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Hey, bigtuna177, I have a quick question for you....!
I'm old, worn out and retired in Florida now, but grew up on the south side where my family was in the cartage and coin op amusement business for eighty some odd years.
Now that we understand each other, how do you think that the POS Revenge ceo would have fared with this kind of behavior in Chicago, had the "right people" invested in his dream car?
Does the GTM have a trunk?
Ford.... CaptainJim is 100% right on.....!
The easy way around this, however, is to just issue new options at a "timely" post reverse split price. They can obviously do any self-serving deals that they like.
Good Morning JCMoney......!
With all due respect, there is nothing good at all about the reverse split in terms of how it affects those of us who are long term shareholders.
The Company will be left with all of the authorized shares remaining as treasury stock, and in my opinion has planned on selling a portion of these shares into a re-pump that will start contemporaneously with the introduction of the GTM. This re-pump will target new investors with a new story and will cite "growing pains" and a wide variety of other excuses as the reason for the ludicrous hose job they did on their original investor base. They will then, I believe, begin selling the higher priced shares while explaining that they need the money for development / production / marketing costs, etc to start getting their product out. Further, it will be interesting to see how many new post reverse split stock options are given out.
While we all knew of course that the Company was going to need more money soon, many of the "loyal longs" truly had faith that the funds would emerge as a result of a capital infusion from a partnership situation, or via another format of corporate finance.
While there was absolutely no need to crucify the existing shareholder base whatsoever, it was a quick and easy way to exponentially expand Revenge's access to cash from stock sales.
Sadly, the character and integrity of the ceo has remained constant throughout, with no thought at all to what is now going to happen to the people who gave him the dollars to start Company in the first place.
In my opinion based on more than 40 years in this business, there is no "good part" here for the "loyal longs", the PPS will begin to drop again after the reverse split is put to bed, and while I'm sure that at some point in time a stock in these circumstances did climb, I certainly don't remember one, and it would be a grossly aberrant circumstance when and if it happened in any meaningful way.
Simply put, I believe with every iota of my being that any faith which was placed in the ceo and his hand puppet has turned out to be nothing more than another handful of their human excrement rubbed in our faces. We have been used, abused and discarded.
However, as we all know……Karma is a bitch......!
Let me get this straight...we should WAIT and trust PC..???
And he has earned our trust HOW, exactly....?
And he told us the truth WHEN, exactly...?
And he's looked out for our interests.....EVER....?
Is there ONE thing that he's done to help us...?
I don’t think so…. Get a spine and grow a pair…!
We funded his company and he screwed us, plain and simple.
It would be insanity to the umpteenth degree to expect any sort of different behavior from him in the future.
The primary thrust of any action against him, exactly per the input of CaptainJim, has to be based on the recent obvious inside information based 200 million share + trades, which not only put some money in certain pockets, but diluted our reverse split leverage by at least 50%.
The RS will wipe out the existing shareholder base while the re-pump commences... and to you people here who thought that it couldn't get lower than $.0001, well get your HP scientific calculators ready, because they're in for a rockier ride than ever.
Know this...... the RVGD shareholders have been victimized, plain and simple and anyone who feels that the ceo has shown one ounce of integrity throughout the exercise obviously hasn't read and believed any of my posts over the past months and / or is simply living in a delusional fantasy-land.
I know precisely which methods that I'm going to utilize to address this situation and am going to proceed in a wholly legal and self-fulfilling manner.
In five minutes I'll be putting the top down on my new M6 and running over to the Greg Norman Shootout @ Tiburon to watch the leaders come in. I could care less what happens to my relatively tiny "investment" in this POS, but I most certainly will be addressing my concern about the Revenge ceo in what I believe to be the appropriate manner as we approach the holidays.
mr. Revenge ceo....KMFA
Karma is a bitch..........
Thanks for the surprise Emily...!
Thanks for the surprise ceo...!
Revenge has lied to the people wo made it possible from day 1
The ceo has used and abused good people, even as the body of believers eroded to almost zero
Karma is a bitch, govern yourselves accordingly
Why Can't We Get Direct Factual Information...??
