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When ness was under, we knew that there were 2 parts to it. ness international, and ness Israel. ness Israel had a connection to Modiin. when Sha, (Hayseeds son) ran it into the ground, he ended up handing the company over to Mr Stricklin who had some oil dealings. at a point jameswxyz (train dream) myself and 1 other person were trying to purchase ness Israel away from stricklin. As we had made offer, David Boyce got his hands on it first. but because of some debt and other issues, there was a long court battle for ness Israel. in the end, the debt was dropped when Boyce handed over ness Israel to the other party.
so the last years have been spent trying to get the books and the SEC to get ness trading again. were close. but as you said, we have no assets, and would be just a shell. I believe there will be a large sum of money and a word where to drill, and things could happen quicker than many would imagine.
the one thing I do hold to is that before all is finished in the realm of end times, is that america and Israel will be energy independent. my ideas of clean energy are coming to pass, but at a slower rate than anticipated, so I am open to more fossil fuels for awhile. thats why I would try and get ness back into Israel by the dead sea. and see if we can finish it off.
for those I know before things went bad, there are some serious shareholders in the 500,000 share realm. that looks like a big number, but when in penny stocks, if you had a million shares and hit oil even for 50 a share, thats some serious coin. as eddie murphy always said, buy low sell high. just not orange juice crops.
the web site was actually made and owned by a guy named rusty, and what he did was clone the original ness energy forum. I posted a lot of information there. it was www.israeloilforum.com but rusty pulled the plug on it after awhile, so its gone also. I had mentioned it before, but I can create another one fairly easily, but since Im a bit indifferent in whats happening here at zion, the post was eliminated.
I just hope we can get on the same page someday on all of this energy stuff.
does this look familiar?
http://demo.webwizforums.com/open-forum-registered-members_forum2.html
oh, and stan johnson was talking about taking ness over also, when he claimed when he had dreams of Sha driving a bus with him in it that it meant he was to run it.
stan and the prophecy club are hardly visible anymore. he tried to make his own company after the ness thing didn't work. called prophetic oil. that website is still up, but hasn't changed in years.
extreme desperation is looking for someone in Israel to report back to you on social media since you aren't hearing from zion PR...
so you can look anyone in the eye and know their demeanor?
please.... deceit... lets see.... John Brown promised that he was buying a rig and creating zion drilling division.
NEVER HAPPENED !!!!
that proves he isn't what you think.
as far as whomever replied to me about GIVOT not raising money is cause for their demise...
let me just say zion had how many rights offerings to the christian realm for blessing Israel to keep this charade going?
yet when you are Jews already in Israel, you don't have the gullible christians around to keep getting money from.
Garrett, raging bull changed their outline completely.
there are no more posting boards. anything from before is long gone.
the train dream came from jameswxyz. I speak with him here and there.
I also have contact with david boyce who is CEO of ness.
ness is about to be listed again.
Texas Tea
the PR group at zion is really something.
how long has it been since the meeting, and still no word?
there are shareholders now asking people via social media outlets, that are in the area of the drilling to report back something. send pictures
no more delays????
and if there were such a thing, if its such a security issue, nobody could report anything back anyway.
if there were tanks surrounding the place and f16's flying overhead, then maybe they have something...
read the article straight from Israel source...
givot didn't have the money. because they didn't have anything to sell.
you say its lack of money, and its just like zion, sooner or later, investors will stop giving their money due to numerous attempts not paying off.
people can say all they want on what they believe is in the ground. until they can get it out, it means nothing to those losing money.
