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So what we are saying tonight as I check in looking forward to a good week of NFL football Saturday and Sunday is:
GoodKarma is Megas and the SEC is about to bring charges against Megas and Megas was lying about filing soon.
NPO My feeling is Ameritrade is responsible for making sure that we recieve real shares when we buy through them. That their job and that is why they collect a fee from us after every trade. Ameritrade thinks otherwise.
Now I feel that I am entitled to the share price the day before Amritraded prevented us from selling our shares...like 4 cents.
I am trying to get answers via the SEC and NASD as far as my rights.
Also, I am trying to get this most important question answered by someone or anyone. That is who covered the fake shares (I sold some) that I sold a few days prior to the Ameritrade/SEC halt.
I think in the long run I will end up going through Arbitration with Amritrade for 4 cents a share payout.
Everyone I just call the Division of Market Regulation at 202-551-5777 of the SEC. He pass the buck on to the Division of Investor Education. He said he would call me back with the contact for the Investor Education Department. I got the poor guy all worked up it was great.
My mission is to get the following answers
Ask why the Buy in Regulation were suspended.
Ask what will it take to get them unsuspended.
Tell them we will not be satisfied with the dilution of the stock to make the fake shares real.
I hope other investors will do the same we need to keep the pressure up.
I will post the Investor Education department number when I get it.
Arkait we are in the right, but I have no faith in the SEC. Absolute Zero
Ameritrade Users. FYI I had a problem with my Margain Account yestrday and while talking with the Rep about general policy she told me that its policy that you will always be able to close out any long position. I said oh really. I asked are you 100% sure that is policy, you mean if I own somthing long and the stock is still trading (not halted by SEC) I would be able to sell regardless. She said yes definitly.
I laughed and said I would like that in writing. She said you would have to submit an email first. I then said well I guess you never heard of BCIT.
I was then transfered to her manager, which was required to fix my Margain Account problem. I told him what the first Rep told me about Ameritrade close out policy. He said that BCIT was a special case.....blah blah blah.
He told me that Ameritrade could not allow sells because then those buying those sold shares would be purchasing counterfit shares so they were acting for the benefit of future customers.
I said that pure BS...To fix that problem just allow sells and no buying like the policy with CMKX and others. He then told me he doesn't want to get into the politics of BCIT
I asked him who covered the shares that were sold days before the Ameritrade internal halt ( As I sold some fake shares a few days before and I got my funds) He said he would not even try to guess.
I told him it was Ameritrade and they pulled this stunt because they new that they were in big big trouble. That BCIT would of continued to rise and Ameritrade would of have to pay out of pocked (DTC were not backing shares anymore) for selling trades.
Bottom Line for me is this:
The more I talk to Ameritrade the more I feel I have a great case against them. If this turns out were I can't sell my shares above the price prior to the Ameritrad Halt 4 or 5 cents I will take them to court and I like my chances of getting 4 or 5 cents for my shares.
Jim or Janice I will be expecting a post that will some how rain down on taking the brokers to court.
SYCI- WTF tried buying through Ameritrade this morning and the message came up taking no open positions contact margain department. What is the deal with Ameritrad and SYCI, they short on this?
Anyone here from Megas lately, I sent him an email last week and for the first time he did not reply back.
Naked Shorting is the biggest fraud in American Histroy in terms of dollars lost to the American Public. No arguing that point.
Janice why do you always have somthing negative to say about those who speakout against naked shorting. Facts that this is a huge huge problem its very very real.
Anybody who is trying to right this wrong is a hero in my book.
Anybody listen to Bud Burrell interview regarding naked shorting on CFRN. Pretty Powerful Stuff. Anybody who downplays naked short selling is either a fool or is out to protect their own intrests. IMHO
The shares are real and fake. They are counterfit shares that need to be removed from the market, however the value of those shares when this happens is real.
agree with Patrick Byrne, who said that when we look back at this we are going to say, "all the evidence was there, all along, and a few guys spelled it out in impossible to misunderstand language, and the regulators, and the government, stood by and did nothing, feigning innocence and ignorance."
Sounds like you Janice downplaying everything regarding naked shorting.
