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Finishing could be as small as a PC (printed circuit) board the size of a cell phone, being attached to the control panel and only done at the New Jersey HQ. Without the PC board the engine can only be assembled, tested and even run at a predetermined set of test RPM in China but unable to be used in any other way. The engine could then be shipped.
Each use of the Chinese plant's engine test unit would be on line to the HQ in New Jersey giving real time release dates and engine performance per serial number.
Finishing could also be more physical by the engine being checked out for tolerances approval at the Chinese plant, then shipped to the HQ for laying in the highly prized and very unique CSRV shaft.
These are merely examples of controlling the product's uniqueness by keeping the final 'key' parts in the New Jersey HQ.
I have no idea how Coates and Perkowski are to accomplish the finishing but do believe the two have a key that will only fit for the HQ. Without the key, the engine would just be a lump. Trust but verify.
Look forward to more COTE stock buying. IMO
A few stock holders probably much like myself have seen many 'crap sandwiches' and have learned not to partake. I have seen, invested in, and been rewarded by those seemingly 'crap sandwiches' that eschewed by many, were found to be a tidy fortune.
If one has not started a nontraditional or accepted business model and been on board to bring it to fruition such as Univac, Prime Computer, Xerox and similar they would not know or recognize the particularities that set a winner from a loser. Those same successful individuals know when to leave one of those models mentioned or similar, while pocketing that fortune gained.
IMO GC is doing just fine and his PRs are amazing in sorting the real investors from the gimmie crowd.
I will be buying at a bit lower price than it is now but definitely buying. Engines from here or there are to be fitted with CSRV heads, the money is there and Jack Perkowski is in his element, the Chinese need production of engines and the Chinese government and others need the smog lifted.
GC said the 100 engines (or more) from China.......They will be delivered to the Coates headquarters for finishing and shipped........ Please note the word 'finishing' and not the words, placing the heads on the blocks. GC controls the actual key pieces and the electronics that make it work, right here in the USA.
These guys have both the sizzle (J.P.) and the steak (GC) to sell, plus the patents on the technology to keep it theirs. IMO it is a buy.
Apologies to SL and others on terminology.
In the U S Army (artillery) billets were for housing (barracks). Big surprise later in civilian life, machined parts were made from dimensioned blocks (ordered by a size big enough to make the part) of alloys that were called billets. They came in all manner of metals, alloys and shapes from rods to 500 pound (or more) blocks. One would start out by specifying a 12"x6"x24" block of 6061 T6 aluminum to make an engine head, test it and find out another alloy was better.
The work would be done by a machine that had cutting tools similar to a router used by a carpenter to make grooves in wood. Difference being that the machine had a program to do the aiming and cutting instead of the craftsperson. The aiming (positioning) and cutting are run from a computer (C) using the same numbers (Numeric N) the craftsperson would use to Control (C) the different directions of motion and time for each length of cut. Thus CNC... Computer Numerical Control.
Even though performed by a machine with superb repeatability, errors can happen (maybe a lightening storm) prompting a need to Quality Control (QC) the CNC parts. In a big operation this is done with another machine (with hope that the lightening storm did not cause a SNAFU and FUBAR in that machine too). This is done with a CMS (Coordinate Measuring System).
When walking into a shop, it takes only moments for me to size up what takes place with the machines, wear marks indicate whether they are used correctly, operations sheets/plans and the way the operators treat the machines. I have spent over 30 years making a living sizing up inventors, laborers and liars in the Fortune 500 companies down to mom & pop shops.
George Coates is the quintessential inventor that will not be had or stopped by anyone... ever. He will succeed and/or his successor (Gregory). IMO
I will leave SNAFU and FUBAR to you to explain to the non military folks. The first time I heard SNAFU I really laughed but when immediately followed by FUBAR I was literally in stitches.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year IMO too
You have a point. However, all the readers here should understand that the reason a company casts heads for engines is that it is less expensive than CNC machining blank chunks of metal.
In short, GC has been able to produce his own heads in limited supply from billet. He does not need to demonstrate the manufacture of castings. Any company employing a CSRV will be able to factor cost reductions based on cast production heads.