To me it's just more continued disgust that we have to find stuff like this out from 3rd parties.
What is wrong with Revenge?
Why can't they simply tell us the truth?
Is there any reason on God's green earth we shouldn't be able to know how many shares of stock in OUR company that WE paid for are outstanding?
That being said, the Detroit Show is a big deal and a great venue!
JCMoney.....Thanks for the kind words!
I have lost all patience with the management of the Company.
They have demonstrated little if any management ability and the dollars that have been pumped in heretofore have in my opinion been wasted and most assuredly not utilized in the manner in which they were represented.
Further, and of most absolute importance to me is the shoddy and as far as I'm concerned near criminal manner in which they have obfuscated reality and wholly failed to deliver on virtually anything that they announced, mentioned or aluded to, as posted above on this board i.e.
NEW 5-6 YEAR CONTRACT WITH PONTIAC
In a recent interview, the CEO Peter Collorafi said that Pontiac is launching a brand new automobile and they are partnering with Revenge for the design of the Pontiac G8. Revenge is slated to begin production and sales of these cars in December, 2007.
and of course the infamous:
Revenge Designs, Inc. Processing Preliminary 4-Year, $80M Production Contract
Tuesday January 29, 2008 3:14 pm ET
followed by;
Revenge Designs, Inc. Provides Update
Monday April 7, 2008 4:00 pm ET
DECATUR, IN--(MARKET WIRE)--Apr 7, 2008 -- Revenge Designs, Inc. (Other OTC:RVGD.PK - News), a specialty car designer and production assembler, provides a corporate update to its shareholders.
The company would like to announce that it has received word from one of its suppliers that there has been a shipping delay in the delivery of parts needed to complete the vehicles for the photo shoot. This will cause a one day delay for photos weather permitting. The company will, however, release photos of the current production being done within the plant at the previously announced time tomorrow.
followed by:
Revenge Designs, Inc. Provides Update on Negotiations and Overall Structure in Moving the Company Forward
DECATUR, IN--(MARKET WIRE)--Apr 11, 2008 -- Revenge Designs, Inc. (Other OTC:RVGD.PK - News), a specialty car designer and production assembler, is pleased to provide its shareholders a letter from Peter Collorafi, Revenge Designs President and CEO. (followed by nin-applicable repeat of info already known, and then the following):
Revenge Designs is currently in negotiations with one of America's largest Dealer Networks. It is our objective to supply over the next four years 200 vehicles per year through participating Dealerships within this organization. Revenge Designs will also sell 50 personalized vehicles through its own location. MSRP for these vehicles will be $88,000 to $125,000 depending on the customers need for speed.
Although I have devoted more than six month on this project, details of the final participating Dealers and Suppliers will remain confidential until permission has been granted by those individuals. We are bound by certain non-disclosures and the company must honor these agreements.
As we have shown over the past few press releases, Revenge Designs, Inc. is the "REAL DEAL." We now occupy our own quality building and will be expanding our facility by constructing an additional adjacent facility. We employ qualified, team player, specialized tradesmen and have begun production and revenue generating operations in 2008.
No results from the big dealership network, no information due to "permission not being granted" and in the last paragraph, the comment about the new facility is an insult of course.
followed by:
Revenge Designs, Inc. Provides Shareholders Weekly Inside Access to Current Production Schedules
Tuesday June 10, 4:31 pm ET
DECATUR, IN--(MARKET WIRE)--Jun 10, 2008 -- Revenge Designs, Inc. (Other OTC:RVGD.PK - News), a specialty car designer and production assembler, provides a corporate update to its shareholders.
What production schedules? What information?
JCMoney, the recent fiasco involving the performance show coupled with the ludicrous lack of any kind of announcement regarding the simple "where and when" of the GTM introduction was like gas on the fire of shareholder disdain. This company wouldn't exist without our dollars and we've been treated like lepers by the primary beneficiary of our faith.
Today, when the quarter of a billion shares got dumped, I reached the end of my rope in terms of any degree of trust whatsoever.
