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Well considering I am a shareholder of EXPH and I do converse with other shareholders..I don't need to vett anything to this board..I am quite happy with what I do know about the subject..I will continue my conversations with those that do know what the EXPO the company is doing and who are actually invested in the company..This board has no bearing on any outcome of my investment...veno
"Half the shareholders"??
I would say that is low as the majority of shares are held by insiders and friendlies and there are a many more friendlies that actually reside in the area where the work is happening at EXPO that have seen the company's work..who know the management and have not sold their shares..I'll hold with them...veno
Actually every time I have had a back and forth with them..they have been very "honest and forthright"..So speaking as a shareholder..I disagree with your opinion..They will file when they are ready to file and again they don't have to file anything..
They have already warned investors that 2010 was a bad year..just as countless other companies had in this economy..They have even given numbers to show just how bad it was..With the router breaking down..I am sure it was one of their worst..
The company did not fold up..They used shares and brought in another business..CIMA..to help out..Now it looks like the steps they took are helping..The insiders and friendlies did not snap up shares when they came to take a loss..I will hold with them..
Thanks for caring ..but..like I said..being a shareholder that also has sold no shares..I can wait for the company to post the financials and any other forms they choose and for the company to show profits...veno
Well..considering they don't have to file anything..It is great to get the PRs..It is also great to get the accounts of other actual investors and their visits..
Cima is increasing production..the company should be profitable for the year as of the end of June today and no dilution in over four months..
I'll continue to hold my shares with the majority of insiders and friendlies that have no intention of selling their shares now...veno
Thanks for the link,,
It was great to see the commercial for CIMA on the show..The cabinets are certainly first class in the home as well..The association with an upscale building company like Kearey Builders sure won't hurt the company one bit..Just another referrence to EXPO's legitamacy..I was very impressed by the homes that were on display..They certainly were not cheap by any standard..However..I can see where some might not see just how upscale the CIMA cabinets are that get put in homes like the ones Kearey Builders build..With companies like IKEA around and the pre-builts that can be had anywhere..consumers lower their standards in craftsmanship..As I said the CIMA cabinets shown are top of the line and the fact that orders are increasing along with production..shows that the owners of those fine homes know the difference between custom and store bought..
Thanks again for the link..I did have difficulty at first to get the link to play without stopping and starting, so I just let it run through almost to the end before watching the whole show..Since this was made for TV..I am sure that the market in the area got a much better presentation...veno
Really??
"Complete LACK of transparency begs to differ with you."
The company has informed shareholders as to what they are doing..They have been quite tranparent for a company that doesn't have to report anything..I can wait for the company to file when they choose to do so..
"Losses continue on EXPH. Insolvency deepens, bankruptcy looms."
Actually the company should be profitable this month which is a very good sign..
"The company has completed approximately $629,000 in sales during the first five months of 2011 compared to approximately $235,500 in sales for the same time period last year."
"The company continues to expect sales volatility for the balance of the year and also expects to be slightly profitable for the year as of the end of June."
Debt is being paid down and insolvency and BK is not in the picture at all..in fact..the company is moving forward in a big way..
Selling used equipment has nothing to do with the company doing bad..In fact the company purchased new equipment and paid off other equipment that they now own..
10/25/2010 10:16:43 AM
"Last week the company acquired a 8 bag dust collection system and accompanying dust piping, a Whirlwind up-cut chop saw, a Powermatic heavy table saw with attachments and safety products, a 65" oscillating side stroke sander, and heavy duty oscillating spindle sander. Funds raised through the sale of stock in the company were used to complete these purchases. These purchases will allow speed to market enhancements across all production categories."..
As I said..efforts failed to destroy the company..It has survived and is moving forward...veno
The majority of the AS is being held in the hands of insiders and friendlies..The company stopped raising the AS over four months ago and looks to be profitable this month..The traders are running out of shares to wash trade with..plain and simple..
As far as volume goes..4kids is right..No volume is good until management delivers transparency..
The company is increasing production and orders are being filled..The company is growing and the pps of the shares being held will appreciate in time..
LOWES continues to place very large orders with the company..CIMA is increasing production and sales..
Wachovia and Southern Community Bank have made loans to EXPO..which further proves Expo Holdings legitimacy and viability..