Great Read
Wednesday, November 30, 2005
The NASAA Conference - My Take
I listened with interest to the proceedings today, moderated by Ralph Lambiaste, which sought to discuss and probe the naked short selling problem in the markets. Here's my take:
First, bravo to Ralph for introducing a sense of humor to the event, and for asking the tough questions. Here are my takeaways:
1) All the regulators all say that they are aggressively investigating, pursuing, monitoring and regulating, and that they are enforcing the rules. Richard Shapiro summed this up best: "Where is the enforcement?" He noted that we hear all the rhetoric from these guys, but the important data is kept secret, and there is no evidence that any of them are doing anything. One of the other panelists noted "there is no such thing as an innocent fail" - and I agree. There isn't. And all of these guys know it.
2) My take on this was echoed by all of the academics: We need to know what the fails are in order to trust the system. We need transparency, and the reason that the DTCC provides to us for not providing transparency is that they have passed a rule against it. The fails to deliver problem is of unknown size, and the consensus was that investors deserve to know how large it is, by company, and in the aggregate for the market.
3) Voting rights are destroyed by FTDs, and the process by which shareholders have lost their "one share, one vote" rights is a disgrace.
4) The agreement was that the reason that the DTCC and the SEC don't tell anyone what the size of the FTD problem is is because there would be a collapse in faith in the markets.
5) The SEC's position was that they welcomed comments about SHO, and would carefully consider any during their next review. Presumably they would carefully review those comments in the same way that they did in 2004, and then disregard them, as they did the first time around. This was talking head bureaucratese of the first order, IMO, and nobody was fooled.
6) A legitimately shorted share, borrowed and then delivered to the new buyer, can then be relent to another short seller by the new buyer's broker - there is no limit. Contrary to all the rhetoric from my many critics, that take was verified as correct.
7) The SEC's Brigagliano said that the grandfathered fails were roughly 4% of the total market - in terms of number of companies where grandfathering was done. Nobody asked the obvious question - what was the total dollars that represented, for which no deliveries had been made, or ever would. If 4% of the many trillions per year, we have a colossal, centi-billion dollar problem.
8) The panel seems to get it. They were clear that the lack of transparency was the largest problem, and that secrecy benefited nobody but the manipulators. The SEC made hollow-sounding assurances of regulatory enforcement, which were handily dealt with by Shapiro's cutting statements, and Lambiase's simple, "I was under the impression that there had only been 3 over the last 10 years." No rebuttal was articulated.
9) The same, tired, "grandfathering doesn't provide amnesty from enforcement actions" dross we have heard for a year now from the SEC - nobody said it did, Jimbo. What we've been saying is that it does give a vacation from having to cover those fraudulently transacted, non-delivered trades, and allows the short sellers to keep the profits from driving companies into the dirt - that was grudgingly conceded by the regulators. After much dancing around, they admitted as much. That's why you don't see the DTCC or the SEC doing these in open forums - it's hard to argue against the obvious truth when it is presented by knowledgeable folks who you can't snow.
10) Ralph was flabbergasted over the voting rights abuse - his statement was, "we've fought wars to protect the right to vote". Correct. We have. But we can't get Wall Street to stop abusing the American public. Ironic, no?
11) There was much discussion over the tax implications of leaving short positions open in perpetuity, which ignores that if the shorting occurred from offshore accounts any profits are tax exempt - offshore investors don't pay capital gains tax.
12) Equivalently, there was discussion about the foreign exchange listings - in which the regulators dutifully addressed their own straw man contention that naked short selling was being conducted there, and happily ignored that nobody was making that claim - it's an arbitrage game, stupid.
13.) Some discussion about ex-clearing shenanigans was discussed, but unfortunately the one big one - wherein brokers not only lend each other shares, but enter IOUs on their back office ledgers instead of demanding delivery, or buying in the fail - wasn't. That is no surprise.
Here are my takeaways: Everything you've read here and on NCANS is solidly based in fact - it was all confirmed by the panel. The system doesn't punish those who use naked short selling as a manipulative practice, an endless supply of legitimate shorts can be created by the system via re-loaning stock from margin accounts, naked shorts are a huge problem concentrated in a small number of stocks, there is no plausible reason that the FTD info shouldn't be public, the SEC and NASD and NYSE, for all their bluster, have no real impact on the problem (there was, as always, much discussion of "studying the matter further" and being "receptive to input", with the best line going to the guy who pointed out that they are taking a "Giulliani approach of ticketing small infractions"), there are no meaningful penalties for FTD'ing like crazy, there are huge inequities in the reporting system which favor short sellers and market manipulators, and everyone of any substance in the business knows this. All of it. And is doing nothing.
Surprised that the NASAA panel confirmed virtually every statement made here, that has been dismissed as silliness by the quisling media and the hedge fund apologists?
