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That is silly in the last 3 months the price has been between .006 and .025 that is hardly stable.
Buying can be hard, they are not solicited, its too bad they could not provide enough info to get solicited. It would provide liquidity in a major way. why do you think they are not solicited?
Why would you say undervalued? I believe that due to multiple legal problems the possible liabilities are immense and SLJB is very over valued.
Any trader knows that without liquidity you have nothing. How many shares are traded on average daily? Pretty bad liquidity is a fact with SLJB.
Real estate right? If you had a client who lied say ~95% of the time would you do business with them?
Very few people in the population are that rich, the vast majority live in poverty.
No the hearing will just be a hold over, but the multiple civil suits, disgorgement and the SEC could well lead to serious financial problems. Even just paying lawyers for all these cases could run into 100s of thousands of dollars.
Thanks! I just wish someone would discuss this terible record and correct any errors, it is a shame that no one will talk about the 44 failures.
It seems you missed the point also and wish to argue semantics. How about hard facts like the 46 claims and only 2 completions. Do you consider it good for some one to tell you 46 things and only 2 are true?
How about you then? Would like to discuss the merits of 46 claims in the PRs and only 2 completions, seems like a sad situation to me how do you see it?
Can you find me some pictures of wooden houses in the middle east they seem to be quite hard to find, all i see is stone?
Yes he does 2/46 pretty bad! I would say he is accurate!
Maybe it has something to do with the forever in love site?
http://www.forever-in-love.com/ Petar is head of Vista group intenational who's name and logo is on the front page.
Seems that the longs here love to argue petty points but when it comes to hard numbers all quiet? Anyone? 2/46 is a pretty bad record anyone want to talk about it?
New PACER fun
Thanks to Scion
DEFENDANTS’ INITIAL DISCLOSURES PURSUANT TO FED.R.Civ.P.26(A)(1)
Case 0:07-cv-60072-MGC Document 34 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/15/2007
OCR
DEFENDANTS’ INITIAL DISCLOSURES PURSUANT TO FED.R.Civ.P.26(A)(1)
Pursuant to Rule 26(a)(1), Fed.R.Civ.P, Defendants Peter Vucicevich, Steve Sulja, Andrew deVries and Sulja Brothers Bulding(sic) Supplies, Ltd, make the following initial disclosures to Plaintiff, Glenn Drago, et al. By providing these disclosures….
Pursuant to Rule 26(a)(1)(A), Defendants disclose persons believed to have discoverable information that Defendants may use to support their claims or defenses.
Because we are in the early stages of discovery, Defendants are not able to identify all pertinent information or all individuals that may have such pertinent information. Nor have Defendants been able to verify that each of these individuals or entities has such pertinent information.
Defendants therefore reserve the right, pursuant to Rule 26(e) to amend or supplement this list. Notwithstanding these objections, and without waiver thereof, Defendants list the following persons likely to have information that hey may use to support their claims or defenses.
A. Peter Vucicevich – 1701 Erie Street S, Harrow, Ontario, Canada,
Telephone Number: (519)903-2577
B. Andrew DeVries, 9523 Winwood Drive, Boerne, Texas 78006,
Telephone Number: (210)310-4895
C. Steve Sulja c/o Sulja Brothers Building(sic) Supplies, Ltd, 1710 Erie Street S, Harrow, Ontario, Canada, Telephone Number: (519)738-8739
LOL in other words "we don't know who has any info that can help us but we may find some one later, maybe"
i am afraid i will not argue semantics with you
i will save you the google
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=tBl...
How about the 2 out of 46 claims? pretty horrible record don't you say, incompetence or malice which do you figure? I believe malice.
Here you are a pdf
http://www.suljabrossucks.com/kwik.pdf (106kb)
I ran into an article today in the Globe and Mail, on biometric locks (kwikset) credited to Annie Eisenberg "Read my fingertips" New York Times News service. Thought you sqummers might like to know. If the article is new news i will scan and up it for you all if it is wanted. If not, at least you know there is some free publicity in Canada's Largest Newspaper today. (pg L7 june 16th)
Cheers
Anyone want to help me add to this?
This counter below is a work in progress based off of Prs released by LFWK/SLJB.
So Far....
