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I was kidding about the ground floor being zero, but looks like that's where we're headed.
I wonder if the whole DLA thing is just a "bait and switch" scam?
The DLA has always said it is going to look for alternative methods of authentication. What if the DLA mandate was/is just a smoke and mirrors ploy to draw as many suckers, sorry, I mean taxpayers, in to the stock as possible, and pretty soon word comes out that the DLA has found a different authentication means that is better than APDN, and APDN states that it is unable to meet expenses due to the ramp up to meet the DLA demand which is now nonexistent? APDN - "Sorry folks...we tried. Thanks for your money though. We were so close to making it too, but we guess it just wasn't in the cards. Did we say thanks for your money? Because if not, then thanks for your money. Have a nice day."
Dr. Hayward has been getting rewarded nicely lately for his time and "efforts". Wouldn't be any skin off his nose if APDN closed up shop.
Look at the number of investors from last year compared to now...
From 2011 Annual Financials - "Holders As of December 8, 2011, we had approximately 700 holders of our common stock."
From the 2012 Annual Financials - Holders As of December 20, 2012, we had approximately 5,245 holders of our common stock.
So that's about 4,500 more people who have put money down on APDN than there were before. It will be interesting to see if APDN settles down for another couple of years until they are ready to start the cycle over again, (meaning share price drops even further and stays there...) or if this company is really going to end up doing anything positive for its shareholders in the not-so-distant future.
As the Clash are famous for saying..."should I stay or should I go now?"
seems to always be just a few more people looking to sell than there are looking to buy.
So at least it's a controlled burn, and not a raging inferno.
Yet....
Oh why oh why did I have to be born an idiot taxpayer!!! lol
I think all the people who know what is really happening or going to happen with APDN want us to hold tight, so they can continue to dump their shares before the mass exodus starts.
At least that's how it appears.
Thankfully we know it can't go any lower than zero, which isn't that far away (and getting closer).
Bright side...if nothing else, we can all use this as a tax deduction on next year's taxes.
APDN - What ARE you up to?
Why do I get the feeling that APDN is related to the Wicked Witch of the West and someone threw water on it recently?
Oh...uhhhhmmmm....uhhhhh....well, it was a rhetorical question. I didn't expect an answer. LOL
Sorry to hear, but look on the bright side - if APDN's DermalRx™ HydroSeal is still an ongoing project, one of these days real soon your skin could be moist again!
APDN - Where has your underwear been?
Hi sunny...I've been away from the computer again (it's my stinkin' job's fault as always...grrrr).
I wish I would have gotten this idea to you before the stockholder's meeting so you could have shared it, (which btw - thank you for posting all the comments about it. Sounds like things are happening.), but maybe we can still pitch the follwing idea to APDN at some point. Who knows, maybe they are exploring this sales channel already!
Anyway...I was thinking about the cost, the poor sales, etc., and was pondering that maybe APDN should partner up with the Girl Scouts of America. They have a huge sales force already in place. They have name recognition. It's a good cause, etc.
Besides, those kids are relentless sellers. I get accosted by them on my way in to grocery stores, AND on my way out by multiple miniature sales people.
"Excuse me sir. Would you like to buy some cookies?" "Excuse me sir. Would you like to buy some cookies?" "Excuse me sir. Would you like to buy some cookies?" "Excuse me sir. Would you like to buy some cookies?"
How nice it would be to one day hear..."Excuse me sir. Would you like to buy some cookies? No? Well how about a home security marking kit that utilizes a unique botanical dna taggant made just for you!?"
APDN - Time to hit the streets!
Whether for security reasons, or something else, I still think they aren't being forthcoming about true sales figures/revenues.
The DLA mandate has provided the validation and government backing of the company and it's technology, but it obviously hasn't produced the big bucks people were thinking it would, which I would guess is why we're floating at the price we are now after the last financials...
...but DLA mandate or no DLA mandate, where are revenues from cash in transit, documents and packaging, electronics, government, law enforcement, textiles and apparel, luxury goods, etc????
(oh! If only botanical dna sales were as easy as traversing the Geiko website so that even a caveman could do it! lol)
funny you should mention sales people sunny...
I was just thinking the other day that the APDN folks probably couldn't even sell an umbrella during a downpour. <grin>
"Umbrellas! Get your Umbrellas here! Come on in out of the storm folks...get your one of a kind umbrella right here. Only $50,000.00 for this unique protective device. Step right up. Don't be shy. Umbrellas! Get your umbrellas here!"
