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Xcel Plus is in some good company..
List of Collaborative Partners
Participation in the Collaborative is open to the public. There is no formal membership, but rather a collaboration of partners who are interested in reducing emissions from diesel sources along the West Coast. The following lists of partners are on our email distribution lists.
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Private Sector (continued)
TOTAL Aquazole USA, Inc. Toyota
Troutman Sanders LLP Unified Western Grocers Union Pacific Railroad Valero Refining Co.-CA Waste Management Inc. West Coast Association of Truck Stop Owners Western Marine Community Coalition Western States Petroleum Association Williams Brothers Construction Xcelplus International Inc ZTR
This is the web site I came across with XcelPlus on it. You can view it in pdf, which the above was cut and pasted from
http://www.westcoastcollaborative.org/files/outreach/Collaborative-Partners.pdf
or you can go to http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=3235446027444&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE10, if you have MSN, to view the "cached" version, just click on the word. IMO disn't make a difference as the pdf version is easier to read.
If you don't have MSN but type into your browser
"List of Collaborative Partners," you will get there, although that will be the pdf format also.
This may be old news but the reason I opened it was that the date, after the address and cached icon, is 4/29/2006. Also, I added, or tried to added underlining to the XcelPlus. Just posted this because sometimes the company we keep, is a good indicator of who or what we are.
Nez
Thanks Pupp. Nez
Pupp,
Do you know at what price they were bought?
Nez
Thanks, Long and stronger. Nez
Bruce,
I believe I came across wrong if I appeared to be bashing. On the contrary I was attempting (unsuccessfully) to point out to HD, what appeared to be contrary or actually a subtle attempt at bashing on his or their part. If I did appear to be bashing I unequivocally retract anything that might have been or come across as bashing. I simply made a lame attempt at pointing out that the "other data..other opinions" seemed to me to be bashing. Sorry if that is what happened. IMO, I believe XLPI, will be very successful and if I didn't I would not have all of my PK money in the one company. As I said many times before, I believe XLPI is in the right place, at the right time, with the right products and most importantly with great management. I think you know I what I was trying to do and I'll keep it shorter next time. My wife is always telling me to give people the benifit of the doubt and assume they will look up links themselves, in other words, I talk too much, but I'm really excited with what I see happening with XLPI. Thanks for the feed back, Bruce, good information and DD.
Nez
Bruce,
I believe I came across wrong if I appeared to be bashing. On the contrary I was attempting (unsuccessfully) to point out to HD, what appeared to be contrary or actually a subtle attempt at bashing on his or their part. If I did appear to be bashing I unequivocally retract anything that might have been or come across as bashing. I simply made a lame attempt at pointing out that the "other data..other opinions" seemed to me to be bashing. Sorry if that is what happened. IMO, I believe XLPI, will be very successful and if I didn't I would not have all of my PK money in the one company. As I said many times before, I believe XLPI is in the right place, at the right time, with the right products and most importantly with great management. Nez
HD,
Ethanol IMHO is where we are going and when all is said and done, what comes out of the production facilities will be ETHANOL. Ethanol will go into and run internal combustion engines which can be engines equiped with XLPI devices and treated with XLPI products.
If I am not mistaken, we (the US) has not built a new refinery in some time and at the same time we have lost a few outright, from the recent unusally strong storms in the Gulf. Imo, it would be smarter to build new ethanol refineries rather than just oil. As far as your "More data, different opinion" goes, this is just the start of the anti Ethanol drum beat. It is a threat to what has been a huge source of wealth to a relatively small number of people. Any threat to that bottom line will be attacked but at the same time, as the articles below indicate, a very large number, probably more, IMHO, people and nations are willing to put up the money to make the change-over, which, again IMHO, is already well underway. I believe you can find as many scientists that will endorse the ability of the existing gasoline infra-structure to DELIVER the Ethanol as you will find who disagree. Production obviously is not the same as "cracking" crude oil and therefore crude oil refinarys won't work for the process of fermentation used in Ethanol production, as they are completely different processes. That is why the President spoke of the building of additional Ethanol production facilities, IMHO.
IMHO, we are just starting to see the refinement of the ethanol production process. Also, IMHO, Ethanol will not be mainly produced from corn and glucose containing materials as was tried in Brazil, a good example of why we won't focus on one source of feedstock and the reason it failed was its attempt to do so, but many different sources for the Ethanol. However, Brazil, imo, was a needed step to perfecting the overall process. Whether the source is corn, sugar, sugar beet, cellulose bearing material or fatty acids, the result is the same....Ethanol, period and strictly IMHO.
The Brazilian failure to become oil free was at best, one step in the process of isolating the highest yeilding Ethanol from the most efficient feedstock or biomass. Research I did for a science paper recently, seems to indicate that the source will come from many different biosources. For instance biomass or feedstocks with a high cellulose content and as I mentioned fatty acids. Below are two examples.
