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Affidavit of Service and Subpoena,
Baxa is brought in the Suit.
Thanks Lori for the info.
Our God is a jealous God. He will not share His Glory with no one, and He will not negotiate His Commandments for any reason.
Could have Adam named each and all species of animals God created in the laps of literal 24 hours?
"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell," Mark 9:43-46
If we are to take the Bible literally, should we do what Jesus says?
killianpsi, yes, you just confirmed the unusual practice that is (or was) going on on the Bible board: taking parts of a post, or a few words and turning them into what you want them to be, regardless of the clear description of what they were meant to be. From that perspective, I am glad I am out of there.
You forgot to mention the belief aspect. The first thing man must do is to believe, then confess.
The very term "born again believer" talks about a believer that is born again. I guess you missed the "believer" in my post.
Once confession is made, man becomes justified.
I agree. But that is not what I was talking about. I was talking about justification of sin ( a sin by itself), not justification of man.
I wonder what do you understand by "repentance"?
Anyway, thanks for once again showing how you take my posts apart and twist its meaning to become something other than what it says. Common practice on the Bible board.
killianpsi, if you are a true born again believer, you cannot have any unconfessed sin or sins. If you have unconfessed sin or sins, you cannot be a true born again believer.
How do you become a born again believer? By confessing your sins, asking for forgiveness and repent and turn away from the sin. You see, in my opinion, confession of each and all sins is a sure sign of the first step of becoming a born again believer.
Of course, confession is not enough. You must be sorry for the sins and never, under any circumstances, justify them. Sin can never be justified before God.
And then sin must be asked to be forgiven by the blood of Jesus Christ, and the person must repent, that is, willingly and consciously promising not to sin again. Not that we can ever accomplish that, we were born with a sinful nature and we will die with it. But there must be a genuine desire not to offend God anymore.
excel,
Imorovan. Gave u every chance and then some.
I agree with Sassy and have said before in your DEFENSE that I believe u love the Lord with all your heart.
That being said, your accuzations along with other issues has brought a consequence.
Time for a cooling off period.
I see nothing good coming from letting this to continue.
After June 8th if u care to rejoin the discussion please PM me.
Making accuzations else ware though certainly won't help your request.
Otherwise I'd love to have u back without the every body is after me attitude.
Otherwise I can see no good coming from it.
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As I said before, your board is your board, and you do what you believe it's the best for you and the members. If you can live with your decision, who am I to question it?
Your banning me from it, however, tells me that the best thing for all will be to stay permanently away. I see no reason for coming back as long as the same one sided rules apply. You, more than anyone else, have been aware of the constant harassment and judgment. And did nothing to stop it. Since my presence on your board is so uncomfortable to some members, I will better stay away from it.
The point is, I may be wrong in many issues. But so may others. If some believe they hold the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then I will continue to read the board and learn. And if I have any comment to make, I will do it here.
Last post before banning:
Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: Sassy who wrote msg# 6404
Date:5/30/2006 2:11:53 PM
Post #of 6407
Sassy, have you notice how every post of mine, every opinion within, are taken apart, analyzed, judged, and rebutted with statements and scripture that have nothing to do with the topic of my post?
Have you notice how, every time, after a few days of silence on the board, if I post something, there is always somebody who jumps on my case and start a harassing barrage of questioning and judgment?
Have you notice that when a topic becomes uncomfortable to some, it is changed and I am being blamed for it?
I am being accused of being a coward, of spreading false teachings, of lying, of twisting. And you say I am an accuser of the brethren?
And when I defend myself I am being threatened with banning? I guess it will eventually happen, for I will not sin by accepting opinions that are not biblical.
My love for the Lord will not be affected, perhaps it will be increased. I am ready.
Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: Sassy who wrote msg# 6402
Date:5/30/2006 1:43:27 PM
Post #of 6403
Sassy, you mean I have to shut up when my Lord and Savior is offended, my God is blasphemed? Or you agree that sinners will enter heaven with their baggage of sin?
If I am to be banned for defending the truth and exposing deceit, so be it.
Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: excel who wrote msg# 6400
Date:5/30/2006 1:31:16 PM
Post #of 6401
If you ban me, you will prove you have made a blasphemous statement and you don't have what it takes to admit it. These are your words:
BTW. There will be PLENTY of people all over this world who are alive at the time who will have sin in their hearts not yet forgiven when the King comes back. And also when they die.
And YES they will be going to Heaven!
I say you were wrong. And any action against me pointing it out will confirm it.
Sassy, you mean I have to shut up when my Lord and Savior is offended, my God is blasphemed? Or you agree that sinners will enter heaven with their baggage of sin?
If I am to be banned for defending the truth and exposing deceit, so be it.
If you ban me, you will prove you have made a blasphemous statement and you don't have what it takes to admit it. These are your words:
BTW. There will be PLENTY of people all over this world who are alive at the time who will have sin in their hearts not yet forgiven when the King comes back. And also when they die.
And YES they will be going to Heaven!
I say you were wrong. And any action against me pointing it out will confirm it.
I caught him blaspheming, and he threatens to ban me:
Posted by: excel
In reply to: lmorovan who wrote msg# 6399
Date:5/30/2006 1:21:05 PM
Post #of 6400
I made a statement that would be the only way your position regarding the presence of sinful people in heaven could make sense. But that denies the value of the sacrifice of our Lord on the cross.
It never ends with u. Sinful people in heaven?
Only ones going to heaven are ones who have repented of their sins when they gave their life to Christ. Turned from their worldly ways.
Christ is the one way, only way to the Father which is the one way to Heaven.
Will those people in the above statement unlike what u said in your original statement I have quoted many times die with unforgiven sin before going to heaven?
OF COURSE THEY WILL unless right before they died there timing was good enough to ask.
Most here know about the transformation of why that unforgiveness will not be an issue.
But u on the other hand made a legalistic statement stating otherwise.
I'm done on this subject and guess what?
So are u.
Move on to other subjects without an attitude.
If u don't move on you will be banned.
excel, I have no need to twist anything and no tracks to cover. I made a statement that would be the only way your position regarding the presence of sinful people in heaven could make sense. But that denies the value of the sacrifice of our Lord on the cross.
BTW. my post that you keep quoting is incomplete without this sentence:
And what makes us aware of our sin is the 10 Commandments (The Law) of God.
If Christ's blood shed on the cross did not wash away our sins, then yes, there will be sinful people entering heaven. But then, Christ's sacrifice was in vain.
excel, you answered to this remark of mine:
If you are not aware of your sin, you cannot confess your sin. If you don't confess your sin, you cannot repent from your sin. If you don't repent from your sin, you cannot receive forgiveness for your sin. And if your sin is not forgiven, it will never allow you to go to heaven, for sin will never enter in heaven.
Among other things, you stated:
BTW. There will be PLENTY of people all over this world who are alive at the time who will have sin in their hearts not yet forgiven when the King comes back. And also when they die.
And YES they will be going to Heaven!
It's all there? Yes. Now, I am asking to provide a scriptural support for your statement. Is that so hard to do?
excel, so what were you saying here?:
BTW. There will be PLENTY of people all over this world who are alive at the time who will have sin in their hearts not yet forgiven when the King comes back. And also when they die.
And YES they will be going to Heaven!
Can anyone, please, provide scriptural support that sinful people will enter heaven?
"BTW. There will be PLENTY of people all over this world who are alive at the time who will have sin in their hearts not yet forgiven when the King comes back. And also when they die."
You seem to forget that at the moment of the Second Coming, we will be transformed in a twinkling of an eye:
"I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." 1 Corinthians 15:51,52
"Nothing impure will ever enter it (heaven)*, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life." Revelation 21:27
* my addition
I never thought I will ever read on this board any statement which implies that sin will enter heaven.
I sure hope u can explain this to God why Heaven will be empty.
