Yes and thats what both ASNAP and Birdstep Mobile IP client can do. But none of them can benefit from two signals at same time.

No it can`t use one signal for data and one for voice. But in the future most voice will be VOIP, so this shouldn`t be a problem.

I know perfectly well, BT can work with server solutions from Cisco, Linux, sun or others. They do not need their own server like ASNAP does. BT provides a client with special features, it is baser on embbeded database solution called RDM Mobile and it can probably do a lot more than you think. Key issue: Birdstep don`t provide their own gateway/server and can work with existing solutions. ASNAP is depending on it self and do compete with Sun, Linux and Cisco. Check the net and you`ll probably find out that IPunplugged offers almost the same solution as ASNAP!

That may be, but remember that I am norwegian and that it is not that easy to describe technical terms in an foregin language even though is speak english. Just imagine yourself describing terms in Norwegian? My point is in the end that CLYW is depending on their own hardware and this is not a good selling point when BT can work with most types of equal hardware. I know Ipunplugged have a similar solution to ASNAP and uses a gateway and that is the main reason that they are loosing territory they are moving towards a solution similar to BT beacuse the major players have tested both and found BT`s solution better. Just check for yourself, IPunplugged was travelling around with INTEL on several events in 2002 and early 2003, it stopped beacuse BT had a better solution, now BT is joing INTEL on several events and is even a Intel solutions partner. Why? Beacuse an open architecture like BT is better for reaching a large market without changing allready existing products!

Yes but if ASNAP consist of a server/gateway then they are competing with major companies which probaly will choose a solution which do not compete with them. BT`s solution is without a server/gatewau beacuse it can work with different types of servers/gateway and this is of course a better solution beacuse you won`t be pressured to buy server/gateway when you probably allready have this through Cisco or other companies. ASNAP biggest problem is that some of the technology is competing with major companies, BT don`t beacuse it can cooperate with all gateways/server without additional purchase. In other words ASNAP is a locked solution where you need a gateway/server and also a client(?). The gateway/server is competing with allready existing solutions from Cisco. Why should someone choose ASNAP when the solution pressure people to chance major parts when BT lets you keep allready existing solutions and gives the user a client that can work with most solutions?

Birdsteps main advance to companies like Calypso or other with similar technology, is that Birdstep have en open architecture that can work with different types of infrastructure for instance: Calypso has a server in their package and probably a gateway or somethin similar, the server is then competing with other players (major), birdstep don`t have a server and the client can work with almost anyone. As far as I can see, if Clyw wantstheir technology to work properly they need to spread their technology to almost every player so everyne will have the same solution, or else it won`t work. The Birdstep client don`t have that problem. As far as I can see CLYW client is good among one company and their infrastructure but bad when you`re wanting to change to a different WISP if that WISP isn`t using ASNAP technology (different servers and more). ASNAP solution is quite similar to IPunplugged and Secgo and their struggling beacuse of what I`ve mentioned. Open archtiecture is better for reel seamless roaming. If I explained anything wrong, bad or you`re not sure what I`m talking about, just ask!

Hello, the CLYW investors must understand that you just don`t sign a 500 million dollar contract before you`ve even finished testing. Things just don`t work that way and you don`t use 1 1/2 years for testing when you supposedly have signed a 500 million dollar contract. You will probably never see any real income fra the supposedly 500 million dollar contract with China Telecom. I doubt that someone in China Telecom have even heard of Calypso!

You where almost right. Primzone and BusinessWires ass usual. These kind of PR`s is the ones giving me and idea that there is something wrong with CLYW. If you`re looking for a serious stock issue you should provide better news to engourage new shareholders in the issue and if you actual have a great business plan you shouldn`t press these kind og PR`s beacuse you should have real news and not old news where you mention you`re patent and which companies that could use the technology.