HDHICK, the negative will roll in all on its own. Unless you are short or a day trader or threatened by Ethanol in some other way, why not let those people provide the negative data and opinions and let's have the investors in XLPI focus our attempts on educating the public on the positive. Ethanol hasn't been selling in the midwest for "false advertising reasons" alone. I mean no offense and these are my personal opinions. I like a debate as much as the next guy but I think the situation with the US reliance on oil is a national security risk as well as an ecological one. The timing of investment in XLPI is great for those wishing to be involved in some way. The benefits may apply to more than just those invested in Ethanol and its different subparts, like XPLI and it's formulas and products but also to the entire nation, IMHO. Check out some data and opinions.....
CELLULOSE ETHANOL IS READY TO GO
Iogen producing world’s first cellulose ethanol fuel
Ottawa – Iogen Corporation announced today that it is producing the world’s first cellulose ethanol fuel for commercial use. Cellulose ethanol is an ultra-low CO2 emission fuel that can be blended with gasoline and used in cars today.
“Today marks the first concrete signal of a major change coming in the fuel market,” said Iogen President, Brian Foody. “We have always looked to better and more efficient vehicles to reduce fossil fuel consumption. Now, new advanced fuels are ready to play a role too!”
“Canada is on the cusp of a new energy era and companies such as Iogen are showing the way,” said the Honourable Paul Martin, Prime Minister of Canada. “Our technological expertise in clean energy will be one of the pillars of our economic and environmental prosperity in years to come.”
“This milestone would not have been possible without the commitment, support and vision of Shell, Petro-Canada, and the Government of Canada,” said Foody. “These organizations have shown that they are committed to bringing forward technologies that really can make a difference.”
Iogen’s cellulose ethanol technology is a result of more than 25 years of research and development. Iogen and its partners have committed over C$110 million, and the company owns and operates the world’s only cellulose ethanol demonstration scale facility.
“Iogen has demonstrated that clean, renewable fuels are no longer a dream, they are a reality,” said Duncan Macleod, Portfolio Manager of Shell Global Solutions International B.V. “We believe that the global market for bio-fuels such as cellulose ethanol will grow to exceed $10 billion by 2012. Cellulose ethanol is a great fit with Shell’s commitment to leadership in fuels technology and sustainable development.”
“All of us at Petro-Canada are pleased to see Iogen bringing its leading-edge cellulose ethanol technology to fruition,” said Petro-Canada Vice-President Andrew Stephens. “We made our first investment in this technology over five years ago, so it's fitting that Petro-Canada will be the first user of cellulose ethanol, and will be receiving the first shipment at our Montreal refinery.”
“GM Canada welcomes Iogen’s introduction of cellulose ethanol as a very significant product development that could make a considerable contribution to the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions,” said David Paterson, Vice-President, General Motors of Canada. “GM’s entire portfolio of vehicles is already capable of running on a blend of 10 per cent ethanol. We are pleased to see a leading-edge Canadian company like Iogen develop the next generation of ethanol and we encourage its adoption in the marketplace.”
“All vehicles can use a standard blend of up to 10 per cent cellulose ethanol mixed with gasoline, with no changes required.
“Iogen’s cellulose ethanol demonstration facility is the final proving stage prior to the rollout of full-scale commercial plants. The company is working with its partners to finalize plant locations.
“Cellulose ethanol has two unique advantages over conventional ethanol. First, the greenhouse gas emission reductions from cellulose ethanol are three times greater than those from grain based ethanol on a life cycle basis. Second, cellulose ethanol is made from a plentiful and renewable resource, the non-food portion of agriculture crops (e.g. straw, corn stalks and corn cobs).”
See related article on Iogen, Shell, & Daimler Chrysler.
http://www.alcohol4fuel.com/id37.html
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Or from high free fatty acid (FFA) materials as with the efforts by the Canadians shows.
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The CETC SuperCetane Technology
The production of diesel fuel from renewable sources is being pursued because of climate change, a desire to develop new markets for agricultural products and increasing petroleum prices. The production of biodiesel from vegetable oils and yellow grease via esterification processes has generated the most interest and business development. However, other technologies are nearing commercialization that can convert vegetable oils, waste greases, animal tallow and other feedstocks containing triglycerides and fatty acids to value added energy and chemical products. The CANMET Energy Technology Centre (CETC), Natural Resources Canada, has developed a novel technology that can convert these materials into a high cetane, low sulphur diesel fuel blending stock called SuperCetane.
Process
The CETC process adapts a hydrotreating process using conventional petroleum refinery hardware and under proprietary operating conditions generates its cetane-enhancing product. See process schematic below.