Southern Community Bank renegotiated their loan with EXPO in 2010 and background checks done by banks are many more times diligent than anything the retail investing public and traders can manage..
The company is rebounding from the worst economy in over 80 years..In other words the company survived and the efforts to put them out of business did not work..
I will hold my shares with the majority of insiders and friendlies of the company...veno
Do you have any links to suggest that the companies working with EXPO and the banks have not vetted them before doing business with them??
It would seem that the company Stanley did business with them and liked what they received..Are you suggesting that Stanley did no vetting of the company before they ordered from them??
John Butler, VP Sales, The Stanley works, commented:
2/2/2010 10:01:41 AM
"D&D did a great job, and we appreciate their dedication to our project, and to our company. D&D was very quick and responsive when additional needs came up. I look forward to working with them again in the future."
The banks disagree with this statement as well..
"NO they have not. NO banks have vetted EXPH.
EXPH has NO bank loans."
of course the banks and companies don't work with EXPH the stock they work with EXPO the company..
"James Brown, CEO, stated, "We have restructured nearly $400,000 worth of our short term loans with Wachovia Bank and Southern Community Bank into long term notes with the same entities. There are no convertible debentures. No shares have been or will be issued in regards to this debt. The rates are favorable and we appreciate the continued willingness of each bank to fund us, even after experiencing a tough year like last year. We anticipate continued good relations with each bank now and in the foreseeable future."
Large Banks like Wachovia and busineses like Stanley don't do business with other companies unless they have vetted them first..That is a fact..
I do agree that the banks and the businesses that work with EXPO do much more diligent DD than any retail investor can. I'll go with what they have done before loaning the company money and doing business with them
So..like I said..
"Banks and big businesses have vetted EXPO and like what they see.."
I'll hold my shares with the majority...veno
Just traders wash trading EXPH..
The majority of shares are held tight by insiders and friendlies..No new dilution in close to five months and the company looking to be profitable this month is good news..Late May and early June have come and gone and the company is moving forward..Inceased orders and production coupled with reduced debt is very good news indeed..
Banks and big businesses have vetted EXPO and like what they see..
I'll hold my shares with the majority...veno
An interesting posted opinion..
but that is all it is..
Companies like LOWES..Stanley and the banks that have vetted the company..really don't care about opinions as they do their own vetting..So far..the banks and the companies that do business with JD and Glenn have not hedged one time to continue working with them..
The investors that have talked with management face to face and visited the company also have a much different opinion of mangement and employees that work at EXPO..I'll stick with the banks..the companies and the eyewitness accounts as to the character of the management and their business..
Your posted opinion is in the minority as related to all the above..The majority of shares are being held tight by many and I will do the same...veno
Seems that EXPO is on the verge of profitability..
"The company continues to expect sales volatility for the balance of the year and also expects to be slightly profitable for the year as of the end of June."
They don't need to dump shares..The lack of volume is because they haven't increased the AS since February..Management has not sold any shares and the bulk of the AS held by insiders and friendlies are not being traded..
It is very simple..The company survived and as pointed out..the pps base is moving back up slowly.. as it should...veno
Other than your own post saying that you and a group of others were going to "cellar box the stock into oblivion"..the answer is..No..
"Can you provide even one piece of incontravertible evidence to prove a single incidence of "churning and cellar boxing" in EXPH shares?"
The churning quote came from my broker..
Like I said..it didn't shut down the company and the company is moving forward with increased orders and production..
There is also no evidence that the company ran out of money in late May early June as you predicted they would..In fact with the company stating that they are looking to be slightly profitable in June..it suggests that they have increased revenue and decreased costs so that they won't run out of money..can you provide incontravertible evidence otherwise??? veno
I don't have to..
"You still haven't proven me wrong."
Sburlria did it for me yesterday in his post..I am sure he can help you with the rest..
I have done my DD on the subject..
Again thanks..for all the pictures and the time it took to use the internet..
It is great to see all the "friendlies" backing the company in the area..
The company is legit..No new dilution going on five months now..The dreaded late May early June prediction that the company would run out of money didn't happen while orders and production are increasing at EXPO..
Looks like the company is moving forward and I am looking forward to June to be slightly profitable for the company..
The company has survived the onslaught of wash trading..churning and cellar boxing that was attempted to put it out of business..it didn't happen as planned...veno
That was a wrong call..
