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Quote: If one was to look back at your posts you pretty much said nothing works in salt water except your trusty mag .JMO No need to worry so much since you don't own shares. JMO
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I don't like being misquoted. I never said what you are implying. Beyond magnetometers WHICH FIND WRECKS, sub-bottom profiling and side-scan sonar work just fine in saltwater. I have worked on surveys with both of them. So do underwater ferrous, non-ferrous metal detectors. When bold non-supportive statements are made regarding the fantasy land Tinkerbell and how its totally analytical with discernment of the type of metal, weight, etc., etc., that's where I challenge that capability in a saltwater environment. Repeatedly I emphasize the fact that to date this is an all talk, no proof paid promo. in which these claims are made. What is it that you appear to want to ignore established facts? Magnetometers find shipwrecks, sub-bottom profilers find shipwrecks, side-scan sonars find shipwrecks. Tinkerbell is all talk and has found nothing. A laughable issue.
As to 'I don't own shares' I could care less. I'm not focused on up down 'hot air' profits. This company has a zero success record in over ten years, has never found treasure, never paid dividends so apparently the only way money is made is on the promo. hot air balloon rides.
Quote: You guessed it, sub bottom profiling. You could have seen objects even if they weren't buried. But in many paid promos Kyle has discussed the wreck being buried.
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If one was to back track my posts, you would find that I clearly stated SFRX should use sub-bottom profiling along with pointing out the variables in its application. They apparently never did it.
Quote: Using adjectives like clown degrade the discussion
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You're right and for that I apologize. Nevertheless one does not have to look too deeply to see and make logical comparisons of this company (and its consultants) to those well established in the ocean sciences, and see SFRX is playing in the amateur league. Paid promo's with unsubstantiated claims are not impressive or convincing. Fact is, this is a zero performance company in the treasure hunting industry with very little creditability, particularly when its CEO makes (another paid promo?) the public statement of 'we're on the wreck" and in three plus years can't even substantiate this with any solid evidence. Its the old bottom line of put-up or shut up so its hard to put any confidence into anything this company says on the merit of their performance.
Quote: Tell Keith Webb it is probably more than cheerleaders.
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I don't have to tell Keith Webb anything. He most certainly is not a cheerleader here and I would not have been referring to him. Webb is a successful treasure hunter. This company is not.
Quote: Experience tells me you should be careful when dealing with emerging technology, but I am just another anonymous poster that has been in technology my whole life.
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I have nothing against technology. Numerous times I have emphasized there is a distinct difference when dealing with ocean technology. I have worked with some of the best (PhD) remote sensing specialists in magnetometer, side-scan and sub-bottom profiling. I know a little bit about what I'm saying. When the company has a new Mr. Genius from the NASSA sector and he's apparently confused about 3D sub-bottom profiling, this is more than a perfect example. I have posted numerous links that takes one to real ocean science companies, real scientists and technologists who are in this world. Not a bunch of clown town amateurs apparently trying to invent the wheel all over again. As I always say, the bottom line is where is the factual, verifiable evidence? All talk.
Quote: How’s that for a positive post?
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More positive than what the cheerleaders put on here. Kinda out of dreamland but then isn't near everything else relating to SFRX?
Quote: y the first of the year Spain and KK should have a deal struck and I heard someone talked to Mary and the recovery permit is basically ready to go.
Thoughts on a timeframe?
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I seriously doubt Kennedy or anyone else is going to 'strike a deal' with Spain, well knowing they are a pro-creator and signatory to the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty, terms of which strictly forbid private sector contracting and any commercial division of cultural heritage, and that includes treasure. If he or anyone else can legally circumvent that they are a wizard. Isn't going to happen. Look at the knife in the back Global Marine (Pritchett) got from the State of Florida when I found the French wreck or wrecks off of Canaveral. With Spain it would inevitably be far worse.
With regard to a probable time table, finding the wreck that according to the CEO is already found over three years ago (chuckle, chuckle), with good weather sea conditions, they should have the wreck pin-pointed in two weeks tops. Recovery permit ready to go? Why so when they have yet to produce anything that qualifies a recovery permit. Is your question a 'what if' exercise?