Several reactions occur in the process including hydrocracking (breaking apart of large molecules), hydrotreating (removal of oxygen), and hydrogenation (saturation of double bonds). The process employs a conventional commercial refinery hydrotreating catalyst and hydrogen.
The CETC technology has been used to successfully process a number of feedstocks including canola oil, soya oil, yellow grease, animal tallow and tall oil (a by-product of the kraft pulping process). Yields of 75 – 80% were achieved.
The process has been successfully scaled up in a one-barrel/day hydrotreating pilot reactor at the CETC research facilities using depitched tall oil as the feedstock. Approximately 3800 litres of SuperCetane was produced for emission testing at Environment Canada in Ottawa, Ontario and for road tests with Canada Post in Vancouver, BC.
Product
The CETC process generates a hydrocarbon liquid with co products being burner gas and water.
The hydrocarbon liquid can be distilled into three basic fractions: naphtha, middle distillate (CETC SuperCetane) and waxy residues. When yellow grease, animal tallow and vegetable oils are used as feedstocks, negligible amounts of naphtha and small volumes of waxy residues are produced. Since the naphtha fraction is so small it is usually not necessary to remove it from the SuperCetane. The waxy residue is paraffin-rich and can be used as refinery feedstock or power boiler fuel.
The middle distillate (SuperCetane) is the primary liquid product and yields of 70-80% were achieved for yellow grease and tallow. It consists mainly of straight chain hydrocarbons in the diesel fuel boiling range with a cetane number of about 100 when yellow grease and tallow feedstocks are used (cetane number is a measure of the ignition quality).
A high cetane diesel fuel is generally recognized as a means of reducing emissions of engine pollutants and improving fuel economy. A higher cetane number is normally achieved by using commercial nitrate based cetane additives and/or by more intensive refining of petroleum in the production of diesel fuel. The CETC SuperCetane provides a new and renewable alternative. It resembles conventional diesel fuel when analyzed by GC/MS and is miscible in all proportions with diesel fuel. Its sulphur content is less than 10 ppm thus it meets the upcoming diesel fuel specifications.
Commercial alkyl nitrate cetane improvers have a non-linear impact on cetane numbers (leveling off after a limited cetane number increase). In contrast, the CETC SuperCetane has a linear impact on the cetane value of diesel fuel, directly proportional to its concentration in the blend. Also, CETC studies have indicated that when SuperCetane is blended with conventional cetane improvers, the cetane value of the final blend improves synergistically.
The CETC SuperCetane specific gravity is similar to that of regular diesel while its viscosity is similar to that of biodiesel. Biodegradability of SuperCetane was tested at the University of Sherbrooke using CEC Respirometry Test Method L-33-T-82. An esterified biodiesel soya oil sample and hydrotreated soya oil sample were tested. Both samples were 97% biodegradable compared with 45% for regular diesel.
The burner gas co product consists mostly of hydrogen with low levels of methane, ethane, propane, carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. No glycerol is formed in this process.
Combustion and Emissions Tests
Single and multi cylinder engine combustion and emission tests were performed on the CETC SuperCetane by ORTECH in Toronto, Canada and by the Environmental Technology Centre (ETC), Environment Canada in Ottawa, Canada. In general, the CETC product and commercially available cetane improvers showed comparable gaseous emission reductions of total hydrocarbons, NOx, particulates and carbon monoxide. Emission reductions were found to be due in large part to improved combustion characteristics. As expected, the higher emission reductions occurred when the CETC SuperCetane was added to lower grade diesel fuel (cetane numbers below 40). As such, CETC SuperCetane may prove most valuable as a blending stock for lower quality middle distillates.
Fuel economy savings using the CETC SuperCetane are another benefit – in a six-month test program using a fleet of Canada Post delivery vans operating in Vancouver, Canada, fuel economy savings of 8% was achieved.
Application to Rendering Industry
A yellow grease sample from Rothsay and an animal tallow sample from West Coast Reduction were processed and the results were included as part of the patent application. U.S. Patent 5,705,722 “Conversion of Biomass Feedstock To Diesel Fuel Additive” describes the results from these test runs. In both cases, 80% yields of the middle distillate were reported.
As a result of recent developments in the rendering industry, a number of additional feedstocks provided by rendering companies have been successfully tested. A comprehensive table describing the results and product analysis is given in the Appendix.
Potential Applications
Several commercial applications for the CETC SuperCetane are being investigated:
The addition of CETC SuperCetane to diesel fuel was shown to reduce its NOx emissions. A major problem with B20 biodiesel blends is that the NOx emissions are similar to and sometimes higher than those for regular diesel. It is expected that the addition of CETC SuperCetane to B20 blends will help reduce NOx.