"I called that one yesterday iris"..
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=64439295
You might want to do a little more DD on that subject..the companies that were listed have already signed on..
"Our economy pet products are sold only though our dealers which are listed at economypetproducts.com"
"Long term, the company intends to build a larger dealer base in North Carolina and a significant dealer base in Virginia, South Carolina, and Georgia. Additional direct to retail products available via the company’s dealer base should be expected. Many of these new direct to retail" ...
I have done my DD and the companies listed are all in business..It has been interesting watching the web searches going on..although off base and not current..most interesting to watch..
I do appreciate your earlier enlightning that Crossroads was still in business..However I already knew that as well...veno
Sorry this was missed..Many posts saying that companies that were listed were now out of business..Just more fodder and speculation on outdated material..The EXPO is still in business and moving forward regardless of what is posted..In other words the attempts to put the company out of business didn't work and will not work..
The company is legit..
The company is working on increased orders from huge companies..
CIMA is moving forward in a big way..
The company has not diluted shares in almost five months and has no plans to do so..even though it was predicted that "late May early June" they would be out of money..
The updates are good news to actual investors..period...veno
I already did my DD on this subject and I certainly don't rely on pictures from Google..LOL..
I am an investor in the company..I also don't rely on posters from this message board to do all my DD for me..
Again thanks for the pictures..but Crossroads is still in business..I suggest if your want further proof and you care about your investment in EXPH to find your own answers...veno
Not at all..
"Did it bother you even a little when they took down the list of these *er* ***retailers*** of the sawdust dog houses???"
Maybe you should have read the update a little closer..
"This simple site showcases some of our economy pet products and is a site dedicated to serving our dealers. It is not intended to be informational for shareholders, nor is it intended for direct retail inquires."
I like the fact the company gave us a peek at all the retailers that currently will offer the pet program and that more retailers are coming..
Taking the leftover sawdust from the current increased orders for displays and cabinets and turning that into a product is a great idea for added revenue..much better than just hauling it off..
Oh and again..thanks to Reseller Mike for the pics even though Crossroads is still in business and some of his pics are incorrect it was a good effort and shows just how many retailers in the area will offer the program..
The company expects many more retailers to be added to the list which is also great news and not just for the pet program..which is also great news..
"Long term, the company intends to build a larger dealer base in North Carolina and a significant dealer base in Virginia, South Carolina, and Georgia. Additional direct to retail products available via the company’s dealer base should be expected. Many of these new direct to retail products will not be pet related."
Some seem to forget that many locals are "friendlies" to the company..It is great that these friendlies that know the company and its management are willing to do business with EXPO...veno
You posted you have plenty of shares of EXPH at this price..
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=64301677
"I for one have more than enough shares at this price!"..
I bought a considerable amount..much lower..
Looks like we will wait together to see just how many shares the insiders have.."Certs in their drawers"..as you say
The insiders and friendlies as you can see by the trading volume daily are holding their shares tight..which in my opinion is well over 2 billion shares..Retail investing longs probably account for 7 to 9 hundred million..which aren't being sold..There are still short positions to be covered as well in EXPH..
Financials are coming when cash in hand increases..That along with forms on who owns what.. including the new CEO..which IMO will have plenty..
It is great to see the company no longer diluting shares and working with revenues from increased production and orders..2010 saw many companies have to close down due to the horrific economy..Many companies not only missed revenue projections they either had to be bailed out or they went BK..It is great to see that EXPO survived and is now projecting a profit..
Since you post that you have more than enough shares at this level..I would say that you are in good company with all those insiders and friendies that feel holding is the right investment strategy for EXPH..
Again..thanks to Reseller Mike for taking the time to show us all the great pictures of of the retail locations that the new pet program will be available..More production of cabinets will result in more retail locations to locate the pet program products..
The best news still is..since late May and early June have come and gone..the company is now working on five months without diluting more shares..it would seem that this recent announcement on June 1st bodes well for all EXPH investors...veno
"The company has raised funds via its stock in early 2011 as well as during 2010. The company anticipates no additional stock issuances now or in the foreseeable future and has no plans or considerations for a reverse stock split."
