hey these letters cost about $5000/each,

So now we have 2 investigations going with Nokia, our willing licenseee? Correct---? LJ

why wouldn't it be accepted? Sammy is selling infringed products, importing for sale, and manufacturing products with our technology,
that was a lame response from Sammy yesterday or whenever.
Get a new license like Blackberry did, time to pony up--if they want their IPR respected, respect others---

Turning the ITC into a rate setting body is not what the mission of the agency is--correct? Can't the ITC send them all to arbitration for rate settlements tomorrow? most civil cases are sent to arbitration of mediation these days first---the Apple vs Samsung case is a good example, Samsung would not settle----

In any lawsuit , anyone can allege anything, claim, its a matter of fact that they are today selling infringed goods-i don't care when they made them--I'm sure the license states SELL--no harm is done until it sells---

sure like they are doing with Google , everyone is just falling over to pay them royalties---nothing in this game is quicker or easy---there's billions at stake-----

One last gasp of hope for Nokia, if we don't put teeth into the enforcement of patents then the whole system is failing--exclusion orders, destroy goods that infringe--like roller crusting Nokia phones---Try importing a container of fake Rolex watches and see how that goes--or LV handbags---crushed----
The point of importation is the only way to protect this---or force the hands to pay--

"continues to Sell and import" is the key---you can't claim we made these under an old license---delay and defer tactics--if the USA is going to protect IPR, this BS will have to stop---if Coach handbags can destroy millions of handbags on violation of infringed products, someone is going to have to explain why these products get a "free get out of Infringe" card?

you can declare or assert your rates all day, but when someone doesn't desire to pay, what then? Court? then Court , more court, and finally they claim someone else received a lower rate---and not Frand----

they seem to be saying that the products where manufactured under the license---I'm sure the license has to cover products that are "SOLD" without a license---Samsung is getting bad legal advise if this all they have to hang their rice on----if a product is SOLD in the USA it infringes---why the H-ll would it matter when a product was mfg--, you could jockey mfg dates all day long----I hope they see through this--
then the claim now we all want a FRAND rate--what a bunch of Frand--the first letter FAIR is horrible----Fair---

I sure miss the Onion pit---not often 2 guys can control all but 9 onions in the entire country---G-D like---till Congress halted the pit---I'm reading a book, FUTURES, great book---

A point and "go figure" guy told me that 59 was looks like the future---go figure, Amazon made .21 cents and it rally's, Apple made 13.87 and it tanks--Amazon in the year 2345ADE will reach Apples present earnings---

yes with cranberry sauce---they just carved the turkey---healthy pull back, some news would be nice--more patent sales--new license or an infringers hanging in the lobby of the office complex---with a signed lease---

have they produced the Policy on how to avoid paying licensing to SEP holders around the world?

I don't think he's dealing with SEP, and I don't believe showing all your cards is a good strategy for any business, ever---and if we are ready for courts to set rates in this country---I have a BIG problem with that------the question is who takes off his cloths first? if we are going to open this up to some tribunal in Hamburg, or Helskinki, I have a problem with that as well----

Published rates are a bad idea, and either sets the price too high , remember at the end of the day, negotiations are private and based on other factors: Size or volume, promise, ability to collect--

as far as I know Nokia has not released its rates to a multitude of companies--

So our band of infringers are asking a FRAND rate to be set by the DE court? or to wait till the DE case is completed in 4-5 yrs? who has jurisdiction in this matter on rates?
They as asking a Chinese court to set a rate, "has also initiated contract and antitrust lawsuits in China and asked a Chinese court to set a royalty rate for InterDigital's Chinese essential patents".

Potential trumps results , just ask any coach, and any Apple Stock holder--I'd say IDCC potential is brighter than ever--today--we have more visibility---
Results only matter in education, its hard to determine potential earnings or talents----a lot over look the it at their own peril---

called cradle to grave---wonderful system on the receiving end, the paying side is hard--Nokia is in the middle of the world where no one can ever stop getting unemployment--so they create Zombie Companies---