Deals/Revenue announced between 04-04-06 and 04-04-07 = 46
Deals completed or revenue verified from same period = 2
both of which are the most minor of the grandiose claims.
Claims considered fulfilled are #33 & #34
Deals and $
01) 04-10 Vucicevich also announced that revenue projections for Sulja should exceed $50 Million for the first twelve month period following the completion of the merger.
02) 04-11 June 2006 as the projected completion date for the Detroit facility. "Sulja Brothers should realize revenues in excess of $22 Million by the end of its fiscal year with the addition of this completed facility,"
03) 04-11 "We expect similar revenue generation when the Louisiana facility comes on-line."
04) 04-12 The company expects to put $9-12M into the project, with pre-sale and final revenues exceeding $50M.
05) 04-12 A second project will commence in the Gulfport/Biloxi region of Mississippi, ---snip---- and expects to realize the same level of revenues.
06) 04-13 Sulja Bros. Specialty Building Materials, Ltd., plans to construct and operate two automated, robotic-enhanced truss manufacturing facilities in the markets of Kitchner, Toronto, Ontario in Canada and in the Gulf Dale/Biloxi Mississippi area
07) 04-21 Tracey Banumas, Director of Operations for CCMI stated that the cost of acquiring the land on Al Reem Island is $29M, cost of construction of the luxury hotel is estimated at $645M, both the land and financing for this project have been secured as of yesterday. The anticipated start date on the hotel construction will be mid 2007, and to be completed by mid 2009.
08) 05-01 Sulja Brothers Building Materials, Ltd. will be involved in supplying building materials to Consultech Construction Management for a resort development on Al Reem Island in Abu Dhabi, UAE. Sulja will be involved in this project as a result of negotiations conducted in Abu Dhabi by Consultech Director-General Petar Vucicevich.
09) 05-01 "We expect ancillary products to spin off additional revenues that could reach the $300M mark within three years,"
10) 05-17 LoftWerks/Sulja Bros. today announces that Consultech's Midwest Operation has signed a new contract in partnership with Intec Industries in Berlin to construct two tire recycling plants in the Middle East
11) 05-17 This project is estimated to generate 30 Million Euros; construction on the site will begin in August 2006; completion date is projected in about 8 months.
12) 07-26 announced today that the company is opening 3 new offices in the Middle East. A Red Sea Group company spokesperson commented: "The 3 licenses for Sulja Bros. Building Supplies were obtained in the Middle East. Ground breaking commenced today in Abu Dhabi, Dubai in the United Arab Emirates and in Bahrain."
13) 07-26 today announces that Wessal International, parent company of Red Sea Group which has been handling all investor relations and promotion of LoftWerks/Sulja in the Middle East, has full intention to move forward with a joint venture.
14) 07-31 Sulja Brothers Building Supplies earned $63,047,611.00 during the 12 months from June 1, 2005 to May 31, 2006. The company made $28,371,424.95 gross profit with a $26,023,991.63 in pre-tax profits. Net profits were $15,879,839.69.
15) 07-31 We are expecting greater net profit performance in 2006."
16) 08-02 Sulja Brothers Building Supplies, Ltd. (Other OTC:SLJB.PK - News) is meeting with Consultech Construction Management and Emaar Properties, in Germany, to finalize a major construction and supply agreement. A Red Sea spokesperson commented: "The joint venture includes the supply of lumber and other building materials for 3 new developments in Dubai and Abu Dhabi. Sulja Brothers is expediting supply chains to meet the immediate groundbreaking."
17) 08-02 "The deal with Emaar Properties will generate $124 million in revenue over the next 12 months for Sulja Brothers."
18) 08-03 Wessal International has arranged for private financing of USD 25 million, of investment capital, for Sulja Bros. Building Supplies, Ltd.
19) 08-03 We are now working with one of the largest investment banking firms to complete the listing of Sulja Bros. Building Supplies, Ltd. on the Dubai International Financial Exchange."
20) 08-04 Our lawyers will continue the investigation, when the phone number search is finished. We apologize to our investors for the inconvenience and we will pursue the publisher to final justice.
21) 08-08 A Sulja Brothers Building Supplies (Other OTC:SLJB.PK - News) company spokesperson announced today that Wessal International is purchasing 25% of Sulja Brothers in the open market.