Thanks for the pictures..It is great to see all of the places that the pet program will have a retail outlet to sell from..This was a great move not to waste the the leftovers of the increased cabinet production and sales happening at the company..It would seem that with the number of places being used for the pet program sales and the company saying that other states will be added..that even more increased orders and production of cabinets are coming..Great news and thanks for the pictures...veno
Like I said..it was your quote and not mine..as I quoted you from your post..You can look it up..Also your vetting of the credit line post was most helpful..thanks..
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=41290643
Santa Barbara Broker Share Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:03:06 PM
Re: A deleted message Post # of 97222
"I had spoken with the bank earlier about the "line of credit" issue and while they will not discuss any details on their situation with an individual client, the bank is legitimate and they do provide genuine "lines of credit" to many start up businesses like EXPH. Their vetting process is extensive and EXPH would not have been able to secure such a line of credit unless they were 1) completely legitimate and growing their business or 2) pulling a con job with someone on the inside. I will go with the former and much more rational scenario in this particular instance, lol."
SBB
The company is moving forward..This is good news for shareholders of the company..Late May and early JUNE have come and gone and no new dilution has shown as per your post saying it would..recent visitors have seen the increased production and quality of work of the CIMA and etc cabinets..Looks like a great Summer ahead and an even better 2011...veno
6/1/2011 5:00:10 PM
May 2011 sales up over 95%
"The company completed approximately $38,700 in sales during May 2011 compared to approximately $19,500 in May 2010."
"These sales figures do not include approximately $60,000 in deposits received in May 2011 (for projects in process) as deposits are booked as liabilities until the orders are completed and the billing process is completed. In addition to the approximate $60,000 in deposits received in May, approximately $82,000 more in deposits have been received prior to May (which still remain booked as liabilities) for a total of approximately $142,000 in deposits for work in process. The company currently has approximately $29,000 in cash on hand, and expects to pay down its long term debt by $50,000 no later than June 3, 2011."
"The company has completed approximately $629,000 in sales during the first five months of 2011 compared to approximately $235,500 in sales for the same time period last year."
"The company continues to expect sales volatility for the balance of the year and also expects to be slightly profitable for the year as of the end of June."
"The company currently employs approximately 31 with 5 part-time members as part of this total."
"The company has raised funds via its stock in early 2011 as well as during 2010. The company anticipates no additional stock issuances now or in the foreseeable future and has no plans or considerations for a reverse stock split. Further, the company has no plans or considerations to take the company private."
"As always, shareholders are invited to visit our facility and view products in production."
Actually that is your quote and not mine..
"I've done business with them...bought their products or they have bought mine."
As I said..this is the EXPH board and EXPO company and investors only care about what the company does..
Late May early June is over and no new dilution has come as the company said..
Now they are moving forward in a big way in the pet product area..Nice..
CIMA is increasing production and orders..
D&D just got a new order..
New Pet program moving forward..
Reduced Debt..
The company not diluting and working with increased revenues..
Vetted banks who have vetted EXPO..
Huge clients..like Stanley..LOWES and Home Depot..
I like what I am seeing..So bring on the new CEO...veno
This board is about EXPH and EXPO and not who you have done business with..
"I've done business with them...bought their products or they have bought mine."
We are investors in EXPH and the company EXPO does business with LOWES..Stanley..HD and others..That is all that matters to investors in this company..The fact that banks have vetted this company is also more of an indicator that the company is legit and those claiming otherwise do not have the resources the banks do..
Vetted company..Production moving forward and debt reduced..Those are all good things...veno
With..
"It seems"..and
"jmo"..
is just that..your opinion..but thanks...veno
Four months with no new dilution and these posts and these statements would disagree with your assessment concerning the banks backing EXPO..
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=39456808
"The Wachovia and Southern Community Bank loans for Expo Holdings not only validate Expo Holdings' legitimacy but those banks confirm Expo Holdings' viability , ie , the company makes money from business operations . Those loans are truly the best , NON-dilutive , NON-toxic benefits to ALL shareholders ....insider and retail combined ."
"Trust Wachovia's and Southern Community Bank's due diligence on Expo Holdings . Their due diligence is a thousand times more intense than all retail shareholders' DD combined ."
Renee
Concerning your own vetting on the subject..
