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definition of beta testing
Beta testing is the last stage of testing, and normally can involve sending the product to beta test sites outside the company for real-world exposure or offering the product for a free trial download over the Internet. Beta testing is often preceded by a round of testing called alpha testing.
so who beta tested the bci device????
Vois hasn't beta tested by what i can see...
really....by who????
MERGER deals or talks whatever, no evidence but what is put out in pr's...
we all know that the pr's put out by vois are contradictory and misleading..
and again the excellent connections by JOE ABRAMS yet to be seen and tested....who exactly beta tested the BCI device???
Vois has failed to show up at any tech. conferences this year, failed to be mentioned in tech. forums other than paid advertisements...
no real third party interests....
who beta-tested the bci device????
maybe if you could provide a credible link other than a vois pr...
who beta-tested the bci device???
no third party interest,whatsoever...just vois words...words....
no evidence
the only thing revolutionary is that no technology company is interested in vois...
yes we are in charted in familiar territory as there are several bci technologies out there....just google it and youtube it...
the only thing vois has said is it's the worlds smallest bci device,but is it...???yet to be seen....
vOIs has along way to go before it is even compared to the cell phone,that's a statement in itself...
What is it 6 weeks to go before launch and no third party testing done???
NO professional video of it working...
no tech. company backing....
youtube at least beta tested before launch and had some serious backing by Sequoia Capital ...
vois doesn't....disconcerting....
VOIS has been nothing but words and continued delays, constant dilution and big bonuses...that's something that the founders of youtube didn't do..give themselves bonuses...
cash burn is rampant....
vois is just burning shares, while management continues with bonuses...
the truth is clearly evident, comparing the bci device to the cellphone is like comparing apples to rotten tomatoes, we know the cell phone is a apple..
in reference to you tube, just a little info.....
YouTube began as a venture-funded technology startup, primarily from a $11.5 million investment by Sequoia Capital between November 2005 and April 2006.[13] YouTube's early headquarters were situated above a pizzeria and Japanese restaurant in San Mateo, California.[14] The domain name www.youtube.com was activated on February 14, 2005, and the website was developed over the subsequent months.[15]
The first YouTube video, titled Me at the zoo, shows co-founder Jawed Karim at the San Diego Zoo.[16] The video was uploaded on April 23, 2005, and can still be viewed on the site.[17]
YouTube offered the public a beta test of the site in May 2005, six months before the official launch in November 2005. The site grew rapidly, and in July 2006 the company announced that more than 65,000 new videos were being uploaded every day, and that the site was receiving 100 million video views per day.[18] According to data published by market research company comScore, YouTube is the dominant provider of online video in the United States, with a market share of around 43% and more than 14 billion views of videos in May 2010.[19]
as you can see the public was offered beta-testing a whole 6 months before launch...
that is something that VOIS has failed to do...
also you tube was funded by an investment from Sequoia Capital...
It is disconcerting that vois has failed to garner any support from any technology company....
whereas vois has only one employee,big bonuses when money should be spent on garnering support and manufacturing etc...
point of matter here though is youtube was beta-tested a whole 6 months before launch and it grew from there...
vois has yet to let anyone test it or release a professional video of the bci device working with some third party present to verify it...
vois is holding everything close to it's chest for a reason, it doesn't work as touted...
dilution continues, cash burn is growing,etc....
the only thing evident in vois's neartime future is a dismal launch of bci device,that is if it isn't delayed yet further because of funding...
vois has no interest from any tech companies,evident by it's inability to MERGE or be acquired by any....
most tech companies see vois as it really is....just words....
youtube had a tech. company that invested in it before launch...
vois, well you know the story from there...
Last time I checked it was 45 cents up from a $1.00...
how is that Bentley doing???
last I heard you have to PUT on super glue not Elmers on those toy models...
Tomorrow friday, no news lately from fxcm...
What's up with that???
hearing a lot of birds chirping, now lions are roaring...
fxcm loves news on fridays, lmao
it's a long way to friday...let's make it a short day tomorrow...
pre-market bright and early,you stayed up late the other night crusen....???
you couldn't sleep...???
oh forgot you were up putting you Bentley model together...
8 am chime, or could it be noon...
not sure anymore news just flows...
just a side note on the bentleys...
notice that crusen said the shorts were buying bentleys, albeit toy models..
yet he never mentioned he was buying etc..
My thoughts are some shorts are hoping on some put plays....
after shareholder meeting next week the $1.50 will be out...