Certain diesel stocks do not respond well when traditional nitrate based cetane enhancers are added. The CETC SuperCetane can increase the responsiveness of these diesel fuels.
The CETC SuperCetane and the waxy residue can be sources of renewable n-paraffins for refinery and petrochemical applications.
Update
CETC has constructed a semi-pilot plant (700-mL tubular reactor) producing large volumes of cetane enhancer for performance and exhaust emission tests. This semi-pilot unit will also be used to test and optimize process parameters.
Under a contract from CETC, Calgary-based C.J. Wheeler Process Consultant Inc recently completed an engineering and economic feasibility study for the construction and operation of a commercial plant to convert biomass-derived oils (including vegetable oils and yellow grease) to a cetane enhancer and a highly paraffinic lubricant basestock (wax). Two plant sizes were considered: 400 and 800 b/d. The study included the preparation of a process flow diagram, the computer simulation of a commercial scale plant to establish mass and energy balances, the sizing and costing of all major pieces of equipment and the estimation of capital investment, operating costs and payout time. For a 400 b/d plant costing US$5.6 million, the payout time (defined as capital cost divided by net income) was estimated to be 4.6 years using a feedstock costing about US$0.018/lb. In the case of the 800 b/d plant, (US$8.5 million), the payout time is reduced to 2.7 years (32 months), due to the economy of scale.
CETC recently completed a project with Ottawa-based Advanced Engine Technology Ltd. (AET) to determine whether the addition of small amounts of SuperCetane and biodiesel to oil sands diesel can improve the quality and exhaust emissions of the fuel. Results indicated that blending these renewable fuels with low cetane fuels significantly reduced exhaust emissions of particulate matter and reduced exhaust emissions of oxides of nitrogen. Unburned hydrocarbons increased slightly but this effect can be reduced or eliminated with the use of oxidative catalytic converters. It was observed that as the concentration of SuperCetane increased, a corresponding reduction occurred in the emissions of particulates and oxides of nitrogen.
CETC will undertake two test programs. In the first, SuperCetane will be added to a conventional diesel (80%)/biodiesel (20%) blend (B20 fuel). Combustion, performance, operability and exhaust emission tests will be performed on these fuel blends. The objective is to determine whether the SuperCetane can lower the NOx emissions generated with B20 fuels.
In the second test program, CETC SuperCetane will be blended with a base fuel derived from oil sands sources as a part of another on-going study looking at various alternatives for increasing the cetane number of oil sands derived diesel fuels. The CETC SuperCetane will be compared with conventional cetane improvers (nitrate and peroxide) as well as F-T diesel and several oxygenates. The objective is to examine the cetane boost achieved by the additive as well as to the measure regulated emissions and fuel consumption in a Caterpillar 3401E diesel engine.
Advantages of the CETC SuperCetane
Production of high yield (~ 80%) CETC SuperCetane with a high cetane number (~ 100), low sulphur content and characteristics similar to those of premium diesel.
Ability to process a wide variety of feedstocks, including high free fatty acid (FFA) materials.
Production of useable hydrocarbon co products that are suited to conventional refinery streams. Limited technical risk due to the use of existing technology and refinery hardware.
Relatively low processing cost.
NOx emissions reductions resulting from higher cetane values.
For more information: SuperCetane Technology (PDF)
Contacts
Ed Hogan Dr. Jacques Monnier
CANMET
Energy Technology Centre CANMET
Energy Technology Centre
Natural Resources Canada Natural Resources Canada
(613) 996-6226 (613) 995-1631
ehogan@nrcan.gc.ca jmonnier@nrcan.gc.ca
http://www.canren.gc.ca/tech_appl/index.asp?CaId=2&PgId=1083
so you see hd, imo I feel we should leave the negative up to those who are against the Ethanol idea and have the positive investors (if you weren't positive you wouldn't put your money in it, right?)do research that is of the highest credibility and post THAT in order to help move things along. Obviously, if investors come across credible and imperical D&D that other investors need to know then let that be so. The above are just two examples some other suggestions for research may be loss of refinment capability and lack of renwal, environmental impact of use of fossil fuels, simplicity of the Ethanol process, cross utilization of pertoleum infra-structure and the benifits of XLPI's products and how they work in layman terms. This is my opinion but as a fellow investors who would like to make money as well as help our country and planet these may be some ideas for the effort we as investors can make.
GLTA,
Nez
Pupp, Thanks for putting my mind to rest and you are right about the E-mail you sent me. As a result of XLPI, Bruces', your and Bill's common sense approach as well as most of the others here, I will become a paying board member over the weekend.