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=41290643
Santa Barbara Broker Share Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:03:06 PM
Re: A deleted message Post # of 97222
"I had spoken with the bank earlier about the "line of credit" issue and while they will not discuss any details on their situation with an individual client, the bank is legitimate and they do provide genuine "lines of credit" to many start up businesses like EXPH. Their vetting process is extensive and EXPH would not have been able to secure such a line of credit unless they were 1) completely legitimate and growing their business or 2) pulling a con job with someone on the inside. I will go with the former and much more rational scenario in this particular instance, lol."
SBB
Now there are two posts saying the same things we are saying today..The banks that back the company have been vetted and according to the above posts they wouldn't do business with a company like EXPO unless they had vetted EXPO extensively in the first place..As it was written and I guess needs repeating..
"Trust Wachovia's and Southern Community Bank's due diligence on Expo Holdings . Their due diligence is a thousand times more intense than all retail shareholders' DD combined"
Now all this makes this statement..
"A complete prevarication to present this as a "serious vetting" process. It isn't."
a "complete prevarication" to present the vetting process of EXPO by the banks otherwise...veno
Really??
"Good companies sell shares in a transparent manner."
You just posted this..
"Good companies don't need to sell shares to survive."
It would seem now that good companies sell shares..
Well..EXPO sold shares..but as we know that stopped over four months ago..Posting all the times they raised the AS in the past is just that the past..
EXPH is not a company..EXPO is the company and it is a good company with huge clients and solid backing by vetted banks..As I said..Debt is being reduced and orders are increasing..I like what I am seeing and the future looks great..I would say I am not the only one with that opinion considering the majority of shares are being held tight by insiders and the loyal long investors..
Those that tried to destroy the company failed..plain and simple...veno
Well they haven't sold shares in over four months.. With new orders coming in..Cima increasing production..debt being paid down..the management not taking a salary and the company expecting this month to be slightly profitable..I would say that EXPO is a good company..even by your definition..
"Good companies don't need to sell shares to survive."
However..all companies sell shares or they wouldn't be trading..now would they??? veno
LOWES acquiring EXPH??
Who knows?? just speculation but so is BMXD acquiring EXPH..Again..much to do about nothing...veno
Why yes..that is exactly what happened..
"say after they watched another entity make $3K in 48 hours and figure it was dirt easy, stuck with a large number of EXPH shares rapidly declining in value."
Thanks for reminding all that many traders got in for a quick profit and got out..while others churned their accounts over and over..
However..not all traders make good trades and there were many I am sure that had to sell for a loss and move on..That is all that made up the volume..the management didn't sell and there is no link to prove otherwise..
The management still hold their shares and well over 2 billion shares are in the hands of insiders and loyal longs..
Which leads back to my other post..
No shares have been sold or restrictions removed..Anyone can call and get the answers they have to their questions..Now..well over a hundred posts on this subject alone this week..
Cima is increasing production and orders..
The company is now working with cash from generated sales..
No more dilution is needed..
No reverse split is coming..
The company is pursuing those that are libeling the company..
The new CEO will come on when all items have been met for a successful transition..Many have already been met..
Financials are coming along with who owns shares and how many..
Like some say it isn't rocket science and the company is still not diluting even after your posts saying they would...veno
No shares have been sold or restrictions removed..Anyone can call and get the answers they have to their questions..Now..well over a hundred posts on this subject alone this week..
Cima is increasing production and orders..
The company is now working with cash from generated sales..
No more dilution is needed..
No reverse split is coming..
The company is pursuing those that are libeling the company..
The new CEO will come on when all items have been met for a successful transition..Many have already been met..
Financials are coming along with who owns shares and how many...veno
I agree completely..The company is backed by legitimate banks and has huge clients that keep reordering from them..
That is vetting that no one here can counter with speculation..There is absolutely no one that can prove that EXPO is still operating at a loss per order produced..The fact that no further dilution has happened suggests that the company is now working at breakeven or better..
Thanks for your posts and insight...veno
I will adress this issue..
"Who was doing all the selling"
Considering the company sold shares and raised the AS the company sold shares as we all know..The better question is who did all the buying..It certainly isn't average retail buyers that are holding over 3 billion shares..There has been no significant volume or dumping of shares into the trading market and the traders that do trade buy one day and sell the next..
You are correct it isn't "rocket science"..