My thinking this will top off over $2.00 next week...
Shorts are in a precarious position now...
tomorrow is Friday, news in the morning may send this flying...
news on monday right before shareholders meeting will definately send this flying...
we all know shareholders meeting is on weds. at 11am...
funny time but hump day middle of week...
either way a lot of shorts are definitely biting their nails now...
hope they bought some COVERS for those bentleys....
I thought you said the shorts already bought toy models of bentleys etc..
wow....
dumping shares on open market....lmao
options were the shares and to whom...
I see a lot of bacon cooking but it's taking a SHORT time to cook...
ihub news moved the pps...lmao
SEE this is why you are in the otc...
IHUB just posts news, but it seems that there is other news out there...
tunnel vision, just look ahead and not what's around you...
the whole Forex landscape is changing since the SwiSS swan...
do you honestly think that the Citi accounts and rakuten and loan from Leucadia is the only thing happening at FXCM....wow
Now I know someone isn't doing all their homework...
there is alot going on,not just at FXCM...
Sales,mergers,acquisitions, talk of ipo's....
Now who did Mr. brown dump his options too...lmao
what is left in NEWCO???
How much left on Loan???
what is up with the analyst...????
shareholder meeting next week....
So what is complicated,not being able to keep up with everything,or the short interest trying to cover....
I am sure you have a huge stake here,why else would you be on IHUB.???
so what is next for FXCM....????
so many birds chirping.....
love those day-traders
Sad that is the only reply you have...
where exactly did James Brown shares go, to whom...???
shareholders meeting coming up....
seems something going on with pps movement...
after hours a little odd but, you never know...
birds are chirping, news coming soon my feeling is...
What is fast without a match...shortsqueeze....
Thursday, short interest going to pull all the stops???
what do you think???
news comes early 8 am chime....but can come at 12 noon, who knows...
what's your dibs on pre-market???
going to start early or late???
Friday such a long time away but a short time to get there...
don't stay up late...early day tomorrow...watch frankfurt...
sad pandas, always happy....
who did James Brown sell his shares to, or gave away...lmao
what happened to mind mouse, tic, tac, toe...
only tutorial software available...
what exactly apps etc. work with device...
seems like alot of contradictory statements from vois....
the only thing consistent is the dilution and notes....
no transparency....the vois way
have you read the amended letters..hmm
right now you are contradicting your statements..
the word request does not apply to forced sale...
if you fully read the documents then you will see that after obligations are paid and resolved, then equity reverts back to holdings...lmao
the request for sale afterward in 3 years is just the shell of Newco and little scraps in so much words....
read the documents fully...
You should just stick to otc.
Fxcm moving forward...
fastmatch about to go, then what is left in Newco....???
you keeping track???
Don't stay up late tonight...
the 8 am chime comes early...any news??
well for sure bet they love those toy models, the shorts I mean...
along with the other stuff...
Well I know what is in Newco, just waiting to see if you really knew...
MY question has been answered, you aren't sure...My bad sorry...
Not really quite sure if longs are in trouble here, just not feeling it...
I am excited on pre-market tomorrow....
hope this week you knock off early and get some rest...
I know you had some late nights last week...
I'm an early bird though....
shareholder meeting next week, do you think there will be some news on fastmatch soon...?????
tunnel vision, glad I don't have it....
short interest getting weaker everyday...
the more you bring in the better the fuel for the ride up...
closing the gaps...
yes cut and dry you haven't completely read all the documents...
but yes some people apparently have some problems with it...lmao
some people should just stick with the otc.
than the big boys and GIRLS....
so tomorrow is weds. any ideas on movement ...
alot of birds chirping today....
waiting on news....shareholder meeting next week...
I already voted on my shares....
Exactly which is why a lot of times these documents get twisted...
whereas some seek to benefit even at cost to others...
but that is the trading system...
I like to make money but I also like to feel like I make it honestly ...
give or take....
FXCM moving forward
good luck on the ambulance chasers...
Just not quite sure about the green day today....
Did you notice the $1.44 afterhours....lmao...
yes short interest may have increased but it is in a very weakened state..
That $1.00 or .50 pt working yet...
Tomorrow hump day, getting awfully hard for the short interest to make any kind of movement...
just hitting walls...love those daytraders sometimes....
also seems like some accumulation going on, heavily...
News shortly, shareholder meeting next week and I know management doesn't want to let the shareholders down....