Here are two links as relating to Admiralty Corporation. First response will be well look how long ago that was, things have changed. Have they? Very similar pattern here.
https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2001/06/04/story7.html
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/shipwrecks/15511-admiralty-company-jamaica.html
Quote: How has the “alleged” game changing technology..........escaped
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This is not at all a new game as the below listed links attest to. These kind of companies have been around for some time. A past example was Admiralty Corporation and development of their Atlas I and Atlas II. The undersea find all analytical detector that sucked in hundreds of thousands, if not over a million of investor money and never worked. The more research one does, you come to realize what a barnyard load this is. Can anyone even possibly believe Kennedy and this Beaver don't know anything about these companies? About the same as the ignorance of not knowing anything about 3D sub-bottom profiling and its application in defining sub-bottom archaeological shipwreck sites.
https://www.hydro-international.com/content/news/non-invasive-exploration-and-sub-seabed-imaging
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/2005591900_Khosrow_Bakhtar
https://www.publicwire.com/blue-water-ventures-international-has-begun-a-technology-testing-and-integration-initiative-with-bakhtar-technologies/
Quote: ? Interesting? I thought someone was just preaching for months that the equipment wouldn't work in salt water? Now your saying it does and has for years? Strange? JMO
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Not strange at all. I wasn't referring to well proven systems in the remote sensing world of magnetometry, sub-bottom profiling or side-scan sonar. I was referring to the clown town Tinkerbell II. No field test proof, no photos, no patten pending. All endless on going bla, bla, bla wanna be gonna be nonsense. But if the CEO says it, it's got to be true. As true as 'we're on the wreck' over three years ago. And then we have the rocket man who doesn't even know 3D sub-bottom profiling exists, works and defines buried positions of shipwrecks. Or am I incorrect in saying this. Maybe he's the genius who invented it and just doesn't know it. What a laugh. So where's the shipwreck? Where's the TREASURE? Isn't that what this is suppose to be all about?
Quote: We know this laughing stock of a salvage company had not, but real salvors have been using sub bottom profiling for over a decade.
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Where and how do they pick up characters like this Beaver? Knowing nothing about historic shipwrecks or ocean technology. The sheeple appear to live in a sort of vacuum tube totally naive to the vast expanse of intellect and knowledge in the world of ocean technology But golly-gee we're stockholders in SFRX going high tech. even partnering with this jumping manta company. So here comes the new egg head who's doing the Tinkerbell II but doesn't apparently know anything about 3D sub-bottom profiling and its application to finding shipwrecks. I really find that hard to believe.
I have provided links to real companies, real people who have been developing and using these kind of applications for a long time. At the bottom of the first link, look at the references. Incredible people but the unknowing are swooning over the likes of A Kyle Kennedy, these jumping manta people and the awesome Beaver. Its actually funny.
Always, it comes down to the bottom line of where is the verifiable proof? All talk on going but , hey, who cares when you can make money off all this barnyard bull crap.
http://web.mit.edu/deeparch/www/publications/papers/MindellBingham2001a.pdf
https://www.usna.edu/Users/oceano/pguth/website/shipwrecks/marine_geophysics/marine_geophysics.htm
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jarchae/2014/147390/
https://www.esinc.cc/services/archaeology-division-historic-archaeology-archaeological-preservation-environmental-services/underwater-archaeology
https://www.wessexarch.co.uk/our-work/alsf-wrecks-seabed
https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/346552/1/Quinn_et_al_1997_IJNA_Mary_Rose.pdf
Quote: Jmo but I own shares and look forward to what they achieve.JMO
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Woop oop hurrah so you own share. How many times have you told us this? You and many others have made 'hot air' profits on SFRX barnyard bull. Time for show up or shut up is soon coming.
Quote: Very interesting how a few folks think they can run a company better from the back seat. I'll stick to letting Kyle and company get the job done! Things are happening! JMO
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Ten plus years and zero success. Maybe it might work better driving from the back seat. With the exception of making hot air profits off of paid promo's., you say 'Things are happening'. Do tell what?
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So The Beaver did not know 3D sub bottom profiling technology existed and was used in the shipwreck salvage industry, huh?
