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Dig Space....from Q1 CC
They use Lenovo pc's but binned that software
for Wave's ETS at a cost of around $7.50.
I would guess where ETS is already deployed
such as Dell customers they would not have to meet any
additional costs to implement the same usage of TPMs if
like PWC they use their own internal PKI.
Keep it real
Doma.
P&F.....Keep It Real.
1.PWC is using their own internal PKI network
to manage TPMs,no need for ERAS.
2.The Audit Trail feature is for SED drives
not TPM's....PWC would have to upgrade all
pc's to SED's before they could use this
feature.
Doma.
wavxwizard.....according to the reports
30,000 have already been upgraded to ETS at $7.50
per seat with the other 120,000 expected over the
next year generating another $900,000 in revenue.
Upgrading to ERAS at a cost of $50 per seat is
at this time just wishful thinking as PWC uses
there own PKI Infrastructure at present.
keep it real
Doma.
Svenm.....150,000 seat upgrade.
150,000 seats x's $50 per ERAS seat is $7.5 million
150,000 seat x's $7.5 for ETS software is $1.125 million
Presently 30,000 seats have been installed with ETS with
revenues to Wave so far at $225,000....if over the course
of the next year all seats install ETS then that's
another $900,000 in sales over that year.
keeping it real
Doma.
Snackman....If they Upgrade V's At Present.
"The vast majority of computers on the market ship with TPM inside, and by adding TPM-based software from Wave Systems, it was fairly easy for PwC, which already had a public-key infrastructure (PKI) in place, to switch to hardware-based storage of private keys, the foundation for employee desktop authentication."
Presently PWC pay Wave $7.50 per seat,they do not need to
Upgrade yet because instead of using ERAS to manage their
TPM's they use their Own PKI Infrastructure.
While they May upgrade at some point in the future if
they bring in SED systems or use the TPM for more functions
that may require ERAS,it's not on the cards for this year.
What worries me concerning the use of TPM's like this,as
a cheap hardware authentication device,is that all large
scale companies can also use their existing PKI infrastructure
& don't have to upgrade to ERAS.
But any use of TPM's is a Great start......
Trying to keep things real....
Doma.
Waverider....not really...one can learn from it.
At the time the bashers were telling us that nothing
would happen Government wise Until the drives were
Fips 140 2 compliant....They were right & we were
mislead once again...but you are right what does that
matter!?
Doma.
Well 3 years back we were fed a crock of BS
that the Seagate drives wouldn't need certification
& that Fips 140 2 didn't apply to Hardware blah blah..
So Seagate took a couple of years to get certified
something they & SKS said didn't need to....Btw this is
old news....Dell have been supposedly selling Seagate
Fips 140 cert drive for months....but you already
knew that!
Doma.
Snackman....well i have been waiting for that
for 6 months...SKS was going to tell the whole world
about Wave's role in HAP at the start of the year...we have
less than 24hrs left & you,me & the rest of the world still
don't know!
Doma.
Tkc....i think it's a mistake.
Wave would need revenue's around $200 million not
$26 million...
From the latest 10K...
We were founded in May 2000 and first sold our initial ESM product in June 2002. We initially funded our operations primarily through convertible preferred stock financings that raised a total of $26.8 million. Our revenues have grown from $32.8 million in fiscal 2005 to $181.4 million in fiscal 2010, and were $48.1 million in our first quarter of fiscal 2011.
In February 2008, we completed our IPO in which we sold 6,000,000 shares of common stock, at an issue price of $9.00 per share. We raised a total of $54.0 million in gross proceeds from our IPO, or $45.9 million in net proceeds after deducting underwriting discounts of $3.8 million and offering expenses of $4.3 million.
We achieved positive cash flows from operations in fiscal 2004 through 2010. We generated $3.4 million and $9.0 million in cash from our operating activities during the three months ended July 31, 2010 and 2009, respectively, and we generally expect to continue to generate positive cash flows from operating activities on an annual basis. As of July 31, 2010, we had cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities of $150.7 million, net accounts receivable of $30.5 million, and an aggregate of $25.9 million in accounts payable and accrued liabilities.