What assets are in NEWCO, you find out yet????
I can't seem to find anything...Been requesting it everywhere....
you doing any checking on credit suisse movements...
tunnel vision, can't see what else is going on around you...
tomorrow pre-market what do you think????
per what he was reading....lmao
apparently the analyst failed to read the amended letters or just didn't want to include that in order to make a point, that is misleading...
note below in the wording ( REQUEST }
no mention of force sale....
this is an amended and filed SEC document...
the Amended and Restated Letter Agreement added that beginning in three years and thereafter, upon the request of Leucadia or its assignees, the Company, Holdings and Newco will cause the sale of Holdings, Newco and/or any their respective subsidiaries’ assets or equity interests for cash at the highest reasonably available price. Under the Letter Agreement, this provision only applied to the sale of Newco.
http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=10425739-3575-14043&type=sect&TabIndex=2&dcn=0000909518-15-000023&nav=1&src=Yahoo
The Amended and Restated Letter Agreement provides, among other things, that Holdings and Newco will pay in cash to Leucadia and its assignees a percentage of the proceeds received in connection with certain transactions, including sales of assets (subject to certain limited exceptions), dividends or distributions, the sale or indirect sale of Newco (whether by merger, stock purchase, sale of all or substantially all of Newco’s assets or otherwise), the issuance of any debt (subject to certain limited exceptions) or equity securities, and other specified non-ordinary course events, such as certain tax refunds and litigation proceeds.
In addition, the Amended and Restated Letter Agreement provides that beginning in three years and thereafter, upon the( request ) of Leucadia or its assignees, the Company, Holdings and Newco will cause the sale of Holdings, Newco and/or any of their respective subsidiaries’ assets or equity interests for cash at the highest reasonably available price. Upon the occurrence of such event, Newco will pay Leucadia and its assignees in accordance with the methodology described above.
Just to touch on one word....( request )
not sure but I believe that doesn't mean force sale....
Anyways good find...not many look at the amended letters...
fxcm moving forward
It's OK kraken....
fxcm moving forward....
So many birds chirping...
my feeling is news soon....
shareholder meeting next week...
my feeling is maybe news before then....
good find...
throw in a reverse split and repeat....
expect more delays and more dilution....
pr equals note conversion...
so if a pr thursday with updates, means another note...
that's the vois way....
not seeing a whole lot of buying....
maybe the news isn't so good....
low pre-orders...that says alot
go vois
or it could mean a note is about to be converted..
don't expect any updates...
the conversion will be evident in pps level and volume....
the vois way...
also to just add-on no mention of AMAZON...
just to add-on If Leucadia was to Make FXCM sell all their stuff...
Which I know they can't do...
but if, 3 years is a long way off and then loan would have been paid off..
different valuation in long run which ever way you want to look at it crusen...
FXCM on track to pay LOAN....WOW...
FXCM and Saxo bank acquire Citi's forex accounts ...WOW
FXCM sells HK unit to Rakuten along with white label agreement...WOW
Core business growing, revenues, equity...WOW
What's the next acquisition, what will be the next sale....????
I am sure we will know very soon.....
3 years a long way off either way....
what is in Newco????
I am not sure...
luk ceo turned down bonus this year...
could it be that beef isn't doing so well and jefferies had a dismal quarter just recently....lmao
I know you don't fully understand the loan terms and provisions,
even that what exactly are leucadia's rights in 3 years, jan. 2018???
Have you found out yet what is in Newco???
I know that the core business of FXCM isn't in Newco, so what is???
Just a SHORT answer would be fine.....
just a simple REQUEST....
bet you haven't read the amended letters...
can't give you an exact quote...
I am not sure of FXCM's commision rate...
the citi accounts trade around 30 billion on average a month...
both FXCM and saxo bank are receiving the accounts with the lion share going to FXCM...
I would give a conservative number of 20 to 24 billion in trades that FXCM will receive from the migrated accounts monthly....
commision rates
$0.04 PER 1K EUR/USD - GBP/USD - USD/CHF - AUD/USD
EUR/JPY - GBP/JPY
$0.06 PER 1K
ALL OTHER PAIRS.
also if you browse some of citi's financials you would get some semblance of how much it makes....substantial amount....
what that means regardless is revenue and equity...
the sale to rakuten, a white label sale, revenue and equity...
FXCM moving forward
thanx w
Because they wouldn't..
read up on the sec documents and amended letters....