I just wanted to let you and Bruce know you have eliminated a very great fear I had with XLPI. That was the expectations of investors to start with the "hounding" of yourself, Bruce, Bill and other board members overall, about PRs, "When is the next one, what will it contain and if I don't get an anwer I will start bashing, mainly in very sublime ways, the stock." It has been my experience with the last PK I was in (which I took all of the money out of and parked for the long term in XLPI,) that folks such as the ones who play the "it's all about PRs game," are in fact day traders, flippers and sometimes, fronts for or actual MMs, IMO.
This caused the inexperienced CEO of the previous company, who was "old school," to release some very "fluffy" and meaningless PRs which eventually were proven wrong or unattainable in the timeframe he used. This negitivly effected and may have destroyed a companys chances for expansion or at least slowed the growth dramatically. If investors know that there is much going on behind the scenes that we as investors "don't have a need to know" because competition or others trying to gain from mistakes made due to pressure from the investors and continue to apply that pressure, there is, IMO, a good chance the focus will shift from the meaningful to the PR game, if we let it.
XLPI in my opinion, doesn't need the investors money who put that kind of pressure on a company's management because they are probably looking for the fast buck and could care less about distracting managment from keeping their eye on the ball.
When the rest of the "longs" see this type of posting remember it is probably from an investor who is not going to be around for long and is just as happy to make a quick "fist full of dollars" and leave. We and XLPI don't need that. It will be uop to us to ignore them and allow the moderator to address them. I feel we have a good moderator here.
Thanks for putting my mind to rest and lets all realise that building a company in most instances, is going to be more dependant on long, solid and loyal investors. Just my opinion and will read the board tonight or over the weekend. Nez
By the way, won't be in the rest of the day so I say it now....LONGS, HOLD, HOLD, HOLD and accumulate when possible. Lets keep what we can out of the hands of those who want money instead of a more secure future. I mean I want too make money too but not at the expense of killing proper momentum which for XLPI is to continue slow and steady until ready, again, JMO, Nez
My cousin and I were speaking about what was the best alternative over the Easter weekend. He is with a company that is involved with the longshoreman and provide security in the ports. I am from the airline industry and I am going to school for one last degree that will allow me to get into the airport security buisness. I told him about E-85 and gave my views. He on the other hand said that his observations were that there seemed to be more use of LPG at the moment. I explained that the airlines and trucking industries have been using LPG for quite a while but when security audits are done, LPG bottle and refilling point security were almost always on the top list. He had no comment but was thoughtful. Then he brought up the idea that the turbine engine (jet) was really getting big on ships. I asked what he thought they ran on and he was surprised to find out they ran on what is high quality diesil fuel, JP 3 or 4 what ever.
The point is that until people understand ALL of the issues surrounding E-85, they will be hesitant. Thus my excitment when I see such a wide educational/advertizing campaign happening even in politics. It's just a matter of time and we are more than 3/4 of the way to the beginning of the E-85 changeover revolution, IMHO! He too agreed and I ended up giving him information on XLPI! Security must be brought into any debate and the security required for gasoline is of almost no difference to E-85. On the other hand, LPG isn't. Security and storage are most likely more cummbersome and expensive than gasoline and E-85. All of this is as usual, JMO. Nez
Great idea Pupp. Possibly have it present at new openings of facilities recently brought on online for the sale of E-85 or at stores where the kits might be distributed. Especially in the East or have it at NASCAR events. Nez
GD,
Any idea if the conversion kits or better yet, XLPI are giing to be mentioned? Nez
See, there is another thing I am ignorant of "The Berlin Exchange shorting thing," I don't know what that is and here I am invested in a stock that apparently was effected by it!
It doesn't matter to me because I have learned that with PK stocks, you are, IMHO, right when you say,
"Well, throw the "fundimentals" out the door...expecially with PK stocks. Moving averages, Bollinger bands, Keltner Channels, charts, etc. don't mean a pinch here. Pay attention to emotion, right products, right timeing and dedicated management...those are this stocks "fundimentals"!
I am here because IMO, emotions are being driven by the fact that XLPI is in the right place, at the right time, with the right product and more importantly to me, the right management." I haven't found another company with the products that XLPI has but I do find many starting the R&D which will eventually lead to the next step in the alternative fuel quest. Fruition will be some time coming for those companys imo, but XLPI is here, now!