You shouldn't be.
I agree with Patrick Byrne, who said that when we look back at this we are going to say, "all the evidence was there, all along, and a few guys spelled it out in impossible to misunderstand language, and the regulators, and the government, stood by and did nothing, feigning innocence and ignorance."
The SEC guy predictably tried to underscore what a small problem this is, purposefully ignoring the observation that the FTDs were concentrated in a very small number of companies. Just pretended he didn't hear it. Also sort of blah blah blah'd over the direct question Ralph framed over how companies could exist on the Reg SHO list for a year if any of the rules were being enforced - he committed to being willing to study it more, which is SEC-speak for do nothing.
Ralph Lambiase deserves tremendous credit for being willing to tackle this. I have no doubt that he will be personally attacked sooner rather than later, and the panel's statements distorted, mocked, or ignored. That's how this system protects itself.
The positive is that now the problem has been validated by as august a body of academics and specialists as one could desire - it isn't all in my head, and yes, you should be worried.
The solutions for what should be done were best framed by Professor Finnerty: Tell us the size of the problem, and force settlement in a reasonable time. This isn't rocket science.
Settle the trades. And don't lie to us.
Bravo panel, and bravo Ralph Lambiase, my new favorite for regulator/lawmaker of the decade. In the 80's it was a tie between Giullani and Ed Gray, in the 90's Giullani had it locked, and for the millennium, we have Ralph Lambiase - Spitzer is all show, no substance, and pretends to be ignorant of what was shown today to be a pervasive fraudulent practice embraced by Wall Street. For my money, Lambiase had it cold.
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Robert Greene is a dead end. He will be no help what so ever. I have talked to him before.
Ummmmm. The SEC can not comment on any investigations blah blah blah.
The SEC can only delist a stock and if BCIT was delisted it would show up on their website.
WTF Ameritrade is showing O
Enforcement against fraud is the essence of what NASAA's members do -- to protect investors and to appropriately sanction and punish those who would harm or defraud investors.
Given both the important role financial markets play and the growing numbers of individuals turning to the markets for their long-term financial goals, it is imperative that more resources are focused on enforcement. NASAA urges state legislatures to strengthen enforcement resources for securities regulators. State and federal prosecutors relay on local securities agencies for expertise and guidance, help and support. To continue delivering this vital support, state securities regulators need additional staffing and resources in order to continue to attract and retain highly qualified personnel.
NASAA assists states in coordinating enforcement efforts regarding multi-state frauds by facilitating the sharing of information and leveraging the resources of the states more efficiently. NASAA’s Enforcement Section acts as a point of contact for other federal agencies and the self-regulatory organizations, such as the SEC, the FBI, the Postal Inspectors, the NASD, and the NYSE; and helps identify new fraud trends.
The big problem is the SEC can just sit on this and thats what they are doing. You ask them questions about BCIT and they fall back on we can't comment on an ongoing investigation. There is no real pressure on them to wrap this up.
OT CMKX many rumors regarding cash settlement from various sources. Very intresting indeed. This stock will not die, where their is smoke their is fire?
What I don't understand is the OS is 700 billion shares, UC was dumping while he claimed he was buying and now Frizzy is working for the task force now. Very strange, at one point Frizzy was ready to call UC out.
Janice how so? Must of missed that
OT: DTC and CMKX
Disclaimer I am a CMKX shareholder own 17 million shares left. I bought 100 million shares originally at 0.0001 sold some on the rise to 0.0012 bought more and sold more throughout its crazy life.
I think UC is a criminal and needs to go to jail. That said CMKX could make history and do more damage to the DTC then anyone. I think making significant money on CMKX is over but they are in a position now that no stock in the history of the market is in.
They are revoked, they have a huge unified shareholder base and all these shares are frozen in time and if the cert pull is successfull can you imagine what the ramifications will be.
The DTC is pushing for a paperless market so they can once and for all cover their tracks. This would be a death blow for that and for those claiming naked shorting is a fantasy.
Now I know Jim, Janice and other will say no way thats crazy until they are blue in the face.
But think about this there are hundreds of off shore hedge funds all competing to make money. The number of these hedge funds has exploded the last 5 years and the greed on some of these hedge funds is enormous. You can't tell me that not 1 hedge fund would not be attracted to CMKX. Come on almost unlimited dilution, they knew UC would never file becuase 1.) he kept poor records or even no records and 2.) he would incriminate himself. Again I would be shocked if not one or more then one of these hedge fund did not jumped at this golden opportunity.