Leucadia is in the business of lending to companies that are in need of funds whereas big banks wouldn't loan too...
Even if, I stress if Leucadia had that right, if loan was paid off it would've been in best interest of leucadia to void such agreement...
For if any company thereafter was looking for loans, that would be a discouragement to not seek leucadia help...
leucadia is in the loan business, not dismantling companies as some would like you to believe...
bad business there...then Leucadia would never get the call..
read up on sec documents,they will enlighten you..
fxcm is on track to pay off loan, that is what scares many...
the citi accounts transfer and the white label agreement and sale with rakuten increase revenues and equity...
while maybe not all citi accounts will migrate, the vast majority will as they want to keep trading, and most know that FXCM is the way to go said in citi's own words....
It's like the people who say Marijuana will never be legalized...
yet it is in some states and many more have it on their agendas, as well as the federal government preparing to move it off schedulet 1 I believe...
leucadia believes in fxcm which is why it loaned the funds to fxcm...
when this loan is paid off it will be a shining light for leucadia and it's future loaning business...
so no worries here...
read the sec documents,tell me if anywhere you see force sale of FXCM...
I don't...
Crusen you should reread loan terms,provisions, etc...
again I ask do you know what assets are in Newco...???
again I will say maybe you should look into what exactly is in Newco...
also look up in amended statements about what it's rights are pertaining to Leucadia....
I love the word requset...
also crusen look up options in change of control...
If you could kindly show what exactly is in Newco that would be extremely helpful...
I can't seem to find it anywhere...
love your .05 valuation like you going by citi pt, and then if not mistaken you were saying 1.00 before...
still waiting on a proper valuation,I know you'Re waiting on the latest from yahoo..
but I kinda feel like some analyst upgrades be coming this week...
what exactly are Leucadia rights in jan. 2018...
I request what??...
shareholder meeting in 10 days right...
Waiting for the candles to burn...
volume will help...
you got a new mark...
waiting on some news from fxcm...
enjoy your day..
Thanx ospreyeye...
always like the good info...
fxcm
a lot of good indicators...
new investers coming in...
Bullish always...
have you found out yet what assets are in Newco???
just wondering...
on a side note, the amended 8ak....
REQUEST ( NEWCO )
3. Option to Cause Company to Sell Assets .
(a) Once during each twelve month period following the third anniversary of the date of this Agreement or, if earlier, at any time following a Change of Control (as defined below), the Majority Holders (as defined below) shall have the right to( REQUEST ), and Parent, the Company and Newco will cause, the Company, Newco and/or any of their respective Subsidiaries or assets to be sold for cash (by merger, stock purchase, sale of all, or substantially all, of the Company’s, Newco’s and/or any of their respective Subsidiaries’ assets or equity interests, or otherwise in a manner that is in accordance with applicable law) (any such transaction and/or combination thereof, a “ Company Sale ”) at the highest reasonably available price. Parent, the Company and Newco shall cause the Company or Newco, as applicable, and their respective Subsidiaries, as applicable, to proceed with any such Company Sale in a manner that is in accordance with applicable law, unless the highest reasonable available price shall not be acceptable to the Majority Holders. Parent, the Company and Newco shall use their reasonable best efforts to obtain all required consents and approvals to consummate such transaction in accordance with applicable law. Following the earlier of (i) January 15, 2017 and (ii) the payment of all outstanding obligations under the Credit Agreement in accordance with the terms of the Credit Agreement (other than unasserted indemnity obligations that expressly survive), each of Parent, the Company and Newco hereby agrees to pay, or cause to be paid, to the Holders:
(i)
first , an amount equal to the product of the Applicable Percentage and the Net Asset Sale Proceeds from any such Company Sale (treating, for these purposes, such Company Sale as a Disposition); provided that the aggregate amount received by Holders pursuant to this paragraph 3(a)(i) and paragraphs 1(a)(i) and 2(a)(i) plus the amount of any Tax Distributions received by Holders pursuant to Section 8 shall not exceed the Maximum First Payment Amount;
(ii)
second, after the Company and Newco shall have made, or caused to be made, payments pursuant to this Agreement to the Holders in an aggregate amount equal to the Maximum First Payment Amount, an amount equal to the product of the Applicable Percentage and the Net Asset Sale Proceeds from any such Company Sale (treating, for these purposes, such sale as a Disposition); provided that the aggregate amount received by Holders pursuant to this paragraph 3(a)(ii) and paragraphs 1(a)(ii) and 2(a)(ii) plus the amount of any Tax Distributions received by Holders pursuant to Section 8 shall not exceed the Maximum Second Payment Amount; and
(iii)
third, after the Company and Newco shall have made, or caused to be made, payments pursuant to this Agreement to the Holders in an aggregate amount equal to the sum of the Maximum First Payment Amount and the Maximum Second Payment Amount, an amount equal to the product of
the Applicable Percentage and the Net Asset Sale Proceeds from any such Company Sale (treating, for these purposes, such sale as a Disposition) less the amount of any Tax Distributions received by Holders pursuant to Section 8 subsequent to the payment of the Maximum Second Payment Amount and since the last payment to Holders under this Agreement.