Now that I have seen where XLPI has been, I feel even more strongly that this has the potential to go as high as some have speculated, it did in the past without the fuel situation we have now so if it performed like that without the far more intense need now existing, IMO it can certianly do it again and then some. XLPI seems to have been one of the few to read the writing on the wall that started even before GWI. When other companys were looking at genetics, computer wonders and all the rest of the tech boom possibilities, XLPI seems to have chosen to concentrate on what they do best and what drives almost all of the rest of the economy. Fuel or the lack there of. The only solution, aside from conquest of fuel rich countrys, was for developing alternatives to crude and XLPI, IMO, was far sighted enough to concentrate on this market. Now I think it is going to be up to the investors to stick and make a stand because I have a feeling that every type of trader who may not be able to operate as they did prior to SOX, is going to give it one last very hard try. XLPI is going to weather the storm but a big part is going to be up to the investors now in, to be steady. I for one am going to stick it out because I think that it will only be a matter of loyalty and that is going to have to be shepherded by a strong leader and IMO we have one. Just my opinion, but with the proper support and realistic thinking the possibilities are going to be great until the next step in the alternative fuel issue is reached which I think at best is years off. In the interm, XLPI is going to be the bridge, IMO. Nez
repeat,
I guess you could look at it that way but the way I see it is; on the 26th if you had 1 share then after the execution you had 3 shares. As far as pps goes, the pps fluctuated throughout each day. On Scott there is a term called "Execution Date," which is listed as 7/27/2004, a term called "Declare Date," listed as N/A, a term called "Record Date," listed as 7/26/2004 and a term called "Payment Date," listed as 7/26/2004. To be honest with you I have but a vaugue idea of what these terms mean but when I have time, I will see what "Investopedia" defines these terms as. I do know from the charts for the 26th and 27th the pps between open and close of each day was rather large! The way the "splits" chart on ST reads is ratio: 0,
shares before: 1, shares after: 3, all followed by the above terms. I believe this is referred to as a "forward split." JMO until I have quotable information but that is the way I understand it. Nez
No problem, glad to help. XPLI'ers lets really stay long and strong. When looking back over the pps history, I found that xpli has seen very good times. However, none happened with a postive socio-economic environment as XLPI is currently posed in. Result? We are gonna do really good if we stay true to the hold long plan. Just MHO. Look over the pps history and see what everyone comes up with. Its worth the effort. Nez
Repeat,
split 7/27/2004, shares before split 1 share, after split 3. 7/26/2004 close PPS .483, Closing price after split, 7/27/2004, .44.
record date, 7/26/2004.
payment date 7/26/2004.
Execution Date 7/26/2004
Got this from Scott T. account.
Nez
The longs here have the right idea IMO. Hold, Hold, Hold! Trading PK's is, IMO, not even an informed guess. It's a gamble and the house has the odds on their side. The reason I am here, is to try and further my understanding of PK's by getting the idea of a 2 cent stock going up 1000+%, out of my system.God help me if it does go to the levels others have mentioned! IMO, the chances are very few. But I think out of all the possibilities out there, XLPI has the best chance. Another reason for being in XLPI, is the fact, that for a PK stock XLPI seems to be far more forth coming with accurate information than other stocks are and the circumstances in the world indicate to me that XLPI is in the right place at the right time and with the right product and especially with the right kind of management.
As for A/S , if the company does really well and this may be a mistaken idea on my part, it might want or have to move up to the otcbb or higher. I have always assumed that to do so, an r/s, (sorry I hate the thought and it pains me to type it out,) is required. I hope I'm wrong and also hope that someone will correct me where I am wrong.
What ever the case, I am very proud to finally be with a group of people who are holding strongly. A post from a few days ago voiced my feelings about how MM's, day traders and flippers interrelate. I too had many of these thoughts, agreed with them and always concluded the way to avoid mms, dts and flippers from contol, is to hold and possibly accumulate at realistic prices. The more shares you have accumulated the less painful a r/s will be. Like I said, I'm here to learn so if someone feels they can show me how to correct my errors, I welcome the effort.
My greatest fear is the people who might sell once we begin closing in on the small high the company attained in it's whole history. I think that is something like .53? If people start selling at those levels even 50% - 80% lower than .53, this stock will be right back into the MMs, day traders and flippers hands. Just once in my trading days I would really like to see THEM lose while being part of it!
Keep up the good work and stay long strong and accumulate if you are of the mind, IMHO. Thoughts posted by me are always just a neophytes opinion, use caution. Nez
Repeat,
Good job framing and presenting your thoughts. Your post says it all for XLPI'ers, HOLD, HOLD HOLD and accumulate when the time is right. Eventually, we will sour the MM's and others interest in xlpi. This is why my wife and I will be here for quite awhile with the same level of base shares. When the opportunity presents itself, we accumulate and put those to the side for the future. I guess you could say we have as much confidence in management as we do in the product. This combination is a first for us. Nez
Herman,
I am not a long timer but I am a true XLPI believer and have been in since late Feb. or early May. I would like you to keep in mind that I am by no means even close to the more knowledgable log. long term XPLI holders but I can give you my answers with the hope that they will generate more disscussion, I didn't just blindly jump into this, but it is a pink sheet..
Here goes:
1)If you had to say one bad thing to say about XLPI what would it be?
