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If there is no news like a court document (maybe it could be filed tomorrow?) the court has been pumping LOL, because today IS the deadline to either request another stay, or to end the lawsuit.
Hi Nobody12378 (or anybody else),
What do you know and think about Genarex?
Are they owned by GERS like it seems from the past sec filings?
The Company's wholly-owned subsidiary, GS CleanTech Corporation, is the owner of 100% of the issued and outstanding membership units of Genarex LLC ("GX"), an entity that in turn holds 36.75% of the issued and outstanding membership units of Genarex FD LLC ("LLC"
I guess they already moved their business TO DA MOON! LOL
I know, the joke wasn’t on you
Good idea to name the date, because somebody might see it as the BIG NEWS they did call
Yes, but that would also be reported, so we get to know what happens anyway. There is no way they would keep us in the dark.
Yes, IMO it will always say what the status is. Either a stay requested or a settlement reached. I don't know how many details they will give, but we will know IMO if there is need to continue, however it might be just on a few points.
No later than February 14,
2018, the parties are directed to inform this court of the
status of the reconsideration motion and how they believe
these appeals should proceed.
We can chat about what KK should do legally, or should not do all day. But as long as no one starts a case against him and wins, what does it matter. He does, what he does meanwhile and the result is whatever we allow, and so far we allow everything.
I think that as soon as the settlement is a fact, things might change. If not, we can all sit by the sidelines, or someone could act against him. But no one knows how that would work out I guess.
There are many companies where I read about fraud, scam and things like that...But I never seem to read I filed a complain against them at the Sec and it's going to be a lawsuit. As long as I don't read that, it sounds more like barking, and I don't know if that scares KK.
If any of the defendants or KK makes a statement about what they want from the settlement, it would either harm their position in the case (because you can rely on it, that the opponent want's something different) or the confidence with the investors, because they might consider it not enough. And what if you don't get what you want, investors would respond to that afterwords, even if it is a win.
So it is in our best interest we just wait and hold on tight until it is finished. Why the hurry...everybody knew this would take some time.
I care that if someone shouts NEWS, BIG NEWS, it is about news from 2017. Because it is fake news then. It might be unintentionally, but I think it is important that to know which information to trust and which not if you want to invest in BTZO and GERS
BIG news which was already known at November 27, 2017 (Correct me if I'm wrong) https://drive.google.com/file/d/11RERZ9OvsBY4qyIlf-7-fyTSTdfdvG-L/view
About your previous post:
I would call it nice news for the Corn Ethanol producers, and related companies. However not much more until the law is accepted by the the House of Representatives. And even then it isn't BIG. But call it whatever you like. Also if you want to call Wednesday news,news you've called for Friday...go ahead
So this news, from Wednesday, about tax credits which are positive for Corn Ethanol producers, is your big news for GERS, who gets a sum for corn oil (not ethanol) produced by those companies. I can see who it can make corn ethanol cheaper, and with that it might be there will be a higher demand for corn ethanol, which can also lead to a higher production of corn oil. Yes that can lead to a higher income for GERS, but to know for sure we would need to have sec filings first. And I don't think this is such big news that it is of any influence at this time without filings.
And it isn't even a law yet:
The legislation is slated for a Senate vote Thursday before it moves to the House where it faces a much steeper climb.
I also said it might not come on Friday because my source never answered after they told me major news would come. Well, I was wrong. Yes, I told people I was wrong when I THOUGHT it didn't happen. Well, a poster told me that I was RIGHT! The news did come... Look on GERS!!! So...... I guess I'm right!!!! Thanks you.
Could you please share a link to that post, so we know what you are referring to?
I suppose that the reply to your own post saying
I just checked. You are correct. So we are inline with current numbers.
Thanks
You shouldn't look at the last numbers you see, but at the most accurate numbers you see. The numbers you got are from 2009 and posted on a website that didn't update the OS. Check the sec filings for the real numbers.
Let me help you: http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=11709532-1087-22601&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=605034&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fsym%253dGERS
With all due respect, if you have a strong opinion on something and you want to illustrate it with numbers, it's important to do your own DD and not rely on outdated websites.
Big flaw in your calculation. GERS has an OS of approximate 20 million shares (officially last reported 15 million), not 245 million. You should update your data and with that your calculation.
That brings GERS market cap to 2 million and BTZO to 1.5 million.
Yep this was a 0.01 stock
Yep this was a 0.0001 stock
Oh, and I’m on an average of GERS just above 3 cents, so that’s also calulated in my bet
Well after we find out the truth, at least one of us can cry themselves to sleep LOL. However, I own some BTZO also
As far as it concerns the filings, the same goes for GERS.
I don’t think there is a reason for a shell in a shell to have a phone or an office. Something might have changed, or not. Whatever it is, it would not matter anyway if we only learn about the settlement through pacer.
But for other reasons, which are enough, it would be weird to think BTZO is the big play.
Why buy the box, if you are better of by buying the product without it?
It means no one is running to the exit, and no one is willing to take an extra shot at this time.
Based on what?
Like I've said before "The AS, the OS, the dilution, the lack of reporting, the uncertain situation about the GERS ownership, the dependance on what happens with the GERS settlement, the unknown how KK would make BTZO profit from a settlement and the fact that not many know the true details about the settlement possibilities and even less about the connection between BTZO and GERS, are probably alone reason enough to keep BTZO down."
I think a settlement might help them a bit, but by far not enough to make them the bigger play.
