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gabeh, check out these bio drive devices. Notice how the company clearly spells out the FIPS 1402-2 requirement for government usage? Also take note of the difference in price for meeting that standard.
http://www.meganet.com/products/VMEBioDrive/VMEBioDrive.asp
That was a good read jsk, it does give us something to think about. Since the article used Starbucks as an example, I'll just say this. If people started going into a local Starbucks and they were out of coffee, over time people would find a substitute. Eventually, Dunken Doughnuts would venture across the Mississippi and start doing well in Seattle selling coffee for half the price.
Yes, in a commodity business brand awareness is important, but you still need the product to be available. Prices of these products are shrinking literally every day. Yes, they are selling extremely well, but in order to build a base of loyal customers who will potentially upgrade and think about your solution down the road, you need to give them one now after spending major dollars on ads.
I disagree, it's called a management foobar by not having a lean manufacturing system in place to meet anticipated demand.
These products are not an X Box where people will be waiting outside the store to purchase them. They're largely a commodity product. And you need supply to meet demand when demand hits to take advantage of the moving business forces.
Yeah, that's a pretty good name. Especially considering he looks like a criminal in jail and all.
I've been thinking a little about who makes the bio drive devices and stumbled upon this website from China. I wonder if we could buy 50 biodrives for 22 bucks a piece from here and then slap a name on them?
http://www.diytrade.com/directory/global/buy/products/2185332/China_Manufacturers-Bio_Flash_Disk_AE-....
Do these look a little too similar in appearance? Only 6 bucks a piece in batches of 50.
http://www.diytrade.com/directory/global/buy/products/2034823/China_Manufacturers-USB_Flash_Drive_16....
I think a bio drive pen would be a great product. It's a bit of a pain to carry my driver around on a lanyard, sitting in my pocket as a pen would be nice.
http://www.diytrade.com/directory/global/buy/products/2033895/China_Manufacturers-USB_Flash_Disk_Pen...
Well, if this turns into an Elmo phenomena I don't think we have much to worry about regarding the stock price.
That might be a good name for their mascot naming competition, CyberElmo.
I'll bet someone from this board could win the contest.
It does. I like the commercial, only problem is the only biometric fingerprint device they have available is out of stock until after the holidays. Why run expensive commericials for a product people can't buy?
http://cyberkeysolutions.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=59
Maybe people will come back after the holidays and buy one then, or maybe the idea will peak their interest and they will find another suppliear over the web?
I wonder if this is the commercial they will be running.
http://cyberkeysolutions.com/media/CKYS1.html
scorpio, I'm tired of having to read and then delete your personal attack posts over and over. I've requested Matt ban you from the board.
It's ridiculous how you don't seem to "get it".
Thanks brent, have you received an answer from Jim Plant in regard to the FIPS 140-2 certification. I've emailed the question in a couple of times and not received a response.
First of all, I'm trying to understand how posting 6 posts is considered posting non stop and because of it I need to "grow up"?
Second, you have no idea how well I did or did not do with another stock, so that's just a red herring.
Third, please try and understand, I'm not suggesting CKYS doesn't have a contract with the government or anything of the sort. What I would take issue with is the belief this small company is in some kind of no-brainer competitive advantage, and because if it will sweep this segment of the marketplace easily.
I provided a link to one small private company that has been around for many years and competes rather effectively in regard to CyberKey's bio drive device. They've even taken it to the next level and received an important certification in regard to security issues related to the device.
That's just one company. A couple of weeks ago I posted a link to a Toshiba product which measured up roughly the same, yet was significantly cheaper in price. I'm sure others have found competitor products being sold via the web too. Understanding your competition is an important aspect of DD. The defensive nature shown by a few toward information which is part of the DD mosaic is what should be bothering you. I'm just posting information to consider. It's just information, share it, digest it or throw it out, each one of us makes that choice on are own.
I think instead of putting me on ignore after asking two questions, you should read a little more about this standard and how it may impact the competitive position of CKYS and thus the stock price.
FIPS 140-2 is a government standard that validates security claims for products using cryptography through the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). By law, U.S. government purchasing agents MUST purchase the product that is certified for FIPS 140-2 (or FIPS 140-1), over one that is not. FIPS 140-2 is also required in Canada and recognized in Europe and Australia. The financial community uses FIPS 140-2 to measure the safety of products handling monetary transactions, and the standard is also being adopted by ISO and ANSI. Corsec participates in ANSI X9.F committees, and works with the financial community on the development and implementation of cryptographic standards like ANSI X9.66.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIPS_140-2
Perhaps CKYS should hire these consultants to get them through the process?
http://www.corsec.com/fips_center.php
That's an interesting response Todd. I thought we were talking about the unique security attributes of CKYS bio drivers and I responded to that by asking what I thought to be a pertinent question.
You responded to that question by not answering it and going in a different direction. If security is your most important characteristic (as you said previously), why wouldn't an international certification related to that characteristic also be important?