I don`t know in detail how the differences is between the comapnies regarding speed, cost and capacity. But I know that BT are working on a project together with several european companies to find a joint solution that combines hotspots/hotzones here they are talking about how the consumer can save money.

http://oban.prz.tu-berlin.de/

When it comes to capacity they are also working on a compressing solution togther with Orsus Solutions, so i think the compressing part is making up for eventual advantage for CLYW`s part here.

When it comes to 4 I will just have to say that we are talking less that a second where the client are connecting one net and keeping the other, so i don`t know if there exactly is any differnce. espcially in countries like norway where we have on or two big companies that all have GSM/GRPS, UMTS and WLAN nets, so it will be the same operator used many times. Also BT have hotspot software deployed several places and the BT hotspot-sofware will of course be working real good together, so it can be sold as a package to a lot of operators!

My point is that I think CLYW, BT and competitors have the same vision but minor differencies in their solution. ASNAP is probably going to be a bit more expensive than BTMIP beacuse it involves hardware (correct me if I am wrong!). BTMIP is price at 20 dollars today and the price is likely of fall more during the year. Similiar solution to ASNAP (nemotion and Ipunplugged) are pricing at 80 dollars.

I`m sorry but these PR`s are really just making things worse for the company. It`s the fourth or fifth equal PR, don`t they have anything new?

Birdstep Mobile IP Client is software en can enter the phone bye being installed on the actual phone, through SIM-card or by being downloaded from the net or USB/CD for Laptop or PDA. As far as I can see Smartphones has nothing to do with ASNAP. Smartphones are allready in the market and this is without ASNAP or any similar technology. The client is OS depending and works on most Windows OS today, they are working on others such as Symbian, Linux and Palm. Symbian is expected to be ready in second half of 2004.

Well, How can i explain that somethin i can`t see is there? Well CLYW is depending on hardware as well , right? Birdstep can rely on existing hardware future. CLYW don`t provide anythin extra by speed or faster handover so i don`t see the advantage. The onlye thin i see is that CLYW is depending solution which Birdstep can find in allready existing software. I do see that a lot of things CLYW has bragged about is not special compared to allready existing competition from Birdstep and others. The Birdstep Client can do almost the same thing as ASNAP except for a few minor details. The only main thing CLYW can do is voice roaming, but that is not a problem today and VOIP work for Birdstep as well.

same here. around 50 000 is correct and the share price 1,85. That changes thing a bit (I mean beacuse of the volume part)

Yeah but this is a scenario which people are seeing. Roampoint and several cross usage roaming agreements are expected in the coming years and it would be better for all if there were solutions that could make usage between different nets and providers mor common. I don`t see CLYW having any advantage here!

Maybe you`re right. My update says 1,97 and 250 000 in volume by 9.31. Yeah, sorry it seems your volume was right after all!

sorry i don`t have realtime for CLYW. I only have with 15 minutes delay, sorry!

Its fridays volume!

Yes, but the point is that the other connection will stil be present and manage the usages while the signal changes, so there won`t be any downtime.

This is not an Old PR it is from today http://www.symbianone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=373

My point is that CLYW management are telling half truths when they are talking about BT Client and its usage. This article amongst others deffinetly proves that the client can create proper "seamless roaming" together with other companies software. I find it strange that CLYW-George are saying something that some of you CLYW investors probably believe, when this article certainly says something else. Mye point is that I don`t think you should believe the CLYW-mangement when there are several indicies that there is something wrong here.

Then I`m talking about:

-small knowledge of competitive landscape
-144 filings that may indicate innsiders selling
-unrealistic China contract
-half-truths in PR
-mass production of same PR
-to much usage of big names without direct involvment
-a lot of cash needed for operation none availabe
-delay of product shipment

I`ll have to break my promise again. Mobile IP solution has three key elements, two of them are usually in allready existing infrastructure, Home agent and foreign Agent. Birdstep has the thir element: The client. I`m not that familiar with the OSI layers but I think the Birdstep Client has to do with the second or third layer, I can check and confirm later. Here is an article from today that proves mye earlier point that the client can "react" to either price, signal strenght or speed and off course this means that the Birdstep Mobile IP Client can save the user a lot of money which CLYW almost says the Client won`t. I think this also proves that the statement from CLYW-George is wrong. This is full seamless roaming. Read and enjoy:

"Birdstep’s Mobile IP client is a solution to this problem.

