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UPDATE 1-AOL, Time Warner shares rally after FTC oks merger
Thu Dec 14 16:55:00 EST 2000
(Recasts, adds details, updates stock price) By Reshma Kapadia and Derek Caney NEW YORK, Dec 14 (Reuters) - Shares of America Online Inc. and Time Warner Inc. rallied on Thursday after antitrust authorities approved their $112.5 billion union, the largest merger in U.S. history, after months of wrangling.
The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) voted unanimously to approve the merger after the companies made last-minute concessions, granting competitors greater access to Time Warner's cable lines and ensuring consumers have a wide choice of content. The companies expect the deal, which still requires approval from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), to close by the end of December of in the early days of 2001. "This has been a long an excruciating process," said First Union analyst Scott Davis. "It takes much of the uncertainty out of the market. This is a company that is either No. 1 or No. 2 in every business they're in. I can't immediately think of any other combination that can compete with AOL-Time Warner." AOL shares rose around 3 percent, or $1.55, to close at $50.00 on the New York Stock Exchange. AOL is off about 48 percent since its 52-week high of $95.63 last December and about 30 percent from when it struck the deal in January. Shares of Time Warner, the No. 2 U.S. cable provider after AT&T Corp., rose 2.6 percent, or $1.90, to $74.50 on the NYSE. They reached a 52-week high of $105.50 in March and a
52-week low of $57.51 in October. Some analysts had expressed concerns that the government would exert to heavy a hand in the deals the combined company makes with ISPs that would ultimately constrict the companies and ultimately its share value. "That doesn't appear to be the case," said William Blair & Co. analyst Abhishek Gami. "The conditions set out are not out of line. But AOL Time Warner will have to aggressively go out and attract customers to its cable lines. We don't expect it to be an issue." The marriage will create an entertainment and online juggernaut, with content ranging from Bugs Bunny and Time Warner's many other film and music properties, Time and People magazines, HBO and CNN cable TV networks. AOL, the world's largest Internet services provider, has nearly 29 million subscribers, instant messaging services and the Netscape Netcenter business. The remaining risk, Gami said, is how well the two companies execute their business strategy. "Time Warner has one of the greatest stables of entertainment assets," he said. "AOL has a huge customer base and is a potential leader in digital distribution. The two companies now have to show they can make it work." The two companies' shares took a beating after the deal was struck in January amid initial concerns the merger would slow AOL's growth. More recently a general cloud over the Internet sector has pressured AOL shares, cutting the value of the deal by about one third from $164 billion when it was announced. "Investors may take more of a wait and see approach and need actual proof that the merger is going to create benefits (after an FTC approval)," said Fred Moran, analyst at Jefferies & Co. "I think the stocks go up on the merger approval because both companies clearly stand to benefit to be part of a more dominant company," said Moran. The FTC's conditions on the approval apply for five years, but if Time Warner fails to enter into agreements with additional rival Internet service providers in the required time period, the FTC may appoint a trustee with authority to agree on deals. Time Warner extended a hand toward one AOL rival last month, reaching a deal with Earthlink Inc., the nation's No. 2 Internet Service Provider, to offer high-speed Internet service in the second half of 2001.
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Well, I paid a visit to the Yahoo DIG Board!
Surpisingly, SayZero for ONCE had more than ZERO to say! He seems to like this idea that DIG might buy out Yahoo! In fact, he says he 'predicted it' DAYS AGO! LOLOL!
Nonetheless, I sparred with him a little...since one of his posts tonight on the Yahoo board was asking if the IDIOT (me) was still around proclaiming 300 by 2000!
At least I took it to mean me. (Grandpadude, maybe he meant YOU! LOL!)
Here's what I had to say there.....
http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=1600465569&tid=go&sid=1600465569&mid=8152
DickMN, I understand!
Not to be argumentative, but I am curious...
Do you own stock now in both DIG AND YHOO??
Just some open minded thoughts about all this...
IF IF IF DIG and YHOO merge, the combined entity will be worth approximately ONE THIRD of ALL OF the DISNEY CORPORATION.
That's a loooooong cry from when Disney, a then approximately 40 Billion Dollar Corporation owned 43% of Infoseek, a then $500 MILLION Internet Company, wouldn't you say?