(b) Any amount owed to the Holders under this Section 3 shall be paid as set forth in paragraph 1(b).
(c) Each of Parent, the Company and Newco hereby jointly and severally covenants and agrees not to take, nor shall it permit any of its respective Subsidiaries to take, any action that would reasonably be expected to impede any Company Sale or the Holders’ rights under this Section 3.
4. Other Remedies .
(a) If a Change of Control occurs with respect to Parent or the Company, at the election of the Majority Holders no later than 30 days following the Majority Holders’ knowledge of such Change of Control, the Company and Newco, jointly and severally, agree to pay to the Holders an amount in cash equal to the fair market value of the Holders’ economic rights under this Agreement as determined in accordance with the Appraisal Procedure (as defined below).
(b) Any amount owed to the Holders under this Section 4 shall be paid in cash to the accounts specified from time to time by such Holders no later than 11:00 a.m. New York City time on the next Business Day following the determination of the final Valuation Amount (as defined below).
(c) “ Appraisal Procedure ” means the following procedure to determine the fair market value of the Holders’ economic rights under this Agreement for the purposes of paragraph 4(a) (the “ Valuation Amount ”). The Valuation Amount shall be determined in good faith jointly by Newco and the Majority Holders; provided, however, that if such parties are not able to agree on the Valuation Amount within a reasonable period of time (not to exceed twenty (20) days), the Valuation Amount shall be determined by an investment banking or valuation firm of national reputation, which firm shall be reasonably acceptable to Newco and the Majority Holders. If Newco and the Majority Holders are unable to agree upon an acceptable investment banking or valuation firm within ten (10) days after the date either party proposed that one be selected, the investment banking or valuation firm will be selected by an arbitrator located in New York City, New York, selected by the American Arbitration Association (“ AAA ”) (or if such organization ceases to exist, the arbitrator shall be chosen by a court of competent jurisdiction). Within ten (10) days of his or her appointment, the arbitrator shall select the investment banking or valuation firm from a list, jointly prepared by Newco and the Majority Holders, of not more than six investment banking or valuation firms of national reputation in the United States, of which no more than three may be named by Newco and no more than three may be named by the Majority Holders. The arbitrator may consider, within the ten-day period allotted, arguments from the parties regarding which investment banking or valuation firm to choose, but the selection by the arbitrator shall be made in his or her sole discretion from the list
of six. Newco and the Majority Holders shall submit their respective valuations and other relevant data to the investment banking or valuation firm, and the investment banking or valuation firm shall, within thirty days of its appointment, make its own determination of the Valuation Amount. The determination of the final Valuation Amount by such investment banking or valuation firm shall be final and binding upon the parties. Newco, on the one hand, and the Holders, on the other hand, shall each pay 50% of the fees and expenses of the investment banking or valuation firm and arbitrator (if any) used to determine the Valuation Amount. If required by any such investment banking or valuation firm or arbitrator, Newco and the Holders shall execute a retainer and engagement letter containing reasonable terms and conditions, including, without limitation, customary provisions concerning the rights of indemnification and contribution by Newco in favor of such investment banking or valuation firm or arbitrator and its officers, directors, partners, employees, agents and Affiliates.
