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lmao.....
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Why would anyone want to buy shares of a stock without analyzing it? Heavens!
Now i know some aren't analysing it or paying attention to terms and provisions.....
we all know that Loan will be paid off by end of year....
FXCM valuation is changing, especially with the WHITE LABEL SALE and the
CITI accounts, which Citi was rated as the #1 forex seller, to just hand it off to FXCM speaks volumes.....VOLUME....
short interest position is weakening and crumbling...
FXCM upgrades coming soon...
equity and revenues building,
let's wait and see what next movement from FXCM comes...
HIGHLY unlikely that FXCM will be sold, yet if it is the valuation has changed and LOAN will be paid off before it ever happens....lmao
so i'm happy with my investment.....
I bet some wish they could vote in the upcoming board election...
but borrowing shares in my understanding kinda voids that...lmao
better go LONG they should, time is short...
FXCM has more coming, wait for it....
Well I know the r is in distraction..
I remember someone typing that yesterday in excitement when the pps was falling like a rock...
well didn't fall that far or hard...
someone here just starting to look like they not sure of or not what they are talking of...
like I said I don't rely on yahoo finance for my info...
fxcm is buying stuff???
what is stuff???
does that stuff come with equity and revenue????
wow leucadia is letting fxcm buy toys...
yeah loan repayment no big deal...
I wouldn't be surprised if fxcm doesn't end up selling fastmatch...
wow, wouldn't that be funny...
who is pulling the strings at fxcm, is it management or leucadia...
I know it's not leucadia....
i'm not distracted by what's going on...
someone should read the full terms and provisions of the loan...
tunnel vision....
see you in pre-market...
wait for the 8 am chime for news...
don't stay up too late ok...
Really...has the rights to force sale if loan not repaid...
looking like it is...lmao
think you may need to go back and do a little homework...
still waiting on how you figure fxcm equity is all tied up with Leucadia...
wow...
big chunk still trying to figure that out...
i'm somewhat distacted by some of the terms...
still glad I don'the rely on yahoo finance...
yes I know terms and read it...
i'm also glad I did without relying on yahoo finance..
maybe you can enlighten me as to how fxcm was able to secure the Citi accounts without a whimper from the almighty leucadia...
wonder how that slipped by, loans not paid but fxcm acquired citi accounts at a ridiculous price...wow..
Fxcm did that with no equity...wow...
not sure if you care to elaborate...maybe not...
white label sale today also...revenues...
citi accounts revenues...
who next??
wait for it...
you going to have another late night???
see you in pre-market.....
Well then maybe crusen, you could explain when after loan is repaid...
what exactly will the margins be...
explain exactly what the projected revenues will be after Citi accounts transfer to FXCM...
really what is the issue being ignored, I am not quite sure how you are coming up with it...
there is no control handed over to Leucadia than that if within 3 years loan isn't repaid then Leucadia has rights to sell non-core assets in newco....
maybe you cannot read some financial and term agreements adequately...
that's why I don't rely fully on yahoo finance...
with the white label agreement with the sale today...hmmmmmm
I'm not quite sure how equity works so can you fill me in...
The only equity that Leucadia has divs on now is in newco...lmao...
yet that is only after 3 years if FXCM does not pay off the loan...
took one day to go up what 35% ish and now it's taken what 2 days to take it down around 18% ish..
keep running into a wall...strong accumulation..
well me thinks equity is already increasing, even without paying off loan just yet....
still trying to figure out how FXCM slipped the citi transfer by the control of leucadia...
well I know you can't answer that either...
I've been waiting to see if yahoo finance will come out with something...
maybe in your expert analysis you can summarize what fxcm has of equity and revenues...
Maybe marginalize it...fxcm valuation still changing...
saw you was up late last night...trouble sleeping???
wow....
so many scenarios going on here...
short interest working against short interest...interesting...
one shorting to accumulate....
one shorting to drive pps down to $1.25 area....
throw in some daytraders, who are extremely frustrated with price action..
some shorts covering, the smart ones....
throw in retail and long investors, what a mix going on....
Gaps are being filled...
