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"..tell me where did you see any mention of a Forward Split ?"
"Actually a forward split was mentioned by another member multiple times on this board." (74901)
Thank you "Suspect".... Seems some only read what they want to read in this forum.....
"If there was a reverse split to the A/S..."
Splits - F/S or R/S do not include the A/S.... The A/S is a different company decision... A forward split may demand a raising of the A/S but a reverse will not!!!
Time will tell as to how this "split" is applied to the shareholders....
:)
"..shall see if Both O/S & A/S will be split, maybe we will get a surprise.."///// "...DTC ? .. LOL TYTN is only T4T, after the R/S all shares will be accounted for obviously, making all AIR SHARES that brokers / clearing firms / MM's that are pretending to have will be gone, and this will satisfy DTCC..."
"I am banking on the A/S being 43 million after the split if it is a 150 to 1 split. I am holding firm to that."
Both O/S & A/S splits?.... Taking the A/S down to 43 million leaves no wiggle room for the company (with the kind of debt it holds)... Considering the O/S is an unknown right now it doesnt make sense nor does it make the company any more attractive..
Being on the negative side Id consider it a "neutral positive" if it cut the A/S in half considering it went from 1.5 b to 6.5 b.
As for the DTC, It's believed that the actions with the 504's already have TYTN in its sights nevermind the raising of the a/s-o/s and a now announced reverse split within 7 mos. of each other.. The company seems to be unable to produce a concurrent based report from the time I have been watching... Seems to show what info it's deems sufficient at th time. This is not what the DTC wants... FULL REPORTING!!!! Be transparent!!!!!
They dont care if the company is playing with numbers per say, but playing with investors...
A/S being 43 million after the split.....Holding firm...
Id say ok if the company was showing slow profits, no debt, an economy on the rise. None of that is happening. Taking the A/S to 43 million with the likelyhood of the PPS falling after the RS would be a self inflicted wound. But then, I believe I read on here that the F/S would be enacted after the R/S...
ALL BS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless the company is building to be purchased as the Preferreds get their money first and private investors 2nd (after the lawyers), this play is but that... A play..
AUDIT TYTN!!!!! ASAP!!!!! They did promise audited financials not that long ago, no?
(as most pinkies promise at one time or another included with "uplisting" comments)
Same market / Same story / Just a different ticker.......
:)
"...what the share price will be after the split since we don't know the current number of outstanding shares".
The share price will be 150 times the PPS at time of split...
150 x .0001= .015
150 x .0002= .030
ETC........
The out means nothing except it will be cut to 150th of the current amount....
Most likely the A/S will not fall below 1 billion if it does fall. No safety factor in 43 million shares.
Further DTC actions may be on the horizon????
The 504's and reverse split are signals for the DTC.
The company should attempt to become "fully reporting" asap if it plans on manipulating the share amount in the future..
.015 - .030 PPS would be a great price to start a "short" position after the reverse split.... Shame private investors cant short the pinkies...
Keep the Koolaid mugs chilled and full....
HAHAHAHAHA
:)
"The consensus among the Company and its advisors is that this strategy will force an accounting of all legally held shares"
Big Frakn Deal.......... It's a pinksheet stock, there will never be a full accounting of its shares on a daily, weekly and or monthly basis...EVER... Just as there is never an accurate chart... OTC.......
If I had a dime everytime a CEO was quoted that they were splitting or creating a new issue to "defeat the shorts" Id have retired long ago....
All the "Oh My We Are Being Shorted" BS, is just that......
If the freee market could "Short" the pinks, then that might be a different story.... And I'd have "SURELY" retired many years ago...... (Pivate investors can not "short" the pinkies...)
Junk, non reporting companies are the bloodline for the pinksheets. It's the reason there are MOMO runs created for those that "play" as well creating higher prices for "company" dilution.... There is no MOMO with out a backing....
ML...... Well, he better pull off 3 quarters of a well maintained profit or the dilution of the business may be in order....
(He still gets paid..) ahahhahaha
U.S. / China relations....Keep ya eyes on dat... "really"!!!!!!
(Anyone ever get the hint the "CEO" might know some bad relations might be coming and was smart enough to use the investors to build a "stockpile" business to float the "major" shareholders to retirement/grave" ?)
Nice (pinksheet)(TYTN) Soap Opera though........ Like the sands thru an hourglass....So are the Days of your (TYTN) shares life....
Same market just a different ticker!!!!
:)
AHAHAHAHAHAH
..."but if the company has products, financing, upcoming deals, original implements, Patents, dealers including one in another country, possible merger or JV and has connections with a HUGE company in china YTO/Sinomach thats related with the chinese Government."