(d) “ Change of Control ” means an event or series of events by which:
(i)
any “person” or “group” (as such terms are used in Sections 13(d) and 14(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934) (excluding any employee benefit plan of such person or its subsidiaries and any person or entity acting in its capacity as trustee, agent or other fiduciary or administrator of any such plan) other than the Permitted Investors (as defined in the Credit Agreement) becomes the “beneficial owner” (as defined in Rules 13d-3 and 13d-5 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, except that a person or group shall be deemed to have “beneficial ownership” of all securities that such person or group has the right to acquire, whether such right is exercisable immediately or only after the passage of time (such right, an “option right”)), directly or indirectly, of 40% or more of the Equity Interests of Parent entitled to vote for members of the board of directors or equivalent governing body of Parent on a fully-diluted basis (and taking into account all such securities that such person or group has the right to acquire pursuant to any option right); or
(ii)
Parent and the Permitted Investors, collectively, shall cease to beneficially own and Control, directly or indirectly, 90% of the issued and outstanding Equity Interests of the Company entitled to vote for members of the board of directors or equivalent governing body of the Company on a fully-diluted basis; or
(iii)
Parent shall cease to Control or cease to be the sole managing member of the Company; or
(iv)
the Company shall cease to be the sole member of Newco; or
(v)
during any period of 12 consecutive months, a majority of the members of the board of directors or other equivalent governing body of any of Parent, the Company or Newco cease to be composed of individuals (i) who were members of that board or equivalent governing body on the first day of such period, (ii) whose election or nomination to that board or equivalent
governing body was approved by individuals referred to in clause (i) above constituting at the time of such election or nomination at least a majority of that board or equivalent governing body, or (iii) whose election or nomination to that board or other equivalent governing body was approved by individuals referred to in clauses (i) and (ii) above constituting at the time of such election or nomination at least a majority of that board or equivalent governing body.
So request comes to mind as well Newco....
not sure request means force...but then again this is amended...
not really quite sure yet if you have read some of the terms but many are there...
have you voted yet for company election, oops you don't own any shares sorry...
could even see a change of control soon, that would be a nice request...
What assets are in Newco, do you know???
I am just so curious....
volumes is in the words...
email confirmations is just that words...
keep hearing and reading WORDS of (the advertising campaign)
WORDS....plain and simple...
So exactly what was answered???
Why leave the past in the past when the past is evident in the present???
no you do not need a working product in order to be built...
you just have something to be built...manufactured...
Distribution networks and alliances, to be announced soon....WORDS
keep reading those also....
So enlighten me as to what was answered that was so significant, that is speaks volume????
as I said proof, yet so many words...
more delays coming, that will be in the awareness campaign, cash burn rampant, dilution incessant, insider selling...
unintentional reverse split coming, because no major company wants to buy or even think of merging with vois....WHY????
because of words....
Yet to see it as well as many others...
also yet to see a product that actually works...
just keep reading about one, nothing but words so far...
yet to see any announcements of retail outlets, orders coming in etc... nothing but words...
true vois may have signed a deal with AMAZON, but no product yet,may just end up being tic tac toe and mind mouse selling on amazon for all we know...great deal...nothings but words...
but my opinion may change if and ever we actually see a REAL working product...that is one that works...
Expect more delays,expect more dilution....
expect more words...
the vois awareness campaign...what???
I am just aware of continued words and vagueness...
Proof is in the pudding....
where are the pre-order numbers if any???
words.....
thanx legal...
At least some are keeping it real...
hope v reads and analyzes as well as others and understand the magnitude of recent filings..
FXCM moving forward
by your statement if it goes through...
fact of the matter is, is it's just filings now...
realistically vois hasn't shown it has a product produced,developed, and tested etc..just through filings....
I read a little pessimism in your statement as to only hurdle is manufacturing right now,of that goes through then we're home free...
historically vois has made several different statements on a product, which met with delays, balks and continued dilution, conversions, insider selling and DELAYS...
As of right now vois may or may not have a product...
Yes time will tell, but vois hasn't really proven whether it has a product,just by saying it has one....
there is a saying,
PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING....
vois has yet to produce any...
so going by vois filings, are they a reliable source, just go and read past pr's...
vois is vague, non-transparent,consistently delaying and misleading ...
consistently diluting and converting shares...
consistently using names that may no longer be associated with vois, vague...
vois is toxic, enjoy the dilution, why is pps where it is...???
clearly evident...
vois hasn't shown it has a product either...
Bulls are out to pasture....
Pretty sure it won't take a year to find out...
citi accounts on average was 30 billion a month,
If you read the pr's and financials you would get a idea of it...
while saxo is getting a percentage as well as fxcm of the accounts from citi,you could get another idea that it may be around 20 billion give or take a few per month...
now that's in trading etc.
so even if not all accounts migrate over it's still increased revenue either way, as well as equity etc. from the accounts...
so simply put it won't take a year...
metrics over the 2 months after June and financials will tell very clearly how well fxcm will transfer the citi accounts to fxcm...
