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trouble ,
Ownership %'s
Please provide links to your/Franks claims .
To date IMO he is a proven liar .
It's curious how you use what you want for DD , and everything else is crap .
Name ONE thing you've predicted that's come true , besides the pps .
THAT was foreseeable in hindsight ;)
Start/end/middle with the BK you called in October '05 .
I'll check in later for you rhetoric .
Thanks .
trouble , quickly ,
2 questions;
"Because TMM DOES WHOLLEY own QTN , and its assets and its revs .
And WE own TMM , , , No ?"
1) Is TMM liable for QTN's debt and promisary contracts ?
2) Has QTN issued shares that no one is aware of ?
Only answer what you know !
trouble_maker ,
You have been saying the same (monotonous) thing for years .
On a techicality you glom onto like a fking tick , you are right . And that gives you the free reign to go everywhere and keep saying the same thing . Alls well .
"NO COMMON SHAREHOLDER IN QBID(TMM) OWNS ANY OF THIS STOCK!!!!"
EXCEPT , , , , that UNTIL TMM or whomever you are trying to make the benefactor of "QTN shares" actually issues them SEPARATELY into the market , your big thesis is just that .
Because TMM DOES WHOLLEY own QTN , and its assets and its revs .
And WE own TMM , , , No ?
To date , I can't remember ONE thing you've ranted about that's come true .
[Any normal person would relent]
I'm not talking about filings and such that existed BEFORE you brought them out over and over and over .
I am talking about PREDICTIONs .
So , stick with your fairy tale , and we'll stick with ours .
BTW; I am not going to debate this with you . One post is all you get . I have a life .
Bye bye
ltesprit/zez,
I am replying out of shear bordom .
Lets see , we have established;
~ That you don't have any shares , right ?
~ And you don't WANT any shares , right ?
~ And you think QBID is done , right ?
~ And all you do is chase people (pro OR con) around the MB , right ?
~ And you really don't have much to say , right ?
So WTF are you doing here ?
Right ?
I posted in my last post ,
""QTN is done" .
Ok , you've got it off your chest . And ?"
~ That was for the goobers that keep insisting on doom with No company update .
I myself prefer to wait until there is company confirmation of ANY info before thinking about a next phase .
What the hell , at this point no news is good news .
Just once I'd like to see , some busted balls and announce the biggest BB ever completed .
I have a question ,
What is the point of sputnik and profithunter , and whom ever else keeps on posting the same shat over and over ?
"QTN is done" .
Ok , you've got it off your chest . And ?
Hi yall ,
I am going to wade in here since there seems to be some holes in the "stories being told' tonite .
And I am going to claim the fifth on ignorance NOT incrimination .
Going back (I strongly suspect BEFORE nutty hansenc's entrance) to the "run-up" coinciding with the first New-Orleans/NTI show , Frank dumped (approx) 2 billion shares @ (approx) .01 - .028 . That play should have netted him somewhere around (verrry loosely) $15+mil .
THATttttt should have set the stage for a bugetable (WITH financing) 'going forward' biz plan .
So , to try to imply he was running this show on the up and up is a stretch . Just the fact of Frank & co saying for over a year that he was/is reducing/lowering the share structure while continuously SELLING into it IMO lands his ass in Levenworth OR the neQueerst fine facility .
We have hansenc (who remains anonymous) trying his hardest to convince us of Who The Fk Knows What , explaing the stock market to US . Thank You sir , ,, now STFU and get a job .
Tell your New cohorts your stories and how if YOU would have had a say .
As for Mr Hagan , please asnswer my questions (#252956 & #252958) before you continue in hansenc's wake . You are just short of needing a wakeboard and a rope .
Tying Fan to Dave (with criminal checks no less) is another whopper stretch . Unless PROVEN otherwise , I have to think Mr Fan was in a whole different in neck of the woods at that time period .
[Criminal ck . Infkingdeed . At that time Dave was tring to keep his divorcing wife out of his ass EOM]
I'm not going to disect these tales much further than to say ,,, like any good hogwash , alittle truth smoothered in BS is the ingrediants for crap stew .
If any of the long investors want to chime in you're welcome . It's not like I'm the only one on this trip .