In the Netherlands we have a disclaimer that needs to be put on investing advertisement. It is "Results from the past, offer no guarantees for the future". That goes both way's. Also a saying is 'failures are meant to learn from'. Yes you can learn from history, and if MXSG was run by a CEO who is known for fraud, and if MXSG would have many toxic financing like a lot of pink sheets, and if MXSG would keep on dropping in price day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year I would probably see it as a dangerous history. But so far, it seems more like they have been a bit unfortunate mostly, and they keep on trying with promising effort. And I think that's worth enough. I've seen companies with histories that where way worst.
I understand you would love to see some result. But are the promises of 2012 still about today's projects? F4Uvet was referring to today's projects by MXSG. Yes you can look further back, but I'm not investing in the past, I am investing in the future. Of course I don't want to see this to turn out in a investment that doesn't pay out until 2023. But I'm trusting on a learning curve at MXSG, how ever you can never be to sure at a mining company.
Funny how some can read all kinds of promises that aren't really there a PR like that. Yes it has been a while, but could it be that the more efficient way of working by MXSG , is also a slower way, but in the end turns out to be the most cost efficient? Or at least efficient enough? Yes, other companies might work quicker, maybe more experienced, but it isn't a competition, it aren't the Olympics. In the end gold can be won, even if you are't the fastest or the best. Money is money. I'm not in a hurry!
Seems like we got a second herd LOL. I couldn't agree more. Of the two most plausible options, another stay is by far the most likely.
The previous stay's that led to the CC settlement weren't just shorter, but also the language used in the joint status report where pretty clear about where they where at.
I now hope that we will get the same kind of information, giving us a good idea of how close they are.
I also think that the dead of judge McKinney, has slowed things down. The new judge might have needed some extra time to read into this case and maybe some others.
Like JB says, this might be some check-in date. And I expect things might speed up now.
Would that mean we only hear there is another stay?
I think the period of the next stay will be way shorter (4-6 weeks at the most) . Also the information given might be more detailed, however it could be that they wait with more information until the next stay has ended if this is indeed just a check-in. From that moment on, I'm pretty sure we will get to hear more detailed information about the status.
What would that mean for the SP? I don't think it will harm us much, because I'm not expecting we will have to wait that long again.
For BTZO I think it might lead to another short period of no-bid. But I think it will recover before the end of the next stay.
I realize it doesn't diver much from the point of view from others here, but I just wanted to share my thoughts
I know what it is. And I don’t care about paint jobs. But I’m just saying, there is no such thing as a definition saying it has to be done at the end of the day. Any attempt to manipulate the stock price to fool others into a lower or a higher bid, either by very small trades, or by selling to yourself can be seen as a paintjob.
But who cares? Go $MXSG
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The AS, the OS, the dilution, the lack of reporting, the uncertain situation about the GERS ownership, the dependance on what happens with the GERS settlement, the unknown how KK would make BTZO profit from a settlement and the fact that not many know the true details about the settlement possibilities and even less about the connection between BTZO and GERS, are probably alone reason enough to keep this down.
GERS went this path too, when they diluted all the time, and the lawsuit wasn’t close.
But since the last RS dilution stopped, and things changed.
But at BTZO dilution kept going. Maybe even recently. But since is doesn’t go lower then 0.0001 and no bid, that has been keeping BTZO at this level.. but believe me, if it was possible, there was a time that BTZO would have been way lower.
That’s a long way of saying, that today’s price of BTZO has little to do with the other activities of BTZO at this time. If any, because nobody has seen a filing recently at this company also.
By higher you mean outside that .09 to .15 range?
I have hopes myself too, but mostly for people who want to get in because we are closing in to Feb. 14th.
However, my expectation aren’t too high that we get the news we hope for on that date.
GERS price has been stable for a long time now. Movement is only based on very low volume. Bigger volume makes this move around too fast.
Some day’s it’s painted down a bit. Especially if the settlement takes longer. But as soon as someone tries to buy 100.000 shares or more (or even less) it moves back to where it’s at now or higher.
This has been happening since the settlement negotiations have been getting more serious. And as there are simply not enough shares available, other news has little to no effects. Simply put, those holding shares hold on thight. And those who want to buy based on all other news, don’t want to buy it because a normal investment would move this too much compared to that news.
Corn oil prices, volume, taxes will be (IMO) of no influence until the lawsuit is over and done.
Also GERS hasn’t reported for a long time, so no one knows what the effect of these things would be on earnings, simply because we don’t know how much they earn now.
Painting it up, painting it down, or both ways?
He bought 10K @ .12 now waiting for the rest to fill at .10
OK thanks, asking for a friend
and above that? on Ask?
Anybody level2? How many on 0.125?
GERS is the one sueing the patent infringers, for a patent GERS holds. If they settle with the defendants and agree on a contract for a couple of years, GERS value will go up, based on what people think that’s worth. With that the owners of GERS shares hold shares with more value. If they also have shares, people could decide those are also worth more, because of the increased assets. So these shares could gain too, based on what people are willing to pay for them.
BTZO could sell their shares of GERS, making cash out of it, or keep them.
Now do you think this construction would be something to sue them for, because GERS isn’t paying BTZO shareholders money?
Good luck with that!
It would take them 100 days after an 8-k announcing that. So I don't think he will do that. a 100 day's might be too long.
I that case he would need to go to Peru
I’m glad these posts mostly are at the BTZO board. It keeps the GERS board clean
And what did the feedback say? Or was it 'Hold on" ?