When the ceo of the company we paid for allows full access to the transparency he promised, including total facilitation to transfer agent documentation (by the way, this is as easy for them as pushing some buttons) and then shows us records of what he did with our money, and provides the operating statements and balance sheet of our Company, then I may begin to regard him as something more than the low life scum I now regard him to be.
That's my opinion, and I hope that the material provided makes my opinion somewhat understandable.
The Company doesn't have to be a direct seller to be the beneficiary of the dollars received for the shares sold. They could have pledged the stock on a loan which was "foreclosed" on, paid it in a bonus to a hard worker who sold it and then lent the proceeds back to the Company, paid a consultant with the shares for future services (also maybe which include lending it back)...... there's no end to the potentially obtuse methodology here...
While all of the preceding are obviously nothing more than shabby ways of selling the stock to the MM's and then trying to "cute" their way out of the blame, there are many many ways for stock to converted to cash for the use of the Company.
By the way, the Transfer Agency will know exactly where the shares came from. If the CEO would like to demonstrate his clean hands and total lack of knowledge about the history of dilution, simply release the Transfer Agent from the Company imposed communicational shackles and let some representative shareholders have a conference call with them.... easy stuff for an honest man (like mr ceo represents himslf to be) to do, particularly if his personal credibility and integrity is at stake yet again, so let's just do that one simple thing, ok mr, ceo..........!
Sad but most probably 100% true.....
Likely Scenario (in my opinion, anyway):
The Company sells several truckloads of cheap stock to the MM's in the understanding that the well oiled and often used Revenge Shareholder Manipulation Machine will soon be fueled with the introduction of the world super car GTM that they've paid for the pleasure of waiting on for months now.
The MM's, always eager to make a quick double (at a minimum), get together, like what the Company has told them and box the stock to buy only shares from the Company. Things get sooooo messy when you have to deal with actual retail business during these delicate moments.
The Company then announces / releases, call it what you will, the new Revenge GTM supercar, and while doing that concocts and releases some more patent jive BS to yet again feed us to re-bump the POS PPS.
Emily tells us everything is great, and to keep on being patient and wait for the big day. She is just a young new employee after all, and can't be expected to tell us anything besides what the Company tells her to. In an office campus environment as vast as RVGD Central in Decatur freakin' Indiana, there's no way she would know about anything else due to the sheer expansiveness of the facility and metaphoric acres of separation between her and the CEO, it's a total physical impossibility right??
For that matter, I believe that the two preceding public links to the Company, PR Guy A (Brian?) and PR Guy B (Chad?) apparently operated on exactly the same premise. They were just following orders. Now that I think about it, the "just following orders" thing is what got a lot of German officers hung after the Nuremburg trials, but perhaps that's just my fading memory kicking in again, but maybe sometimes it's a pretty good idea to question authority and insinuate some personal integrity into the day whilst one contemplates one's potential problematic career altering issues of severe ethical implosion downstream.
Of interest, is that maybe, just maybe, the reason that the "real and qualified" PR firm and Revenge never did the deal with is that there was a bit more going on than we may have known. After all, the "real" PR firm, Equiti-trend Advisors LLC, knows that a reputation is all that counts for a new company in a perception business, and that hanging their name on an outfit like Revenge may not have appealed to them after they got to know the inner workings a little better, then again, who really knows anything about the CEO, what's going on in the Company or what to believe, if anything.
Just for fun, what has the Company told us so far that ended up being true or happening?
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I sure hope that thoughts like this after the silly little stock slaughter today don't make me persona non grata at the annual meeting.... oh wait a minute, never mind, Revenge don’t need no steenkin’ meeting and they don’t need to tell no steenkin’ shareholders squat, after all, they’re Revenge Designs Inc, where they don’t design much but new and exciting methods of shareholder devastation through massive unexplained dilution.
In conclusion, the reasons that "our" CEO left Australia, per the purported Aussie posters some time back haven't ended up being too far off the mark now that I think about it.
And by the way Mr. CEO…….. karma is a bitch
Sounds about right....!
How long before the A/S goes to 5 Billion (or the R/S Happens)..?
The sad part here is even more disgusting...!
The shareholders are going down the toilet faster than ever, because they're going to have to take it where the sun doesn't shine and then keep on hoping while being told to "be patient".
