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Got ya.
Looks like you're likely right, as that hotel is not listed as a Host property on their site.
peace.
Might be my last post for the day... getting near my limit, and have to keep working on this paper that I'm writing on the impossibility of the human mind evolving from the animal 'mind.'
But today has been real encouraging. In fact, I think it calls for a moderate celebration.
To that end, allow me to import a little festivity that goes on from time to time on another web site I read regularly.
Nothing says excitement like the hump-bot.
Hit it!
http://fragg.me/video/robot-libido
I see. Actually...
What is interesting is the language in SH's blog post, is it not? He refers to the Tivus "room".
So,
A) Tivus is not in the main convention center, but rather across the street at the Hilton (a HOST property), and
B) They their own 'room' in which they're demonstrating?
How's that? Did Host/Hilton provide them with it ? Why?
Huncho, am I misremembering? I thought you said the demo was in the "lobby"?
Hmm.
UPDATE: I see, Hunch, that you did say "suite". So back to the real question. How'd they get THAT? A special spot of their own at the Host Hilton?
I say again, hmmmm.
Good volume indeed A1!
Though I wonder WHO it is that is buying! That would be fun to know.
Maybe some folks at the conference sitting down with their laptops and signing in to their online brokers.
Visions of sugarplums dancing in my head.
Admittedly, I'm somewhat giving you a hard time here. I mean it's good to be skeptical. But at the same time, whatever you have to gain by tickling the ears of potential buyers here, I have to gain too, since I'm a shareholder.
All the same, I'd rather not have my ears tickled. Hence the furrowed brow.
But there is some reason to believe what you say. After all, we know TIVUS is at the conference.
But there is also reason to doubt (that are not so metaphysical as those suggested in my previous reply). After all, Tivus stated that they would merely be "attending," did they not? I.e. They don't have a booth there. So what is this about demonstrations? Were they impromptu? That's hard to believe. It's a pretty intricate software/hardware setup to just throw together on the spot. It must have been preconceived. But then why tell us that they're merely attending as visitors? Isn't that what they suggested? And how were they able to just 'wing' their way into a spot on the Hilton (lobby?)? That too is weird.
Lots more is weird too.
Hence the request for some tangible evidence of what you say.
Now, if I could only look 'you' in the eyes as you tell me these things.
See?
Nonetheless - thanks for the (presumably honest) info.
I do not have the general trust in mankind that you seem to.
But that's a longer inquiry than we can undertake here.
Time will tell.
I love the prospects that you envision.
But the devil 'envisioned' some prospects for Eve too. And she liked 'em. So she bit.
What a shame all this rigamarole is, no?
Something in that story about 'shame' too, I think. Anyway, 'nother time.
You give TIVUS a lot of credit in the way of concern for their shareholders' states of mind, desire for info, tangible evidence of progress, etc.
I don't share your confidence.
Thanks for the reply.
You're not still in the area?
I perfectly understand (the paypal thing). Same with me.
Hopefully we can get a few more on board, and hopefully he'll say yes.
This kid has good money sense. I buy beats from him for music production. So he's got a little hustle goin' on there, and I figured if I threw some cash his way he'd be down to do this.
I'm waiting to hear from him. It's a long shot, but we'll see.
Anyone else willing to go in $10 on paypal let me know, so that I can know HOW worth his while we can make this.
PlatoNic
Presently, I'm emailing a kid that I know (vaguely) in Austin, and seeing if he will -- if I pay him some cash via paypal -- run over and snap pictures of the presentation.
Doubt he'll bite, and I don't know how I'll pay him, as I'm sorta broke. But if anyone is interested in chipping in, we could make it worth his while, and we'd all like to see evidence of the goings on, I'm sure.
If six or so of us threw him ten bucks each, I think he'll bite. Provided he's not busy.
Just a thought.
Once again, pictures from your phone to verify these stories please.
Well, there's my little ask slap for the day; more of an ask 'pat,' but it's all I have at the moment.
Hunch,
You won't be offended at a small amount of healthy skepticism will you? After all, there are all kind of folks on these boards.
No offense intended, but do you have some tangible evidence (perhaps some pictures from your phone!) that you actually had this whole experience that you're describing?
I'd sure love to see a picture of a bunch of hotel exec's gathered around a Tivus demo.
Your report is really, really exciting news. But that is all the more reason to be initially skeptical. We've been hurt before. We're kind of jilted actually.
PlatoNic.
Yeah A1!! Get some!
I now have 473252 shares and increase of 400200. bucks
There's gotta be a typo in there right Bucks?
You only had 73,052 before?
Maybe I'm just mixed up. I thought you were holding larger than that.