Where did I say heaven will be empty? I said sin will never enter heaven, lest heaven will be corrupted. We may not be aware of all the sins we commit, but when we ask for forgiveness of the sins we are aware, we also ask forgiveness for the sins that we don't remember or are not aware of. At least that's what I do, since I know for a fact that I sin, knowingly or not, every day of my life.
My comment was directly referring to Paul's statement that through the law we become conscious of sin, and sin must be acknowledged, asked to be forgiven, repent from it and only then it is no longer held against us. Contrary to the bad habit of many to justify their sins by explaining the "valid" reasons they had to do what they did.
When we come before God and, in the name of Jesus Christ, we ask forgiveness from our sins, both conscious or not, we deposit our trust in His promise to forgive our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Only then we become able to enter heaven.
Sin will never enter heaven. If anyone can provide a contrary teaching, please do so.
Let's see who long this post will stay on that board.
Posted by: 1OFHIS
In reply to: lmorovan who wrote msg# 6361
Date:5/30/2006 10:06:50 AM
Post #of 6381
lmorovan,
You are lying, I have never implied that the 10 commandments are no longer valid and have said the opposite several times.
You like to argue and cause disruption.
1OFHIS, I will respectfully ask you to refrain from asking me questions or opinions. I have no problem with you rebutting anything I say, but please do it directed to the board, in general, not to me personally. I will not answer you and I ask you to, please, don't insist asking me questions. Do you think you can do that? Like, can you respect this request from me?
Thank you.
killianpsi, I will rather take the Word of God which tells me that God wrote the Law on the stone tablets, if that is OK with you.
Sin = transgression of the Law.
If you are not aware of your sin, you cannot confess your sin. If you don't confess your sin, you cannot repent from your sin. If you don't repent from your sin, you cannot receive forgiveness for your sin. And if your sin is not forgiven, it will never allow you to go to heaven, for sin will never enter in heaven.
And what makes us aware of our sin is the 10 Commandments (The Law) of God.
killianpsi, you asked and answered your own question.
killianpsi, I never stated that the Law redeems or saves. Please, if you did read the whole discussion last night, you will see that. The Law shows me what a sinner I am, and so did to Paul. The Law is the standard God will use to judge those who, becoming aware of their sin, did not repent and turn away from it.
killianpsi, if you read carefully what I wrote, I said that nothing in the Bible, OT or NT is telling that the 10 Commandments are no longer valid. They are as valid today as they were when they were written on the stone tablets.
Who has been implying that the 10 Commandments are no longer valid is 1OFHIS.
"Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law." Romans 3:29-31
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:17,18
"I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet." Romans 7:7(b)
"Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin." Romans 3:19,20
Underline mine.
"I do not believe that any man can preach the gospel who does not preach the Law. The Law is the needle, and you cannot draw the silken thread of the gospel through a man's heart unless you fist send the needle of the Law to make way for it"
Charles Spurgeon
And another one
Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: excel who wrote msg# 6350
Date:5/30/2006 2:53:06 AM
Post #of 6351
Be fair and be just. It's all I ask. And use the same standard for all, not just one or a few.
BTW, you used the name of the Holy Spirit in the wrong way. It should be capitalized, LOL.
And you do well in not wasting your time with me in any manner, not only with my accusation of being unfair. After all it's your board, you can do with it as you please and don't have to be held accountable before anyone.
More deletions:
Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: None
Date:5/30/2006 2:32:04 AM
Post #of 6349
Remember, you can't delete a post after 24 hours, so, get to work before it's too late.
excel, how long before you ban me from posting?
Another deleted post:
Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: excel who wrote msg# 6341
Date:5/30/2006 1:59:18 AM
Post #of 6344
And no.
You do not have the right to argue with me so don't even start.
Guess you are learning fast from Matt, LOL.
I did not use the name of the Holy Spirit in any way objectionable. I specifically used "holy spirit". If you don't see the difference, is not my fault.
You speak about respect? How about the posts were I was called a coward and other names? Is it both ways or only one way?
A commandment is given to be obeyed, not as an entertainment or a moral compass but .. well. commandment. Like an order, in military terms.
The 10 Commandments should not be obeyed, they must be obeyed.
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