22) 08-08 The pro forma numbers will continue to increase as more projects close in the future. The future numbers are astounding and the shareholders deserve to know the project contracts have come to fruition."
23) 08-09 The pro forma estimated revenue is $307,007,451.50 and estimated net profits are $93,951,965.18. The pro forma for the current fiscal year is available for our shareholders to view
24) 08-23 CEO Steve Sulja stated: "The State of Nevada has received the assets. The balance sheet has been sent to our auditor and we expect to have the audited financials completed in mid-September
25) 08-23 KPMG and Price Waterhouse Coopers will complete the audit and the assets are contained in the upcoming audited financials.
26) 08-25 CEO Steve Sulja stated: "We have contracts closed, closed with conditional status, and some in the final stages of negotiations. We will release the details of our contracts in the near future. We will include final revenue with estimated net profits for each contract.
27) 08-25 Sulja Bros. Building Supplies, Ltd. (Other OTC:SLJB.PK - News) announced today that the company is building a Design Depot for higher end products and fixtures to supply the builders and developers in Dubai.
28) 08-25 The same model will be implemented in three North American cities, to be named at a later date.
29) 08-31 Currently we are in the process of working on a lot of contracts some being still open, some are in the closing stage, some are being finalized.
30) 09-05 Sulja Bros. Building Supplies Ltd. -- Announces Closing of Abu Dhabi Cement Contract Tuesday September 5, 2006 1:26 pm ET WINDSOR, ON--(MARKET WIRE)--Sep 5, 2006 -- A Sulja Bros. Building Supplies (Other OTC:SLJB.PK - News) spokesperson announced the closing of the cement contract in Dubai with Ramada General Contracting in Abu Dhabi, UAE. CEO Steve Sulja stated: "The cement contract has been finalized, and the contract is officially closed. The contract is for seven million metric tons of cement per year. The cement will be transported to Abu Dhabi, UAE."
31) 09-06 Mr. Shahid Khan has been functioning as a bridge between our North American suppliers and Middle Eastern Contractors. Mr. Shahid Khan has been the facilitator of many contracts in the Middle East."
32) 09-13 "The company financial audit is nearing completion. We anticipate having the audit stamped this week. Early next week the completed audit will be available for shareholders to view at www.suljabros.com
33) 10-10 Petar Vucicevich, announced the acquisition of SAM Building Materials Limited. The acquisition is of a regional "GSD" (Gypsum Supply Depot) situated in the Windsor/Ontario region
34) 10-16 Sulja Bros. Building Supplies Ltd. (Other OTC:SLJB.PK - News) announces the opening of a new retail store aimed at home owners at the retail level. The store has been strategically located in the East end of Windsor
35) 10-25 CEO Vucicevich also said, "We have no intentions of keeping the financials private, we are only waiting to make it more transparent. We will release them as soon as all necessary corrections are made."
36) 11-03 CEO Petar Vucicevich stated today, "We have collectively agreed that on November 15, the audit will be posted for public inspection on www.suljabros.com.
37) 11-08 CEO Petar Vucicevich reiterated today that the anticipated release date of the audited financial report for SLJB was in fact correct, and that the company and its management are still confident in the 11-15-2006 deadline to publish the report on their website, www.suljabros.com.
38) 11-16 As far as the current dilapidative state of Kore's office in Windsor, anybody walking into that place would clearly see that it is under renovations... a complete make-over no less.
39) 11-16 As soon as is practicably foreseeable, we will release the financial documents for all to see, as promised. For we have nothing to hide, as always. And we have no desire to hide "all of that nothing."
40) 11-17 Petar Vucicevich has stated today that a new CEO update will be posted on the Sulja website (www.suljabros.com) by 4 EST. CEO Vucicevich stated that the update will inform shareholders on the present situation. ***IIRC the statement was not posted on time, please correct mem if i am wrong***
41) 11-21 Along with Petar Vucicevich, Kore International Management Inc. will no longer have a roll in the management process of SLJB.
