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I say that if IDCC is triumphant, in an ITC decision, then the price goes up, plus WM flies the Spruce Goose right up their hanger with all 8 engines full throttle. just my unbiased opinion after waiting 10 years for this moment.
I think you are right up to a certain point, however I don't think the price of a license goes up after the ITC case but I do think if Samsung pushes things to the Federal court the price of business goes up. Just my opinion.
going ou on a lib (no leaves for cover this time of year either), I would say that any wording regarding termination is legalize for in the event I get fired or any other method of termination, I still get my bonus. it could be that no one is expecting to leave, but you always cover your gas pipe when you expect to get a large sum of cash as a bonus or commission for work done in the past. gross-up is associated with giving the employee enough money to pay the taxes on a bonus so that if it is a $10000 bonus you get the complete 10k for your pocket.
this is the part of your post that lead me to believe you do not own anything
I would also add that your own CEO doesnt expect a flat-rate of $2 a handset.
if you own stock then he is your CEO as well.
By the tone of your post I can assume you do not own the stock. Why are you constantly dumping on what has been hashed out on this board until the cows come home. We get your point and many don't agree. why keep coming back with the same old argument as if it will change any one's mind?
at 3:57:43 central time today the clouds over chicago parted and a ray of sunshine hit my house.
Posted by: dmiller Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:57:43 PM
In reply to: my3sons87 who wrote msg# 237280 Post # of 237293
IDCC does these conferences every year. This year is no different. Biz as usual.
good call. I didn't see that post earlier.
After the ban goes into effect do you think IDCC would accept a settlement if Samsung offered? Do you think that if they did, it would be as good an offer as Samsung would get to settle before an injunction? It could take a year or more for IDCC to accept an offer that IDCC would find acceptable post injunction. NOK will get every chance to grab market share. Once IDCC has an injunction they don't just have Samsungs nads in a vice but they have a red hot poker in their hand that Samsung gave them.
Nokia is not stupid. if they could shaft Samsung they would.
Don't forget Samsung can settle with IDCC on the same day when Nokia settles with IDCC even after the ITC issues the ban. Samsung's settlement will eliminate the ban immediately. Nokia will NOT get any advantage over Samsung and Nokia will not get any chance to grab market share from Samsung.
Nokia may be playing the biggest scam on Samsung. They get Samsung to take this all the way knowing that there isn't much chance they will win. Sammy gets an injunction against them, Nokia settles with IDCC and proceeds to take over market share in the US. The Fins never got along with Easterners, why would they start now? Samsung is going to wake up with a splitting headache on the 26th and Nokia will be smiling all the way to the bank.
They will be banned while appealing. They are risking a lot by going that route.
One import ban away from loosing that hard fought lead. Are they willing to roll those dice after all that work? overnight they would be pushed to a 0% share in US market.
The South Korean company reached the milestone -- with 22.4% of the market compared with Motorola's 21.1% -- by offering carriers a full portfolio of devices, from high-end products such as the touch-screen Instinct to lower-end phones given free to customers who sign up with a particular carrier.
how did your SIRI stock pick work out for u
testy arn't we? going to loose some money tomorrow?
cool
if you want to know what a $20 phone royalty looks like ask what hop on is paying
I could not open the link slacker711 provided so here is the same article from a different source. There is an up front plus an ongoing component plus patents given to Q. This all is great for IDCC if they can get a deal structured like this. Since the deal was first announced, I have always thought it will be interesting to see how the essential patent transfer part, and the cross license part of this deal is valued, so IDCC can get their fair share based on this Q/NOK deal. I believe NOK has no option but to settle as letting this go to the judge or jury can end up costing them more than $2 per phone.
ESPOO and SAN DIEGO, July 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Nokia ( NOK) and Qualcomm ( QCOM) today announced that they have entered into a new agreement covering various standards including GSM, EDGE, CDMA, WCDMA, HSDPA, OFDM, WiMAX, LTE and other technologies. The agreement will result in settlement of all litigation between the companies, including the withdrawal by Nokia of its complaint to the European Commission.
Under the terms of the new 15-year agreement, Nokia has been granted a license under all Qualcomm's patents for use in Nokia mobile devices and Nokia Siemens Networks infrastructure equipment. Further, Nokia has agreed not to use any of its patents directly against Qualcomm, enabling Qualcomm to integrate Nokia's technology into Qualcomm's chipsets. The financial structure of the settlement includes an up-front payment and on-going royalties payable to Qualcomm. Nokia has agreed to assign ownership of a number of patents to Qualcomm, including patents declared as essential to WCDMA, GSM and OFDMA. The specific terms are confidential.
"We believe that this agreement is positive for the industry, enabling the market to benefit from innovation and new technologies," said Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo, CEO of Nokia Corporation. "The positive financial impact of this agreement is within Nokia's original expectations and fully reflects our leading intellectual property and market positions."