Just might add that besides the accounts transfer, there is likely also the institutions that will migrate from citi fx to fxcm...
You may want to read up on it, but from what i have heard is that some citi accounts are already moving over to fxcm without waiting for the June 26 transfer...
well you get the picture...
Good night crusen...
Yet fxcm was able to pay 32.4 million...lmao
So that brings the amount paid off to a little over 120 million..
I see someone can do math....
so much for a company worth what now crusen.???
was wondering if you could give an expert analysis now on where fxcm is in relation to an valuation....???
Any idea on metrics coming up...
Any idea on what fxcm is going to do with the 3.6 million from the sale to rakuten..???
is that what fxcm used to buy the citi accounts...???
what are the revenue producing assets in newco???
Any ideas....
i'm not sure, maybe you can enlighten me....
but just to remind you, in case you didn't know the sale to rakuten also was a white label....what does that mean...revenue,so technically the sale was more than 36 million, but leucadia only gets what???
32.4 million....lmao
valuation changing...
a lot of birds chirping..tweet..tweet...
my feeling is that more of the loan has been paid than the 32.4 million...
well I am sure we will know SHORTly...
tweet...tweet...
you need to recheck your facts.....
only non-core assets to be sold were rolled into newco...
reread the terms and provisions...lmao
read again, my opinion...
matters of opinions...
go Vois, delay that
I'm not sure how it puts the company as such risks..
impatient investers do have a right to be that impatient...
It's their money that is involved, their efforts....
Again I reiterate VOIS isn't to transparent, and I expect next PR's will consist of more delays....
In your opinion they are conducting business the best way they know how, others feel they aren't which is exactly evident with the posts in forum..
so it's matters of opinions...
but again to make assumptions and criticize what one is investing in is completely uncalled for....
VOIS is not transparent and the dilution and conversions are commonplace....
hence the pps....
what the company is saying and the way it is moving in my opinion isn't exactly transparent...
delays, conversions, misrepresentations, and cash burn....
complete setup for a reverse split....
wait for it....
as you say....
what Mr. Abrams has accomplished is yes yet to be seen....
transparency....
Fact of the matter was that Mr. Abrams was still consulting for vois...
whereas if he isn't and VOIS continues to use his name, that is deceiving the investing interest and accountable for FRAUD...
I for one will wait to see what Mr. Abrams has accomplished if anything than the name....
I for one would like to know if and anything Mr. Abrams has done besides dropping the name...
TRANSPARENCY, vois sorely lacks there....
even in otc FRAUD is accountable...
so maybe someone should contact vois and get this clarified....
Then you wouldn't see shareholders trying to have info clarified from other sources than where it should be the COMPANY...
TRANSPARENCY....
beg to differ my friend...
while sending an email to CICERO group may not have been the best avenue..
yes the company does owe an expanation as to whether Mr. ABRAMS is currently still working with vois...
If he isn't and vois continues to use his name for PR purposes and for the investing interest, that's FRAUD....
The company needs to be transparent to it's shareholders, which I see almost none off...
now i know your rebuttal will be read the PR's...
I have and vois is vague and misleading...
if vois was transparent enough we would know if Mr. Abrams was still working with vois..
per financials he isn't as his consulting contract is up this month...
If he is, vois needs to let shareholders know as another note will flood the shares....
bottom line is if vois renewed CICERO groups contract, more share conversions will come and shareholders should be made aware...
see, vois is vague and far from transparent...
anyone can PR, but to show results is the best transparency...
i think your posting about his trading abilities is unjust...
this is about vois, this is a forum, not a platform to make assumptions of others...
so posters may makes comments and post info as they perceive vois...
while all of it may not be rosy, he has that right as well as you, whether negative or positive...
if vois was more transparent and adequately informing shareholders, well you get the picture..
good luck to you...
For sure....
saw alot of action on MONDAY for call options...
Not much for PUTS...
was just wondering how yours are doing???
that's if you have any....
was wondering for a expert analysis from you for FXCM and if you could explain why anyone would buy shares of FXCM....
I mean now that citi accounts will migrate over to FXCM SHORTLY and increasing equity and revenues, how's that margin wise????
from what i see there is a strong accumulation in process...
short interest is all over the place....
i have no stoploss, don't need it....
I'm in for the longhaul....
how's those puts doing????