ACCUMULATION is heavy....
this typically happens when pps is about to skyrocket upward....
one interest will short down to accumulate and when the right moment ticks.....kaboom....all hell breaks loose....
very interesting at pps movement.....
once movement upwards begins shorts caught below, well you know they get squeezed big time,especially trying to cover where there are no gaps...lmao
but then again maybe not....
I on the one hand am patient...the right moment...
The timing is in the trading...
WOW....what a gamble....
8am news a little late...lmao
well it was just a little SHORTly after 8 am....lmao
A LONG DAY coming, especially like it when news is released late on FRIDAY around mid-day, oh i know it's always bad....right.....
anyways waiting on a true VALUATION from you....
Did you wake crusen yet?????
why didn't the news come out yesterday????
FXCM paying down loan,FXCM moving forward....
Was just wondering what guys you were referring to in this QUOTE
big time investors want to get out
these guys don't invest in stocks with any chance of bankruptcy. or going to zero or possible to lose like 90% of value or 50% of value overnight.
I am not sure what guys you are referring to but would like to see...
I am perplexed by by that statement...
who is it????
so crusen stayed up late and is sleeping in...
so you taking his spot????
Maybe you can give an expert analysis on where FXCM stands now..
maybe you can give a good VALUATION of FXCM now...
I read yahoo finance tooo...lmao
enlighten me as to a valuation of FXCM and why it's in your mind going BK...
i'm sure i can get a good valuation from someone posting on a IHUb board...
how did FXCM acquire CITI accounts if it's going BK????
i'm not sure, maybe you could explain that to me...
how are you so sure that institutions are jumping ship on FXCM...
I am pretty sure they aren't....lmao
Actually I am quite sure that since FXCM acquired Citi accounts that some are already migrating to FXCM....lmao....
you should wake crusen up...
Todays going to be a LONG day....
you waiting for the 8 am chime, to see if there is news???
well what is possible is possible....
FXCM revenues increasing...wow didn't expect that crusen.
now seeing that you want to get in on FXCM valuations,
how about with your educated expertise giving a expert analysis on the impact of CITI accounts transferred to FXCM...
does this change FXCM financially, educate us with some expert analysis..
Yes a lot is possible..
how did FXCM acquire Citi with such enormous DEBT...
Because there isn't enormous debt.....lmao
Once loan is repaid with interest, hmmmm...
enlighten me crusen on a real good valuation of FXCM now...
How did FXCM acquire Citi accounts when LEUCADIA has such a stranglehold on FXCM...
BECAUSE LEUCADIA doesn't have a stranglehold...
I'm glad I know how to read, financials, loan terms, etc...
I'm not easily distacted....
I expect more news be coming out...
I expect short interest just thinks easy peasy..
ME thinks that short interest is really worried and in a weakened position...Why you up so late crusen????...
Shorts fuel for the fire.....
yeah some expect analysis will be good, don't expect anything else...
short week here....lmao
Wow..someone trying to get a snippet...
funny the crashing down today....
maybe haven't been here long, I was ( DISTACTED )
waiting to see if you can shed some light on the next financials...
I am a little unsure since the citi non-event transfer of it's forex account...
my guess is there is some new movements in institutions from citi to FXCM already...or maybe not...lmao
funny I haven't been here long, neither has citi...
but anyways short position is weak, weaker everyday....
then at one point, maybe very soon, some news will just crumble the short position...what can that news be...oh well....
go up, go down, no matter to me, I'm long and not afraid to say it...
no distactions there....
where one makes pennies I make dollars....lmao
I'm liking this otc...pennyland...
I got a change counter if needed....
Why is it difficult to get response...
either the contact info for the website is different than what is pr'ed, or the company just responds to whoever they wish..
enlighten us to the questions you asked if not personal and the response you got...
still waiting on the awareness campaign and some significant reality from vois...
waiting on the next update to see how much longer it will be delayed...
so sorry that Joe only hung around long enough to cash in his shares, never going to see what or if anything accomplished by him...
just the name brand,shows how much it's worth...200000..nothing more...cash burn and shares just flying out the window...
unintentional reverse split coming...
next pr, next share conversion...wait for it....
that's the vois way
Volume is up...
short interest data should be coming out...
with volume up days to cover comes down..
might be time for some major news...
tug of war on the pps...
my guess is something holding here....
with insider selling options at low price indicates that they think it's not going to stay low for long...
timing is in the trading...
fxcm valuation changing, enjoy a ride up very soon...in my opinion...
that's the long version....
wonder how those puts are doing shorty...
what happened to dropping like a rock???