The Mobile IP client is one of three main elements in a mobile IP solution. The elements are:

the home agent, which manages the information from the application servers to the client, and usually resides at the home network.
the foreign agent (not a necessary component, but a very helpful element for seamless mobility) which resides on the foreign networks, and negotiates the connection and communication to the home agent while mobile.
the Mobile IP client, residing on the device, which selects and switches between networks.

The home and foreign agents are part of the existing network infrastructure which is why, according to Stefano Holguin, VP Marketing at Birdstep Technology ASA, "we work closely with network vendors such as Cisco, Nortel, Alcatel and others to make sure that our Mobile IP client works with their infrastructure components."

The Mobile IP client therefore is responsible for finding the optimal network to connect to. Within this role the Birdstep Mobile IP client also looks after security issues. "A customer may want to use SIM authentication and then protect traffic with a VPN," says Stefano. "The Birdstep client makes sure that, as the user moves from one network to another, the security elements move with them, so the user does not need to re-authenticate as the VPN tunnel moves from GPRS to CDMA or wireless LAN."

"The goal of our client is that the user should be able to work without needing to consider the available networks, the system will find the best, whether that be the fastest or the cheapest or the best signal," says Stefano. "Then as the user moves they are switched transparently between the networks."

However while seamless connectivity may be highly desirable the ability to modify application functionality based on the capabilities of the connected network is also a valuable tool. "Imagine a user taking part in a conference call, they are in a hotspot and have video access," says Stefano. "Now the user moves out of the Hotspot into an area where they have less bandwidth, say on a GPRS connection. They would want to stay on the voice call but would be happy to drop video to keep their access. Our Mobile IP client provides the necessary information for developers to build applications which make these intelligent decisions." This is achieved through an open API supplied with the Mobile IP client that allows third party developers to access information on network connectivity and network attributes such as speed, signal strength and costs.

This technology is however not yet available on Symbian OS, but Birdstep’s announcement that they are opening a technology site in Cambridge focusing on Symbian OS deployment means it will be available soon. Birdstep are looking at three distribution channels, operators, handset manufacturers and Symbian. "Our Mobile IP technology could easily be added as an aftermarket addition, by an Operator who wants to offer an additional mobility service to their customers," says Stefano. "But our focus at present with the Symbian initiative is on the handset manufacturers." Even so it is operators and enterprise users who are currently most familiar with the technology. Birdstep’s technology has been available though its infrastructure partners for some time and as a result there have been numerous trials based on laptop and PDA deployments. The majority of current commercial deployments are within the enterprise where the Mobile IP client has been found to address some of the issues encountered in moving from LAN to WLAN. "A number of operators also test our technology in house with their own staff," says Stefano. "As a precursor, we think, to offering it to their enterprise customers."

The reason for moving the technology to Symbian OS is based on the way Birdstep believe users, particularly enterprise users, will be deploying mobile technology. "We believe that the enterprise user will use the laptop as their workhorse and compliment it with a smart phone not a PDA," says Stefano. "As the PDAs simply has not proved itself as the complementary device. And Symbian OS is clearly the predominant smart phone platform."

Stefano expects that the Cambridge office will be staffed with its initial complement of four technical staff by June with additional support and business development staff joining later as the technology nears deployment. When we see Birdstep’s Mobile IP client deployed will depend largely on the availability of devices to run it. Several devices, along with the Nokia 9500, with multiple network support are due for release before the end of this year."