At least, that's how it appears anyway.
OK...will do wishful.
Whether I make money or lose money on APDN, I will still be moving down by the river pretty soon. What is yet to be determined is if I will be living in a broken down van or a nice RV.
I see myself living in a van down by the river if the share price continues to sink lower. ;-P
I will probably be fairly nomadic, but if anyone wants to join me let me know as I will have a guest tent available complete with blow up mattress and sleeping bag. lol
Market in general is up very nice today, but APDN's share price continues to slowly drop down through the optimism like a hot air balloon coming in for a landing...
I totally hope they don't hit a power line as they drift lower and lower.
Well in that case it would be nice.
But I would think they would call it net income then, not revenue.
In any case...as time moves on, we shall see.
Please help me understand how $2 million in revenue would be "NICE" Ms. johnsyn.
Revenue of $2,000,000.00 less estimated expenses of $10,759,312.00 = a loss of $8,759,312.00
and that's assuming expenses don't go up each quarter from the $2,689,828.00 in expenses they had last quarter. Which based on past history their expenses will go up each quarter if they continue to add personnel and office space.
My guess is if they have $2,000,000 in revenue, it will still translate into an approximate $10,000,000 loss for the year.
Thanks for the comments wishful...
As I always say...I don't know what's what about nuthin. I just like to guess. The only thing I'm sure of that I know is far fetched is my imagination. lol
Have a good night all!
I have not heard about fake walnuts. That's crazy.
Closest thing to that I've heard about is neuticles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuticles
If I ever get some for my pet, I hope they aren't fake and made of concrete.
Here's another good article about augmented reality that talks about QR codes, apps, etc. Everything APDN has in the works since last year when this AR technology was taking off.
http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/gadgets-electronics/blogs/augmented-reality-barcodes-on-steroids
Imagine wearing a pair of goggles, or what would actually look like fashionable eyeglasses, as you browse the grocery aisles, and because you have the APDN track and trace app, you can see where items came from, when they arrived at the store, if they are past their expiration date, etc.
Or, if you don't look good in glasses, you just get yourself a pair of AR contacts.
Huge stuff!
I think we are on the cusp of the next big thing (like television was, or the microwave oven), and APDN is a part of it.
And I'm not saying it's all associated with an evil plot of some type. Like any technology, it can be used for good or evil. It just depends on who is using it and how.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=virtual-reality-contact-l
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/10/3863550/innovega-augmented-reality-glasses-contacts-hands-on
http://readwrite.com/2012/09/12/augmented-reality-contacts-vs-google-glasses
lol Watch out Hamburglars of the world!!!
Personally, based on all the info out there, and how long APDN and their competitors have been around, I'm thinking the use of botanical or synthetic dna (and other "taggants") is probably way more prevalent globally than even any of us suspect.
What I would guess is happening now with the DLA and APDN is the "reverse engineering" of the approval of dna's usage as a track and trace marker.
I remember reading that article.
And I think that's why we are all so excited about APDN and it's technology, because it can be used to track and trace literally everything on this planet. Whether its ore from the ground, or a silver necklace given to you from a grandparent.
I know we are all impatient for this company and its technology to take off, (especially me...), but I think APDN is taking it slow mainly because of the overall ramifications their products would have on our society. Especially with the government's involvement and the aspect of invading personal privacy, etc.
Keep in mind...if you're invited in, it's not invading. That holds true whether you are the government, or a vampire. If the public asks that medicines, foods, Gucci bags, etc. be marked so we know we aren't poisoning ourselves or getting ripped off, then we have no one else to blame except ourselves when we find out the government can use that same technology for its benefit and even our detriment if it so decides.
Anything large being built has to have a good foundation for it to be built upon, or else it will inevitably come tumbling down. APDN is no exception. Once the foundation is done, and the actual building begins, stand back cause its gonna go up fast! IMO
nice find wishful...
looks like she moved up rather than just moved out.
But it is a good reminder to keep an eye on who is coming and going at APDN right now.
It all makes sense now...
(Note: Everything below is pure speculation on my part.)
The government/military isn't interested in botanical dna as a means to track and trace counterfeit microchips, pharmaceuticals, textiles, etc. for it's citizen's safety. (That would explain all the hype about the counterfeit problem, but very little mention of all the corrective applications available.)
The government/military is interested in botanical dna as a means to track and trace it's citizens because of its forensic nature and it's admissibility in a court of law.