What will the Company's lying POS excuse be this time?
Just when you think that it couldn't get worse....!
Why on earth would the Company think that the "fact" that a subcontractor that THEY hired and trusted to get an important job done failed to deliver makes their hands clean?
If the job wasn't done right and on time, then it absolutely 100% reflects on the business judgment and fundamental management ability of Revenge.... period. Sadly, I’ve come to believe that RVGD just doesn’t “get it” except when it comes to massive dilution, of course.
Revenge is a walking, talking poster child for abject failure when it comes to delivering on their announcements & promises, i.e. BS $80 mil "contracts" that weren't, an offering to erect a building that we were chastised for delaying that actually was never happening in the first place, promised production schedules that were never released, transparency and of course, simple financials that have never appeared!
We know our legs are getting wet and we also know that its not raining, how much more garbage are we going to be fed before the "ceo" of the Company keeps his word for a change? Personal integrity counts, but apparently not when it comes to the Company we funded, obviously, because we have been dealt with in a wholly disgusting, contemptuous, disrespectful and disdainful manner, and yet are invariably asked to "have faith" and "be patient" while they continue to refuse to even tell shareholders where and when the "surprise announcement" is going to happen.
WHAT IS RVGD AFRAID OF???, and in no way parrot back the often mentioned "everybody will call people to check", because that situation is a result of the ‘mushroom treatment” we’ve suffered so far.
Maybe RVGD management just doesn't want a lot of shareholders in close proximity..... an interesting and very understandable concern for them considering how we've been treated….. that actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it….. Would any of us here want to be the Revenge ceo with a group of abused I-hubbers / shareholders surrounding him and finally demanding answers… and in person this time…?
Paybacks are hell, guys…!
As long as the share availability is as fluid as it is at this time, then the MM's can and will do absolutely whatever they please.
This is what they do for a living and they're much better at it than the normal investor is, it’s just that simple
My belief is that as long as there are still shares available under the A/S number that the MM's will have all the cheap shares that they'll need available directly from the Company.
There's an old joke about the novice investor who calls his broker and buys some shares in a penny stock. The next day, the stock is up, so he buys a little more. The third day, the stock is up again, and he buys even more. The fourth day, the stock has gone up so high that the investor tells his broker to sell some of his position, to which to broker replies "to who?" Right now, I believe that we’ve been the only “who”.
The believe that the current “old shareholder base” of RVGD now constitutes just about all the buyers.
I believe that the Company has been a consistent seller.
Therefore, if there is ever going to be a true "market" for RVGD shares, it will have to be built on the dollars of new buyers who become involved after basing their investment decisions on what they perceive is going to happen moving forward.
Unfortunately, because of the obvious disdain and lack of both transparency & credibility that RVGD management has historically demonstrated, it will be interesting to see when these new shareholders may choose to become involved, as well as what information they may seek prior to doing so.
My often mentioned belief is that the GTM introduction MUST be followed by credible operational and documented positive sales and financial performance before any significant new investor dollar influx can reasonably be expected to emerge and affect the long dismal PPS.
Today, Honda, in a totally unexpected move, dropped out of F1 after decades of involvement.
Today, Audi, in a totally unexpected move, dropped out of ALM after always being a strong presence.
There's a strong message in those two preceding announcements, and it's not about how well things are going in the car biz, even at the manufacturers who are still profitable.
While I recognize that there always has been and always will be a niche for the “super-car” market, this isn’t the best time to be looking for investment in any automobile company, much the less a start-up with the investor relations track record that RVGD has.
If the stock is going to ever move past the well established $.0004 bid barrier, then many, many things have to happen, and the Company’s interests will best be served by starting to do things right sooner rather than later. Today is never too early to start.
We're in full accord....!
Have a great day all................
eye_ater.... we're of a mind if not a time..... let's hug it out....lol!
Dog....ROFLMAO....!!
I totally disagree with you eye_ater.....
If they had told us what they say they would all along, they wouldn't have any issues such as this.
The entire issue of low credibility is wholly of their own making, so maybe they might like to take the opportunity to do something the right way for a change in regards to the people who funded the Company.