Web: www.birdstep.com

Birdstep brings Mobile IP client to Symbian OS
Written by Richard Bloor

Monday, 24 May 2004
Birdstep announced in April that it was opening a new technology centre in Cambridge, UK, to support the development of its Mobile IP solution for Symbian OS. Mobile IP clients have been aiding enterprise to cope with a mixed environment of LAN and WLAN, but what does it mean for smart phones?
The Nokia 9500 enterprise device is one of the first but there will be more. We are talking about smart phones which have both high speed wide area wireless, GPRS and EDGE in the case of the Nokia 9500, and wireless LAN access (IEEE 802.11b or WiFi). The challenge with these devices is how to seamlessly or intelligently make the optimal or best use of the available networks.

Birdstep’s Mobile IP client is a solution to this problem.

The Mobile IP client is one of three main elements in a mobile IP solution. The elements are:

the home agent, which manages the information from the application servers to the client, and usually resides at the home network.
the foreign agent (not a necessary component, but a very helpful element for seamless mobility) which resides on the foreign networks, and negotiates the connection and communication to the home agent while mobile.
the Mobile IP client, residing on the device, which selects and switches between networks.

The home and foreign agents are part of the existing network infrastructure which is why, according to Stefano Holguin, VP Marketing at Birdstep Technology ASA, "we work closely with network vendors such as Cisco, Nortel, Alcatel and others to make sure that our Mobile IP client works with their infrastructure components."

The Mobile IP client therefore is responsible for finding the optimal network to connect to. Within this role the Birdstep Mobile IP client also looks after security issues. "A customer may want to use SIM authentication and then protect traffic with a VPN," says Stefano. "The Birdstep client makes sure that, as the user moves from one network to another, the security elements move with them, so the user does not need to re-authenticate as the VPN tunnel moves from GPRS to CDMA or wireless LAN."

"The goal of our client is that the user should be able to work without needing to consider the available networks, the system will find the best, whether that be the fastest or the cheapest or the best signal," says Stefano. "Then as the user moves they are switched transparently between the networks."

However while seamless connectivity may be highly desirable the ability to modify application functionality based on the capabilities of the connected network is also a valuable tool. "Imagine a user taking part in a conference call, they are in a hotspot and have video access," says Stefano. "Now the user moves out of the Hotspot into an area where they have less bandwidth, say on a GPRS connection. They would want to stay on the voice call but would be happy to drop video to keep their access. Our Mobile IP client provides the necessary information for developers to build applications which make these intelligent decisions." This is achieved through an open API supplied with the Mobile IP client that allows third party developers to access information on network connectivity and network attributes such as speed, signal strength and costs.

This technology is however not yet available on Symbian OS, but Birdstep’s announcement that they are opening a technology site in Cambridge focusing on Symbian OS deployment means it will be available soon. Birdstep are looking at three distribution channels, operators, handset manufacturers and Symbian. "Our Mobile IP technology could easily be added as an aftermarket addition, by an Operator who wants to offer an additional mobility service to their customers," says Stefano. "But our focus at present with the Symbian initiative is on the handset manufacturers." Even so it is operators and enterprise users who are currently most familiar with the technology. Birdstep’s technology has been available though its infrastructure partners for some time and as a result there have been numerous trials based on laptop and PDA deployments. The majority of current commercial deployments are within the enterprise where the Mobile IP client has been found to address some of the issues encountered in moving from LAN to WLAN. "A number of operators also test our technology in house with their own staff," says Stefano. "As a precursor, we think, to offering it to their enterprise customers."

The reason for moving the technology to Symbian OS is based on the way Birdstep believe users, particularly enterprise users, will be deploying mobile technology. "We believe that the enterprise user will use the laptop as their workhorse and compliment it with a smart phone not a PDA," says Stefano. "As the PDAs simply has not proved itself as the complementary device. And Symbian OS is clearly the predominant smart phone platform."

Stefano expects that the Cambridge office will be staffed with its initial complement of four technical staff by June with additional support and business development staff joining later as the technology nears deployment. When we see Birdstep’s Mobile IP client deployed will depend largely on the availability of devices to run it. Several devices, along with the Nokia 9500, with multiple network support are due for release before the end of this year.