How much of the above has been business as usual "prior" the company going "public" ?
"related with the chinese Government."
Most business' in China are "related" with the government.... No big deal there... (Anything exported will be "related to the Chinese Govt.") (ever think that could be a decider in ones purchase of the companys products with the current international mess going on? "It's made where? I'll go to Deere, thanks.")
Havent seen too much "this isnt a real business" chatter but "this is a badly managed business" talk...
Enough with the Koolaid line.......
"What are the odds of Finra denying the R/S? Would they really approve that so soon after the A/S increase?"
FINRA does not tell a company what to do with their shares... They make sure all the rules are followed and filed correctly....
"Voting shareholders are only the ones holding preferred stock, correct?"
Reverse that phrase: preferred shareholders are the only ones that can vote, correct?....
Yes, and it "looks like" the CEO demands that right alone...
The company is public VIA the shares it sells, nothing more!
The investing public has no determination in it's future nor outcome. (unless they start buying at and above the initial RS share price, then only to most likely be disappointed)
This is the trouble with "dictorial" type public companies...
With all the problems concerning the (tytn) "line of credit" it was just posted in the 3rd Q report that the company finally "found" its original contract with Cowlitz" bank... How many years later?????
A one man private business now trying to become a Fortune 500 in the matter of months off the investors backs...?????
"Not once in the last 2 years have I received a message from Mark Leonard saying that I was required to buy stock in his company."
It was the pretty colors on the website that purchased the shares?
Maybe the photoshopping?
(The initial photo "chopped" pics was what "un sold" me over a year ago.... I almost bought in with all the tube vids and whoopty doo till the pic of 2 tractors in a mud puddle infront of what looked to be a log structure pic from a brochure...The tractors didnt even have shadows below them.
My post back then... Post #2801
IE: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:58:15 PM Re: Sandman601 post#2800
"Funny how them there tiny tractors got out in that there mud puddle with out getting their tires all slopped up.... The shadows leave something to be desired also...
Nice building though.... :)"
That pic told me ... noooooo....
PPS was .002+ at that time.... The web war was in full force...
What I find funny is how the company got "hurt" off the "web" then showed nothing to be proud of since it was resolved/judged upon....(the "real market" showed it's face maybe)
Well, it won it's pride...(tytn pride) if pride means it now has 6.5 ba ba billion shares authorized and an oilfilter line...?? Good for pride..
If pride means It had a good "pump" May 2011 as the CEO was in the middle of returning shares for private placements...?? Good for pride..
If pride means it reacts with a rise in A/S to squash the pump?? good for pride...
But alas, 2012, it now has a Reverse split to be judged upon VS any real sustained sales numbers one can judge an investment upon...
Funny stuff!!!
In defense of the CEO/Company....Look at Priceline... RS 2003 and now what PPS....???
:)
***WARNING***REVERSE SPLIT FILED***WARNING*** another CEO Worship - FAIL
WOW.... Right at the TOP of the PAGE hahahaha
The warnings were there but who would have expected this early..
If holding value is the issue, one would expect the revenue to be "flowing in on a regular basis" prior to any split.....
See what happens with the Authorized....? Stay the same or split them too???
Could be some DTC issues along the way also pending how the split is completed... (New Issue of shares not recommended)
:)
"ML can do what he wants, whenever he wants. Hence the massive A/S raise and dilution w/o anyone's approval other than a Leonard"
Sounds like "Chicago_nomics" to me.... A bit of "Hope and Change" going on here?????
Ive brought the Preferred numbers/holders up numerous times... Good to see some are getting to realize it's importance...(having an investment in what they considered a "public company"... Board of directors...Dedication????....hahaha)
The Last Hail Mary....... Off the investors backs......
Does it get caught and run past the goal ???????
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
Seems the TYTN *board is in tooo deep to even comment till the numbers get posted....*(B.O.D.)
AUDIT by 8/15/2012.... or ?
:)
WOW No.#2 for today.........
The investors in the Yugo read the same math back in their day....
The amount of revenue needed to become a profit to the investors short a cheaper investment in "social promotions/P/D " is a non bet.
P/E ratio of 15????????????
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
The company has not made enough rev to base a realistic P/E to date...
since the raise in A/S - O/S who knows when - if it may happen...
30 million in rev will show a tenth of a penny...
All BS aside...