If I had to say one bad thing and I'll go one further and say the worst thing I can say about XLPI as an unqualified neophyte shareholder is that it is a Pink Sheet and as such the pps which is not really relevant is easily swung. This causes panic to the less informed about the whole energy picture and the part that ethanol is going to play in the eventual transition to other forms of energy for primary supply of energy. As people on the board have noted," folks that have a couple hundred bucks in couch cushion," found money can buy enough shares to cause the pps to move up and vis a versa. I won't even go into the MM's who are pros and know the game they play can hurt as much as help. But they know all about catching falling knives and thats what they have chosen to do for a living. I figure they must win more than they lose other wise they wouldn't be in tis game. I just want to, just once, be there when a CEO, catches them with their pants down! I know this is unkind but I would enjoy that and I think Bill is a man who may be able to do so as I think he is in the right place at the right time and with the right conditions.
2)Do you see Hydrogen as a big competitor to ethanol?
Yes, I see hydrogen as a POSSIBLE competitor and possibly even a replacement for ethanol but that is WAAAAAY down the road of R&D, investment monies and infrastructure change as well as political change. I like to compare hydrogen as being like gasoline became but after a large part of the "industrial revolution" had already occured, (driven by coal and the steam power it produced,) the western USA was pretty well on its way to being explosivly developed and incredible scientific breakthroughs were being made. Hydrogen, in my opinion, is quite a few steps up the power evolutionary ladder.
3)Do you think the price of E85 will be cheap enough, once mass produced, that people will convert their cars? (Remember the magority of people despise change)
Yes I do but to what degreeit will drop, I couldn't guess. People may despise change but IMO, much of the changeover to ethanol, even if it is for only a decade or two, is NOT going to be a matter of choice. You will either buy a far more expensive "Hybird" type vehical or a cheaper, more common ethanol burning vehical. This will happen, again IMO, in the non Democratic nations first.
4)Do you think it would be worthwhile for someone to buy a still and produce their own ethanol?
No for the simple reason that it is not the safest thing to do, it will get old fast ( alot of work and time), and as of this moment if you want to save money on gas, type in acetone/gas mileage, into your browser and look for a site that has been pushing for the addition of acetone into the fuel mix as it DOES increase gas mileage by about 30 -35%. These were my actual results in a 95 120,000 plus car. As far as a new car goes, I'm sure that the attorneys would use your warrenty as a napkin if you ever had a "covered" problem and then they found you use of actetone and that would probably give the attorneys already being paid on retainer, plenty to void your warrenty. I don't know but I have learned to expect the worst of the very fine print unless you have read it completly. Also, I am very leary of auto makers pushing "planned obsolescence" to it's ultimate limits. I am concerned that as a result, using plastic in the fuel systems that may not be of the highest durability for acetone, may not be able to stand up to the ability of acetone to liquidate, melt or harm some part/parts of the system. I did use it, I did get good results, the webmaster of the site (something like "acetone and gas milage")had tested this solvent for years and was convinced that if enough people tried it and realized the almost definate savings, they would lobby congress to force the oil companies to put it into the gasoline mix. Acetone is able to increase the mileage, power output and effeciency of the running of the engine due to the fact that acetone has much lower "surface tension" than that of gas and therefore combusts far better. As I said, if the plastic components in fuel systems is not able to stand up to the solvent (that is what acetone is) you may cause serious damage to your car. The simple mesh filter on the in tank sending unit and pump asssembly for instance, might cause problems.
In addition, I don't know what the legal ramifications are for owning and operating a still. Ethanol whaen produced must be MADE un fit to drink other wise you would be producing "grain alcohol." I know that even finding the right kind of acetone is becoming more difficult in the purity needed due to the fact that it is used by druggies to make some type of illegal drug.
5)How will XLPI handle the expected growth? If all goes as planned(lube centers) they will have to add hundreds of employees ,which will add HR, accounting, training related issues
This last question I feel people like Pup or Lady are more qualified than myself to answer or even guess at as I have done with the previous Q's. Anyway, at least I got some keyboard time in and being a new online student after graduating school in 79, I can use all the practice I can get! I feel very confident Bill has indeed thought all of this through as the information flow to the shareholders is of a level I have not come across in Pinks before. As I said, I'm a newbie and know that my finding one of the 14 out of something like 1500 pinks that make it is a lot to hope for but this company feels and acts differently. I hope this may stimulate more discussion.
Nez
Thanks for any input
Hi all,
I have been busy with school but I'm still long and getting stronger. I heard a blurb on the news (forget which show), that attributed the rise is gas price of late as due to the change over in the supply lines from straight gasoline to ethanol. Has anyone else heard anything similiar? If this is true, then IMO, ethanol is far beyond the decision point but has actually moved to the process of delivery to new markets. This would also, imo, lead to a wider spread between the price of gasoline and ethanol as the most costly part of changing what a supply line or lines are dedicated to deleivering, occurs at the beginning. Just wondering as this too was speculation I have gleaned from others opinions.