However this turns out , I wish all the nice folks that got bit don't become too bitter at being lied to and abused by so many .
Nite .
Looks the march of the penguins here .
HAPPY MOTHERS DAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The last post first .
Almost a year ago I saw (and posted) what I thought would be an amazing opportunity that could be had by TMM buying (a) gay based magazine(s) and web oriented media(s) to co-op with the network . It makes Sooooo much sense . As has been said , too bad Frank didn't have more on the ball . He could have really made something out of this .
Kudo's to hereTV . Smart smart IMO .
Now , lets take a look at some reactions from me trying to get 'the other frank' to answer up to his phone call with Mr Fan . If I might say , very interesting or boring , depending on your humor curve .
Posted by: Delfino
In reply to: InAnotherLife
"My goodness, you're an angry young man, aren't you?
I assume, with your continual 'get a job, and get off these boards' comments to the ex-QTV posters on here, is that you're A.) independently wealthy, and can spend your days counting cash and perusing the internet, or B.) wasting time at work viewing message boards on company time.
In either case, you're undoubtedly a Republican. I feel your pain.
~ I think my "Succinctly" post was a great response to such a smug post to me . BUT , giving someone some of theirown medicine sparked this little jewel .
Posted by: marketbear
In reply to: InAnotherLife
"You seem rather bitter...........and a little creepy. I don't understand the reasoning behind some of your questions."
~ I guess I should help our marketbear with understanding;
1st) Not bitter my friend . Just want to level a playing field . And apparently I have . The people coming on here and RIPPING our investment have tappered off in the face of opposition .
2nd) "creepy" ? Ya got me there . I'm not sure what is "creepy" about standing strong in the face of destructive intentions .
3rd) My questions to 'the other frank' were to ferret out and legitimize HIS attempt at undoing katerinas alledged convo with Mr Fan . Apparently he didn't feel the need to (or he COULDN'T) respond . Odd don't YOU think ?
Posted by: lobogotti
"A bit testy, huh? What seems to be the trouble?"
~ Thank You lobo , for allowing me to address what I feel was/is an unfair and VERY lopsided attack on MY investment .
That you didn't intervene somewhat regains my regard for you .
Posted by: RedFox7
In reply to: InAnotherLife Anotherlife-
"Curious- how long have you
owned this stock and have you followed it
closely for the last 18 months?"
~ I have been in this investment for 3ish years , and have been (often) an active participant both on the message boards AND in company contact and review . I know as much about this company as you and most others trying to make sense of where we're at .
Posted by: TheDukeOfEarl
In reply to: InAnotherLife
"Look at the bold word. Remind you of anyone? ROFL"
~ I guess the use of the word "FOLKS" is a dead givaway for something ?.? Very "keen eye" indeed . Care to share Sherlock ?
My posting style is what it is , and the people familiar with it know me .
~*~ I am concerned with my investment .
I consider people with the agenda of causing harm to it an enemy . I also consider shareholders that fall into the ranks of bashing (for whatever flipping reason I can't understand) to be stupid and selfdestructive .
So , my "creepyness" (funny stuff mb) completely evolves from my desire to give my investment a chance . Anyone that challenges that is an enemy .
And people that try to make personal comments (painful being a republican delf) only offers me recreation . Though I question many things , I don't question myself .
Thanks all for the time .
It looks , for the moment that all of the unfounded attacks and damaging crappola aimed at this investment has taken a break .
Seeya
Delfino,
To put it succinctly , I own QBID stock and seemingly most of the people here don't .
So what is your question ?
As for being a Republican , nah but , I sure as hell am not a flaming liberal . I sometimes find myself in the midst of a liberally incorrect mob and I encourage them to enlighten me .
To my disappointment yelling and howlering (a combination of "howling" and "hollering") doesn't sway me .
I WILL say , I own this stock and have supported this project .
I guess that makes me a Burntlitarian .
And what do you find yourself doing this fine Friday ?
My guess , setting up your flea market for the weekend .
A wonderful cottage industry for some folks .
Have fun , and don't forget the sun screen .
sputnik ,
I thought other than frank was pretty funny too .
High five !!!!!
I'll add , because I can;
It's a hoot to watch this group squirm when heat is applied .