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The Givot Olam partnership obtained the Rosh HaAyin prospect in April 2002, but has since conducted only three drillings: Meged 4, which included a side drilling and a horizontal drilling; Meged 5, which was drilled twice in the same place; and Meged 6, which also included a side drilling. Only Meged 5 produced oil, and oil production was completely discontinued in April 2017.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-givot-olam-oil-exploration-license-deadline-extended-1001231439
if zion doesn't have commercial quantity to sell to get revenue. they are finished.
how many of those companies still haven't got revenue from crude oil finds?
and they have shut down all operations for not getting oil out of ground...
wasting your time?
how do you ask someone for a quote on the subject that there was no oil found on a past well, when its known throughout the whole zion operation they haven't found anything or have any revenue from selling it?
every post of speculation is fully aware that they are trying to find oil but haven't yet... SMH
since when does a preacher's words on endtimes have anything to do with how a company who has to follow certain guidelines to do business?
if a person wanted to start their own business, they go to a bank, but they will ask for collateral, and a business plan.
normally any bank for business loans would never give you money if you didn't have something to buffer if your plan fails.
you buy a house but they look for a downpayment so just in case you walk away, they can sell your house again and with the money from downpayment, they wont lose any money.
so would that not say that any company that is asking for money, that they have collateral, or that they have actually done and have proven themselves before going onto the "BIG ONE".
but when you back your enterprise saying the man upstairs is with you, people believe thats enough.
what do you think the bank would say about zion's collateral? they have NONE
how many dry holes now? how many millions for what in return?
the man upstairs still works within the outlines of economics.
depending on someone else supplying water from the rock
and something to eat, is total dependance.
is that the same as the dependance for millions of dollars from shareholders?
it was life or death in that wilderness.
not in this case.
and paying extra to have your name on top of the building costs less than not having it on the last one?
oh theres a cost savings right there.
some posts are laughable?
all the posts are speculation while you wait.
sec investigation?
no answers from company?
there shall be no more delays?
yet thats all there is...
why is it that zion doesn't have something going on in texas as far as revenue?
their home base, and they don't even have anything to show in having something even small to help pay the bills.
the definition of a company that lives off of money from others is called a charity.
then why all the need for seismic testing and charts of everything in the ground to decide where they wanted to drill?
if a prophet says to drill at a certain coordinate, that is the x that marks the spot.
oh by the way, how many dry holes so far and how many millions to be at this point?
does the divine person upstairs intentionally make sure that many millions are rated in doing anything for His glory?
a few things Geo...
firstly, Im not sure how long you've been in the zion realm, but a few of us have been through this rodeo before, and I will inform anybody that has looked at the zion oil building that they originally were located at 6510 Abrams Rd Suite 300 Dallas Tx, 75231.
so by their moving, it was an upgrade from where they were originally. if you put in the address on google maps and compare the 2 buildings, its undeniable they took a step up. and they did this on shareholder money without ever having any revenue.
also they have never owned either building. they have leased. but where they are now definitely costs more. so how does one justify they upgrade their facility and continue to ask shareholders for money?
If I were at that meeting recently, I would ask John Brown to his face why Richard Rinberg and Bill Ottaviani are no longer there. the days are over by saying it was with mutual agreement for the split. completely unacceptable response considering they have no revenue.
I have said this before, and I'll say it again, YOU CANT KEEP TAKING SHAREHOLDERS MONEY WITHOUT HAVING SOMETHING THAT GENERATES REVENUE TO BEGIN WITH. with all the delays and non compliance to those shareholders, its like a slap in the face when they draw things out, and the evidence of their spending shows they don't care for anyone but themselves.
if it comes out that this well is also dry, then zion is finished. they have strung out too many for too long on their dealings. basically if they were meant to find oil, a prophet would be told where to drill and it would happen. we know thats not the case. I will say ness energy will find oil eventually by dead sea.
is this what zion oil is compared to KyOil?
The Givot Olam partnership obtained the Rosh HaAyin prospect in April 2002, but has since conducted only three drillings: Meged 4, which included a side drilling and a horizontal drilling; Meged 5, which was drilled twice in the same place; and Meged 6, which also included a side drilling. Only Meged 5 produced oil, and oil production was completely discontinued in April 2017.
The oil potential in the area has been assessed in the hundreds of millions of barrels, but the Givot Olam partnership, which drilling in it in recent years, has succeeded in producing only very small quantities of oil from it.
http://en.globes.co.il/en/article-givot-olam-oil-exploration-license-deadline-extended-1001231439
the way I have seen it is if someone gets upset for a post like that, they click the TOS and submit. unless the mods have to turn anything in, and you didn't want to, then remove yourself.