The company by all means should have 'at the least' become CFBE (Cash Flow Break Even) by now if the company was working all means accessible.... IMO the company never expected the need to "go public" as the current CEO still runs all facets with no news of hiring any new talent.... While the tractor market needs hands on, the internet is a great marketing tool yet no proof of any multilistings nor market related investments. So...TYTN will be based from Washington, they will hold product in hopes of dealer volume increase's and take a chance on needing the further dilution of investors shares just to maintain operations.....(IMO)
Good luck wit dat P/E ratio and the amount of "tractor" sales needed... This company is worth the liquidation value minus the preferred share take.... in the end... nuttin for current share holders after legals.......
Heres to hoping it never comes to that...
:)
Ut Oh.... Is Lovey Liquidating????
HAHAHAHA.... Looks like no Vegas love fest anytime soon....
:(
HAHAHAHA
UGH.............
"...YOU PERSONALLY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IN RESPECT TO YOUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES TO YOUR LOYAL SHAREHOLDER BASE."
It's the PinkSheets...... No CEO responsibility what so ever...
Well, not outside what an invester may imagine/allow/hope for- thru an investors self induced "CEO worship".......
Looks Good....Smells Good......CEO has history.......... Gotta be a winner........
Then kapow... the dilution skyrockets, the sales slip, the inventory goes up..... All in the name of "building" a new company...
Not many take the economy in as serious a tone as it should be these days... This is not a new "tween" tech product being sold...
It's a tractor and the big money says bet against it..... If from 2004 to 2009 the company could not stand on it's own excluding the revolving line of credit, what makes one think it can stand on billions of diluted shares? Even if inventory is up, the amount per share earning has been cut into slivers....
The best course of action for the company is to start using shares and hire some "promoters" attempting to "mimick" the action that occured back in May of 2011........ SHHHHHHHHHHHH.....(I do not condone such market manipulation nor truely recommend it)
The May 2011 action manifested on "trip to China" news, if the "oil filter" news couldnt muster even close to the same action, means it's all BS pinksheet P/D..
The amount of revenue the company would have to recognize in order to create a sustainable increased PPS (with the current O/S) is extremely unlikely......
Links on a dealers website just wont cut it for a hands on business....
If anything, 2013-14 if sustainable till, might be the "Year of Tytn" to become steady CFBE/P pending on the new admin in Washington...
Sales talk, all else walks.........
G.L.
:)
"Let me sum it up for you,"
Kinda on the same page, no?
I referred to the past tytn history as well leading to future shares while the current open market TYTN Shares out/PPS "shows" reality ....
Who Knew?......
The outstanding back in the 3rd q of 2010 was 825,911,508.
By the 4th Q/Annual report.. the out was 1,425,911,508...
By 3rd Q the A/S went to 6.5 billion with over 3.2b out...
All in the name of becoming "International"..? Or increased
"small farm tractor market sales"? Hmmm, maybe Load up on product/asset, just in case of future liquidation??
Still looking for an explanation of the P/D in May of 2011.......... Buy Buy Buy because the CEO is taking a trip to China....... If dat aint a fishy dish out of a "bait bucket" I dont know what was..............
Yeah, the company seems to have freaked a bunch of new investors but imagine those that might have made money??? .0004 to .004-5
Out of a trip to China???? I'd buy right now if I had an hint the fkr was looking into a trip to Mars....................
:)
EDIT.below: "Don't rip me off and I will not give my opinion Mark,"
Did the CEO of TYTN rip you off or the ideas that may have been read?
From a historical account one cn see that the CEO waits till almost the last minute to "throw out the life preserver" as recorded thru the banking issues as well share amounts...
That conservative mindset does not always come out victorious in the end... (Better off in a private situation) By time the end comes the "safety margin" for current and future share amounts may become "staggering" in what all may have seen here....
6.5 billion shares a/s where (MSF"X") is working on buying back from over 8 billion.... (and they make mucho money)...... hint hint...
1) Start making money before one stretches money....
2) Product confirmation...... (aka some sort of "continued" cash break even/profit status)
3) Stepping down (kinda) to let younger minds take control of the "product sales- advertising- existance-" doesnt mean you arent the boss, just that you know and care enough to let new ideas come forward giving way towards the investors that blindly invest in you... (there are high school kids that can advertise/promote/gain name recongnition on-thru-from the internet better than this company has since it went public) IMO
Good luck TYTN investors, but as your CEO is worried about becoming an "international playa" there are numerous small farmers across America that are willing to buy a "quality" piece of equip. from a down home seller for the right price... If not, there is always the internet to buy "used" from those that can really "sell"............................... Right now looks like TYTN sells to the "sheep"..... Sheep dont come close to making investors green.....!!!!!!!!
:)
"If you are referring to and understand the history of the Cowlitz Bank failure, then you should not be deeming it Mark's bad debt, IMO. And if he did what you imply, so what? One less liability."