Hypothetical scenario...
Mr. Smith is fed up with the latest federal tax increases and his rising healthcare costs, so he goes to an anti-Obama rally downtown to voice his opinion.
While there, a drone flies unseen overhead and sprays the protesters with an invisible botanical dna "taggant". Invisible to the naked eye, but not to law enforcement's augmented reality goggles, which can see it as plain as a huge mustard stain on a white shirt.
A few days later, the police show up on Mr. Smith's door, and tell him he is under arrest for protesting against the president of the United States, which is now considered an act of terrorism. (If you aren't with them, you're against them...)
Mr. Smith thinks quickly about an alibi that the officers couldn't disprove, and claims he was home all day watching his VHS collection of "I Love Lucy" reruns on that particular day, so he couldn't have been there at the rally.
The police have their AR goggles on and can already see the taggant in splotches on Mr. Smith's face and neck, but they hold up a reader (iPhone) to Mr. Smith's face, press a button, and then show Mr. Smith they have a confirmed match showing that the taggant present on his person is the same one that was sprayed on the rally crowd that day as it has the date, time, and location where the rally took place. Mr. Smith knows his fate at this point, and goes willingly with the officers.
APDN - It's not about counterfeits, its about control.
Now how's THAT for a conspiracy theory johnsyn? LOL
yes indeed....hold on to your shares boys and girls, the internet of things is about to take off, with APDN at the helm. IMO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_Things
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2013/02/08/the-internet-of-things-isnt-as-new-as-it-seems/
"Connectivity is king
Many people are talking “what if” scenarios for areas as diverse as connected food, healthcare, gun tracking and home appliances, but if there’s no connectivity, there’s no “what if.” This is why I believe smart application providers and enterprises will cut through the confused messages about technology integration and data volume, and focus instead on delivering 3G-based wireless solutions for ubiquity, longevity and innovation. Once you can “design in” the connectivity, the magic will happen.
"APDN - connecting you to the world whether you want to be or not."
"let’s hope there’s only one such network."
I think we all know who the government has cast their vote for.
I like that guys thinking...he also had this to say...
"Regulation.
If a network of commercial-grade, AR-capable nanotaggants does emerge, let’s hope
there’s only one such network. That is, that the taggants operate on a frequency and in a manner
that all AR-capable hardware can use. Just as there’s only one internet, one set of GPS satellites,
one power grid, and one sewer system (just to name a few public utilities), so too should there only
be one network of taggants."
so here's my take (i.e., OPINION) on where I think the government's use of botanical dna markers is headed.
Here's an article by Brian Wassom that discusses augmented reality, it's issues, legality, etc. He does put a disclaimer that says they are his personal predictions, but it's amazing how much of what he says involves technology like what our little penny stock APDN currently has, and it's easy to see what could happen with it.
http://www.honigman.com/files/Uploads/Documents/Wassom/WASSOM_Augmented%20Legality%201.0%20E-book.pdf
It's another long read, but what I found most interesting was the post about "A Trillion Points of Light? Taggants as Ubiquitous AR Markers" on page 6.
I'll copy that whole part as it is very interesting...
A Trillion Points of Light? Taggants as Ubiquitous AR Markers
Originally posted on June 2, 2011
The nearly universal sentiment of those who spoke at the recent Augmented Reality Event
(ARE2011) was that AR markers are on the way out. Markers are the odd little black-and-white
designs or QR codes that most contemporary AR apps use to trigger the display of virtual imagery on
the user’s screen. These apps need to look for markers because mass-market mechanical vision
technology just isn’t sophisticated enough yet to discern and recognize most real-world objects, let
alone to superimpose digital data on those objects in real time (with a few primitive exceptions like I
Am Autobot.) The consensus I perceived at ARE2011 was that achieving next-generation AR–i.e.,
the ability to seamlessly and dynamically overlay digital data on the living, breathing, moving
physical world–would depend on improving the ability of machines to see and comprehend (and
therefore augment) the world around them
But what if that consensus turned out to be 100% wrong? What if, instead of improving
mechanical vision by a few orders of magnitude, it turned out to be easier to simply cover the entire
world with tiny AR markers?7
Mind you, I’m no programmer or hardware designer. And I have oodles of respect for those people I
met at ARE2011 who are actually putting in the hard work necessary to make this amazing
technology happen. I’m just a lawyer throwing around ideas.