Web: www.birdstep.com

Sorry to break my promise, but this is cut and paste so I`ll hope you`ll excuse me. Mobile IP is one thing, that is a terminologi but companies which have an Mobile IP has additional technology. The Client is just called Mobile IP Client, that dosen`t mean its the same usage as Mobile IP from the dictonary. The additional software such companies sometimes are deepending on is in most cases allready installed, for example by Cisco. Thats why Cisco are cooperating with theses kind companies, beacuse they don`t interfere with existing software or infrastructur. The company also don`t need any additional hardware which a lot of other companies need. And they also provide hotspot-software so they`re software are on both sides of the table so they can be providing the best usage.

"

Purpose

Birdstep Intelligent Mobile IP software is fundamental to our vision of providing user-friendly, secure service availability independent of time, place, and type of infrastructure.

Our solution draws on extensive experience in network and communications research and development and Mobile IP technologies.

With the Birdstep Intelligent Mobile IP Client, users and applications are seamlessly connected and reconnected across different types of network infrastructure without application or user intervention. Awareness on the presence of a secure or open network triggers VPN connections only when needed.


Functionality

Universal and Standard operation mode
The Universal operation modus targets enterprise users that need flexibility and security while roaming. If you use Virtual Private Network (VPN) software for secure access to private resources (a company intranet, for example), the client automatically enables and disables the VPN software according to whether you are "at home" in a secure environment or "away", using the public network. This unique feature allows you to even cross your security firewall boundary without disrupting application sessions. The Standard operation modus targets public users, or small enterprise users. It operates with either an always on or always off VPN connection.



Interoperates with existing VPN solution
Birdstep Intelligent Mobile IP leverages on the continued development of security mechanisms such as IPSEC. VPN interoperability makes it possible to establish secure VPNs together with the Mobile IP service, allowing companies to leverage existing investments in VPN solutions and make them available in the mobile space. VPN interoperability accommodates both split and full-tunneling security policies. VPNs that use virtual VPN adapters are also supported. The VPN interoperability includes both integrated and stand-alone personal firewall solutions.



NAT traversal support
The Mobile IP Client supports UDP based NAT traversal as described in the IETF draft. The client, together with the Mobile IP Agent, determine if UDP NAT traversal is required as a part of the registration sequence. In addition to supporting the IETF draft, the Mobile IP Client works with Cisco’s support for NAT traversal.



Network context awareness
The Client collects network context data during operation and stores it in a history database. It then exploits this information to optimize and speed up decision-making when it revisits known environments. The use of historical data is invisible to the user except from written to the event log. The Client is also aware of insecure and secure networks and is able to trigger the VPN client or turn it off accordingly .



Seamless handover
Birdstep Intelligent Mobile IP provides seamless handover with no user intervention between infrastructures such as LAN, WLANs and cellular networks, thus integrating two different radio technologies. The PPP dial-up support includes technologies such as PSTN/ISDN, GSM/ GPRS, CDMA2000, PPPoE software used for ADSL connections, and also Bluetooth. The solution is only dependent on terminal support for the necessary network interfaces.



Open and Portable Architecture
Birdstep Intelligent Mobile IP is designed as an open solution. It is compliant with the latest specifications from IETF and interoperates with solutions from leading back-end infrastructure providers such as Cisco, HP and Sun, and VPN solutions from vendors such as CheckPoint, Cisco, Nortel, Microsoft and others.



Remote Client configuration
The Mobile IP client now incorporates a remote configuration option enabling users to download all or parts of a configuration from a central location. The system administrator responsible for setting up the configuration server can also control access to it. The remote configuration option is based on standard web server technology. The Mobile IP client can either be pre-configured with the URL of a particular configuration server, or else prompt the user for a configuration server URL. Downloaded configurations include their source URL so that they can be "refreshed" periodically if the central configuration is updated. Downloaded configurations can be set to refresh themselves automatically by setting an expiry field.