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BTW, FXCM announced their intention to use some of the funds from their bailout to acquire stuff.
what does that mean stuff???
not quite sure what distactions means when you quote about repaying loan...
did you mean distractions...
like if you were trying to type fast in excitement, like it's dropping like a rock....
I can see twitter is doing alot of chirping today..yet don't seem like it is helping.....tweet tweet
how bout an valuation on next FXCM financials...I can't wait for yahoo finance to post it....
actually i call that the short position crumbling fast...
so any guess on FXCM's financials or are you in the dark about it...
FXCM valuation changing...wait for it...
just a short time...
Come on crusen, thought you could PUT a better spin on this...
I am looking forward to your optimistic outlook on what tomorrow brings...
hope you didn't get up too early today...
was kinda surprised no news this morning before 8 am....wow...
fxcm valuation changing my friend...
just a SHORT time before some more news comes out...
funny how FXCM acquired the citi accounts without so much as a whimper from luk....lmao
I was wondering if you could give me an analysis of FXCM's next financials...good or bad???
Fxcm is on track to pay loan...
Luk knows this as well as most do...
either way fxcm is moving along and I have feeling news may be coming...
until then the timing is in the trading....
did you notice that there was almost no activity until around 8 am..
because some nervous short interest waited to see if there was news....lmao
didn't Need it.....lmao
Well this move today was on Fridays news...
but no headlines today sorry...
I was anticipating some...no not really....
now imagine what happens when the next news of a non-core asset will be sold, what type of move that may be....hmmmmmm
Imagine if news came out that the loan has been paid down without selling non-core assets...hmmmm
what do you think luk will say...I know they'll say thanks FXCM..
don't get tunnel vision, there is more here than fxcm...
Well an opinion that isn't based on overall shareholder sentiment...
if Joe just opened a couple of doors and then walked away that speaks volume...
that would mean that Mr Abrams didn't have faith or never really backed vois...
just $200000 worth of notes and a wave to the shareholders as the pps bottomed out...
no that's not really bad,but it does speak volumes of vois's product and what Joe thinks of it...In my opinion
You'Re sure of benefits...
most likely some notes are due soon,so a pr is due right...
benefit who...are you sure a pr is coming or are you just going by what is posted or said...
vois awareness next pr, let's say about 60 million shares worth...
cash burn and share burn at an alarming rate...
yes a reverse split is coming for those not aware of the vois way...
so much dilution and conversions, it's going to be unintentional especially when they delay launch...
where's mr. Abrams....???
what another note....lmao
just wondering on the non-event from friday...
maybe you can fill me in a little and kind of explain what's happening today???
there must be something else going on especially looking at volume...
FXCM did all this with what bad news on Friday...
apparently you seem to be the only one who thought the citi transfer was a non-event...
so any guess on financials for FXCM coming this quarter???
goes down goes up, goes down then back up....
FXCM valuation changing, and again may change again very soon...
see you on the upside....
my bad...looking at wrong figures...
should be 2.5 billion at my estimate....sorry
I am not sure...
out of the what is it 5 billion shares, 3.5 from what I saw is eaten up...
now more notes are coming that's a given...
I read there was what 3 to 4 prs about to be released very soon..
well as it is those will be when notes are due...that's a given..
if vois delays yet further that means more cash burn and that means more share burn...
I think reverse split is inevitable especially if product is delayed...
Now that exit is after the reverse split, right...
with the amount of dilution and notes a reverse split maybe imminent if there is no movement from vois...
cash burn is burning...
silence is golden but not in vois's predicament...
next pr, yes expect a big note...that is the vois way...sorry
vois management have no idea what releasing a pr on note day does...
but then again maybe they do....I know they are selling also...
if a major company had any inkling of acquiring vois, vois wouldn't be in dire straights...