Like I said the insiders hold the majority of shares unless you can prove that average retail investors hold over 3 billion shares..
The next question to be asked is if the insiders are holding on to their shares..why should I sell?? They obviously have a reason for holding and if that reason is good for them it is also good for me..
JD has stated that he and Glenn have never sold a restricted share..to say so publicly and lie would be a crime..I have heard of others that were trying to start something with the SEC..It hasn't happened because the company is legit..I do know that the company is looking into the libel happening..
With that said..links would be nice behind the allegations made daily here that the company has done anything wrong..So far all I see is speculation..
Anyone can call and visit the company if they would like to leave a name and number so that the company can verify the entity wishing to seek answers and or visit..So far..there have been no takers that I have seen that are making the allegations...veno
I will shout from the mountaintops that you have absolutely no proof that the company is a scam..Not one solid piece of evidence..Just pure speculation that anyone at the company or any insiders have sold any shares..My..what to say after that is found out to be the case?? In the meantime..a legit company that has had problems is getting lambasted daily from ex and non shareholders as well as those known to trade daily..The majority of shares are held tight by the very insiders you say have sold..Prove otherwise with links and I will sell as well..If not then you have absolutely no case at all to say this is a scam and you know it...veno
Yes.."lets keep it real"..
The company already submitted the RFP and they were "awarded an RFP'..which means they now have a contract to proceed..You can visit the company as stated to see the production begin when stated..
6/14/2011 9:20:42 AM
"On 6-13-2011 the company was awarded an RFP to provide 1500 plus store fixtures and 80,000 plus peg-hooks to over 1500 home-center stores. The company anticipates this project to begin within 45-60 days. Shareholders are welcome to visit and see these fixtures in production. Call 336-667-8765 and make your appointment for a plant tour."
Be sure to tell us what you see during your visit and good luck in getting the shares you seek...veno
"If you are still believing in these Pr's, someone should throw you a life preserver"..
Could be a visit will tell you that the company is moving forward and the recently awarded contract was a good thing for the company..Cima is still in heavy production as well...veno
It is great to see the new contract awarded today..another 1500 stores and a very large order to go with it..With equipment being paid off and debt being paid down..it is great to see the company moving forward in a big way...veno
Do you have any links to disprove these statements are not true??
8/30/2010 9:43:41 AM
"The company recently paid off two large equipment related debts, one with BB&T and one with TCF Equipment finance."
"The company has recently completed it's loan agreements and now owns outright 3 of its forklifts, and all of its other material handling equipment, including conveyers. All of these actions and intended actions are to strengthen the company's balance sheet."
The talk of refinanced debt is pure speculation and nothing more..In fact the whole misdirection on the subject is for naught..
Again much to do about nothing..Recent visits show the company in heavy production and the company moving forward in a big way with CIMA..The past is just that..So is late May and soon to be early June..
No new dilution is great news...veno
Really..Refinanced??
You have links to that speculation??? veno
Thanks for showing all of the paid off equipment and debt..It is good to see this legit company moving in the right direction...veno
The simple fact remains..no dilution for months now despite your posts saying that more was coming and the fact that your "estimates" have no current documented base..negate your posts on the subject..
There has been no new dilution and the company is increasing production and sales..June is expected to be slightly profitable and debt is being paid down..
I am an investor in this company and the majority of shares of this company are held tight by insiders and longs..No "estimation" based on opinions can shake those shares loose...veno
I believe the debt was paid down $50K last Friday..
That is all that really matters to me..To each their own..I am very happy that it was paid down..I am also very happy that the company remains working with cash in hand instead of further dilution..The fact that sales are picking back up is also good news..
"The company has completed approximately $629,000 in sales during the first five months of 2011 compared to approximately $235,500 in sales for the same time period last year."
"The company continues to expect sales volatility for the balance of the year and also expects to be slightly profitable for the year as of the end of June."
"The company currently employs approximately 31 with 5 part-time members as part of this total."
"The company has raised funds via its stock in early 2011 as well as during 2010. The company anticipates no additional stock issuances now or in the foreseeable future and has no plans or considerations for a reverse stock split."
Good luck in getting shares cheaper..I was hoping for a dip again to add more..but it looks like all bid sitting does is keep the in and out traders at bay..That is OK by me..I have plenty of shares...veno