If we knew the simple "where and when", there would be nothing to call them about....simple stuff..... and nothing but a positive for the Company.
I've traded for more than 40 years, and I'm not naive, just amazed at the total disdain that this Company has shown for it's shareholders.
This would be an opportunity to start the relationship over.... on the right foot this time... and secure the long term support of all the people they owe the culmination of their dreams to.
"Where and When?" .... it shouldn't be a tough question, and it only has a positive side
That doesn't make sense, eye_ater...
If we knew where and when, there's be nothing to ask any venue.... the venues have no idea about much except that a company is exhibiting or announcing, and not much else.... there would simply be no purpose to even call, and I have to think that every poster here knows that.... it's simple stuff
The shareholders aren't dumb, but don't you think that they deserve to know a simple "where and when"...????
Re: GTM Introduction Venue.......
Is there any reason that anybody can think of why the venue for the December GTM introduction couldn't be announced to the shareholders?
That would serve several purposes:
It would help to somewhat alleviate a great deal of shareholder anxiety
It would sure stop some of the "bugging" calls & emails that the Company is evidently so troubled about
It would allow the loyal shareholder base time to plan on making a trip to see it.... December is a rough travel time, and the more notice we have, the easier it would be to arrange things
So, what's to stop the Company from simply letting it's owners know where and when the introduction will be coming? They told us that the venue was already booked some time back, so they absolutely have to know the dates, times and places.
When and Where, Revenge....??? It's in your court, and it's time to do something FOR your shareholders for a change besides sell them stock....... fair is fair, and you most assuredly do owe something to the people who made this Company possible.
This is a simple question (even if it has two parts):
When and Where...??????
Ol' Dale couldn't have said it any better....spot on!
ahdioyoda.... very very weak, you know better.....!
All of us know very well that we were hosed by the press releases and are counting on good things happening post-introduction of the GTM.
You perform no service for yourself or anyone this board when you write about how the PR's were 'mis-read". They weren't.
How has that promise keeping thing been working out so far?
Ford, I say this to you with the utmost of respect, but counting on the Company to keep a promise is much more of a gamble than any prudent investor should ever choose to take.
I'd prefer to think that the absorption of Revenge into a more organized and business-savvy entity will be the outcome, which would leave the current CEO free to do what he does best.... maybe back in the R&D Dept.. because we all know by now that his supposed strength is in that arena, and most assuredly NOT in running a public company properly.
Past Promises:
Contracts
Transparency
Financials
A Building
Production Schedules
I'm staying positive and waiting for the stock to get some stimulation, and I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in any promise that may come out of the CEO's mouth.
Some performance might be nice for a change, though, and I mean performance in something other than continued dilution of the O/S.
Wow.... very very good one....!
my compliments!
annnnnnd in response,
if Peter had simply dealt with the shareholder base that put him in the position he's in now on an honest, straightforward and reasonably timely basis, then he wouldn't have all the calls and emails that he deems unimportant enough to respond to right now..... this street goes both ways, and never forget it
The level of personal insult from this “CEO” … (yeah, right) is beyond the ridiculous... perhaps it should be more like this:
"Ok, Ok, I puffed up an $80mil "contract" because I had to get the PPO done, I fudged the production schedule, I really didn't "design" all the stuff on the website, I kidded you a little about the building permit fiasco, I diluted the living beejesus out of the stock, I'm way off the schedule I gave you when I really needed your money, I haven't done squat about the transparency I promised you, but when will you guys start trusting me and stop all those bothersome and inquisitive calls, who do you think you are, anyway?"
How much more realistic would that have been...... ?
And all he had to do from Day 1 was simply tell the truth…. What’s out there that we don’t know about that makes him so obviously afraid to communicate with the very people that have given it all to him?
The Big 3 (at least for the time being)...aren't the answer....!
None of the big three have ever gone outside their own sphere of creative influence to insinuate any other kind of NIH (not invented here) vehicle into their product mix.