He can ship engines and generator sets today using CNC on billet, rough castings or semi finished castings. Fully finished, QC'd and certified castings are what he wants built to his specifications and that is not even easy for the big auto manufactures. IMO
Yep. Definitely time to start buying shares at .002 or even as low as .0016 if it goes that far again.
A great time for the LONG folks to load up before it takes off. IMO
OK, goodbye.
Am I correct in thinking the shorts are trying like mad now (with all the good news) to cover before totally creamed in CERS rise? That this is the reason the SP is down near the end of Monday's trading at $6.30? Me wonders.
Not really HILARIOUS. Instead, sad that folks want an overnight money grab without understanding both the mechanics and the markets. If the CSRV was ordained by all the ASME wonks to be stellar, it would still literally require an act of USA Congress to make it show up on a vehicle.
The testing is not for the idea. The testing is for creating a production scenario for obscene (good) profits and a totally unfair advantage over Cummins (insert company name) competitors.
In effect, when the actual patent hits the market, no hiccups are to occur any where along the production line or the market stance. The speed of market attack must be quick and hard, in order to command and sustain the lead.
Most of the stock buyers are dimly aware of such cloistered work, painstaking detail and cloaking of a potential blockbuster. I am glad the stock purchasers are falling off the wagon, it is a business model beyond their comprehension. Their loss will teach them well to stick to..... HHhhmmmm, insurance and/or Obama care. IMO
Well put. Spark ignited & diesel start then gas.
That is the sequence for most gas operated gensets.
Special liquid fuel controls & solenoids for startup, software for sensors, new sensors selected, start mix ratio tested, decision for permanent or just start-up use of diesel fuel, software for propane only, start-up diesel pressure for injection rail, pre-lube sequencing prior to start-up, temp & barometric sensor integration for ignition start-up and those are just a few items needed to get a standard gas unit running. All needs to be translated and integrated seamlessly to the CSRV.
Why is diesel used??? Fiction is not reduced by natural gas, therefore diesel is used for cold start-up then reduced and effects why an engine of this type is medium duty. A real improvement if it could become long duty cycle. It might not need the spark ignition either if the CSRV permits a use of high compression ratio!!!! Game changer, royal.
GC is aware of this. It would scare the hell out of a new set of engineers but GC is definitely cool with the task.
Lastly and very big. All of this is being set up for CAD into CAM and into 3D solids plastic and metal printing of parts. How do I know..... because this kind of stuff has been my bread and butter.
Stay long and buy all you can IMO
Do the DD and you will find how wrong you are.
Also, are you the 'brother' replacement?
Strong buy at this price. IMO stay long!!
Cummins downgraded to a sell will be what matters now. $150 down to $96 per share? Whoa!! That tells me that if there is a hook up between Cote and Cummins the pps for COTE may very well go much lower. Time to buy IMO
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/cramers-mad-dash-cmi-downgraded-142200765.html;_ylt=AwrC1Cj6uF1WeF8ArVKTmYlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEzN2RpdDhrBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM0BHZ0aWQDVklEUFJEXzEEc2VjA3Nj
It is not that difficult to believe that GC was here......
http://thestockradio.com/audio-interview-george-coates-ceo-of-coates-international-ltd-2582.html
Amen and staying long too.
Joe, thank you for reminding me to look again at that page. Over the summer a lot of work had taken place. However, more than that, some very interesting elements are on display, that after careful study, are definitely real modifications to the new engine heads for the blocks.
Not only are they modifications but they are of the needed level of fulfillment to complete the engines on the floor correctly.
I am impressed and if the stock price goes down, my holdings will go up.
Everyone should be buying this stock for a long hold and if the price goes down in the meanwhile, I will feed on the non-buyer/holder's ignorance. Fair warning given.... IMO.
Sounds to me as though.... "We are also engaged in producing a limited number of Industrial CSRV Gen Sets, which will incorporate our solution for the cracked heads." are the 10 to 12 generator blocks currently on the floor in order to make room for new production.
Might be a sale that could bring in about $1.5 million.