Kinda like putting salt on a snail .
I am still waiting for the other Frank to reply .
What the heck , I'm getting to schmooze with a celeb .
Maybe he's still typing .
I'd better go . eck eck eck
froy ,
Thank you so much . Maybe I can save you some headache .
Watchout for Ipana Toothpaste . It taste funny . And they charge 5 .
Also Ben & Jerry's ice cream starts melting the minute you put a spoon to it .
If you even try to put it in your mouth it will start dripping sticky stuff on your shirt .
If you try to share , sure enough spludge right there .
If you think you're going to keep it in the trunk of your car , forget it , it gets stuck to the mat .
And THAT can be some pretty serious cash to replace it .
I got burned for $200 BUCKS .
Need a new brand ?
Try Froy's Ignat Creamy .
Whatamaroon
other Frank ,
"I spoke to Lloyd Fan moments ago regarding the KATRINAtheKILLER post on the RB boards."
I forgot to ask , how did you broach this subject ?
I am serious as I can be . What did you lead in to this subject with ?
And did Mr. Fan elaborate ?
Come on , finish what you started .
Other than Frank ,
You didn't happen to talk with Mr. Fan about anything else did you ?
Like how you've been hanging around message boards posting your marginal sentiments .
Or that they collectively weren't making the right decissions .
Or ask him what he thought of ex-employees feeding the media ?
Or laugh together about all of the ex-employees giving him and Carol poor grades .
Or mention how tight management was regarding refreshments .
Did he happen to mention his thoughts on your return ?
When you called , was there a receptionist ?
BTW; Do you call him "Lloyd" or Mr. Fan or Lloyd Fan ?
Don't you have an interview or something to go to ?
What is it like to make comments with absolutely no facts ?
Just because posters/employees supply the media with disgruntled OPINION , and emails internally sent , people seem to think they can jump in as though they have a clue .
Sorry ,,,, Clueless .
Just because there is a major push here to cloud the way for TMM and its shareholders doesn't mean the things written or the people writing them have ANY merit in evaluating the current situation . As far as I can see , not one person knows a darned thing internally . Very talkative with no financial or comapny intentions .
So-be-it
And for the little chorus of ex-employees here , are you going to put this MB on your resume` ? Get a job and shut up . You've already said all you have to offer . The rest just makes you look stupid . Maybe if you were a shareholder it would make sense for you to be here . Otherwise offering more than your experience with QTN , and what treats you supplied co-workers is overkill . Look at the results of your contributions here . You have made people think they know what's going on with QTN . They don't DO THEY !
Any attack on me is regarded as pathetic .
Are you one of fisty's wetspots ? LOL
Only a couple posts left .
I'll save them for more advanced ameboid .
jonboi ,
I'm sorry , I missed this post to reply to . Too bad , it was a good one .
"... a quick and painless death is the only way.......but how long can you take the pleading screams from the passengers trapped on the ship as it ever so slowly sinks? It's truly heartbreaking." jonboi
~ Sorry . That is a ridiculous , dramatically absurd , and selfish desire .
"There is some questions about why no one appeared to say what was happening in the network before Jan of this year and why didn't anyone try to stop FO." jonboi
First of all , you didn't answer; "where were you guys in relating to shareholders such costs , mismanagement , and company neglect ALONG the way" ? MANY knew of the MB's and have been more than outspoken since FO was removed .
Secondly; I don't recall ONE post asking for mutiny .
This response is late , as it seems you are through bringing company info here . IMO That's cool .
Do you deny that some of these ex-employees were supplying harmful info here and to the media to inflict harm ?
Though it is nice to see what may have been transpiring , it came with a cost .
As I posted , that "cost" was/is to the clouding of waters for this company to go forward in their industry .
Anyway , good luck , and I hope you and Jack E can find a gig .
ltesprit
Did you ever see me post derogatorially to F-Hagan ? Or the other employees that haven't intentionally tried to harm this stock ?
No . Because they seem to be able to comment without taxing TMM's going forward ambitions .
Try to remember , these people worked for OUR company , and we DID have a common goal . QTN's success .