$10 in 2010...........
That's a $1 Billion market cap for a company of
H1 revenue of $12.3 million....just who is twisting
reality P&F?
If you are a little more realistic you will tend to
be a little less disappointed when reality bites!
Doma.
dig space....It's a bit simpler than that.
HP already bundles Infineon's TPM & software...like
Acer they could change to an alternate TPM manufacturer
& Wave software.If Acer could change from Infineon TPM
& software so can HP if they wanted to...no extra costs
excuse please,Acer managed it.
Nothing to do with client demand as nobody is using the
TPM anyways....
Doma.
You don't want an accountable CEO
10 years of the same old same old...CEO & shareholders.
he couldn't even get a HP bundling deal
on their SED drives,what hope is there of
an HP TPM bundling deal before year end as well...that's
a potential $20 million revenue 2011 ?
Doma.
What's coming next year?
4:30pm – 5:15pm
Trusted Computing Technology, Advanced Concepts and Uses, in the Near Future
Steven Sprague
Wave Systems
The attendee will learn how to implement Trusted Computing capabilities, which have commercial value and are expected to be available in the next year, in their own enterprise for a more Trusted Computing environment.
Methinks......if you can't find
the TPM in the security settings in your bios
then imo you don't have a TPM installed.
Doma.
Tkc...............thought they sold for
9 times earnings while 3 PAR sold for a massive
10 times sales....so even if Wave gets in a similar
bidding war like 3 PAR,10 times sales at $30 million
is $3 a share.
Wave needs way more sales before we consider an offer.
Doma.
Methinks.............Acer Veriton m670g
is shipped with TPM & Embassy according to
Acer.
http://www.acer-ee.com/acer/product.do;jsessionid=56178C29801470E58AA90E14A5044700.public_a_14c?LanguageISOCtxParam=en&rcond5e.c2att92=75&inu49e.current.c2att92=75&link=ln314e&CountryISOCtxParam=EE&kcond47e.c2att92=75&rcond159e.att21k=1&kcond48e.c2att101=47106&rcond190e.att21k=1&acond23=EE&rcond4e.att21k=1&sp=page17e&rcond157e.c2att92=75&var9e=793&ctx1g.c2att92=75&rcond42e.att21k=1&kcond50e.c2att92=75&rcond45e.att21k=1&rcond158e.c2att1=6&ctx2.c2att1=6&inu53e.current.c2att92=75&rcond38e.c2att1=6&var13e=EE&rcond44e.c2att1=6&rcond186e.c2att92=75&rcond3e.c2att1=6&rcond28e.attN2B2F2EEF=3265&rcond189e.c2att1=6&ctx1.att21k=1&CRC=1355516509
Go to the Bios & look under security for TPM.
Doma.
New Wave...PE of 12 how about 6?
The Decline of the P/E Ratio
by Ben Levisohn
Monday, August 30, 2010
The P/E ratio, thrust into prominence during the 1930s by value investors Benjamin Graham and David Dodd, measures the amount of money investors are paying for a company's earnings. Typically, companies that post strong earnings growth enjoy richer stock prices and fatter P/E ratios than those that don't.
But while U.S. companies announced record profits during the second quarter, and beat forecasts by a comfortable 10% margin, on average, the stock market has dropped 5% this month.
The stock market's average price/earnings ratio, meanwhile, is in free fall, having plunged about 36% during the past year, the largest 12-month decline since 2003. It now stands at about 14.9, compared with 23.1 last September, based on trailing 12-month earnings results. Based on profit expectations over the next 12 months, the P/E ratio has fallen to 12.2 from about 14.5 in May.
So what explains the contraction? In short, economic uncertainty. A steady procession of bad news, from the European financial crisis to fears of deflation in the U.S., has prompted analysts to cut profit forecasts for 2011.