Ya know, Eisner still ****es me off over all the past shenanigans as well, but it seems that the recent alliances of the past week, i.e. Compaq, Pillsbury, and now YAHOO (and the exciting speculative BUZZ) all seem to say that things are changing for the Internet, for Mr. Eisner, and fortunately for us as well!!
For three long years the general internet discussion has been about the TOTAL MERGING of the New Media with the Old Media! It was a battle. Lines were drawn. Erased. Redrawn. Reerased.
I like the 'current redrawing'.
Let's Speculate....
I just did some quick research...
Back when Yahoo was $250 per share it's Market Cap approached $140,000,000 (yes, BILLION)
Today, it is just under $20 Billion
Disney is currently worth $60 Billion
DIG is worth (as of today) just UNDER $1 Billion
Today, Yahoo is worth only THREE TIMES what ALL OF INFOSEEK WAS WORTH as GO.COM when Disney bought SEEK out in November of '99!!!!
(It was once worth as much as TWENTY TIMES as much as SEEK!!!!! And we think we've 'GOt it bad'?)
Now, to speculate...
IF IF IF Disney were to 'entertain' (get it?) buying Yahoo, just WHAT would the terms of the merger be?
One share of Disney for each 3 shares of Yahoo?
20 shares of DIG for each ONE share of Yahoo?
Would the Merger be right to justify DISNEY shareholders in any way?
Would it be wise for DIG to increase the number of shares by TWENTY FOLD in order to have Yahoo under the DIG Umbrella?
Gang, remember when we used to crunch the numbers to no end, and still end up on the wrong side of the tracks?
Let's chat about this. Isn't it what we have tortured ourselves over for so long as believers in SEEK/GO/DIG ????
Heck, I wouldn't even mind hearing SayZero's comments about this. LOL! Or even GJ's????
Hmmmmmm....I think I'll visit the Yahoo DIG Message Board !!! Why not! Soon, we may OWN IT! Hahahaha!
Disney to buy YAHOO??
WOW, how times change. This is something for the first time in a very long time worth chatting about like the ole ole days on SEEK!
I can't remember right now what the market cap of Yahoo was when it was at 250 per share a while back, but remember when it was that everyone was saying they YAHOO should buy DISNEY ???
Imagine Yahoo as a PART of the Disney Internet Group!
Imagine...
.....(you may saaa.aaa..aa...ay I'm a dreamer.
But I'm not the only one.....)
http://www.ragingbull.altavista.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=YHOO&read=24697
What EVIL lurks???
What evil lurks in the minds of psychotic investors who are down over 80% in their portfolio in the last two years? Eh?
Could the devastation in the market (or the stupidity of faith in a company or companies) cause well intentioned investors such as I to stoop to the lowly need to create a "NICKname" to use to simply cajole and harass the world of GJ aliases throughout the internet?
I confess. Guilty as charged.
Yes, I am JollyOleStNick on Raging Bull.
*Born 30 minutes aGO! ROFL!
(Nick, please! You gave me coal LAST YEAR!)
http://www.ragingbull.altavista.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=WLGS&read=55966
So, I deny it ALL! LOLOLOLOL!
I love the internet!
hehehehehehe!
Happy Holidays ALL!
http://www.ragingbull.altavista.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=WLGS&read=55965
Investment Holiday Spirit!
Good morning all. As you know, every investment board seems to have a basher! (Remember GJ? lol)
Well, the WLGS Board that I post on has a couple!
(or three). Mostly, the poster called Porsche is the king of bashing there, and he incessantly is barking about how terrible this stock is, all the while OWNING NONE! (if you can believe that!) He posts 20 to thirty times a day asking "How Many Shares are Outstanding?" "The company has TOXIC Convertible Bonds!" And the funniest is when he wants to propose a scenario...he likes to say..."IF IF IF IF IF...."
So, I composed a little Christmas Post to him on Raging Bull tonight. I just wanted to share it with you all.
May all of your investments turn out bigger than your dreams!
Merry Christmas Everyone!
http://www.ragingbull.altavista.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=WLGS&read=55962
So much for Buzz Daily, .....
the World Brightening new GENIUS of Go.com....
Epitaph attached....
http://boards.go.com/cgi/generic/request.dll?MESSAGE&room=Buzz_Daley&id=23
SANTA CLAUS GOES WIRELESS
A recent clever innovative Press Release from a privately held company here in Pennsylvania...
http://www.pdastreet.com/articles/2000/12/2000-12-5-Santa-Claus-Goes.html
OK, Rethinking that last thought...