I see the religious rule impossible to follow considering the background on this company. it goes hand in hand. yet many posts aren't allowed.
how can you even say this spike?
the whole outline of john browns journey, and for zion oil is nothing but that.
the head of joseph?
keep the faith messages?
it all comes from the same source.
the bible.
this is a different prophetic word about oil..
I was just looking at Mark Taylor's web site and noticed that the 2nd last entry was this one. I didnt see it before.
maybe, just maybe this could be........
https://www.sordrescue.com/uploads/4/7/7/9/47798703/01-24-18_energy_now.pdf
1-24-18
Energy Now
The Spirit of God says, "How do you capture a country? You capture it's energy. For
too long, you evil globalists have controlled the energy and it stops now! lt shall be
exposed in one country after another who has been manipulating and controlling my
earth through oil and energy. You evil globalists think you control the oil? Hah! I laugh
at my enemies. The oil is not yours but mine and I the Lord God control it. I will release
it to my righteous nations and I will cut it off from wicked ones, for I the Lord God own all
the silver and gold including black gold."
The Spirit of God says, "The sign has been given that the energy boom is here now.
This energy explosion will be the biggest in the history of my America and my lsrael.
New oil and energy will be discovered and released in the natural and will be a sign that
new oil is being released in the spiritual over America and lsrael. Other countries'
economies will be affected. Russia and China, will be put in their place, your militaries
shall be affected by this. Your planes will be seen sitting on the tarmac unable to fly for
lack of parts. You will no longer be considered a threat or a superpower. When
America announces she is energy independent, these things shall take place. The
national debt will be dealt a death blow from what I am releasing in the natural and the
spiritual. New energy, new energy is here now and these new discoveries will confound
the wise, for it is those that think they are wise that have held all this energy captive, but
no more, for l the Lord God am unleashing it now."
and let us not forget the oil realm has been announced by 2 nations that oil is over or that major change is needed by 2030..
does that give people a clue as to what can be expected in the next few years? its possible to still find and use something in the near future, but as the world is showing, crude oil is soon to be over with...
Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Ironic that both have the same year projected?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/saudi-arabia-a-kingdom-built-on-oil-plans-a-future-beyond-it/2017/04/21/6574d2ee-251a-11e7-bb9d-8cd6118e1409_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8ec254dee8b6
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-aims-to-eliminate-use-of-coal-gasoline-and-diesel-by-2030/
in my opinion, it would be better zion found gas, since the article says Israel will use it going forward...
you are not alone on those thoughts married50...
the part that is like fingernails on a chalkboard is every time I hear that john brown is a man of faith, and that makes it all ok that many lost big money the last go around.
after all the same jargon coming from Bill Ottaviani and Richard Rinberg last time, and the well was dry, its all ok that john brown's previous attempts were all about the head of Joseph where x marks the spot, and this time around Carillo decides to drill on typical oil drilling data by itself.
that right there doesn't sit well with me AT ALL !!!
you ram the faith thing and even send a book to your house written by Hal Lindsey, and all the time and money you spent to find nothing, and now they are drilling the normal way without the biblical road map saying everything.
the 2 can't go hand in hand. so all the past explorations based on faith lost millions !!!
if they find anything this time around while they used the normal criteria for deciding where to drill will just amplify how wrong the first attempts were. and when a person lost a bunch of money during that, it doesn't make a wrong right....
as many have asked.. is it live streamed?
in todays world of technology, it very well should be without fail
if theres an issue with the public seeing it against some rules, they can use a meeting setup and have actual shareholders register so they are legit to watch.
another excuse for running things poorly.
the amount of money one can save by just watching on their computer is massive.
zion must believe all shareholders are loaded in their wallets for what they returned on their investments.
meeting is like this...
hello all..
thanks for coming...
we were hoping to give some results, but there have been delays.
we have nothing further to say...
enjoy the free zion baseball caps and chip dip.
meeting adjourned...