I thought this guy was the high tech. genius who knows it all according to some posting here. This clown show gets more interesting all the time. Below is a link (one of many, many) exampling serious companies that know what marine technology is all about.
https://www.ths.org.uk/documents/ths.org.uk/downloads/presentation_8_-_martin_gutowski_(kongsberg_maritime).pdf
Quote: You are kidding right? Almost 40,000,000 shares traded today alone and everyone is a fool for buying shares?? You may want to go over your notes and see what your missing! Jmo
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I need not go over any notes. Just because neive people buy int this nonsense, it doesn't matter to me if its 40 billion shares, it means nothing. Here again must I say the bottom line is all that counts. There are no supportive facts, no field test results in evidence. Another paid promo. and all the sheeple just love it. Why don't you tell the folks when the real results will be in evidence, meaning a bonified wreck site and the TREASURE. Until then its all barnyard crap. The bottom line for you and others is obvious. Facts don't matter, go with the flow and make money.
Quote: You realize maybe zero gravity has a little less science behind it than salt water. I bet DaVinci did some work on salt water that is still relevant (hypothetical).
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From my point of view your comments are actually hilarious. Because some one bought the 'koolaid' today your elated. Good for you. Blow off the fluff and go for the bottom line. Factual proof, so where is it?
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Don Beavers and no one in world had any understanding of what liquid fuel would do in the presence of zero gravity. Using the “marine” argument holds no weight with this group. The last time I checked math worked at depth the same way it does at sea level. I am fairly certain there is a lot of vetted data on salt water.
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Nothing to do with marine sciences. I continue to highly question why he's associated with a carnival wagon program the likes of Seafarer's? Your seem to have the expertise to inflate the ballon but the bottom line is where's the proof? Forget about aero space, marine science, Tinkerbell magic ......
WHERE IS THE HARD FACTS PROOF?
Quote: Are you saying Don Beavers, who has done work for NASA on important stuff like keeping the liquid fuel available to the Space Shuttles rockets, is not credible?
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All credit to those for whom credit is due but Beavers has no credentials in the marine technological sciences. Slight difference - "Salt Water" Sorry. I personally question why he is even involved with this company?
There is a established saying 'fools rush in where angels fear to tread'. Today someone bought the coolaid. Of course only my opinion.
Quote: There had to be folks that hated when cars came out! Catchup mustard! Jmo
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You need to be informed that your analogies don't make any sense. You apparently choose to ignore my last post - magnetometers find shipwrecks which I have clearly documented today previously. Until the time when you can produce straight factual evidence that Tinkerbell works and actually FINDS TREASURE WRECKS and not just hot air promo bla, bla, bla, it means nothing especially coming from a ten year and counting treasure hunting company with zero credibility in the field.
Quote: Apparently no one can improve on the mag??
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They don't have to. It finds shipwrecks. To date, the Tinkerbell is nothing but a barnyard load of talk.
Quote: All this super duper real hush hush secrecy is most amusing
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I'd have to call it a poker game bluff hand. But, give'em a break. According to them Tinkerbell works. According to the 'would I lie to you' CEO 'they are on the wreck'. Stockholders should be peeing their pants with excitement. Billions in treasure forthcoming in, realistically, a matter of days. So exciting that even I can't wait.
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“Allegedly” Tinkerbell 2.0 works and is currently searching the site for treasure, and before they find any they go ahead and ramp up production for more Tinkerbell 2.0’s.
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I can say with high probability that what Tinkerbell consists of is a tweaked version of multi-frequency sub-bottom profiling with a three dimensional color coded read out. Thus the reason why there's nothing said about patents pending because there are advanced technology companies already doing this. The difference is they're implying (with out any proof) that it differentiates between ferrous and non-ferrous metals, size weight and all those pie in the sky things. Next they will probable say they can read the dates on the coins. Well, I look at it this way. The CEO publicly stated 'we're on the wreck' (what, over three years ago?) so if Tinkerbell is out there tinking, they should have the wreck and treasure pin-pointed in a day. A cautious recommendation. Don't hold your breath.
Quote: See the second in the list President of P&S. Another paid promo.
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It never ceases to amaze me how another load of barnyard crap (a paid promo.) can move the needle. Total lack of provable field test statistics, photos or anything but yet the sheeple believe it. Amazing!
Quote: 'm interested why the "alleged" mask and....
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Each and all are entitled to their own opinion, but I never believed this from the beginning. I know for a fact that many persons, particularly some of the Seafarer divers on bad weather days have done a great deal of beach metal detecting along the shoreline of the supposed Melbourne site. Nothing found. Then along comes the infamous company 'Indiana Jones' to launch the wondrous first of its kind in the world Tinkerbell find-all, and upon arriving on the scene metal detects the beach and just happens to find the Peruvian funeral mask and wow, a dated 1712 coin a short distance away. All coincidentally happening at the same time of the P.R. launch. Isn't that just incredible? Who has the coin. Were any photos posted by the company?