Or more directly, how do you *know* their encryption algorithms are so great besides reading their pr's and website?
If that's true, then why has the Kangaru Micro Drive AES been granted FIPS 140-2 Certification for their biodrive, yet CyberKey has not?
http://www.kanguru.com/biodrive.html
http://www.kanguru.com/press/AES_FIPS_Completion_pr.pdf
What I hear you saying is one of the key characteristics consumers look for when purchasing a bio driver is the speed with which they work?
That's an interesting angle and may very well be true. What I perceive (and I'm open to see data which is contrary), is consumers look for price and data storage capability as the two main value characteristics. Speed is more of a geek comparison where the differences in a practical sense are so small as to be almost unnoticeable.
But as I say, I could be wrong about this impression.
The unique product CyberKey appears to bring to the table is the bundling protection software they install in order to prevent copywright infringement when using bio drives.
Here is a concern I still have. If you go to http://www.froogle.com and type in "Bio Drive", CyberKey products don't come up. What comes up everywhere is this company and they are not out of stock of biodrives. http://www.kanguru.com/products.html
If you go to Yahoo Shopping the same thing happens.
http://shopping.yahoo.com/;_ylt=AqaFTEU6.QMJbkmdHVXzIgobFt0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiaWprZDdrBHNlYwN1bml2aGRy
If you look in the news section of their website, they also have been granted FIPS 140-2 certification from the U.S. and Canadian governments. Something CYKS has not been granted that I'm aware of.
The company kanguru also has a bio hard drive they sell. Something CYKS does not. And they have been around for a number of years. I lay this out to demonstrate this is but one small company, obviously providing significant competition in this area of the market. It's not the only area of the market CyberKey is focused on, but it appears to be a pretty significant one at this stage in their development.
It's important to be aware of the competitive position CyberKey is at, in order to gain a better understanding of their future potential stock value.
Agreed, looks to me like today was the beginning of a nice three day move upward in the stock. Where it ends is anybodies guess, but up we go...
We could extend the three day movement upward if the ads are well done and potentially effective.
I'm not flipping on this run. This move could take us above a nickel.
Very cool, but they need to get more door locks and fingerprint sticks and fast if they are truly going to be able to take advantage of this marketing blitz!
That was my point over the weekend, find more OEM suppliers!
The name brand is great, the mascot eye catching and cool.
Need product...
Interesting development is the safe was out of stock a few days ago and now is back in stock and able to be ordered. Perhaps they will find similar solutions in regard to other products.
So let me get this straight. You are not confident in believing SLJB will underperform WHKA in the coming week, but have spent nearly 12 hours posting negative thoughts toward Sulja stockholders while holding what you believe to be a dog here?
Am I understanding you correctly??
By the way, I began buying millions of shares of SLJB when it was at .003. So, being green is not an issue.
Ok, here's another interesting twist. SLJB and WHKA are basically at parity in price right now. Which one will be higher at the close next Tuesday?
My call is SLJB.
I've got 5.23 as a price, do you concur?
My pick....
TTEN
Current price .17
Didn't answer the question.
Yeah, always the brilliant trader in hindsight and well after the fact. Tell you what, let's have a competition starting today for the next week. I'll give you a pick and you give me a pick and we'll measure results close of trading next Tuesday.
Might be fun!
Keep pumping for that flip robo, maybe another 3 people will buy a share today and move the stock up. Who knows with pinkie's.
I just think it's funny that you go around IHUB on a mission to save every investor when you can't even save your own stock. LOL
In at .04. Nice timing! LOL
NOT
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=15482365
robtotrader, you need to head over to your favorite pump and dump company and save the stock. Down another 30% today.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=7630
I'll try not to hold my breath in anticipation of your next post related to trading advice. LOL
I keep thinking about anyone who would invest now! LOL
Who ever heard of these teams anyway?
New West
Lumby
Bellingham
Squamish
Armstrong
Osoyoos
Funny how they tout Bobby Howe on their website. Didn't he play something like 25 years ago? LOL
Even if you lived in the artic tundra and wanted to see a game, how do you buy tickets? Through an email link? Too funny...
The NHL rules, it's as simple as that and this pump and dump won't change the business outcome.
Good luck with your investment here robotrader. LOL
Flipper, after 13 hours of non stop posting I think you need to take a break.
Off topic posts will be deleted.
Gee Flipper, it's tough to tell if you're being emotional with all those exclamation points. LOL
Cast your votes!
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board_surveymenu.asp?board_id=4436
Board, enough debate, time for a survey!
Should company pr's be managed by the moderator to remove ones believed to be bogus?
Cast your votes!
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board_surveymenu.asp?board_id=4436
The lies are not my lies. They are company lies (or mistatements). If the company has been lying it's materially important to a new investor doing DD. Removing those lies and pretending all the pr's are posted in the IBOX when some have been censored by a moderator, serves to hide the information from a potential investors.