I have to believe, however, that I’m not the only one to see this coming. Consider the following:
The explosion of RFID technology. “RFID tags, a technology once limited to tracking cattle, are
tracking consumer products worldwide,” reports HowStuffWorks. “Many manufacturers use the tags
to track the location of each product they make from the time it’s made until it’s pulled off the shelf
and tossed in a shopping cart. Outside the realm of retail merchandise, RFID tags are tracking
vehicles, airline passengers, Alzheimer’s patients and pets. Soon, they may even track your
preference for chunky or creamy peanut butter.”
A recent proposal even called for “ncorporating small, edible RFID tags embedded in your food.”
Such a system would allow tracking food products along the entire food chain, from production to
digestion, and even enable such devices as “smart plates” that scan your meal via Bluetooth and alert
you to potential food allergens.
Whether or not that ever happens, it’s safe to say that more and more of the objects in our everyday
lives are going to be tagged–and, eventually, talking to each other–in the near future. The buzzword
coined to describe that infrastructure is “the internet of things,” which you can read more about
here, and discuss in this LinkedIn group.
The defense industry’s investment in AR. The U.S. defense industry has long been one of the
world’s primary drivers of innovation. Much of this technology eventually trickles down to the
consumer level. The cases in point most relevant to this topic, of course, are GPS technology and the
internet itself.
AR will be no different. A clear takeaway from ARE2011 was that military spending is behind much
of the innovation currently happening in the field. Some of the start-ups represented at the
conference work exclusively for the military, and venture capitalists were there looking specifically
for dual-use military technology with strong potential for commercial spin-offs.
The military’s interest in taggants. “Taggants,” according to one company who makes them,
“are microscopic or nano materials that are uniquely encoded and virtually impossible to duplicate—
like a fingerprint. They can be incorporated into or applied to a wide variety of materials, surfaces,
products and solutions.” Think RFID tags, but a heck of a lot smaller.
According to a recent L.A. Times article, “[e]arlier this year, the Air Force asked for proposals on
developing a way to ‘tag’ targets with ‘clouds’ of unseen materials sprayed from quiet, low-flying
drones.” The paper quoted the president of one company that’s developing such nanotaggants as
saying that tagging, tracking and locating “is a hot topic in government work. It isn’t easy
tracking somebody in a crowded urban environment like what is seen in today’s wars.”
According to that company’s website, its “nanocrystal taggants are deployable in solvents,
inks/paints, and aerosols, allowing them to be easily integrated into various [military]
applications . . . and customized for the unique needs of other operations [as well].” It already makes
“nanocrystal security inks that can be incorporated directly into clear laminates, plastics, or
appliqués[,] … and dye- and pigment-based inks (including black inks) for use in banknotes, concert
tickets, lottery tickets, or CDs — and even in varnishes and lacquer finishes.” The transparent,
“nanophotonic” taggants are optically clear, but can be designed to respond to a specific range of UV
radiation.8
Add these trends together, and what do you get? A technology capable of literally painting the
world with AR markers. Micro- or nanotaggants baked into paint, plastics, asphalt, ink, or even dust
would be invisible to the naked eye, but capable of marking all manner of 3-D objects in a way that
appropriately equipped AR optics could potentially recognize. We may no longer need to
intentionally scan little, 2-D black squares in order to trigger digital content. Instead, we may be
able to slip on AR eyewear that automatically uses invisible pulses of energy to locate the
nanotaggants embedded in physical objects and superimposes digital data on them in a crisp,
seamless, precise-to-the-centimeter manner–what Blaise Aguera y Arcas of Microsoft called “Strong
AR” in his ARE2011 keynote.
This technology is closer than you think. Nanotaggants are already being marketed in conjunction
with electro-optical scanners to combat counterfeiting of bank notes and lottery tickets. The military
has its suppliers working on taggants that can be “crop-dusted“ over enemy troops to track their
movements. If and when this technology becomes commercially widespread (as happened in a
highly analogous way with the military’s GPS tracking technology), what legal issues might arise?
(Disclaimer time: these are my personal predictions about a technology that doesn’t (quite) exist
yet. It is not meant to apply to, or cast aspersions on, any of the companies, products, or services
currently on the market.)
good morning johnsyn...
nice video...it corresponds very well with my next APDN conspiracy theory and where I think they, AND the government are headed with APDN's technology. ...lol
How many people have heard of augmented reality?
Here's a wicki-link on the subject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_reality
sunny...
apdn has been working on getting FDA approval even before Dr. Hayward got on board.