DAMN! Over 197,500 posts. On one board on GO.COM!
Since less than a month aGO!
Hell's Bells, I bet that even FattMatt would dance with a lampshade on his head if he could get any ONE BOARD to have this many posts on one of his boards, eh Fatt Matt?
Maybe I'm just "underly exuberant", or just plain ole disgusted.
Who in the ....................KNOWS?
Gnite!
Over 197,500 posts and counting...
On the 2000 Elections Message Board at ABCNEWS/Moneyscope.com.....
And I can't even get a word in 'edgewise'!
I tried tonight for two hours to post how GREAT Moneyscope would BE .... IF.....it had the original Message Board Format that was created way back when.....
http://boards.go.com/cgi/boards/request.dll?LIST&room=abcnews_election
The Message Board Monitors just kept deleting my posts as though they were some kind of GODS or GODDESSES!
Am I ****ed off? You bet I am!
I don't think I am much longer faithful to hold hope for this investment. OUCH! SIGH.
I'm here, Meme,
Just too tired from too many hours at work to have much to say.
I breeze in and out each night to catch up on the latest on DIG here, and I thank everyone for keeping up with the latest for me.
I agree, DIG is perhaps finally getting it right, it's just a damn shame they had to make it all SO WRONG, FIRST!
The BUZZ DALEY Message Board!
It's all new!
It's from GO.COM!
Buzz Daley, (not to be confused with "Daily Buzz", hehehe) sent his first "From the word GO" Newsletter out today. Did you all get it?
I thought it was a clever new way to communicate with the users of GO.COM!
Buzz has a superb sense of humor, and more importantly Buzz has a Buzz Daley Message Board on GO.COM!
So I visited the board, and based upon his newsletter of his desire to respond to all posts with the words "World Brightening Genius" in them on his Message Board, I offered the following....
http://boards.go.com/cgi/generic/request.dll?MESSAGE&room=Buzz_Daley&id=9
Whatta ya say?
Meet me there?
Meme, you hit the nail RIGHT on the HEAD!
It's clear to me by now that GO.com HAD to stop Money.go.com because Mr. Eisner couldn't bear to read any more words on his "VERY OWN WEBSITE" about how badly he has/was/is handling this.
I hope the Roy Disney Rumor is true.
Eisner's gotta GO!
Such happier times, no?
http://web.infoave.net/~tonymc/beatles/Beatle21.wav
DickMN, an amendment to the US Constitution CAN and has been amended ("changed") many times!!!
The very term "amendment" means to amend, or "change" the Constitution.
The most famous amendment ("change") to the US Constitution related to Prohibition of Alcohol.
It was voted as approved rapidly, and almost as rapidly, it was very soon...ammended...(changed)....REPEALED!
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/rnp/RNP9.html
Hope this helps.
Rollin...from Sonja Beals Iribarren...
Don't give up on the GO Portfolio just yet.
Read on....
From: Sonja.Beals.Iribarren@disney.com (Beals Iribarren, Sonja) Date: Thu, Nov 16, 2000, 12:27pm (EST-3) To: dpb5@webtv.net Subject: RE: Abcnews.com Message Boards
Hi -
This is what I have learned:
The reason all the money boards were pulled from Go.com is that they don't fit with the new
product relaunch, which is focused on Recreation, Entertainment, and Leisure.
Then someone at ABCNEWS asked me to offer you this:
Dear Dave
Thank you for your email regarding the boards. We'd like to apologize for the less-than-smooth transition of the financial boards from Go.com to ABCNews Moneyscope. We should have had more communication with the community so that everyone knew what to expect.
For many months now, the initiative here at MoneyScope has been to transition GO Money over to MoneyScope. Unfortunately, this transition has not been completed. Key to delaying this transition is the custom portfolio application. Until we can be absolutely sure that porting over existing GO Money portfolios to MoneyScope will happen seamlessly, we can not make the
redirect from GO Money to MoneyScope happen. This delay has caused us to constantly update the site notices on the GO Money pages.
In regards to the message boards on GO Money, the decision was made to take them down. No one could continue to support them, as there are no "GO Money" staff. Site notices were posted on each board to let users know that they would be going away. MoneyScope has generic message boards but will not have ticker based boards.
My just emailed email to Sonja Beals Iribarren at Disney Investor Relations!
(She recently had a baby, who seems to be wanting to cry all night long! Poor Gal!)