It's as simple as that.
sand, whether we communicate weeks from now on this board or not, I want to take the opportunity to tell you it's been a real pleasure reading your posts these many months.
I have a new theory working which might explain what's been going on with this stock. My theory begins with the assumption Petar, Steve and those running this company are not scam artists who have created an empty shell. I could be wrong in that regard; but every theory needs an entering assumption.
Anyway, here goes...
- Loftwerks/Ammerman owed Sulja a lot of money from past purchases and there was no reasonable way he could repay it without going bankrupt.
- Having Loftwerks go bankrupt while owing Sulja Brothers millions of dollars would have crippled the company and possibly put them under.
- The slow down in building was starting to be felt in Detroit and the surrounding area, further impacting Sulja Brothers business model.
- Loftwerks also had a naked short problem and the value of their stock was in the dirt at less than .002 cents a share.
- Petar saw an opportunity to repay the loan, save Sulja Brothers and build a stronger business down the road.
- The buyout was formed. The new entity created.
- Petar realized in order to survive and prosper during this downturn in the local area, new business opportunities needed to be formed elsewhere for the company. He used some local people connections to Middle Eastern contruction companies as that bridge.
- Realizing he needed cash to make this growth happen, he pumped the stock price with loose contracts to connections in the Middle East. He also inflated the financial numbers.
- When the price rose above a dime, he began to liquidate millions of shares in order to buy land for a new development in Colchester, purchase Sams and fund overseas trips to line up new contracts. Reaching wherever he thought could grow the business.
- In his and Steve's mind, this appeared to be a legitimate way to grow the business. After all, if stockholders are in for the long term, they should expect the value of the stock to be used to grow the business.
- Pressure from penny investors and the pain they've incurred do to audited financial promises being missed has soured them on this plan of action, and made them realize what fools they were.
- Pressure from the Windsor Star and calls filing SEC complaints have now put them in the difficult position of generating large sales contracts as quickly as possible.
Anyway, it's just a half-baked theory....
Flipper, it appears you're far too emotionally invested in this line of discussion to continue. The fact is you've neglected to address the underlying issue. That being; who should be the judge of validity in regard to company pr's? And should the moderators censor them whether positive or negative in the IBOX?
One could make a sound argument one of the reasons to not invest in the company is seeing how many past pr's have not come to fruition and thus believe that pattern of behavior will continue. To erase that knowledge, may lead a new investor to believe the latest corporate line without the proper context.
Those are pretty weak reasons Flipper, so basically I hear you saying we should examine the press releases and decide as moderators which ones are valid and which ones are bogus? Information put out by the company is just that, information. If pr's are to be censored, where does the censorship stop one way or the other?
In regard to the Windsor Star, they have made themselves part of the story of this stock by writing 4 articles about the former CEO. It's debatable, but certainly reasonable to leave the link up.
Sure, lots of people have lost money on this stock. No doubt about it, and it's a darn shame with the potential it had if the audit had been released. Less are still in the green from the subpenny days of earlier this year. What the future holds is anybodies guess. It looks to me like you're on some kind of a crusade against the company with an agenda lurking in your heart. Not a good frame of mind to be in when volunteering to become an assistant moderator. Of course, it's Matt's call, but at this point I would be against it now.
Thanks, that sounds reasonable. And just so you know, I try and always keep it real and be nice. Sometimes I tease and give a little poke in the ribs, but no real nastiness is intended.
In regard to the IBOX, seems to me pr's directly from the company are relevant. Yes, it looks like many of the older ones are bogus, but that's up to the decision of the reader and not something the moderators should censor one way or the other. We could of course remove them all, but if we did not much would be left in the IBOX.
I think fdjr cleaned up the IBOX last week and removed many of the Middle East links since they appeared dubious at best.
What information beyond the pr's are you referring to?
So Flipper, what motivated you today to post for over 11 straight hours? Just curious, since I can not imagine ever being in the frame of mind of posting on a board I have no financial stake in for anything close to that amount of time.
You know rruff, I don't think it really hit me what you've been saying for the past few months until I saw someone post for 40 straight hours. Maybe I'm a bit dense and always want to see people in a positive light, but there is no logical reason why anyone would post for 40 straight hours unless they were seriously motivated by financial gain to do so.
Even during my highest enthusiasm for this stock, I wouldn't dream of posting that much or even looking at a computer for that long.
So yes, people do short penny stocks and it's materially relevant toward the discussion of SLJB. I'm also going to be checking a lot more often the posting habits of some of the routinely negative (as well as positive), posters here to get a feel for this side of the equation.
Posting for 40 straight hours in order to help us see the light! As John Stossel says "give me a break"! LOL
Here's one you missed. We have learned that robotrader has now been posting negative thoughts regarding the stock SLJB for 10 straight hours on IHUB. LOL