The following is a transcript of a meeting that took place back in 2003 (I think.), that pretty much mirrors the talk that is still going on today about counterfeit pharmaceuticals. Geez...you would think in all that time someone would have found a solution by now. Or maybe they have but they aren't saying anything...
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/Nov03/111203/03n-0361-tr00001-03-vol6.pdf
Dr. Julia Hunter was the Medical Director of APDN at the time, and was at that meeting. It's a long document, but take a look at page 240.
She stated, "We produce DNA-embedded inks which can be
printed on anything; DNA-embedded labels which can
be affixed to anything and be tamper evident; and
DNA-embedded microchips which can be placed
anywhere in packaging; and DNA-embedded textile
markers, which we have developed with the
Departments of Commerce and Agriculture. We also
have an edible-grade DNA marker which we hope is
going to fast track through the FDA. "
That was prior to 2005. How long does it take to "fast track" something through the FDA?
Thanks johnsyn...now I remember why I left earlier. I was getting too emotional. lol
Oh, where is Superman when the world needs him most?
Oh wait...he's fictional...then where is there a company that has a viable solution to helping to curb all this counterfeiting???? There must be someone or some institution out there that can help!
Afterall, it's pretty well agreed upon that “successfully keeping counterfeiters like these at bay is crucial.”
So where is our savior I ask you? Where?!
Anyone on this board know of a company that could possibly help reduce all the rampant counterfeiting going on in this world?
Anyone? Anyone?
3 Men Arrested in Scheme to Sell Counterfeit Car Parts
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/nyregion/three-men-arrested-in-scheme-to-sell-counterfeit-automotive-parts.html?ref=josephgoldstein&_r=0
"The commission’s top official, David Yassky, said in a statement that “the public may remain confident in the safety of New York City taxicabs,” but he added that “successfully keeping counterfeiters like these at bay is crucial.”"
Problems, problems, problems, and more problems with counterfeits...
Man admits stealing iPads using fake credit cards
http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130222/CITYANDREGION/130229735/1010
"The Worldwide Pharmaceutical Supply Chain, from raw materials to final products on the shelf, continues to face threats as a result of counterfeiting, adulteration, theft, and diversion which reduce the safety and efficacy of the drugs in the consumer’s medicine cabinet. The severity of the problem was shown when at least 81 people died in 2008 as a result of purposely adulterated Heparin from a plant in China."
http://www.rx-360.org/AlertsNews/Events/InfomExFebruary19222013AnaheimCAUSA/tabid/348/Default.aspx
Woman, 20, charged with passing counterfeit bills
http://www.wtop.com/46/3231264/Woman-20-charged-with-passing-counterfeit-bills
Getting real on counterfeit goods front
http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/print-edition/2013/02/22/getting-real-on-counterfeit-goods-front.html
Dozens charged in Va in counterfeit check scheme
http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/21305908/dozens-charged-in-va-in-counterfeit-check-scheme
Businesswoman grabbed with fake drugs
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/crime/artikel.php?ID=265699
Here's a conspiracy for you johnsyn...
Clintons and Federal Reserve bankers linked to fake gold in Fort Knox.
http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/business/currency/news.php?q=1307371215
I've been searching Treasury stuff because I've been looking at connections with contacts my little rich kid noted on his investment "memo" to his investment group about APDN.
The report was done in 2011. The group invested almost $16,000 in APDN stock last October and bought in at 22 cents. ($16,000 on a stock is a typical investment for them.) I thought that was a good sign since their other stocks were companies like Google, Apple, and Philip Morris.
They dumped the stock at the end of last month, and I was thinking that either they know APDN is going to crash and burn, or else they didn't want to keep the stock as it skyrocketed up, thus potentially getting the group scrutinized for doing some insider trading.
Anyway....looks like I should have sold when they did, as they obviously know something we don't, or else why sell at the same amount after holding the stock for only 4 months, when they waited over a year to buy into it?
EyeNote doesn't have anything to do with counterfeit currency, but it does show that the iPhone and an "app" is currently being used to identify currency amounts for the visually impaired. (It came out at the end of last quarter, so is relatively new.)
Good start for using an iPhone and an app for other identification purposes. Like telling if a bill, etc., is real or fake.
http://www.moneyfactory.gov/images/Apps4Android_Press_Release_FINAL1.pdf
http://www.moneyfactory.gov/
http://www.eyenote.gov/