I wonder if SWT (nearly had a signed agreement with them June 2, 2011 PR) will be back on the 'producer in China' list. http://www.cccme.org.cn/shop/cccme7949/index.aspx
Jinan Diesel could also be on the private list, only Jack and George know for sure. That engine is gorgeous. http://www.jinanengine.com/5-2-gas-engine-32.html
Keep in mind that a private company in China is an oxymoron, just a little bit less crushingly regulated by the centralized government bureaus.
Sounds to me as though GC wants to get those 10 to 12 generator blocks completed and off the floor to make room for the new production.
Might be a sale that could bring in about $1.5 million.
I wonder if SWT (nearly had a signed agreement with them June 2, 2011 PR) will be back on the 'producer in China' list. http://www.cccme.org.cn/shop/cccme7949/index.aspx
Jinan Diesel could also be on the private list, only Jack and George know for sure. That engine is gorgeous. http://www.jinanengine.com/5-2-gas-engine-32.html
Keep in mind that a private company in China is an oxymoron, just a little bit less crushingly regulated by the centralized government bureaus.
This is surely one element of what I want to see.
"The Company is considering filming the progress of this project and posting it on our website."
Just one minute of video for now in two pr releases.
1. Specifically a date/time video of the Cummins 250Kw head coming off the block. 30 seconds.
2. The date/time video of the Coates CSRV system going on. 30 seconds
I too sent a request of info but to the Cummins gen site.
http://hosted.comm100.com/Forum/C1750N5C-Lean-Burn-Gas-Generator-At-AIMEX_t59.aspx?forumId=541&siteid=83404
their answer (at the bottom of their page) has replaced the text of the original post I made. "This post is still under review" has been there for nearly a week. Is the question really that difficult?
This was the question....
Re:C1750N5C Lean Burn Gas Generator At AIMEX [This post is still under review.]
Posted: 11/07/2015 02:25:44
mog
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Does this engine utilize the new Coates Spherical Rotary Valve systems? The new valve designed by Coates seems to negate the use of any oil in the head area where poppet valves and cams/rockers/lifters would normally be located.
The use of a special carbon concave seal allows spherical rotating slotted balls to admit and exhaust the cylinders, thus no oil is needed in the top end. That is a game changer in my humble opinion.
If the CSRV is not used, where is it planned to be used? This is all public information accumulated from business forums and certainly might apply here.
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I sent a picture of the CSRV. It was actually posted on November 6, 2015 at 1145 hrs (AM)
All they might say is.... No. What ever is the problem? Kind of funny. IMO
Thank you for answering my question.
The domestic and foreign patents are clearly displayed on his office wall.
Good DD.
Now, buy and stay long. IMO
HHMMMmmmm..... are you really sure that Coates has absolutely no foreign patents?
floored..
"This one,however, has the potential to be a game changer. One thing eludes me though, Why wouldn't they secure patents outside the US ? "
Something I feel will be very interesting as to what is a relationship.
Please take note of the number 1145, it is a marker only but relevant to what I am trying.
Stay tuned.... this will be fun. Definitely has to do with COTE. IMO
Right? Only hype-pathetically.
Fact is, Coates is a really inexpensive buy-in for those who have discretionary income.
If newbies perform good DD, they will share in a financial bonanza. IMO
Lastly, you write a less than convincing dialog of conflated numbers, loosely handled IMO.
Good letter but may I posit an oversight on my part, in re-reading the Oct 22 PR. Seals and devices are very, very important to the engine's CSRV but there is something inferred in that PR I may have missed.
"It will now be run under full load and data collected after which it will be dismantled. Thereafter, in ---a relatively short time frame---, engineering designs of the CSRV system parts to match the 5.9 liter gen set engine will be developed and manufactured."
This is a functionality test of the time it takes, labor involved, tools required, possible work/assembly cell changes, expertise level needed, work flow analysis, task development and other interrogations into the cost effects of the new assembly changes on the bottom line of production.
In fact, there quite well may be no problems at all with the mechanics, sealing or the ability to change over the blocks to different systems. It could mainly be devised as a test around production methods being REDUCED that will increase the margins on the engines out the door. Those numbers, if excellent and verifiable, will be at least as important as the engine working.
The tests are partly and very importantly 'bean counting'. If the engine works well and is not an item for timely production improvement then the costs are not lowered and there is no gain in profit. How well it runs or eco or economical, is out the window if it is not easier and less costly (PROVEN BY TEST) to build.