Probably my memory. Carry on.
Exactly.
Wise man.
Me too.
I don't really buy this 7K wall.
Guess who else saw the 10M share purchase yesterday at close?
The folks making your market.
Folks, collect your thoughts and have some patience.
You play pennies because you have a predisposition to impulsive action.
But that is not an excuse to play pennies impulsively.
Yesterday at close you saw HUGE MONEY roll in and pre-load.
Trust the evidence.
Poor some (decaf) coffee. Find a book nearby, and relax. Stop reloading your message board every 14.2 seconds.
One doesn't spend upwards of 100 grand for no reason.
You shorters crack me up.
Pennyland is a tremendously nefarious place for the irresolute.
Those moving shares on the floor of the exchange know that penny players are - for the most part - weak minded.
So at the slightest hint of the floor dropping out from under them, they'll panic and sell...
Even after just witnessing someone roll in here yesterday at close and pre-load 10,000,000 shares of this stock.
People, gird your loins. Good Lord.
WOW. Someone just dropped $140,000 on ONTC just before close.
Morning gap coming? I held overnight.
Sadly, no. I was only up about $40. Gone now!
ONTC .0125 x .0127
ONTC .0123 x .0125
ONTC -- MASSIVE bid support just gathered around .0118
I'm an amateur here, but it looks like power hour is gonna be very interesting here.
Okay Diva, I'll bite.
Takin' a shot at ONTC here.
but if Tivus is fronting the TVs I can guarantee you the company will receive a larger share of the pie on the backend revenues, that's for sure.
But they're broke!
This makes me fear that we could be waiting a loooong time for the Host MOU to play out.
Again, maybe this has something to do with Phil coming on board?
Here is where my memory of the CC is a little fuzzy...
Did we ever nail down our questions about who pays for installs and TV's? I know that for some time some of us thought that, as a rule, Tivus contracts were structured such that the client paid.
But then I thought I recall us thinking that perhaps this was only certainly known for the Host deal (or was it the DT deal)?
It seems to me like it would have to be true for the Host deal. After all, Tivus is broke, and yet the installation continues. Or maybe I'm wrong, and they're broke now that they've paid for Philly and this is going to prove a hindrance to getting the other two host properties done? Maybe this has something to do with Phil Marriott coming on board?
All of this seems pertinent to your (admittedly optimistic) suggestions about the immanence of a contract.
If Host has paid-in-full all associated costs for these three installs, I might be more inclined to join you in your optimism.
Right now, you're more like the friend rolling up with a six pack as I watch my house burn to the ground... =) which is good, but I like the other scenario better.
Obtuse = not very bright, a little dull around the edges. Broad. Opposite of 'acute,' (in keeping with the geometric metaphor).
Abstruse = difficult, complicated, deep, not for the simple-minded. Think Scholastic metaphysics here.
But -- geez I must be dense here -- what about this whole "economy of scale" issue. I thought the point there was that it was the advertisers themselves who are/would be unmotivated to get involved unless a decent exposure, i.e. 5,000 rooms at least, were possible. And so if they won't get involved 'until' then, then I don't see what data you're saying is to be extrapolated. If 5,000 is the min for revenue, then there is no sample to extrapolate prior to 5,000 rooms.
I think you're remembering the conference call correctly, as I have the same notion in mind.
I'd still love to know if these other two 'secret' properties are presently installing or merely cued to install when Philly completes.
Ah! That helps.
Are we to believe those installs are happening presently as well? Or they will begin once this one completes?
But you can't "gauge the efficacy" of the system -- if the aspect of that system that you want to gauge is its revenue generating capabilities -- until you have 5,000 rooms! I find it hard to believe that THAT claim, i.e. "this system generates revenue for the hotel" would not be the proposition a potential client was MOST concerned with, and thus most concerned to test out. What else about the system do they want to gauge? Whether touch-screen tv's work? No. Whether you really 'can' tweet people from a television set? No. See what I'm sayin? Hence my confusion.
I'm not going anywhere. I think I just decided.
Every issue floating around among the longs here for the past months is real/legit cause for frustration.
But I have to - for the moment - side with those who think that the Marriott/Host deal is legit cause for optimism.
In one fell swoop that would be so many hotels we would not know what to do with ourselves.
Why did Phil Marriott come on board as the Philly Marriott install is nearing completion?
Only thing that I cannot figure out is how the MOU "assessment" is to take place, i.e. the whole purpose of this MOU, if there are not already 5,000 rooms. But how can we get up to 5,000 rooms without Marriott's satisfaction with the product, which satisfaction would seem to need to be predicated on the thing functioning, which it can't do until there are 5,000 rooms. I don't get it.