"I'm very pleased that we have come to this important agreement," said Dr. Paul E. Jacobs, CEO of Qualcomm. "The terms of the new license agreement, including the financial and other value provided to Qualcomm, reflect our strong intellectual property position across many current and future generation technologies. This agreement paves the way for enhanced opportunities between the companies in a number of areas."
About Nokia
Nokia is the world leader in mobility, driving the transformation and growth of the converging Internet and communications industries. We make a wide range of mobile devices with services and software that enable people to experience music, navigation, video, television, imaging, games, business mobility and more. Developing and growing our offering of consumer Internet services, as well as our enterprise solutions and software, is a key area of focus. We also provide equipment, solutions and services for communications networks through Nokia Siemens Networks.
About Qualcomm
Qualcomm Incorporated ( http://www.qualcomm.com) is a leader in developing and delivering innovative digital wireless communications products and services based on CDMA and other advanced technologies. Headquartered in San Diego, Calif., Qualcomm is included in the S&P 500 Index and is a 2008 FORTUNE 500(R) company traded on The Nasdaq Stock Market(R) under the ticker symbol QCOM.
Nokia Forward-Looking Statements
It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of product, services and solution deliveries; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new products, services, solutions and technologies; C) expectations regarding market growth, developments and structural changes; D) expectations regarding our mobile device volume growth, market share, prices and margins; E) expectations and targets for our results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion of contemplated acquisitions on a timely basis and our ability to achieve the set targets upon the completion of such acquisitions; and H) statements preceded by "believe," "expect," "anticipate," "foresee," "target," "estimate," "designed," "plans," "will" or similar expressions are forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not limited to: 1) competitiveness of our product, service and solutions portfolio; 2) the extent of the growth of the mobile communications industry and general economic conditions globally; 3) the growth and profitability of the new market segments that we target and our ability to successfully develop or acquire and market products, services and solutions in those segments; 4) our ability to successfully manage costs; 5) the intensity of competition in the mobile communications industry and our ability to maintain or improve our market position or respond successfully to changes in the competitive landscape; 6) the impact of changes in technology and our ability to develop or otherwise acquire complex technologies as required by the market, with full rights needed to use; 7) timely and successful commercialization of complex technologies as new advanced products, services and solutions; 8) our ability to protect the complex technologies, which we or others develop or that we license, from claims that we have infringed third parties' intellectual property rights, as well as our unrestricted use on commercially acceptable terms of certain technologies in our products, services and solution offerings; 9) our ability to protect numerous Nokia and Nokia Siemens Networks patented, standardized or proprietary technologies from third-party infringement or actions to invalidate the intellectual property rights of these technologies; 10) Nokia Siemens Networks' ability to achieve the expected benefits and synergies from its formation to the extent and within the time period anticipated and to successfully integrate its operations, personnel and supporting activities; 11) whether, as a result of investigations into alleged violations of law by some current or former employees of Siemens AG ("Siemens"), government authorities or others take further actions against Siemens and/or its employees that may involve and affect the carrier-related assets and employees transferred by Siemens to Nokia Siemens Networks, or there may be undetected additional violations that may have occurred prior to the transfer, or ongoing violations that may have occurred after the transfer, of such assets and employees that could result in additional actions by government authorities; 12) any impairment of Nokia Siemens Networks customer relationships resulting from the ongoing government investigations involving the Siemens >carrier-related operations transferred to Nokia Siemens Networks; 13) occurrence of any actual or even alleged defects or other quality issues in our products, services and solutions; 14) our ability to manage efficiently our manufacturing and logistics, as well as to ensure the quality, safety, security and timely delivery of our products, services and solutions; 15) inventory management risks resulting from shifts in market demand; 16) our ability to source sufficient amounts of fully functional components and sub-assemblies without interruption and at acceptable prices; 17) any disruption to information technology systems and networks that our operations rely on; 18) developments under large, multi-year contracts or in relation to major customers; 19) economic or political turmoil in emerging market countries where we do business; 20) our success in collaboration arrangements relating to development of technologies or new products, services and solutions; 21) the success, financial condition and performance of our collaboration partners, suppliers and customers; 22) exchange rate fluctuations, including, in particular, fluctuations between the euro, which is our reporting currency, and the US dollar, the Chinese yuan, the UK pound s
http://www.smallcapwatch.com/pressRelease.asp?ID=49700
It depends on how the sellers are lined up. soounds like the first lot someone was selling as 146 shares, then 200, 100, 54 to close out your order. I once had a purchase of 1 share.
Good to hear from you. I was just in wisconsin this whole week. beautiful this time of year. north of Eau Claire right now is primo color. have you been to the Mississippi river between St Paul and Lacrosse? great ride. If you want to see some eagles send me a private message and I will give you some parks to visit.
dozer - I felt the same way but then I figured if I get left holding an empty bag of IDCC then there are more substantial problems to deal with. Also I thought back and determined that I prepared myself 10 years ago that I could lose it all with IDCC, but I thought it would be NOK or SAM squeezing the enema bag and not my own government.