***********************
Hi Sonja,
I hope that all is well with you and yours, and that you are finally, or SOON, able to sleep through the nights.
Sonja, please take the time to read through the posts on the link I have provided to the Moneyscope Message Board at GO.COM! Please?
Particularly those of the last few days.
All of the investors in DIG are still posting regularly on another Message Board, but we continue to be frustrated that we have been tossed aside, our Message Boards at MONEY.GO.COM were killed, and we were told that on October 2 that Moneyscope at ABCNEWS.COM would be the NEW SITE for MONEY.GO.COM!
We assumed that to mean that Individual Stock Boards including those of DIS and DIG would be available.
On or about October 5th, the MONEY.GO.COM site changed the timing to OCTOBER. (meaning SOMETIME in October!) On or about October 30, it was changed to NOVEMBER!
We're still waiting.
And this Adam Glenn, known as BIZEDITOR for the Moneyscope Webpage is acting oblivious to any knowledge regarding the above, and moreso, he stated that he can "only speak for ABCNEWS.COM, and NOT GO.COM!"
I urge you, no......I implore you......
Please help the investors in DIG to understand what the heck is GOing on here!
Thanks,
Dave
Yahoo's view on AOL and Go.com.....
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/business/DailyNews/yahoo_reax000112.html
My just posted post to Adam Glenn at Moneyscope!
http://boards.go.com/cgi/abcnews/request.dll?MESSAGE&room=abcnews_moneysco&id=153
Fairchild and Eurosport????
Having visited the Earnings Report Pages at Investor Relations Website for DIG, I noticed that in the last year they say that we sold Ultraseek. We all knew about that one, and discussed it at length.
However, it also shows that we had gains from the sale of FAIRCHILD and EUROSPORTS!
Anyone have any idea what those assets were, and how they ever had any relation to DIG?
Did we somehow miss those Press Releases???
Finally, an article that puts the Internet in Perspective!
The top 15 to 20 Internet Companies today will be the ultimate long term leaders!
Those who remember my posts 14 to 15 months ago on the SEEK board at Go.com will remember that I had seen this coming.....
Priceline is now below $4 per share! Who'da thunk?
Disney Internet Group (DIG) is very very well positioned based upon this article!
Also, remember my prediction back then that 'over time' Yahoo would come down to meet the level of DIG over the course of time? The recent earnings news IMHO is fantastic! Did you see how close the actual results were to the Pro Forma of last year? I also like the way they presented it on the DIG Investors' Website.
Are we current investors still in shock over the decline in value we have suffered? Of course we are. Yet, I have this strange feeling that we're not the dumbest investors in the world AFTER ALL!
Enjoy this fantastic read....
http://cgi.cnnfn.com/output/pfv/2000/11/09/technology/overview/
Lucky, I AM!
Thanks Meme!
I am never sure about nothin', not even SHISHKABOBS.
After all, I invested in SEEK, remember? ROFL!
Anyways, I visited the MB for the Find the Fun Challenge. There they suggested the answer was either Grill, or Grate, or Fire.
At least mine is more intruiging! And I DID find it by searching the word THRILL 'within the results' of FOOD!
Maybe I am the only lonely sole with all 24 correct answers. I'll let ya know!
Thanks again!
Meme, HELP! Find the Fun Challenge...
OK, I am ready to submit my 'final answers' in the contest.
I believe that I answered the categories on Oct. 31, (was the answer Halloween?) and I need the category for November 4th please?
Remember, my webtv screen won't show the whole width so I can't SEE the blessed categories for every fourth day on the right side of screen. Thanks!
P.S. Regarding the FOOD Category...
Throw the steak on the .......
I believe I finally found the correct 11 letter answer.....SHISHKABOBS!
Hurry, answers must be submitted by NOON PST TOMORROW!
Help needed for Find The Fun Challenge ...
For some stupid reason, the entire calendar for the Find The Fun Challenge will not appear on my WebTV!
:(
I need to know the categories for October 19, 23, and 27th. THANKS!
Also, October 25th, category if FOOD....is the answer "rotisserrie"? Seems to be, but I cannot verify the correct spelling. Help!
Anyone else playing??
MORE Keeping Track of Steve Kirsch....
http://www.propel.com/press/pr_001023.html
Keeping track of Steve Kirsch...
http://www.propel.com/press/pr_001016.html