But I am willing to hold here.
Van,
TIVU is threatening to end my nascent trading career. Are you still holding on to yours? This thing has demoralized me - but given the way my decisions have been going lately it will run to .03 the minute I sell it at .007. I'm lost.
I appreciate all your thoughts and (qualified) counsel. Really an above-and-beyond reply. Thank you much!
One thing I didn't understand in your reply though was the hypothesis that "Richlin" might be upset with the deal not having consummated yet.
How could that be? Richlin is the one with the company, money, product, assets, employees, sales, etc. He's in the diver's seat isn't he? IF he really wanted to, he could lower the fee that LC needs to come up with and seal the deal tomorrow, no? (I.e. assuming that LC's cash problem is preventing the deal.)
So I didn't understand your entertaining that hypothesis.
Okay now I do want to add (and learn) something here, despite the fact that I think you've again just misrepresented/misinterpreted my statement about pumpers. I thought I was very clear that I grasp that what others say (on a board nor elsewhere) is no basis for a TRANSACTION. Yet you've again replied as if I haven't said that. But never mind it. I don't want to argue the point.
I'm actually interested -- for the sake of the teachable moment, as you suggest -- about your comment about charts.
And here is a place where my recall of the axioms might require brush up (no doubt it does).
For I have heard that chart/TA is frequently very useless "down here" precisely because so much of the action is otherwised-based, e.g. momo, word-of-mouth, etc.
So what's the verdict? Are charts the prime consideration down in pinkland or not? Perhaps they are on some plays, but are often over-valued by penny-traders trying to be hotshot chart readers? I don't know.
But I'm reading the axioms again because I don't recall what Van has to say on this point.
peace.
I read the first two sentences of your reply and it was clear that you have no idea in what 'sense' the consideration about pumpers is relevant in this context.
My expressed feelings for someone's message on a chat board is not what the axiom is about. The axiom is about the relation that feeling bears to my transaction decisions.
You are conflating the two.
There should, therefore, be a 26th axiom.
"You're not as precise a thinker as you think you are."
BTW - I won't be replying again. This is just what I wanted to avoid, i.e. a back and forth cluttering up the SCAN board.
Look I don't want to take up SCAN space with a back and forth here, so allow me a reply here and we'll leave it at that.
In the first place, your opening comment doesn't even make sense. For two reasons: 1) buying/selling based on emotion - while inadvisable - does not get one banned from a message board. 2) What got me banned from the board I was banned from was a) my expression of aesthetic distaste for the product and b) my rather harsh treatment of baseless pumpers.
Now I understand the point that (it seems like) you want to make, i.e. don't base transactions on emotion. If that's it. Fine. I agree with it. And I've read the axioms over several times. They're brilliant. But your attempt to tie my curmudgeonly posts on a message board about a product that - in spite of disliking - I was/am LONG on, doesn't make any sense. If anything, it would show that I buy financial instruments that I have some reason (aesthetic or otherwise) to NOT like, which is ridiculous.
I take your general point though. I just think it's couched in a poor example.
You're right as regards the other point to. There's a lot of down days in between the boom days. Point taken. But part of my present conundrum is how to survive the downs between the booms, as I just royally screwed up two picks that I thought were winners... for non-emotional reasons.
peace.
Midas touch.
First TIVU, now FBCD.
I suck at buying stocks, and life generally.
Account dwindling. No hope in sight.
Carry on everyone.
So what do you make of all of this?
I'm pretty inexperienced, and it's hard for me to tell.
On the one hand, we have FBCD releasing PR after PR with news that actually belongs to Super Rad Toys/corp, but with the full cognizance of Super Rad Toys/corp. How could they get away with this unless an agreement/merger were all but final? What would SRT/C have to gain by allowing them to do this?
On the other hand, a) what is taking so dang long with completing this deal? and b) what is with LeCerc's past failures in 'closing the deal'? I should note that I only know of those via hearsay, and so I don't know for certain, nor know the details.
I guess I'm in a bind because I don't really have the criminal imagination necessary to conceive of what this IS if it is NOT legit.
But I am trying to stay open-minded to the illegitimacy. I am in the red, and still long, and I know that it's easy to deceive oneself in that position... which I don't want to do.
So I am anxious to know what you take from all of this fine research you've done.
On the conference call, it was stated that the deal was real. But Syd Richlin used interesting language, which few people have chosen to remember properly. He said we "hope" to have it completed in one to two weeks.
Many have completely forgotten/ignored this and are running around touting the claim that Syd confirmed that the deal is real/done.
Your thoughts will be hugely appreciated.
I'm trying to learn.