Chevy is most certainly not going to take on competition to it's new "king of the hill" $100k supercharged monster Vette, Ford has already allocated a significant budget to the expanded Shelby series, Chrysler isn't going to dump tooling etc of the Viper in any way, and on a logical basis, what major car company is going to significantly align itself with a start-up with capitol Z Zero track record when they're already starting to dump their super image high profile Nascar vehicles?
If, in anyones wildest imagination, they can look at themselves in the mirror and say "hey, I'll bet that a big 3 company is going to bring a FFR kit car into their product mix, and better yet, they're going to do it in competition with their own similar price pointed cars, then they're being delusional.
When and if (and at this point today, the "if" seems bigger than ever) a formal relationship of some kind evolves, it will be a more logical one that expands gradually over a period of time to allow Revenge to actually maybe start manufacturing some cars instead of designing some prototypes and see if they can do what their historically flawed PR's say that they can.
Further, what kind of response does anyone think that the banks or brokerage houses are going to have to the entire funding concept of a new "never done it before" car company in our current dire financial environment?
It's reality check time, and the Company didn't do us any favors today as they continue to use and abuse their shareholder base at will.
That about sums it up in my opinion, Dog...!
"CaptainJim".... I again agree with you 100%...!
Might you now agree that my ongoing requests for transparency and management communication may have been valid ones?
It's just too easy to do things right to have something like this happening for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
This Company needed to do nothing but communicate in an honest and straightforward manner throughout the ongoing developmental exercise and it would have won the respect and full support of it's loyal shareholder base.
Regardless of what has transpired on any operational or financial basis, the continued insult that Revenge management's lack of sincere communication has provided is unconscionable, unnecessary and disgusting.
Bad business karma is the very worst kind, RVGD.... govern yourselves accordingly
Apparently It's Still "Just No!" Time @ RVGD...
No $80 mil contracts happening anytime soon
No stop to the dilution by the Company
No transparency as promised
No production schedules
No financials
No building
And the absolute very worst and most insulting of all.......
No sense of accountability, responsibility or support of the
shareholders who have made his dream come true
Another Shareholder "Misunderstanding"....?
The upcoming show in Orlando, according to the most recent RVGD website update, will feature a prominently displayed 2006 Revenge GTO with 800 horsepower.
I cannot believe that the Company will not utilize this available forum in this time frame not to introduce the GTM that has been the primary focal point for the past year. Maybe they’re going to do a ‘surprise Revenge GTM unveiling!
It is not possible for the shareholder base to have somehow "misunderstood" the situation yet again. (sheesh, there are even t-shirts confirming things this time, and if we can't believe a t-shirt, then what's left, anyway?)
If SEMA wasn't a high profile enough venue for the Revenge GTM introduction, and this show in Orlando (it's announced as the biggest racing trade show, with 1,400 exhibitors) isn't going to be it either, then what's left in December that's bigger, better and can draw more publicity for the Revenge GTM intro?
I think that the projected billion is wildly improbable....
On the other hand there's no comparing the efficacy of their PR and their choice of high profile affiliations. DuPont is the 800# gorilla in their market segment and Frigette is 90 years old, a well established and respected name with 170,000 points of reality in its distribution network.
Nobody can tell anything about what's going to happen here, but RNNM has clearly done a superior job of PR so far, and in the investment marketplace, 'perception is everything".
Say what we will about what we think is going to happen or not, but they have a market cap just about 300 times that of RVGD, and that's no accident, they just did it better than Revenge did.
Maybe their cars will start catching on fire like the Vector did in Andre Aggasi's driveway!
Perceived Credibility.... simple as that
Ronn is showing it's 1st car with one of its partners, The DuPont Registry at SEMA.
They've cut a deal with SCS Frigette, (a real company started around 90 years ago with 450 employees, high 8 figure sales)to distribute their "injection system" to their more than 170,000 strong client base. SCS Frigette projects doing around a billion dollars of sales in the product over the next 4 or 5 years. To me that sounds wildly optimistic.
Maybe the relationships with DuPont Registry and SCS Frigette will never do the billion bucks, but one thing that Ronn has done is to publicly align themselves with known players in the automotive field, announce that to the world, get great feedback from those relationships and in the process, gain credibility (to at least some degree) with the investment community.