One other question, might be old history, but has there ever been any reliable talk of the possibiliy of XLPI being bought by a bigger fuel company. It seems like they are of the mindset that if they can't beat something, then they just buy it. Just wondering where that would leave us. Nez
This is out of my local paper from Sat. I now know that I will be able to find E-85 soon right here is PA! Nez
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a1_ethanolapr15,0,3359666.story
Sorry guys, I'll be right there with you hopefully, a bit wiser by then! Nez
He is pushing bio fuel except it is from the opposite end of the cow. Just his style! BS.
He is however, bringing attention to E-85 thru the media forums that pay him any attention. Read the article. I forget who said it but any publicity is good. As far as taxes, our materialistic society is so fowled up in its thinking, many feel HE got the raw deal, not you and me. Nez
Yup, if tis her, durn smoke i'd gitta outta my eyes I kin show em all what end the good stuff comes out of! Then we cna get down ta buisness and party. Nez
Wit Willie nelson on board, we are going to make progress helping the"common joe" lear." Nez
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2da,
Thank you... again,
Now I really feel foolish. This is the second time that I would have found information by looking harder. I vow that ignorance of information, especially, information made availible by others work, time and effort, for convienent access, will not be asked for unless I first have expended as much effort as the person who made it accesable. If we can't find something, someone has spent time and effort to make accessible, then, maybe I don't deserve to know. Especially, here where such an excellent site and links have been assembled. Sorry and Happy Easter. I thank you also for not "dressing me down" and for the guidance. Nez
Thanks again,
now I really feel foolish. This is the second time that I would have found information by looking harder. I vow that ignorance of information, especially, information made availible by others work, time and effort, to be convienently accessed, will not be asked for unless I ask for something I have expended as much effort as the person who made it accesable. If we can't find something someone has spent time and effort to make assesable, then maybe I don't deserve to know. Especially here, where such an excellent site and links have been assembled. Sorry and Happy Easter. I thank you also for not "dressing me down" and for the guidance. Nez
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Happy and Safe Easter to all! He is risen Alleluia! Nez
Does anyone know if ledbed is an MM or if he owns some. It seems everytime he pops his head up, a day latter its over. I thought I was doing great until I got wind of his involvement. Oh well, everydog has their day. Nez
As for me and mine, we will hold. We don't take a loss until we sell! Screw them. I hope a big oil company comes out of the blue and says," why fight it, let's make money on it too!" Just once, I really want to see someone suffer and that is the MM's. Sorry, I know it's low but they are really something. I have seen so many get jammed like this but this is the first for me. It's almost like "it's my bat and ball and there is no such thing as enough or too much! Nez
Sorry about that, I should either focus on xl or due my term paper. Again, sorry and thanks, Nez
The following site is free and gives some pretty good information. I always like to look at the number of trades. To do this type in the ticker in the upper left corner, hit go and scroll down to the chart. You will see one section of total trades for the day. Based on the volume, the size of the trades and the timing, one has to assume that MM's or something similiar, got XLPI from the ledbed radar
(or something) and sucked up the shares on the way down. I am learning but I thought that mm's were supposed to perform the role of ensuring a stable moving market? I think that it is really wrong for them to attack in pack fashion, for personal gain, anything that has potential. I really could use a primer on the hows, whats, whys, and who, the mm is. Any information would be highly appreciated.TIA, Nez
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2dabank,
Where do you get information on the size of short positions,TIA? Nez
Here, Here!!!!! Nez
I agree, might be a multiple PR day? Nez
Stock, I understand. I have the same concerns as you but it happens that I'm am taking (late in life) a biology course and the subject of ethanol has been very popular with many people asking questions. Many people didn't even know of ethanol until they took the class. I live in the east. All that people see is how much they are paying for gas, and if they have an alternative, they will seek it out. This is why Bill's advertising at this point is so timely, people are looking for anything that will save them some $$$ at the pump. Good news travels fast when it comes to money. Sorry if I came across wrong. Nez
Also, it seems a web site called "Barcharts" has quite a bit of news about XPLI if you type in the ticker symbol and scroll down, look on the left sidebar and click on "News." Nez
Stockefeller, many "average joes" I know, read a small magazine called "Readers Digest." In this months issue ETHANOL is in an artical about alternate fuels. Maybe you should get a copy and see what the "average joe" is reading. Nez
Tell that to the folks in the mid west! Nez
I believe, based on Bill's past performance, you are right. I wouldn't even be surprised if he may set the stage for a "squeeze" in a most sublime manner, now that would be beutiful! I have a feeling that whenever it is, it will be at a time least expected by all. Nez