42) 12-11 An SLJB spokesperson today stated; "We are pleased to announce the successful completion of a cement deal in the Middle Eastern region. We have successfully brokered a deal totaling 25,200,000 tonnes over the span of three years. The buyers have agreed to take delivery of 8,400,000 tonnes per year commencing immediately once the buyer completes their banking documents. These documents should be finalized later this week."
43) 12-11 SLJB's lawyer in Lebanon, Fasl Abu Zahr (Lawyer ID Number 9598), has registered all relevant commission agreements with the Seller, the Sellers banking institution, and Government bodies. *** no one has been able to confirm the existence of this man, I would love to hear from him***
44) 04-13 SLJB has had its first success in dealing with one of these scandalous persons and are now in the position of collecting damages tied to the outcome of the legal proceedings which followed the identification of the guilty party through the discovery of their IP (internet protocol) address that they utilized to post their unsupported and slanderous attacks on both business and personal issues involving the company.
45) addition relating to claim #6 -- Sulja Bros. currently generates approximately $4-6M annually from an identical process in Windsor, Ontario. The adjunct of the new facilities is expected to increase these niche-specific revenues by three hundred (300) percent within 24-36 months.
46) 02-06 Consultech merger, financing.....
well get me there names and we can contact them, oh right that is secret.
Actually lawyers did quit (according to Leslie) and i never said it was a fact it turned out to be true the names were just wrong. I WAS right. I was right they do not build with wood, its a friggin desert!. Your personal attack is a sad sign of your failure to understand not my credibility.
You sure are bitter. (end of conversation for me)
WOW, you still don't get that the joke is on you! LOL
i lost about ~500$ and sold at ~.03-.04 , prety much nothing.
Coming from someone in SLJB and PNMS thats pretty rich. LOL Considering the charts relative to your posts its far more likely you have lost a serious amount of $.
"I feel fortunate to have added below $.10. We just don't see that opportunity very often." nov 14 SLJB
"Greetings all. Newb to PYPR, since Monday." nov 1 PNMS
and a post on 10/26 on cshd just prior to its death
Triple OUCH you must be really hurting, sorry to find out.
I would not doubt if he got the idea from them, IIRC DOM has had several fake exchanges quite the scam DOM is, interesting stuff. Unfortunately most of the PNMS stuff/sites are in Spanish it is quite a limitation to us Canadian boys. Where are the evil naked spanish bashers when we need them LOL
Terrell does have a past though, that is the only open angle i see. There is no telling the true believers MT went from several failed companies one of which sold ostrich products to a multi-billion dollar conglomerate with major connections in the Panamanian government that trades unsolicited on the pinks and plans to build a pirate theme park sighhhh....
If i told anyone i knew about PNMS they would think i was crazy or on acid it is so absurd.
How many employees does the SEC have in their 11 different offices?. To attack them over a single incident is pretty sad. The SEC does what they can to try to help people like you. They are understaffed and over worked. Look at CKYS, it was investigated by a distant regional office because the local one was so tied up. We are lucky they got to it. For you to attack them while supporting criminals is very sad.
They are far from perfect but they are what we have and they need our support to do their jobs. Do you like it when people lose massive amount of money and sometimes their families and lives due to these criminals? I don't, it makes me sick to my stomach sometimes reading some of the Ihub boards.
So when is your packet coming from ckmx? Urban has moved on to his next scam are you going to go and give him more money? Are you going to put money into DeVries next venture?
Very true, If it does cause a price drop i expect many will see it as a good time to buy, i know i will. I would have preferred that they got the price high enough to uplist naturally. But you can't get everything you want the way you want it.
Interesting stuff, quite the obvious trend
http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/state_health_performance/
as a side note, I just saw "Sicko"(new Mike Moore film on health care) a couple days ago, pretty stunning stuff it _should_ cause quite the uproar when it opens in the US.
hopefully they will have better luck with sulja!