So, they do have a car, they're at SEMA, their stock trades almost 50,000 shares a day at a real price, they have actual research coverage through Pechala, and they have glommed some serious credibility points.
Who knows how real any of this is or will be? It may be a total scam company for all we know, but some folks in the business think that it’s for real right now, and that's why the stock is where it is.
While Revenge can be seen to be a competitor, their credibility has taken a super whacking for all the reasons that we know so well.
Establishing fundamental credibility is Revenge’s job 1, and the challenges in doing that are by and large of the Company’s own wholly unnecessary creation.
1st Time Ever...FFR GTM Sale!
For the 1st time since they began selling the GTM, FFR is offering a discount ($2,000) on a limited number of kits (per the GTM board, they have 100 @ this price).
One way of looking at this is that, just as in the auto industry in general, cars are commonly discounted just before a new model is coming out, which may imply a re-designed GTM.
I wonder if such a "new" model GTM would incorporate any of the accomodative structural and / or body / frame engineering innovations that Revenge has been working on.
I would see this as a major positive for the Revenge & Factory Five Racing combination if it is indeed something that's in the works.
This is wholly speculation of course, and FFR is discounting across the board, but the timing is certainly propitious, and a re-engineered body / frame system to accommodate the improvements that Revenge has been working on would represent a nice commitment from a logical partner.
Nor did I suggest in any manner whatsoever that they did.
I believe that the pic is of the GTM that FF5 had at SEMA, so what?
That's all.... nothing implied, nothing hypothesized, just nothing else at all.
There's no big deal about much anything at all, this was a photoshop discussion in response to a prior post.
Please don't read anything into a simple statement that just isn't there.
And please don't try to re-characterize or re-interpret my post in an accusatory manner about RVGD, that just doesn't get anybody anywhere, particularly about something that didn't happen.
I believe that everyones' best interests here are served by focusing on the PPS potential of the GTM release and not picking ridiculous squabbles about absolutely nothing of any substance whatsoever.
I agree that it was photoshopped of course, but that's almost the very exact GTM that FF5 had at SEMA last year, in fact I'd bet that it is the same FF5 car that was ps'd
I agree with you wholeheartedly.....and FWIW, that’s a first
It's difficult for me to understand why the US's foremost opportunity to introduce a new auto product would apparently be thoroughly ignored. Perhaps something involving Revenge will happen during the week.
The Company makes it very difficult to anticipate good things from when it comes to actual operations downstream if this SEMA situation is any example.
It's one thing to make a couple of nice cars, but the entire finance, manufacturing, assembly, sales and marketing matrix scares me to death in terms of a significant long term future success story here.
As I've said on too many occasions already, there's a whole lot of reasons just about all new auto manufacturers / assemblers fail, and very little that Revenge has done so far has done much of anything to make me believe that they're going to be that different.
Let's hope that the pending Revenge GTM introduction is impactive enough to make a big difference.