My understanding on the financials was that when vois signed the Cicero group for consulting it stated for one year....
so if Joe climbs aboard for another year well that's another big note...I don't see Joe Abrams investing in vois for anything but notes...
yes reverse split coming...
.17 you should be able to get out soon, but not with as many shares as you started with...
cash and shares drying up fast...
Me thinks someone may be on yahoo finance trying to make heads or tails of this...lmao
fxcm valuation changing again...
I bet the short interest, scratching their heads, $1. What the heck citi...
it's funny crusin..
how some think that by posting on IHUb and other forum that it affects
the majority of shareholder and interest sentiments...
Well overall it might affect you...
i'm not really worried about pps drop and short interest....
no not really, I am a long term investor...
what goes down goes up....
I just wonder if you could give me an close projection of FXCM next
financials......
Well scratch that in my opinion you can't....It's not on yahoo yet
I do know that more of Leucadias loan is being paid..
i do know institutions are accumulating as well as retail...
I do know FXCM shares are hard to borrow against....lmao
I do know that FXCM aqquired citi ridiculously....
but isn't it just so funny that short interest got pps down to a acceptable level to cover, and well won't be able to....
just off the cuff crusen what is your 5 day price target...
mine is going to be $2.35...
just replying to my reply tells me some are nervous...
not exactly dropping like a rock....lmao...
yes bad news is always released on friday...but in this case it isn't affectings long investors...lmao....that means short interest kinda got some bad news friday....
I think I heard a lot of nervous tweets this weekend...a lot of birds were chirping....lmao
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I disagree entirely. And if you recall, I was fairly accurate about the loss from Q1 before it was announced.
lmao, there were many others that knew that also...
was no surprise, surprise me with something not put out on yahoo finance...
i hope you hold onto rosens card, you may want to seek legal advice against FXCM for the short interest losses coming....
anyways bright and early tomorrow morning...
love my orange juice squeezed please
in order to get the shareprice to $5.00 right now with an r/s that would equalto 3125 to 1...
I am sure shareholders would like that...
but then vois would really have to show they had a viable product which one could see and see that it worked...
vois would need to show how it was going to be distributed and how it was going to be marketed... not just Pring it and then delaying it..
vois would need to show some realistic movement if it did a reverse split and wanted to maintain a level of $5ish, without it the pps would drop like a rock back down to here...
leaving shareholders scratching their heads wondering what just happened...
that is if they were to do a reverse split...
but remember vois has adamantly stated there would be no reverse split...
but it's going to happen unintentionally of course...
so 3125 to bring it to $5 but tell vois to show some realistic products and sales projections...
stop talking and show some realistic product and bring us to awareness...
yes reverse split coming...
more dilution coming...
more notes coming...
this is the vois way...
FXCM is like a hot air balloon...
knew that it would lift and last long...
knew the newly nervous shorts would be attracted from otc world..
Tuesday will be a day that shorts wish they had covered...
but that's right it took alot to get down to $1.28 oh bloody hell so greedy..
Accumulation and retail making it hard for short interest....lmao
but wait did I hear that Citi just sold, or gave their forex accounts to FXCM and SAXO....lmao and did I see and read that citi said this was the best for their accounts.....lmao
do you think the timing of the news on Friday is relevant to something else FXCM is about to put out....(WONDERING)....
why oh why did it come out on Friday at noon and not until Tuesday...
then ambulance chasing snippets sometime afterward...
funny how those come out right after a PR or financial from FXCM...
that pretty much shows that they are desperate and just that a bag of air....lmao
yes short interest is in a precarious position and losing it's otc following.....watch pre-market tomorrow...
read the headlines in the morning.....lmao
just a little info power...
market is closed today...
banks coming to fxcm.....c ya
good morning power...
knew the short interest was uneasy this weekend, didn't know it would just go full throttle this morning...lol
today is memorial day, enjoy ,relax, come back in the morning and watch the show in pre-market....
today is a day for remembrance for the united states military and it's friends that stood and stand with it...
to honor the fallen and those that want to make a difference...
so go to a barbecue today and then come back in morning for the short barbecue in pre-market....
happy memorial day my friend
Not sure about a short squeeze..
there is strong potential there for sure...
short interest has been reluctant or unable to cover...
my opinion was most short interest was waiting for it to drop below $1.28 where it bounced off of before...