I beg to differ---governments keep a lot of zombie companies going----

the Finland government will never let Nokia go out of business, its a national treasure---and one of the only things the country has---I could see them being an NPE like IDCC , I could see them stop or just developing phones for others, not sure how that would work--MSFT like deal---the are too big to fail for Finland

my guess it will be rolled into a future licensing agreement, payout over 5-7yrs--this could give us certainty--and forward guidance would be solid--

the tie they have with MSFT will be our ace in the hole--MSFT needs them to remain in business---I find myself defending Apple which needs very little based on results--but you know we should burn all books on investing if Apple is not going to be rewarded at least a 14PE----we also need to throw all valuation models out the window, sure one can make the case they missed, some miss a couple hundred thousand iphones--all due to Supply constraints--
market was looking for an excuse to hammer Apple---

don't they have like 800million reserved for patent royalties on the balance sheet?

or Amazon.com, they will have a phone I'm sure---

Very sorry to hear about your daughter Loophole...that matters, all this matters a lot less....

Nokia vs IDCC

this morning on Bloomberg, Nokia's reports earnings , cutting dividends after 143 yrs, massive layoffs, and this shocked me: "The company’s devices unit had an operating margin of 1.3 percent in the fourth quarter excluding some items, the first profit in a year and a sign the company is making progress with its cost reductions. "
1.3%, this says it all...you may have heard Apple reported yesterday and the talk was they need to be making a low cost, cheap phone--if you need any preview of coming attractions just read Nokia's report---there's no way that Apple will or should start passing out cheap $50 phones, this is crazy---Apple's will and should take the highroad and build to its massive brand strength---Cook gets it, Analyst do not---
And "we" Idcc investors need prices to be higher on licensing agreements.

1.3% is our royalty or close to it? Fundamental business model flaw to me--they have more problems than they realize--

on Apple, what a report---every analyst and stock broker should burn all his text book fundamental investing books today if your going to sell me on this is a 8-9PE stock and nothing more---the promises Apple make were kept, the promises analyst made where guesses---Again Apple needs margins for IDCC to have royalties and they do----

No margin no mission, Steven Covey used to say

thanks, I appreciate that--, still on the trail and looking for end of trials--

we are due, LG settlement, some arbitration monies, not sure they have to announce them, be nice if they did, some movement on our cases--I think our trail dates are Feb, the last big trail we had was SamSung? and it settled right up to trail date, correct me anyone-I am pulling this from memory---

sounds like to me they we are at the mercy of a vast legal maze that might out last each of us---then we become Soylent Green that's mfg in Finland by a former boot company----

Investing is always like sales met with an "ocean of rejection" , simply put at any given time the waves of fear, UD, will topple many...those who don't have buoyancy scatter.....

are we weeks, days or months away from some resolution on our cases? I would assume the arbitration on Intel should be complete and LG would be close---a hint of settlement of Nokia and we are a different company---the game changes

isn't the Surface a wireless device? Tablet with connectivity---

Nokia has been playing the field on 2 fronts, licensing its technology to Apple and others at "some" rate, and then wanting Idcc to license its technology to them at "near nothing" rate--to me the issue is how and when will the parties reach a compromise on Rates--we are only talking rates now-, a settlement that satisfies both--MSFT since its in bed with Nokia, should be added to the lawsuit, AT ONCE--

he needs about 50 pens in his pocket protector, hope he's not making our sales calls--but I'm sure he has the math down---

I think one falls and the all domino pretty quick--the group will be facing 3-4 yrs of constant legal battles, with IDCC and others---

I'd like to thank everyone for the good dialogue, and we are all on the SAME team, we can all see things different but at the end of the day--we all aspire the same thing---and I believe this is a real company with real growth prospects, or I would not be here----

Ok makes sense, but an exclusion order would take years , as we have seen, so why not just go naked till you have to like the rest of the Fins and Asians? just seems crazy to me--

Can someone explain why Rimm was so eager and happy to resign and all our others seem to be kicking and screaming to sign? what's the hold up?

I think we could and I think we could get movement on a lot of fronts soon---we have many battles and some will be won

The connected, wild world, a report comes out of Japan yesterday , Demand of for iphone, down and apple cutting parts orders---WSJ picks up---all over the internet last night---on 12/14 reported Apple would cut orders by soothsayers, not apple---really does Apple run around talking or letting its vendors talk about its orders? NO WAY-----shares are down, best qtr in company history just past---the BEST---regardless of the exact numbers---it was good---
Noise rules for a while