Quote: After all, they’re on a wreck they can’t find.
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This outfit is an on going joke in the treasure hunting community.
Quote: I don't recall the paid promos referring to Indy as "a local."
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The all of a sudden show up of the SFRX Indiana Jones (Indy), then the surprise, surprise find 'on the beach' of the mask plus the Tinkerbell launch was beautifully coordinated when you look back on it all.
Thank you for your reply and providing the information. I am very disappointed that corrupt low life isn't in prison.
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So all you have to do is make believe.
It would be the perfect theme song for this outfit. Gomer Pyle singing The Impossible Dream would be a close second.
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HILARIOUS.
Quote: Just checking in....Is SFRX on the wreck?
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Well, that's what the CEO said over three years ago. So all you have to do is make believe.
Does anyone know when they're going to put this crook in jail or has he gotten a free pass?
Quote: Oh yeah the mag won't locate gold, silver. Or give you the depth, size, etc. Hopefully you can sell any mags you have before their dinosaurs. JMO
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All totally unproven bull crap. Where's the proof?
Quote: Nope, just been adding shares last few days.
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Flypaper syndrome soon coming.
Quote: The mag did find, was used, soon to be replaced by a new piece of equipment
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'Did find', really. As I said; past, present and future. Magnetometers did find wrecks, do find wrecks and will continue to find wrecks. Historically ten years plus, this company is a non productive treasure hunting company that has produced nothing. Oh, but then we have the 'soon to be, gonna be, just you wait and see, exclusive clown town produced Tinkerbell II, all talk fantasy land technology with no factually disclosed evidence of its performance whatsoever. As asked. No patents pending?
Quote: They will be using the mag as a big ask paper weight!! JMO LOLOL
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State of the art mags. find shipwrecks past, present and future. This Tinkerbell find-all is thus far an unproven technology out of clown town. Like I stated before I could care less how many shares you own in this non-productive company.
Quote: Also, when will we get a glimpse of Tinkerbell 2.0?
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No patents pending or is that all secret?
Bottom line. I believe if you just read a Buck Rogers comic book then you've seen it all.
Quote: years later and still no recovery permit.
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From the states perspective its not hard to understand. They have no shipwreck. They have nothing provable for recovery.
Looking at the complete picture from beginning up to now, its quite amusing. This company more or less launched itself with the Juno Beach wreck, a non producing site worked by real pros. before including the now deceased Bob Marx. Allot of hot air balloon rides on that one. Now its the Melbourne shipwreck flotsam actually found by Heartland decades ago. The point is this so called treasure hunting company has never found a worthy Spanish Colonial shipwreck site since its beginning but has exploited sites already found by others. Apparently now the dangling carrot is Tinkerbell find-all. For those interested in treasure hunting, this is on going entertainment. What has happened to all the government contracts? The company should be rolling in dough by now one would think. What is it a one percent ownership in what? Any financials disclosed on this?
Quote: A + is still a +
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Sorry but I don't know what you are talking about. If you are referring to SFRX, all pros. in the business look at it as a D -, if even on a rating board. Hot air balloon rides, I'm in agreement - A + for sure.
Quote: Your killing me! Lol now how would you know he's the only qualified, certified, person they have? Lololo you have to quit, my face hurts from laughing all the way to the bank! Lololol jmo
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Perhaps you just don't get it. In the treasure hunting community, more or less, everyone knows who's who. I know who Ace is. he more than qualifies as a pro. I'm not talking about divers. I'm talking about pro. underwater treasure hunters / treasure finders. Why don't you sit the pro's. in Seafarer's. They're aren't any by the standards. How can there be when they haven't found or worked a shipwreckin over ten years.
Quote: That's always what they do. Mislead and distort.
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Are you actually serious? Mislead and distort? Why don't you explain to the folks why the company CEO tells the public over three years ago 'WE'RE ON THE WRECK' but can't produce any evidence to validly support that statement. I believe that most definitely falls into the definition of mislead and distort.
Quote: Did Ace leave the team because he saw.......
the handwriting on the wall with the state?
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That I cannot actually say but I do know he had other very valid reasons. He's one of, if not the only really experienced pros they had.