Now if the OS is 700 billion and they find out there is 800, 900 billion or even 1 trillion, 1.2 trillion, 1.4 trillion shares etc then man the shittt will hit the fan.
The one thing that puzzles me however is the volume. The volume doesn't support a big short position the volume doesn't even support an OS/Float of 700 billion shares. I mean for the last 6 months the average daily volume was no more then 1 billion shares a day that is less the 0.5% of the OS/Float. That makes no sense on a heavy traded stock like CMKX. I would expect 10-20 billion shares traded on average per day. Especially when people know that it was going to be revoked soon.
Well anyway we will know soon enough, most likely in 3 months. I did my part and just got my CERT.
Stocktoastcrunch 100% agree, the DTCC is pure Hell. The amount of corruption that goes on their is mind boggling and the SEC does nothing. The SEC is the DTCC biaaaaaach.
The thing that I don't understand is why the Media doesn't blow this problem up. It will happen but geeesh its taken longer then I thought.
Once BCIT files we will have a situation where there are 100 of million of shares (short) where there should be only 1 million.
Then the ball fall with the SEC will they follow their own rules or screw the people they are employed to protect.
Regulation SHO helps.
We are real shareholder in the eyes of the Market because BCIT had a tradeable float whether that was 1 share or 10000000000 shares it does not matter.
Stocktoastcrunch do you think we meet those buy in conditions once we are reporting.
From Art Email....That will take longer than pamela thinks since the sec have to trawl through all the fog and crap they have thrown up in their unexpected retreat.
UNEXPECTED RETREAT what does that mean? Anyone...come on Janice or Lance.
Also from Megas
"am still soldiering on. I think the whole mess will be lanced first week December as a guide."
I asked him how he is holding up.
MONEYMADE are you bipolar?
All I know is that all these emails are coming out vindicating Megas. All might be proven true. However, he did go to the SEC first to me thats not the actons of a criminal.
Jim nobody asking for anyone to give up sources, its just funny how these emails have been given out, for what purpose and by whom. All important questions.
Lance Agreed that should not take 3 month by the SEC to figure out. Geesh
My thing is this. Is Megas involved in the FRAUD yes or no. If no then the SEC better do their job and follow thier own rules. If he is involed then I want to see jail time. The fact the SEC allows Pino to run around and do what he please its a complete joke also.
Lance I understand they have the emails thats good, but who leaked them and why.
What I want to know is were all these underground emails coming from. Why leak them to Janice and others. Who is leaking them. There not to many people who would have access to these emails. Megas, those that were involved in the Fraus or the SEC. Seems like someone is trying to really go out of their way to make Megas look bad.
Remember Megas went to the SEC and FBI first, and still the SEC let this traded for a month. Not saying Megas is a alter boy in all this but I don't he is involved in that actual fraud of BCIT.
My concern is if Megas is not involvd in the FRAUD then lets start focusing also on the SEC role in all of this.
Why did they let this thing trade for over a month when Megas first went to them. Why only halt this after they were forced to because of all the complaint with Ameritrade and other trading stop.
What is taking them so long with their investigation 3 months now, I think without the right pressure they will continue to stall.
The facts are that all are shares are settled, there over 200 million shares that need to become 1 million. These shares need to be taken out of the market. What right does the SEC have to not follow their own rules. Its clear the SEC has a long history of protecting everybody but the small investor.
Why am I the only one that is pissed with the way the SEC has handled this.
When did I mention penny stocks being shorted, I am talking naked shorting period. You assumed that I was talking about pennys. Yes most pennies you that as a disguise when dumping and that is just as bad.
Sounds like you are justifing Naked Shorting...(again I'm not talking about shorting or shorting by a MM to make a temporary market). I guess thats not a crime to you. To me it stealing.
Please Jim give it up I'm talk about Naked Shorting when they don't cover and that has been happening way to much the last 5 years at the expense of many investor and companys.
REFCO never happened right, there will be other REFCO.
Great Article just a matter of time when Naked Shorting becomes headline news. I know some who post on this board in the past claimed that naked shorting was our imagination. LOL
Hey SEC if you witness a crime and you do not act on it then you are part of the crime.
Reminds me of the old Cops that were paid off by the Maffia.
Janice you must have an insider with the SEC who is working on the BCIT cases for you to say with out question Megas can file at anytime. Where are you getting your information from.
If you haven't notice this is a special case.