But , things changed when they got a dose of what we've been going-through for almost two years;
"...but it seems to me that investing is a gamble and you take that chance when you buy in. Employment is not suppose to be a gamble when it comes to receiving a paycheck......Had Frank Olsen called us in January 30th and said, "I'm sorry, Q failed. Here's your final checks, thanks," people would have been disappointed, but no one would be angry." CFlynn
~ INfkingdeed .
I have the utmost respect for the comradary described from ex-employees . I wish instead of this becoming their wailing wall , and their hoping for the worst , possibly/probably at our expense , they would bring their knowledge here for our edification without the smack and bad intentions .
You have jumped me contiually zez , and sooner or later I will take YOU to task . To this point you haven't written anything worth contemplating .
You have seniority here but , not in QBID , so stuff your pompus crap . Get in line with the rest of us.
skunkfish ,
I guess it is abit of a personal attack . You turn it up and I turn it up .
Maybe you should have the respect to; 1st , respond to attempted discourse , and 2nd , pick on someone elses investment in public .
You could have come hear and discussed almost anything that didn't affect CURRENT affairs and I would have left you to your vent , but you (and your friends) chose to take on the current BOD and the NEW (my words you chose to make light of) Q .
Well good riddence . I for one saw NO value from your chastising Mr Fan and compaints of payroll failure . I'm not even sure you know the man , let alone were you at the right place to incite such accusations .
And taking your ball and going home is just another sign of your sicerety .
eCogitoErgoSum ,
If I may wade into your IR sentiment .
"Apparently Richard was a good IR guy.But..."
He MAY have been a good guy (to the people that kissed his ass) but , his IR expertise and contributions STUNK to high heaven .
The guy "OPTTED" to do ANYTHING , which resulted in VERY little .
By hisown admission he claimed TMM?QBID?QTN as his ONLY representation . So what did he do all day ?
BTW; I'm not sure we ever found out which entity he represented exactly .
Just another funky piece InAnotherLife
Oh yeah , you guys like unsubstantiated info ?
Back in early '95 RB told me DIRECTLY that he NEVER received stock as compensation . He flatly stated he was compensated with cash ONLY .
I thought that odd and repeated my question , and he reaffirmed his answer . So all this crap about him losing HIS investment too is marred by BS he apparently forgot about having mentioned .
I am NOT a RB the IR hound advocate .
junkmasterg,
"...she can give you several examples of crooked CEO's that are arrogant and flamboyant..."
IMO Frank O is the farthest thing possible from a prototypical CEO .
THAT was a constant nagging situation that inevitably got set aside with the prospects of Q's success .
We all saw it , we all (even me) commented on it but , ultimately could do nothing about it . Looking back , I remember clearly , almost every investor had great anxiety about Frank with his garbled/gruff/goofy personna being able to pull this off .
"he's not a good guy... that should be plainly clear to everyone by now"
No doubt or arguement . AND I think he DOES have "gains" stashed away . Just not zillions as some would guess .
IRISHBULL,
For the sake of sorting through the chaff , I have mulled over many times the "Frank" scenario .
If I may , if this guy was adept at embezzlement and he's pocketed SERIOUS money , why would the pathetic dweeb asnswer his phone ? Let me say , if I swiped millions and millions of dollars , I'd change my cell number . lol
Hell , I'd change countries .
I talked to him last week , and he seemed the same dense bulb he did in all of those CC's and comentaries of the past .
I DO think he should be prosecuted for embezzlement . He DID IMO lie , and cheat people out of their investments . But , I think the ball started rolling down a steep hill and he couldn't catch it . I certainly don't think he is a good guy . Not by ANY stretch of the imagination .
In the/his end , IMO I don't think he has much salted away .
[Unless he is one of the best actors in Hollywood]
Here's what I think;
~ He IS a good guy to piece together a network .
~ He is NOT a good guy to manage money , assets , or corporate growth .
~ He is sitting in PS wondering WTF happened .
~ He is scared shtless of prosecution .
~ His defense would be a slamdunk "Insanity/stupidity" plea .
Again , if he had any serious dough he'd travvvel and avoid the noose waiting for him .
This probably won't win me any popularity votes here but , after seeing the "voters" ,,,,,,, eh
BTW; This is just my assessment . All others are welcome (by ME) as an equal opinion . I only hold repeaters of arguable opinion not willing to discuss , and sloppy DD to be opposed/challenged .