Performance Monitoring
Performance monitoring allows the Birdstep Intelligent Mobile IP client to take informed handover decisions based on a detailed performance overview.



Security and Authentication
The Birdstep Intelligent Mobile IP Client has several options to authenticate the mobile user and protect the mobile IP signaling messages. The following security associations are supported in any combinations: mobile node <-> home agent, mobile node <-> foreign agent, and mobile node <-> AAA infrastructure. For replay protection, both challenge-response authentication as well as time-stamp protection is supported. Authentication of mobile users can further be tailored to meet the particular requirements of the administrative domain to which the user belongs. This is accomplished by replacing any of the default authentication modules (keyed-MD5, HMAC-MD5) with any module that is pertinent to the actual domain. In addition, Birdstep Intelligent Mobile IP interfaces with existing security components in the targeted platforms, and leverages the continued development of security mechanisms such as IPSEC on some platforms. These security mechanisms makes it possible to establish secure Virtual Private Networks (VPN) that offer Mobile IP services.

Smart Web Access Detection
This feature automates access to DSL services and IP zones (or "wireless hotspots") that use HTTP-based authentication schemes. It keeps the session alive while providing the opportunity to enter your credentials to the hotspot that does not support a Mobile IP Foreign Agent. Once authenticated the handover occurs.



Multi-user installation configuration
Support for multi-user installation configuration on a single machine. Three levels of user access supported; advanced, intermediate and novice. Advanced users have full access to the local configuration. Intermediate and novice users have only limited access to the local configuration and are expected to download predefined configurations from a central location.


Reverse Tunneling
Enables the foreign network to enforce strict ingress filtering rules in routers and firewalls.



Network Access Identifiers
Birdstep Intelligent Mobile IP supports the use of Network Access Identifiers to make administration of Mobile IP services simpler and more cost-efficient.

Environments Supported
Interoperability with Cisco IOS Home Agent and Foreign Agent (HA/FA), Sun HA/FA server, and Linux HA/FA implementations compliant with IETF Mobile IP specifications.

Platform Support
- Windows 2000
- Windows XP
- Pocket PC 2002
- Symbian (Note: Platform considered for future release.)"

I wanted to stop talking about the company, but as you saying its quite difficult when other people here discuss the company and I don`t think I`m lying when I`m saying I know the company and their technology better than anyone else on this board, so when I hear that the management from CLYW are talking about things they haven`t checked then I have to discuss the company. But I`ve stopped using the word, so i won`t advertise for the company. But it`s quite funny to se other people continue to discuss the company, maybe they`re not so calm after all?

I can confirm this. A lot of roaming technology has been use on GSM roaming for voice, this works today. Mobile IP has also been used a long time before but for other purposes. I seriously thin the CLYW management has done a really poor job by checking the competitive landscape. You can search for seamless roaming on google and see which to companies you that have adds in the right corner, but of them are CLYW competitors and both offer seamless roaming.

I think the CLYW management generally has NO idea of how the competitive landscape is and who they`re competitors his. It`s quite strange to see a CEO talk the much wrong of a competitor and i would bet quite a large sum of money on that he don`t know the name of any other competitors. I think CLYW should hire a man to investigate the competitive landscape, specially if they intend a lawsuit, since it seems quite clear that they have NO idea of who the competitors are and which ones that they probably need to sue if they`re gonna deffend their patent.

I can add that the norwegian comapny mentioned can identifie and authenticates the user to both the Carrier and ISP. It is not problem the norwgian company also provides software to a number of WISP including Vodafone so their software is on both sides of the table. I find it strange that George gives such a loose and wrong comment about a competitor that alleready have agreements with major players. They have proved that they can hook the major players allready so what this George fellow is saying is allready proven wron. Have he even bothered to check the norwgian companies website to check out what they`re doing and who they have signed up with? It doesn`t seem like that.