And, GC can not talk about that now. In fact, if he did, all kinds of cats would come out of the bag. GC is most probably gagged by his own NDAs and Cummins NDAs on this. IMO
All of the following items you mentioned such as..........
1. The CSRV R&D technology was completed in 2012. (So what's going on now? Most likely, additional testing, tweaking and improvements.)
2. Parts, components and CSRV gen-sets are being produced in the U.S.A. and in China.
3. Prototypes:
3. 150 KW. industrial natural CSRV generator- sets cost of development $14,000,000 6, CSRV V8’s cost to develop $4,000,000 1.35 KW, stand- alone propane generator-set cost to develop $3,500,000. 3.CSRV 1600 cc V twin Coates heavy cruiser motorcycles. Cost to develop $3,000,000. on Assemble line at the Coates headquarters 19, industrial CSRV natural gas generators in the assembly process sale price $135,000 each when completed. . 18 wheeler heavy duty truck
In the process of retrofitting, estimated value when finished $5,000,000
A 1, cylinder CSRV 14 HP engine operating on hydrogen reactor from water.
Cost to develop $1,500,000 A fully equipped machine shop.4 CNC machines 14 milling machines ,5 manual lathes, 9 grinding machines 2 bandsaws,2 heavy duty forklifts, 1. industrial load bank, 7. Lifting cranes, 1, in-ground vehicle dynamotor, 3 chassis dynamotors, Firm orders in place to date $142,000,000
....... seem to be factual and clearly shows there is no loss in your credibitity IN MY OPINION.
Regarding Coates' continued secrecy even after patents, here is a fact.....
QUESTION & FACT from a patent attorney; If I get a patent, does this mean that I am free to build and sell my invention?
Not necessarily. A patent is the right to stop others from making, using or selling your invention. It does not necessarily mean you have the right to make, use or sell it yourself.
Someone else may have a patent which will stop you from making, using, or selling your invention (called a "dominating patent") FACTUAL QUESTION ANSWERED FACTUALLY
One must continue to protect their patent status with resolve, constant follow up, maintenance fees and world wide patents. Secrecy is a must, even more so after the patent is publicly disclosed. There are times when one may be better off waiting in secrecy rather than publicly patenting an idea. IMO
Angkor and Stay long. My vantage point sees both of you clearly posing relevant questions and well articulated, factual and timely answers.
The key is the seal. ANY talk as to the areas near or in contact with that seal will inform a good tribologist of what is in the mixture. At this time, ceramic is one thing and carbon block or carbon-graphite is another very different item.
Ceramics may very well be part of the seal SET along with carbon and also carbon-graphite (alloyed with antimony or other materials for high heat and dry conditions).
Again, if GC talks about the surrounding engine seal neighborhood, then a good metals scientist (tribologist) can start to form an opinion of the matrix of the seal. A patent war or one-upmanship resulting.
In fact, any engine problem he passes out to the public can be reverse engineered through good guesses backed by Computational Flow Dynamics, Thermal Dynamics and related analysis programs to zero in on the seal's uniqueness.
He may be a bit homespun on his PR material but I just rejoice at how he keeps his guard up on the seals nature and attendant solutions/problems.
I doubt very seriously if the generator set he shipped to China has the latest and greatest seal matrix.
Furthermore, I doubt he will place the ultimate seal in the A/B test unit. Just enough to get a good approval and no more. IMO
This Coates International and its price per share is set to rocket. If one does not stay long, the take off will definitely be missed. IMO
WHEW!!! Smoking comment there G-hop. Investing in the product really smokes the 'twit twins'. Stay long. IMO
G-hop, please keep in mind that starting at .014 will be huge when the pps hits .10. If you can afford to hold for a few weeks or months you will have far outdistanced the 'twit twins'.
The market and GC's product are headed to a superb intersection in the near future. IMO
SL thanks for that timely memo. Seems, from what I gleaned from some other posts, that some folks are well versed in 'the speak' but may not have the knowledge needed to understand why the Coates International IS undervalued IMO.