If fxcm was to follow up with something else besides the cities news then we might see a squeeze play...
short interest position has weakened in it's drive to get the pps to this level..
as far as a week goes I was just reiterating the holiday weekend shortens this week's trading...so some news from fxcm would be icing on the candle....
yes short interest is uneasy this weekend,and soon will be for the week....lmao...
timing is in the trading....
The timing is in the trading..
long holiday weekend so most potential true investors would have left early for the weekend....
Why was the agreement reached on 19th....???
why was agreement after announcement of big bank fines on forex rigging and then Cities announcing that it was selling/giving it's forex division to FXCM and SAXON...strange, maybe not...
I do know that there has been some heavy accumulation on the way down in pps..
short interest has been reluctant to cover and the short interest may be the fuel to propel the pps up....squeeze me they say...lmao
why has FXCM been so quiet???
Well maybe we will know a little bit more or maybe we may know quite a bit more come tuesday....
I also know that there is some short interest uneasy this weekend,especially by reading and browsing through the forums...
the chatter is evident that some short interest is clearly nervous...
funny how the ambulance chasing snippets hit the wires, trying to trump the cities news....typical...
expect that on Tuesday before open...yet most know that those fly by night open ended lawsuits are just news to scare investors into selling or not buying....lmao....
come Tuesday before open we may see some ACTIVTY...but then again we may not...
but I think this is going to be a very fruitful and short week....
once again the valuation of FXCM is changing..
There is a saying that comes to mind and it's,
taking it to the bank...
Yet as most see now the banks, banks are coming to FXCM....
Funny looking at some of the posts on the forums about FXCM, I can see that some are having a very Long weekend which will be not SHORT enough...
love the ambulance driving announcements that came out to try and trump the news of Citi acknowledgement that FXCM is the best placee for it's clients...
Me thinks that Katz days are numbered if not over very soon....
So institutions are holding and accumulating...
Retail investors are investing long term...
Shares of FXCM are hard to borrow against....lmao shorty...
Short interest has become tenable and very soon will collapse as it's position has weakened considerably to get the pps to this level...
Now most know that once the LOAN and interest is paid to Leucadia by FXCM Leucadia goes away...
yes Leucadia did benefit from the loan and yes FXCM also benefitted....
clarification
To clarify, the collateral for the Leucadia loan is ownership of FXCM's operations, not the money in client accounts. As I mentioned previously, our plan is to repay the loan with proceeds from the sale of non-core assets. However, if for any reason, we were unable to repay the loan on schedule, Leucadia would own the stock of the company and could sell it. That still would not let them take client funds.
If client accounts were at risk from the loan, then regulators would never have allowed that money to be counted as capital for the firm. It's worth noting that FXCM is in compliance with all regulatory capital requirements in the jurisdictions in which we operate. The financing we received from Leucadia has strengthened our balance sheet and gives us the opportunity to grow our core business.
once loan is repaid Leucadia goes away....
Shorts had afterhours on Friday and watch PRE on tuesday....
ME thinks that some shorts who have been up all weekend biting their nails will try and cover...
ME thinks more news on Tuesday besides the ambulance chasers, seeking alpha bash FXCM mumbo jumbo....hmmmm
can see that some are cruising for a bruising in the short term....
well for sure green is excited....
would rather get the party going monday instead of tuesday....
would be slightly nice to hear that maybe a non-core asset has been sold,and that the loan terms have been renegotiated maybe even paid off...
maybe but oh maybe there maybe some news TUESDAY....
Me thinks that institutions have been accumulating and short interest was waiting for a drop below the $1.28 to cover or whatever....
Me also thinks that the timing of Citi to today's news is no coincidence....hmmmm
Me thinks for some it's going to be a long weekend....
Me also thinks that for some it will be very short and restless....
had afterhours, but i guess short and sweet really is short and wish I had bought at $1.22 instead of being greedy....
Well i know institutions are holding and accumulating...