Well, I am trying to remain patient, not panic, and am holding. I think "panic" selling has caused probably 1/2 or more of the drop.
But I fear I am being played the fool and may end up holding the empty bag.
So many have left the stock that if news hits it will gap up big time when everyone tries to get back in. That is an unfortunate side effect of this nasty situation.
agree with you
If they are it is from having a size 14 reighdeer skin muck-no-luck pushed into their brown eye.
I wonder if Nokia is getting warm and fuzzy about this?
I often forget the LOL. I did have a smile while typing it!
they could rip our sack and spill our marbles. you did not say which bullion to go to. I recomend lead.
Mortgage is with Wamu, does that mean I can stop paying my mortgage? Congress will pay it off!
davey jones is in the locker
I saw the post last night. some were in very poor tast but most that were removed were ones that Jim would let on without a problem. Dave from Ihub got a thorn under his saddle and started deleting everything that did not say IDCC on it. Seems to me that Jim set up the board and should be able to say what is discused.
Jim maybe just start a new board here that is IDCC + some OT? and all will be back to normal.
my first double post. dont even know how it happened. I deleted this one
This in conjunction with the freeze on shorting financials (if it lasts more that 4 days) is going to cost the naked shorts a lot of money. I can see the market going up without the ability for shorts to check the price rise. those who have covered shorts can ride it out, those who are naked will be closed out automatically at whatever price the stock is at. This could be a huge short squeeze market wide. we shall see soon enough. they will get what they have dished out for the last 2 years. I think there are some people with a major case of stained shorts today.
I did not, but I guess he was right. Maybe now more things may get notice as well
maybe has someting to do with naked short's game? posting a day late to hide actions? who knows. Good question though.
Why not have it efective right now? they have to let those naked muthers have a chance to get out cleanly. which is more that the naked muthers gave us.
The actions are effective at 12:01 a.m. ET on Thursday, Sept. 18, 2008.
same here
dozer
I mised that but rest assured many appreciate you fighting the good fight and we all are thinking of our friends suffering Ike's wrath. I hope life returns to it's abnormal normal state soon for you all.
Hang in there big fella'.
I don't remember now, but there was discussion of why IDCC was not declaring their patents essential to a standards body. Not sure if it was ETSI or one of the other groups. Maybe this kind of wording is why they did not declare?
I think I'm up to taking the blame for this last drop. Anyone wanting someone to blame, go ahead, lay it on me. LOL
Clay - stick around. don't let some among us deter you. for every negative poster there are 40 positive readers.
loop - sometimes we take things for granted when they are always there.
They become a fixture that you subconsciously acknowledge and say "hell ya" when the news presented is dog nuts on target. good or bad, but accurate.
I would say 85% of the people on this board say "hell ya" silently (or in some cases, loud enough the neighbors can hear it) to 95% of your posts. that is a record any baseball team would be proud of.
we should say thanks more than we do.
thanks to you and don't stop posting.
Magilla - Nice job. thanks for your efforts.
since you found this trend you should be able to trade the rat pellets out of IDCC. Good luck
hrbart....from an intraday high of 27.27 to 26.77 at the time of my post...what would you call it? Mkt wasn't off of its highs that much when it happened. Seems to be a daily occurence. Blast out of the gates only to slowly erode for the rest of the day.
would be interesting to know how much of that land that is not producing is barren land the government leased, and is getting paid on, but has no oil under it.
can't do nuk because we dont want glowing cats
cant have wind because bats explode and birds die
cant have oil because derricks off the coast are ugly
cant use coal might kill a mouse while getting at it
cant do solar
I guess we just give up and ride bikes
Most people dont know what oil is in. they think cars only.
Plastic
Nylon
Aspirin
asphalt
synthetic rubber
makeup
just to name a few
we need to develop nuk and solar to provide the electricity to power battery cars.
I look forward to hydrogen, but you still need electricity.
no easy solution. but if you don't start now you will never get to the finish line. need new oil while we develop nuk, solar, wind etc. drill here, drill now. then we dont have to send our carriers to the middle east.
OT: DD- I could not agree with you more. To add to your excellent analysis of the BS that is continually perpetrated on the largely ignorant US public, here is a great article:
That is when I became a big owner. could have killed me but it turns out life is good and getting better. bot enough to have av price less than 7 to this day. Here's hoping the tax man gets fat off of me when I sell.
A few of us still posting here were buying with both hands that day(based on his posts that fateful day, pretty sure Data Rox scored buys at the very bottom of that Y/E tax selling "blood in the streets" IDCC selloff), and this one wondered if we were all crazy. Found out we were jus fine within a few weeks.