Tisdal, a few things...
firstly, most people who believe in the whole oil in Israel connection are going to be longs.
only those who buy and sell quickly will use this or any stock to add up profits to earn a daily living.
depending on where they bought in, most will probably hang on to it since they will typically hold until they see their believed breakthrough. even if it takes numerous attempts.
but if it were to tank to a buck and they did buy higher, maybe they will dump it. right now its a crucial time to hear good news to get the SP back up. ultimately I believe there will be no more investors to give enough to drill again.
I know Im not saying anything new here...but at least this go around, it didn't make it to 14 on not having any commercial quantity oil. people's excitement pushed it up there, but the balloon popped on the bad news. naturally nobody wants to hear it again, but as the odds say, only 1 in 9 drill attempts find anything of value. zion needs revenue. no more paying management their salary on the shareholders dime. its like a 40 year old kid still getting allowance.
and secondly, the 50 year jubilee is over with. so there's no connection with that anymore.
its down to the nitty gritty.
go big or go home....IMO
I do believe that ness will trade again..
but who will want to buy any if its just gonna sit there?
the only reason to buy any is if its going to do something. after years of legal issues, and I have been in contact with the CEO lately, the issue is unless there is a mass transfer of finances or a miracle I would say, then who will be able to get something back?
just to go and get a lease and a rig and crew, I would have to say that 25 million would be minimum needed...
we shall see...
on the other hand, isn't a penny stock that goes berserk what everyone wishes to find? imagine buying a half a million shares at a penny per, and then in time it strikes the motherload and hits 100 bucks.
thats a lot of zeros...
lets see... 500,000 X .01 = 5000$ then 500,000X100.00=50,000,000
5000$ investment makes 50 million. wheres eddie murphy and the orange juice crop report?
I can relate since Ive been around for much longer than that.
I can add even more heartache in the realm of oil in Israel since I hold a bunch of shares of ness energy.
they drilled a well, then after time the founder died, his son takes over, ran the company into the ground, where we ended up on the pink sheets, and then ultimately delisted and put on the shelf by the SEC.
there were court battles and moneys owed, and an ex management person wanted to continue with this dream, and has spent a bunch of his own money on legal fees, and might get the company trading again shortly.
but even then, theres no assets, no leases, nothing.
only the dream to drill by the dead sea.
so zion hasn't sunk yet but if they don't find commercial quantity oil on this well, they will repeat the path of ness.
the issue that irks me the most is in between drilling times. the management lives off of the leftover rights offerings and then the time it takes to drill again is like years worth of vacations on the shareholders dime. it would be different if zion actually had some revenue generating all along, but we know thats not the case. management gets paid all the way, while the shareholders pay the tab. and what do they get?
you have to answer that yourselves....
"you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip"....
now you're starting to feel my pain on the last go around. but it isn't official just yet that its bad news.
at least you didn't buy at the 9$-10$ range when it made it to 14$ and then dropped like a brick to a buck.
because in actuality, this stock shouldn't cost more than a buck anyway. they haven't officially found anything yet. and this time the hype didn't push it toward that 14 mark.
so if theres anyone else who lost 8 bucks a share on this go around, which I doubt, then you will know my pain.
Tisdal, Zion has stated making Israel energy independent every time they have drilled.
thing is, that includes 4 failed attempts and the results of #5 are in the balance.
1 in 9 drill attempts will find crude oil on the average on an inland realm.
the biggest issue I see is that anyone to drill for oil usually has revenue from another source.
but in the case of zion, they never drilled in texas to at least have some sort of revenue.
they have fleeced the flock so many times, I can't believe people keep giving their money to them.
they can make all kinds of positive statements to make it appear they have found something, but just like in the last go around it was the same thing. "we intend to make Israel energy independent".
yet it didn't happen. how many times can one keep posting "there will be no more delays" or "good news", and there is no good news and nothing but delays?
to the person who said zion is worried about cash.... is it any different than a person trying to pay the rent? ah don't worry about it, you can only get evicted.