I know retail investors are buying....
I know that FXCM shares are few and far inbetween to borrow...short...
well will be fun Tuesday....
Green is just so excited sailorboy, as I am...
No stoploss here my friend, I'm all the way in.....
short position is tenable and about to break.....
I love my orange juice squeezed
Why wouldn't it...
FXCM is moving forward...
client base is intact and 2 non-core assets about to be sold...
quarter 1 yes was not the best but is now behind us...
FXCM has made 80 million plus on loan repayment, and soon will make another substantial payment...
that my friend changes valuation of FXCM...
yes the Swiss swan and Leucadia loan in quarter 1 made the outlooks of FXCM look bad, but FXCM still moved on and has steadily made positive progress as visible in financials and metrics.?..lmao...
the ambulance chasers and fake sell-off in afterhours Friday is old hat stuff...lmao
the short interest is in a predicament and know this....
I know a lot of them have had a restless weekend, wondering on Mondays CC...
Why didn't they do it Friday....hmmmmmm
Well we shall see tomorrow morning....
Why did Leucadia and Fxcm report on Same day?
why did Leucadia say they are impressed with FXCM and it's management...??
why are institutions holding?
why are retail investors coming back?
why are you even questioning if FXCM is going to be here in a year??
short interest is tenable and would like you to think FXCM is doing terrible....lmao
But the financials,the metrics, and the loan repayment seem to say differently...
wait until tomorrow my friend...
you can do either 2 things invest or not...
if you hold a position, just sell it...if you don't believe in fxcm..
if you don't hold a position,buy if you believe in fxcm...
It's that simple....
but really take a good look at financials and metrics,listen to the CC, you maybe surprised by what is in it...
Don't base your investment on emotion or message board traffic...
but base your investment on DD and the data available...
yes in answer to your question, FXCM will be here in a year and then more....truly....that's a long answer to a short question...
Lmao,
psychology is great....
let one think they are at ease and then surprise...
I'm not worried about loss, you are...
on the contrary fxcm earnings quite good...better than expected and close to overall consensus...lmao
But if you want to do some homework, read financials....look for this word (discontinued) ...
I remember saying that conference call would be Monday before open to reinforce earnings...in my opinion...
why no cc on Friday after earnings....
homework (discontinued)...
3 items, one sold, what all 3....hmmmmmm
monday morning news, before cc...hmm
Remember LUK is impressed with FXCM management...
accolades from Leucadia management for FXCM...wonder why???.....
900 million valuation oh and 86 million paid off...
oops maybe more....MONDAY....
love the ambulance chaser right before er, that's old hat...
well hope you have a nice weekend, I know I will...
let's talk Monday after cc....
waiting on the buy signal.
looking good...
very interesting day, more to come..
FXCM
what crusen doesn't understand is that it's not in the best interest of Leucadia for or to make FXCM fail...
which we already know FXCM is doing great...
Albeit the short interest would like many to believe that FXCM would fail and crash....quite the opposite....
Leucadia's best interest lies in FXCM recovering, which it is, and to pay back loan....
Future business's in need of Loans, would be more apt to seek Leucadias help...
what some don't understand is that or would like some to think is that Leucadia is out to dismantle and destroy FXCM....
funny but it's quite the opposite and it's really in the best interest and business and future for LEUCADIA for FXCM to move forward and recover, which it is....
Earnings and metrics in conjunction on a Friday....
atypically friday earnings tend to be bad, but not always...
conference call on monday, hmmm,, not friday...
before open..double hmm.. to reinforce Friday's earnings and metrics...
also we may see some news come out on monday morning which will carry FXCM into next weeks trading positively....
i bet there was a lot of SHORT naps last night....
today should be an interesting day...
it's likely we will see a short raid to bring this down as much as possible and to recoup as many shares..
volume and retail investors coming in along with shorts trying to cover in anticipation of Earnings willl make it very interesting....
It should be an interesting day....
some shorts may have to go long....
all hinges on expectations, my thoughts is as long as FXCM remains healthy and on tract, which is my belief and opinion, retail will come back in numbers.....
wait on the buy signals....
That was $ 2.25 strike....
I think they may get it soon....