Knowing technical market terms is very impressive to newbies but it is most like bench racers talking crap to new guys at the track. After a few laps the new guys realize the tech talkers are just... talking heads. The fact is that Coates has been making progress towards production fulfillment, however slow one may believe, IMO.
Starting a business, building engines, testing, engineering and producing a car, motorcycle or new engine are perceived as key to understanding the value of Coates. Some folks do not have that capacity and experience, as evidenced by what what gets passed as news by a few. GC has real patents, a fact.
At best, some folks are entertaining and keep other folks out of a market in which those new investors should not be involved. Linking old settled parsed news to today's market is not in keeping with this forum, IMO.
Things are moving along well and GC has a plan for an open house. That is a fact.
Your technical and fiscal appreciation is what powers this forum. I am sure that Animaljive and Mogman are both on the same side of buying and holding Coates.
There is frustration at the speed of things and those who truly do not understand the mechanics and business considerations, make misleading statements based on half truth, bro and tit. IMO
Just to get comparison straight.
GC is doing it correctly. No one can say with certainty whether there is an ISL G or ISL 9 or any other 'version' in the box, until it is unpacked and reviewed by both company engineers and accepted in good condition. Certainly bro and tit do not know what is in the box!!
No engineer working for me or any other place I have ever worked would ever accept a comparison for Cummins on an engine not previously prepared and tested by Cummins with a punch sheet and build specifications of that particular unit attached thereto. The build must meet the deck requirements of the very engine sent.
It is tantamount to writing a check with no written amount, limitations, comma or decimal place. The specification sheets for that particular engine shipped is an actual legal document representing the actual run characteristics and conditions of test..... to be replicated exactly and for that engine.
If bro & tit want to write blank checks to me or others feel free. The last thing I want is the phrase 'close enough' coming out of GC's mouth.
No, engine demonstrations are not allowed to prep ahead and say it is the same or even similar and have me or Cummins accept the findings. In fact the findings will be dismissed out of hand and the attempt will be deemed silly.
The brother and the tit are dead wrong and would never get such demonstration past and engineering review. I do not believe anyone should be in such haste. Buy now and hold LONG IMO
Stay long
That "I am so smart I will anticipate the need" has ruined many a company. Engineering DEMANDS awaiting the actual product. The brother and tit do not understand this and I am surprised you and a few others do not understand that you must have the exact machine in hand... just too many variables to buy a "nearly same unit".
Get real. This is science not a garage project. Just stay long and let those of us that truly know engines and GC make IMO considered judgements of a mechanical nature.
COTE going up to $.05 per share today would make me very happy, as well as it going down to $.0016. Makes no difference to a long holder with discretionary cash. However, taking such a position in investing drives some forum members to bellicose regurgitation of old and parsed disinformation.
I am long on COTE and long on the opportunities this torturous path takes as it wends its way to wealth accumulation. Stay very LONG IMO
YEE Ha!!! Awaiting the magic .003 again (preferably .0016) to scoop up literally millions. Just as I had done before. WOW, can't wait. "Look for me in there too" (Buster Brown).
I had set up all hotel and travel for the last year's open house and I cancelled because of a severe snow storm.
Chances are very good that the weather will be clear and I will be going.
Just to get some background information out.....
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dongfeng Automobile Co., Ltd. (DFAC) is a subsidiary of Dongfeng Motor Co., Ltd. and is 30% publicly held. It makes light trucks and automobiles for the Chinese market. It also makes diesel engines in a 50/50 joint venture with Cummins, Inc. known as Dongfeng Cummins Engine Co. Ltd (DCEC).
Dongfeng Motor Co Ltd has a market cap of 95 billion & Dongfeng Auto is about 21 billion of that (CMI is about 20 billion)
Nobody stateside has the knowledge and background of Jack Perkowski. IMO if you are out of COTE you have a perfect right to cry at the end of October. Enough said. IMO
Amen
Stay long!!!!
Sorry about that..... I seemed to have let the CAT out of the bag.
I meant Cummins not Cat. Thanks for catching my error.
Like Angkor says. I ......"have to keep facts straight, accurate, detailed, and in scope."
HHhhhmmmmmm ....... nope.
Most interesting direction of questioning though.
Staying very long.