DGILL48,
If you follow MY thread ,I have no problem pouring salt on Frank O . I too believe he criminally created and caused for personal gain , the major dilution to our company .
I haven't objected to and in fact have rebuked skunks for defending FO.
It's hilarious that some here attack me for questioning the continual razzing to the detriment of our investment .
"What detriment" you ask ? How about the poison and venom from investors and "employees" thrown loosely around that the current management has to bare in itsown industry
To what end is it neccessary to intentionally regurgitate questionable DD ?
IMO there is massive "guilt" to go around to promoters and bashers alike .
In fact , if you follow my thread here , you should wonder why a true long would be provoked by other supposed longs for just wanting to see his investment have a chance .
It's curious to say the least .
GL
Watching people post endless bad sentiments about this company with Frank O long gone is like watching people stand around a hospital bed and endlessly poke at a close to terminal patient saying "a quick end is the only hope" and the like while relatives are standing in the room .
Nice folks .
"The only hope left here is for a very quick end."
What good will that do ? Please explain .
jack ,
Excuse me . Please .
I thought you were jack e jett .
THAT person has been posting here making remarks iducative of a scorned woman .
Sorry .
ON TOPIC
I have heard it said that Frank should be praised for his unending goodness , and the fault for QTN's demise lays at the gay community .
I say naaaaayyyyyyy .
LOL's
skunks ,
May I suggest a COMPLETE hysterectomy .
That will take care of ALL of your symptoms .
I have been ON TOPIC , the whole way dear .
jack ,
I have a question . What kind of posture are you going to take if you and the other employees get paid by the new BOD ?
So far , I'd say you've pretty much painted yourself into a corner .
Honestly I haven't seen your show to critque it but , I'd say it had better be pretty damned good for you to be racking them up against the New Q should they prevail .
Good Luck
marketbear ,
I'm sure skunks feels like I lay in wait for her but , the truth is I just respond to what looks way off base or people that post a contrary opinion to mine .
I start off challenging their opinion with mine . Sometimes the exchange finds its place and sometimes it's skunks I am writing to . lol
You and I share (#'s 1 & 2) a very similar opinions .
I am also trying to let this unfold without jumping on any bandwagons . I am surprised by the good (I thought) investors just dying for this to die . Either they sold off and just like the gangbang mentallity OR they're NUTS .
Can't figure pissing in yourown dish .
GL
Itesprit,
"350 billion shares, countless lies, studio shutdowns, massive debt, and yet there's a knucklehead on the board calling longs 'bashers'. Congrats! You're clueless!"
You (zez) can lay EVERYONE of your whining complaints to the person you pumped for 2 years . Admittedly I (for the most part) did too with the info coming from corp one could only be confident in Frank's success .
But , it's a new ballgame now , and I am trying to let this thing take its course without giving credit to disgruntled and bitter people saying any damned thing to vent and justify their failures and loss's .
The point IS , I AM clueless . And so are you and the rest here hanging your hats on some pretty thin DD . If Q had a successful history to date , not one damned person would consider the garbage churned/regurgitated daily as DD . It would be considered pathetic bash .
But , you go ahead and pile on if it makes you feel good . One thing I am stupendously happy about is , unlike the old days , these MB's don't have any serious impact on the stock .
Good Luck . If you have shares I hope they gain value .
Hey skunks ,
If you read my history here , I have tried to bring commentary that would support a positive sentiment towards TMM . Part of that positive sentiment is disbatching support of Frank Olsen , and the effort to misdirect what caused TMM/QBID's demise .
Enter my exchange with you . I point out your reduncy and you try to do a dance .
I TALKED to FO 3 days a go . How about you ?
I have visited TMM/QTN . How about you ?
I read the hand as it is dealt to me . How about you .
You are an annoying and a waste of time .
Just like when you so rudely butted onto other MB's when you were ousted from here . You thought you were cute and accepted . Guess what ? You aren't the gift you think you are .
Does this MB have an "ignore" feature ?
Help !
skunks , you say over and over and over that I am "late to the game" , and nothing anyone says can make you divert from your (obsolete) opinion .