It's kind of interesting that a car with virtually no miles on it and a really long story that goes along with it is for sale in Fenton (a St. Louis suburb as I recall) at an exotic car dealer, per the following:
2006 PONTIAC GTO
Mot xotica is proud to offer the ultimate 2006 Pontiac GTO. This Revenge Edition GTO is a supercharged, 560 horsepower monster that is brand new. The car is being sold on the MSO and has never been titled. This complete package consists of body kit, huge brakes, 20" wheels and tires, Magna Supercharge, Corsa exhaust and it comes with a 3 year 36,000 mile warranty from GM! The man behind Revenge Designs is Mr. Peter Collorafi. He is a car designer from Queensland, Australia. Peter has been designing and installing modifications for factory produced vehicles since 1980. For the past seven years Peter and his son Justin have worked with GM Holden on the Monaro creating mild performance and award winning styling modification packages. Because of Peter's background and experience, he realized that some of the Pontiac enthusiasts would not accept the Monaro as the new Pontiac GTO. As a result Peter and Justin set out to find a way to enhance the GTO design. In July of 2005 Peter met with the new owner of Lingenfelter performance engineering. As a result of the late Mr. John Lingenfelter losing his life due to a tragic racing accident they decided to accent the Lingenfelter racing legacy with a limited Edition Pontiac GTO. In March of 2007 Peter, his son Justin and all their staff were rewarded for all there hard work and long hours by being awarded by GM at the SEMA Spring Expo in Atlanta, Georgia " Best Exterior Design for Passenger Car or Truck". October 2007 Peter Collorafi took Revenge Designs to the next level. He acquired a non trading Pink Sheets company and shortly after received the trading symbol RVGD. This enabled the company to raise capitol with share holder market awareness. Late 2007 Revenge Designs Inc purchased its own facility and now in 2008 is looking to expand that facility to enhance production. Revenge re-worked the exterior of these cars by re-rolling the front fenders out two inches and rear fenders out four inches. Also to complete the wide body styling, M Plastic fender extensions were designed and fitted as per original factory parts. A new front facia was added which includes a more prominent air intake and lower hexagonal grill insert. Four projector style driving fog lamps are set in with the flowing fender extensions that incorporates in to the vented rocker sills. As much as the front is the soul of the car, the rear incorporates a visual presence like no other. The trunk lid reveals an rodynamic style real wing and carbon fiber garnish number plate insert. New mirrors were also added and are glare reducing sports wide view mirrors with integral turn signals. The car comes with a 3 year, 36,000 mile warranty through GM from when purchased new. Revenge is an approved GM upfitter and this version is licensed by Pontiac Motor Division. MSRP for this car is $56,000 but is being offered now for considerably less. The current mileage on the car shows only 145 miles and the VIN number is 6G2VX12U66L815373. Inside, it is mainly stock GTO. The leather bucket seats in front with large side bolsters hold you in your seat through the tight turns and looks great. The leather wrapped steering wheel with red stitching is a nice touch and accents the red face gauges in the dash. The design of this car helped them win the " Best Overall Exterior Design / Passenger Car or Truck " at the 2007 Sema Spring Expo in Atlanta GA and placed third for "Best Domestic Mild" at the 2007 DUB Autoshow & Concert in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Under the hood is where this GTO transforms itself from a stock driver to the 560 horsepower monster it is thanks to the Magnuson/Eaton Model MP112 supercharger. This 4th Generation supercharger is a "State of the Art" supercharger, engineered for 4.8 to 6.0 litre passenger cars and light truck engines. It was designed as a compact, flexible supercharger for increased power with original equipment quietness and reliability without adversely affecting fuel economy. The M112 has proven itself in a number of original equipment and aftermarket applications on a variety of engine sizes. This latest version has taken this versatility to the next level with "S Port" technology and a built in bypass for unparalleled performance. Coupled with this is a custom cold air intake system which feeds cold air into the system for optimal horsepower. The sound of the car is incredible coming out of the dual rectangular "big bore" exhaust ends. The complete polished, dual stainless steel Corsa exhaust system really makes this car come to life. The car sits on custom made Revenge 20" wheels that are wrapped with 245/35/20 Pirelli tires all around. Behind these monster wheels are 13.5" slotted rotors in the front and 12.4" slotted rotors in the rear with 4 piston calipers mounted to both. This car will out stop any GTO on the road.
Price: $49,995.
Call MotoeXotica Classic Cars
636-600-4600 FENTON, MO
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I'd be guessing, but would have to think that the vehicle was either on consignment or they bought it directly from Revenge. I believe that NASCAR drivers Rusty Wallace and Ken Schrader live in Fenton also.
The real problem here is that so much information about the Company has been either vague or else we're told that we misinterpreted it, so that when something with tangible hands-on actual "checkability" comes along, we over-react to try and gain some insight into what's going on, so the only real benefit would be in getting some solid objective information, because the sources that it should be coming from don't see fit to keep the shareholder base in the loop.
The information would be regarding who is selling the vehicle and therefore we'd have some idea where the money is going.
I'd hate to learn that Company owned cars were being sold without the Company financially benefitting, but because Revenge has always been this way in regard to information, maybe dribbles of factual info here and there are all we're going to get.
Amen to that sentiment, excellent advice "3 The Intimidator", and I bet ol' Dale would have said the same!