"For example, the user is a T-Mobile client, he roams into a hot-spot, he is immediately identified as a T-Mobile client and the recognized by the ISP, the ISP logs the services and time the user spent on Wi-Fi and shares the revenue with T-Mobile. Just seamless roaming isn’t gonna cut it. Don’t you think a US Carrier or ISP would be anxious to have a license agreement with them? Of course if they did attempt this, it would be a patent infringement. We’re not concerned about Birdstep."

This is exaclty what the norwgian company does and they`ve been working on this since 1996 so if George is true to his words than this is a patent infrigement and the norwegian company and CLYW will see each other in court.

So as far as i can see the first question was answered WRONGLY and believe me I know this norwegian company much better than your George. Check out there homepage and read for yourselves it is not that difficult to find information that prove hime wrong, once again.

I`m sorry to talk about this norwegian company, but I just reacted to the answer George gave beacuse it is wrong. Ann nice going with the E-Mail doe beacuse i think we can be assured that Leon is still there.

Yes there is Lord Ship. But hotspots should be free or almost free. There should at least be free conection. I think the problem with Cometa was they`re business modell and they didn`t live up to the high expectation. Other companies like Wayport and T--Mobile has had more sucess. There will be room for lots of hotspots but the price must be lower and there must be more roaming agreements and ways of handling usage of different types of net. there should be a possibilty to have one price for all nets. Take a look at Intels Roampoint solution, this will help hotspot usage in many ways. In first travelers and business people are the market for seamless roaming but since there are and will be a lot of different nets, there is need also for the normal man with a laptop or a smartphone.

Sorry about that, but i don`t have that option and I don`t want any personal discussion. I want to discuss CLYW as well. I think the share could drop more if there aren`t any new real news. The chart looks a bit like a head and shoulder formation and if there aren`t any news next week and innsiders sell, then i think there is room for bigger fall, based on ta. If it falls below 1,90 today I think there will be room for a fall maybe as far down as 1,50-1,6.

Or go team are you a cheerleader?

The stock market is about money. Loose as little as possible when you loose and earn as much as possible when you win. I play by the rules and don`t con anyone. But I do try to sell high and by low, but low and high is different in different peoples eyes. At the moment I think CLYW is a dangerous share, but may think otherwise. But when did an opinoin and a view on something become con? Thats where a think you WAY out of line. No one on this board has done anythin here that has anything to do with coning people. I`m sorry that you turned this into a personal debate and i hope it will be possible to discuss CLYW and not me or you in the future, ok? From now one I will no answer you when you focus on person, just like i stopped talking about you know who. And i hope you`ll stop you insulting beacuse it`s quite childish and don`t lead to anything but you making a fool of yourself!

Why don`t you throw in Lord Ship and Suga... at the same time? Actually, every single post on this board that is not 100% pro CLYW is done by one single person. There is just one totally cynical person that actually got some doubts about CLYW. That person must be totally crazy to actually raise question to a company valued at over 200 million dollars with almost no cash and no income and is a pink-sheet company. How dare i raise so many stupid questions and act as I am 4-5 different persons???? Or maybe there actually is several independant persons that have som doubts about CLYW? I don`t know, you figure it out so well yourself!

What I find strange is that the minute i stopped talking about You know who, everybody else started to talk about them. I also find it strange that people actually are talking about lawsuits, I know that there a lot of lawsuits in America, but seriously, you can`t sue anyone for talking about an actual document? I also want to add that if INST supposedly have seen the bigger picture then to big picture most be quite narrow, beacuse he gets mad if someone even asks questions about anything concerning CLYW. I think a lot of people on this board is way to overprotective when it comes to CLYW and questions asked!