99.9 percent of all comments on here are speculation and conjecture...
were you here on the last go around captain?
where all the same hype was being said where it sent the SP over 14 bucks a share. and we all know what the result was.
because of last time, the SP hasn't taken off over the same hype.
that tells you right there between PR hype and what people thought last time is now wait and see.
even if zion found oil, it still doesn't determine any amounts.
but I surely hope for zion's sake they find something. I told my nephew about zion on the last go around, and I would like to see him get his money back or more.
"Yet, everyone said they would never find it. Then they did. "
up to this point, its the same thing as last time. oil seen while drilling. yet last time there was no commercial quantity.
everyone waits for any answer, but you say they found it. where is that posted as proof?
recall the last time around when rinberg said he had the oil from the drilling, and yet they found nothing?
its in the video I recently posted about zion drilling company from 2010 that never happened. no doubt that not finding oil didn't fill the bank account to buy the rig.
so an oil stain doesn't mean anything at this point.
ummm, there are known archeology finds that prove there have been at least 30 ancient civilizations that go way past the book you choose to make claims for in that 200 million man army will do what it says.
like a tree has rings to show its age, so does the earth have layers. if one looks at the rocks in the grand canyon, there are so many layers, its not even close to 7000 years.
the oil that zion is looking for is 20000 feet under. its a little impossible that crude oil is that deep with a young earth.
If you are asking for proof of the drilling company....
here ya go...
Ratbike, you seem to forget that there are many zion longs that felt the same way you just stated on the last drilling attempt, yet lost their shirts on bogus PR.
all the same things were said.
all the same faith.
yet the SP made it to over 14 bucks on hype.
this stock shouldn't be anything more than a dollar per share.
they have no revenue, and nothing but losses on their track record due to finding nothing.
cascade has good points, but all the issues that JB had by going with the head of Joseph found nothing in 4 tries. after mr ex railroad commish stepped in as CEO, he went the route of regular wildcatting technology.
then also remember that zion told us last go around they were forming zion drilling and buying their own rig. IT NEVER HAPPENED !!!
then Richard Rinberg disappears. oh to hear them say it was a mutual departure, but when this whole God will bless Israel ordeal has a CEO up and leave tells much more to the story than long time zion investors really know.
36 years and millions of investors money all for nill.
never had revenue. lives off of shareholders wallets promising blessings.
anyone in wildcatting will start small with something. a small well in texas.
oh thats right, thats where john brown lives. yet never had income from any wells right at home.
oh and lets not forget the last time around, the hype pushed this stock to over 14 bucks a share. all while having nothing.
should others say the same thing by someone using a holy book as a road map? namely John Brown?
again the taylor word is used for zion's attempt.
read it again folks. it starts out by saying "this new energy and the technology to capture it". crude oil is not new. drilling doesn't fit the bill in explaining this technology in capturing it...
there was another volcano erupting in Indonesia. so the ring is fully active. everything is being shaken tremendously.
12-16-16
Energy Energy
"Energy, Energy, I am releasing new energy. For this new
energy that I am releasing will make my America and my lsrael, energy independent.
For America and lsrael will now be the top energy producers in the world. This new
energy and the technology to capture it, will spring forth from the depths as the volcano
erupts from the depths. This is the sign that will be given... a massive volcanic eruption
will signal that this is the time for my America and lsrael and the end of the energy
corruption. OPEC, your evil regime will no longer be tolerated. You will no longer be
needed, for you refuse to listen to my words and have not heeded. For when that ring
of fire blows its top, it will be a sign to you that you will lose your stock and the covenant
you have with that ring will be lost."
"You countries that have dominated energy for decades, to
move your evil agenda, are charged with this guilt. Your days are numbered and you
will say, look how fast this was built. My America and my lsrael wilt be one and
because of this, you will be undone. Because of your rage, and the money you made
from those countries you manipulated and attacked from within, you will now have to
turn to those countries for help on a whim. For your wells will go dry and your finances
too, for you will now be fed, from the Red, White, and Blue."
its called insider trading ralph.
and its illegal.
considering the last go around and all the hype and scriptures of faith pounding at christians to bring in millions, and it sent the stock price over 14 bucks. all while finding nothing.
mr brown knows if he even says anything about crude oil without validation, he will be sued and zion will be finished.