He is more than a comedian he is sick F*** to say the very least. Check this out, i was just about sick (mt is Mike Terrell CEO of PNMS)
"posted by: makin_dough99 in reply to: seeclear who wrote msg# 53171 date:3/21/2007 9:34:47 am post #of 53238
mt email: mt's response to lies, lies, lies just make sure you have your facts straight. and be sure you tell your boys the real truth and all i ask is one favor. if you are going to commit suicide please do it before you sell your shares. it is bad enough being a coward and a liar to your sons. there is no reason to be stupid as well. i will stand right here and tell you, you are 100% correct i did lie to you. i said the certification paper would be here by monday and it was not. so yes i lied. i was really upset myself that it had not arrived yet but the thought of suicide never entered my mind. i know having a piece of paper arrive late is a bad thing , and i think with some therapy you can probably work through that someday. course the original financials i certified are still true, and the certified document will also state they were true but i guess that is beside the point. i am curious how can you lose money on a stock if you have not sold it yet? now i can understand you being upset if you listened to some idiot that was paid to talk you into selling it at a big lose because you didn't get a piece of paper that was going to tell you something you already knew. but hey it is america and you certainly have the right to end it all over that paper. it is a good thing you don't subscribe to the newspaper i would hate for the paper boy to get the blame for your early demise. what puzzles me is why you do not mind the market makers selling counterfit shares. or your grocer not letting you buy. you do not mind that any one can come onto a board and make claims but are not required to produce a signed certification that they are being truthful. course i must say they do say something once in a while that is true, but then a broken clock is right twice a day. did any of them give back 2 billion shares just to try and help your pps go up? please don't get me wrong i am not trying to talk you out of committing suicide. i am the ceo and i have to do what is best for you and most importantly make the company money. i've done my part i have done that. i said i would release financials on feb 15th i did that. i certified them then i'll certify them today and when the last piece of paper arrives i will send it to you if you are still with us. if you have already whacked yourself and didn't get to see the certification paperwork maybe someone in heaven has it. i know god is heavily in our company but he may not want to give you insider info if you goto hell then you have a great chance to get work there as a stock basher. remember just do it and leave the boys your shares and then you won't have to worry about their future that will be secure. i'll could use a few less moronic emails so i will be ok the bashers will have one less spineless i'll believe anything you tell me weakling. one more thing try to make the suicide note a bit more succinct and to the point or the newspapers won't print it all and you could come off as lookin stupid remember you are going for moron not stupid. just in case we don't meet again i thought you might want to know the paper came and i posted it and the stock made a shit load of dough the bashers left for the stock next door they pumped and pumped without using a fact the company combined a taxidermist and vet their slogan, either way you get back your pet your boys are now richer than forest gump from redeeming stock pdr’s for cash good bye so long what you did was wrong believing booger eatin moro..........................
"Posted by: jake8812
In reply to: jake8812 who wrote msg# 271296
Date:6/15/2007 4:43:25 PM
Post #of 271298
Your crazy. Talking out your ARSE."
Now that is funny and so true. (note reply to:)
The site was bought in Feb and only for one year as well as originating in the USA. Far from legit.
(it is being looked into)
He is flat AFAIK
I have been, no time recently though. Lots of true believers there, its turning into a cult. Would not doubt if the company ends up getting the fools shares and resells them, friggin unbelievable. Quite the scam, even better than selling shares to them. Create an imaginary stock exchange and even charge them 249$ a year to use it........ I wish the SEC would step in this gonna be nasty.
How many wood houses or buildings do you see in the middle east? Wood is used for finishing but is not a major component of building. That is a fact. You have failed to understand a basic idea once again.
If you bothered to actually read it you would see it is in AED not dollars LOL
"Hardwood and softwood totals=$2.43 billion"
an AED=~27 cents not a dollar
Read back they were from a government doc IIRC (I have hochmir on ignore so i did not see the whole bit)
1) I know Gary Rennie used an Arab interpeter to research Wessal and found no existence of them in any arab language databases or papers. Except the one planted article/press release that was touted here.
2) I believe Gary Rennie with an interpeter talked to Red Sea(2 brothers who own it IIRC) and they said Sulja contacted them but that was it. nothing further ever happened.
3) Petar painter did not have the guts to release the fake fins or his dog ate them i believe.
Exotic hardwood does not come from Canada and forms are commonly made of other materials now. Aluminum is one. Sulja has never sold anything to anywhere in the middle east anyways. As Guy pointed out, Canada is a very long ways to the middle east, there are much closer places with far cheaper labour, transport and manufacturing. Eastern Europe is a good example.
Nothing much will happen on the 5th, just more info probably.