I understand perfectly! But there is something called proper IR (Investor Realtions) and by providing sensitive information only to minor part of the investors, I don`t think they are maintaing such a IR. They are obviously not forced by law to send out a statement but it wouldn`t hurt or cost much effort either. But as I have said before I can see reasons to why they don`t need/want to send out a statement. But if someone on this board have gotten information that others also have asked for then they are obviusly not treating their shareholders the same way. Several people here have said that they sent an e-mail yesterday only Final4 claim to have gotten an answer!

Well If you actually read my posts you`ll see that I haven`t mentioned that company since I was asked to stop talking about it. When it comes to the other stuff, we are here to discuss CLYW, not me and I am foreign.

A lawsuit? why and against whom?

"The only PR the company will make RE what has transpired
over the past several days is a lawsuit in response to the
character attack that has been heretofore perpetrated."

I hold various stocks, some American, some Swedish and some Norwegian. You can continue with a personal attack but it won`t help you. This is a stock Board and I`m as you talking about Calypso Wireless which I at the moment have no shares in. I haven`t done anything the last couple of days except talking about CLYW and the Leon case. When it comes to the company you mention I have after a request from people here stopped talking about that company on this board and I haven`t mentioned it here and won`t do that in the future either in respect of the people on the board. You brought it up this time, not me.

I think it`s very childish to blame Nlightn for anything, they can blame me, hehe. No seriously I think companies that isn`t listed should be really careful with the information flow and related issues. In Norway we also have a similar arrangement to the pinks and there is a lot of rumours that can send the share up and down 40-50 in a week. I think CLYW looks the same, they should be really careful if the share actually reacted down 15% beacuse of a document that was discussed on a board. I really don`t think the document was the reason for the complete fall I think technical issues and other news may have been affecting the share as well. And again i think highly of beacuse you take a discussion without turning around and bashing the opposite side. And there is absolutly NO reason to blame Nlighnt for anything at all. He found a real document and people made up their on mind about the document!

No, I see your point and think higly of you beacuse you actually answer with common sense and not like INVST.

When it comes to the issue discussed on this board I think they should either talk to everyone or no one. But I also understand that if this is regarded as an non-issue for CLYW (That means Leon is there and has been there the whole time) than they will not see any point of sending out an press realese. But on the other side if they have gotten several similiar e-mail i think the should go public with a statement to calm the market. Thats what the no-no company did when a lot of us where asking about what they had to say about the CLYW patent. I am quite sceptical to CLYW and I honestly think that there is something wrong here, but I also come out a bit to aggresive beacuse thats the way we are used to creating debates in Norway. You are one of the few that actually is calm enough to sit down write som good arguments without calling me names or becoming to aggresive. Thats probably the problem with companies like CLYW, a LOT of the investors don`t know enough about the company and the technology and when confronted they become deffensive and aggresive, that scares me. I think for the share that it will rise on lower volume than yesterday and that most of the affect og the Leon case is gone. And most likely there is no problem with Loen and CLYW, but i still think its a strange way to deal with resignation from one job. Why isn`t there any document of him being hired for the new position? And once again, full honour for you for being calm and clever, the best way to deal with negativ arguments is to answer the with common sense!

Who is talking about dictate? I asked you if you found this on ragingbull, beacuse I saw a similar post there yesterday and since there is no PR today I believe your post is unoffical, right? Is it so scary to be asked questions?

This isn`t any offical statement. You found this on ragingbull right? I heven`t seen any offical statement and I think they should be careful sharing sensitive information to a small group of people. They should let the complete market have the same info!

So they can confirm that Leon is still there, Nlightns document indicate that he is not. Proper investor realtionship is to clear away uncertain issues. Clyw has printed out numerous of BS PR`s so why not send out a PR to clear this mess up?

woaw! What are you talking about? There has been now lie and nlightn has done nothin wrong are you so afraid of anythin being wrong with CLYW that you blame Nlightn for it? Nlightn has done nothing expect talking about a real document that he found and the company has not sent out any Press realese confirming that our speculation was wrong. We`ll have to wait and see, but can you please stop this personal attacks they are quite embarrasing for you!