"The market is worrying not just about a slowdown, but worse," said Tobias Levkovich, chief U.S. equity strategist at Citigroup Global Markets in New York. "People want clarity before they make a decision with their money."
Three months ago, analysts expected the companies in the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index to boost profits 18% in 2011. Now, they predict 15%. Mutual-fund, hedge-fund and other money managers put the increase at closer to 9%, according to a recent Citigroup survey, while Mr. Levkovich's estimate is for 7% growth.
"The sustainability of earnings is in doubt," said Howard Silverblatt, an index analyst at S&P in New York. "Estimates are still optimistic."
Equally troublesome, analysts' forecasts are becoming scattered. In May, the range between the highest and lowest analyst forecasts of S&P 500 earnings per share in 2011 was $12. Morgan Stanley predicted $85 per share, while UBS predicted $97 per share. Now, the spread is $15. Barclays said $80 per share; Deutsche Bank predicts $95.
When profit forecasts are tightly clustered, it signals to investors that there is consensus among prognosticators; when they diverge wildly, it shows a lack of clarity. The P/E ratio tends to fall as uncertainty rises, and vice versa.
"A stock is worth its future earnings, but that involves uncertainty," said Jeremy Siegel, professor of finance at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. "The more uncertainty there is, the lower the P/E will be."
Not only is the P/E ratio dropping, it also is in danger of losing some of its prominence as a market gauge.
That is because, with profit and economic forecasts becoming less reliable, investors are focusing more on global economic events as they make trading decisions, parsing everything from Japanese government-debt statistics to shipping patterns in the Baltic region.
To some extent this is in keeping with historical patterns. P/E ratios often shrink in size and significance during periods of uncertainty as investors focus on broader economic themes.
P/E ratios fell sharply during the Depression of the 1930s and again after World War II, bottoming at 5.90 in 1949. They plunged again during the 1970s, touching 6.97 in 1974 and 6.68 in 1980. During those periods, global events sometimes took precedence over company-specific valuation considerations in the minds of investors.
There have been periods when the P/E ratio was much more in vogue. A century ago, the buying and selling of stocks was widely considered to be a form of gambling. P/E ratios came about as a way to quantify the true value of a company's shares. The creation of the Securities and Exchange Commission during the 1930s made financial information more available to investors, and P/E ratios gained widespread acceptance in the decades that followed.
But thanks to the recent shift toward rapid-fire stock trading, the P/E ratio may be losing its relevance. The emergence of exchange-traded funds in the past 10 years has allowed investors to make broad bets on entire baskets of stocks. And the ascendance of computer-driven trading is making macroeconomic data and trading patterns more important drivers of market action than fundamental analysis of individual companies, even during periods of relative calm.
So where is the P/E ratio headed in the short term? A few optimists think it could rise from here. If corporate borrowing costs remain at record lows and stock prices remain depressed, companies will start issuing debt to buy back shares, said David Bianco, chief U.S. equity strategist for Bank of America Merrill Lynch. As a result, earnings per share would increase, he said, even if profit growth remains sluggish, and P/E ratios could jump with them.
But today's economic uncertainty argues against that scenario. Consider that while P/E ratios dropped during the inflationary 1970s, they also fell during the deflationary 1930s. The one common thread tying those two eras of falling P/E ratios: unpredictable economic performance.
"We're looking at a more volatile U.S. economy than we experienced in the last 30 years," said Doug Cliggott, U.S. equity strategist at Credit Suisse in Boston. "The pressure on multiples may be with us for quite some time."
MaynardG....i mean everything.
As to why......Debt & unemployment.
Does the new $100 bill imply a return to
the Gold Standard after 40 years of Governments
printing themselves out of every recession &
diluting their citizens?
Doma.
gucci1.....we have been talking about buyouts
for over 10 years,we do it every year...LOL!
Imo we will see a financial crash very soon.
GLTA!
Doma.
24601.........Since the median is 2.07
3.29 is considered lofty!