That is fine . So why take the time to respond to my "gig" . lol
I have been in QBID and for TMM for 3 years .
I AM focusing on Lloyd Fan AND idiot and detrimental/distracting posts and media .
YOU need to find another "gig" . Your current one is lame at best . Like a ball player or boxer , the game has passed you by .
Why don't you comment on this Hagan poster ?
Or answer the mystery of Frank O diluting your shares ?
Or whether a BB is in the works ?
Or anything relevant to our investment besides "looking the other way" !
tom , Probably .
Taken a few steps futher I would guess that the bashers are part of Franks camp as well . Otherwise there was enough evidence of wrong/damaging slander to prosecute IFFFF it was wrong .
I think fisty was/is a Frank asset . JMHO
That way he can rest in the fact that he "tried" to warn us .
Anyway , skunks being the eminent Frank cheerleader and fisty being Simon Le`gree sure fit the bill to waltz QBID around shareholders .
skunks ,
From a business perspective ? You have RUN how many business's ? You have what first hand experience at promotion ?
Don't think that I am sitting and waiting for you to post . Quite honestly I prefer a bit more challenging debate .
But , you just can't seem to let your ignorance rest , and I know this part of building a business .
People can't buy your APPLES skunks , if they don't know you're growing them or selling them .
Pick another problem that QTN struggled with , like Frank Olsen diluting the crap out of your shares .
You mentioned in an earlier post that you need proof of Frank having done wrong .
What part of raising the A/S to 350bil shares while claiming to be buying back and retiring shares don't you preceive as wrong doing ?
Stop with the "looking the other way" BS . It is lame .
charley ,
Would you let positive DD off so easily ? The entire media AGAINST QTN is flimsy at best . Read yourown DD post;
"Q management had been telling the labor board for months that they were waiting for their 'mystery investor' to arrive, but finally the board got wind that there was no investor and they were about to retain employees without paying them for their work -- again. The labor board told them they couldn't do that to employees twice, and that's when Q had no choice but to shut down."
Who supplied this garbage . True or not it smacks of someone purely trashing Q . Not a darned bit more creditbility than a sissy offering payback .
I love this part; "The labor board told them they couldn't do that to employees twice,,,"
Good grief ! And to think this is the gay media doing this type of journalism to its own .
Enjoy yourself .
It is interesting to watch a group of people try their darndest to persuede another group of people of something that is held together by the flimsiest of DD . Posting the same thing over and over rewritten over and over by disgruntled people only dilutes its intent . I would bet that the "graphics tech" saying an "exec told him most of Q's asstes are already sold" is one of our very own beloved bashers trying to inflick 'payback' .
Pumper dumper gaga . You are the one bragging to have sold off during the run up making you a pumperdumper ,no ?. You are the one bragging that you are a major shareholder . You are the one bragging about retiring after selling all the while pumping to your friends here . You are the one complaining about focus when it is you that are drawing attention to herself . Why don't? you focus on Fan ? You say that you are and then continue posting to me while the shares you own sit at .00001 because of Frank Olsen diluting the living crap out of youuu . Focus stinky focus . You have nothing of interest for me other than you continuing your misunderstanding of corporate operations , stock movements , production direction , growing a company , ROI , accounting , facility utilization or general business comprehension .
By the way I am farrr from be a newbie you knucklettehead . LOL
Now focus on Fan lol and give us the latest program critiQue .
Rest assured skunks , I will be discussing you in posts to come although I don't care to match your bottomless pit of gaga gaga . With all of your self proclaimed knowledge , you have continuously been wrong in your QBID assessments for over 2 years . You claim to have cashed in on the run up and are now a major stock holder . Let me analyze this for you . You sold a portion at higher levels and bought back at higher levels . So ? Small question , Did you maintain your endless pump while you sold ? Of course you did . That makes you a pumper dumper girly .
Now please focus on your favorite place , yourself .
skunks talk about focusing on yourself , why are you responding to a post I made to another poster ? Practice what you butt in . I don't even want to rip you for your position here . As you say , nothing said will change your relentless opinion of yourself or QTN . And by the way if everyone follows your advice to not focus on you or respond to your synthetic and one dimensional approach , you would be totally talking to yourself . Then again I suppose that is the case regardless . Good luck .