"Intel is paying a higher-than-average premium for McAfee, Bloomberg analytics show. In the last five years there have been 171 acquisitions in the Internet security business, with an average premium of 22.3 percent, according to Bloomberg analytics. Intel also is paying 3.29 times McAfee’s revenue, compared with a five-year median of 2.07 times revenue."
2.07 revenue puts Wave at around 60 cents on 2010
revenue of $30 million & at around $1 on a Mcafee type
deal.....
point is a deal now will not bring in a $10 share price
....Wave needs massive revenue growth first!
Doma.
Why do you want a buyout here?
Even at $40 million sales 2010 & the overpaid 3.5
times revenue Intel paid for Mcafee that puts
us at a lower price than today...
Best wait a few years for real revenues to kick
in.
Doma.
Dig....so i read a Bloomberg piece on the Intel deal
that says they way overpaid the 5 year industry average
of 2.09 annualised sales for buyouts...
better not wish for a buyout until those sales go
way way up.........
Doma.
That is a Big loss for Goldman....
so far.....maybe they already sold out?
Doma.
Yep....apart from Wave that is
where the CEO is for life no matter what.....
Doma.
DD...last Atmel Licence agreement was 2005
There is also the Broadcom licence agreement...
all added up gives you your number....it's a fact.
Doma.
DD...Winbond & Atmel.eom
internet.....i have of course kept a fair
amount....in case of the unexpected...my sub $1
target is only in a general market crash scenario.
Doma.
Mig.....well i have sold
over 200,000 shares in the last 2 weeks...& that's
just one shareholder....
i think we will go below $1 again...in a crash
Doma.
wavxmaster.....perhaps there will be....
but the fact that HP started offering SED drives
this July & they are not bundling any Wave software
with them makes it unlikely we will see any bundling
deal this year imo....also getting only 7% of HP
SED deployment means we are not collecting on the
other 93%.....
Doma.
Wavxmaster.............imo we are
still a few years from major deployment & revenues.
The lack of any HP bundling deal this year was a
big negative for me as this could have secured up to
$20 million next year...
Nothing will stop Wave falling with the market if it
tanks....don't want to lose my profits!
Doma.
wavxmaster....another reason could be you
bought at 50 cents & you want to lock in your
profits before any stock market crash this
fall..........
Doma.
Wave in thestreet.com.....not great!
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/10827126/1/under-5-stocks-at-risk-of-defaulting.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA
Doma.
AnonInvestor...are you not Bluefang?eom.
Ramsey2.......i thought it was the perceived
wisdom on this board,myself included,that HP
would offer bundled software with their new SED
offerings.....and that software would be Wave's
TDM.
Well we all waited for June 10th....then end of
June & then July.Well the SED's finally arrived on Hp's
website but no software to be seen......
The board has been silent on this issue....what's
the perceived wisdom now?
Doma.
So What happened to HP SED Software??
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&ProductLineId=539&FamilyId=3241&BaseId=33161&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=
You can now order the HP SED Drive.....but as there's no
8k from Wave we have to assume the SED comes without bundled
software.
Doma.
Tkc....if you go back to the Q1 CC you will
see Wave gets about $8 per ETS copy...
Doma.
kitesurf....evaluating actions not words.
So why did PCW pay Wave for their TPM management
software on Lenovo TPM machines when PCW could have
used Lenovo's free TPM software.....
As i understand it they are managing all their TPM's
internally by using the same password for every machine
hence no need for ERAS....icbw....btw.
Doma.
AWK.............well spotted!
I see there are also a few sessions on
Hardware FDE,so no more concern there
either..
good news all round.....thanks
Doma.
Snackman....of course i will.....
credit where it's due...just like the Auto deal!
Doma.
Lets have a SKS feet to the fire vote!
If SKS fails to deliver any new major accounts
this month as promised lets ........
1.Put his pinkies in the fire
2.Put his feet in the fire
3.Hog roast all of him
Doma.