Say 4-5 yrs of not making a profitable company that can stand on it's own ----- Yet when the bottom drops out the company ask's for what some would say "blind investment"...."Pinksheet"
"Public"...? COMN!!!!
Were there better ways to stay private? Was "pinksheet/public" easier?
Ideas of grandure?
UGH..........................
HAHAHHA
"TYTAN TRACTORS are an excellent product"
So, how many solid leads do investors have on how "excellent" a TYTN tractor/s is/are vs the competitors???
2004............ it seems the "private" company could not become CFBE from 2004 to 2009 when dealing with banking issues seemed to steer the company towards becoming a "public" traded entity.
Right now it seems as the "talk" is how much product the company has sitting on its grounds... This increase in product is not due to increasing sales but to increased shares sold/diluted by the company... There is no absolute confirmation this product will be sold at any given time...The assurance talk is that it is an "ASSET"..... An asset that the shareholders will not gain from should the worst be seen!!!
Ive read post saying TYTN will come into the "billions" for sales.... Ive also read once/twice about "hope n change"....
What one is dealing with is a dictatorship type company taking too long to make the upgrades to 1) deal with the anti China sentiment, 2) Promote this product across the JD green line and finally really work towards the "smaller farm enthusiast"....
All the youtube vids mean nothing to someone 500 miles away... Sell me (in Jersey) a TYTN tractor vs the JD dealer 20 minutes from my location....???? There are still people who use tractors that should be in a museum, working small fields by me!!!! The users know these tractors inside and out!!! Sell your Chinese import tractor to them...:) (I wont even buy boots from the store-internet that are coming from China/unknown origin)....
If anything, this pinksheet equity "might" have 1 or 2 more P/D's in it should revenues not rise to match the dilutive practices engauged in by the "Board" /Owner/ ML/TYTN.....
Keep an open eye.....................
2012.......... Soon Farmers will be on the "hitlist"..... Buy Monsanto or perish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:(
"China essentially does not have a presence in U.S. agriculture, including tractors.
Deere has a $30 billion market cap. YTO is salivating. Mark is their entry point into this market, in my opinion."
So, from this PRC notice the "company" may eventually back any said Company "approved" dealers - financing commitments...
That gets YTO how far in American Agriculture? (as per prior comment)10% gain Thru the CEO of a company that had more than enough time to become "self sufficient" as a private business with a revolving line of credit as it became eventually lacking the amount of sales to become CFBE on a steady basis.....
Dont care how one paints that pigs lips, It'll always smell of pig! Back in the Rhino days the company had a market prior the internet and could introduce a cheap Chinese import product easier as the majority was "China" neutral.... Today.... Different story.
I find it interesting that so many investors are concerning their investment with the company of origin (import Co.) vs the actual financial reports/amount of shares outstanding distributed by the subject company....
I cant demean the "owner"/ CEO of this company but I also can not condone the amount of shares allowed to become a part of a business that has a hands on American base from the facts I have seen....: Sales slow/revolving credit legalities/know nothing private placements/MOMO based spike in May/Bagholders pushing any info as important info....
Hail Mary Play .....Either way..... Sales increase or the O/S does...
Simple as DAT!
Sell into the next MOMO run if there is one....(IMO...of course)
:)
"...began buying more because of the 504 placement."
Restricted or exempted?
So, per the 1st Q report
368 m shares returned/ sold for a total of 140k..
2nd Q report
remaining (CEO) shares to 700 million returned/ sold for a total of 321,700k (previous 4 mos) with 203,950k raised last 3 mos.
By the 3rd Q same 700 million shares returned/cancelled with 555,650k raised over past 6 mos 271,832k raised past 3 mos.
Now, time frames should be defined - past 4 mos/6mos/3mos..
From end of Q? or report dates?
May 2011 the PPS spiked to a height not seen for over a year from that time.
Beginning of 2011 504's are sold, by May the PPS spikes to new 52 week highs on "trip to China" news.....? (504's poss. exempted from registration/restriction?) AKA... Pump'ed n Dump'ed?
By middle of June 2011 the A/S is raised over 400% with the O/S over 100%...
Looks questionable at the least. I'm not saying the company had anything to do with the open market PPS at any given time period. What I am saying is the May 2011 spike looks contrived...
Sum it up, by end of 2010 the company was on the verge of havng no available shares for investment capital, operations, etc.... Beginning of 2011 the CEO steps up/ returns stake in shares/ company sells same privately, stock PPS spikes sharply 1-4 months later, company dilutes shares right after, company PPS on a continous downfall from the last 52 week high.
(how many "old" share holders are stuck thru "previous companies",
holding/hoping TYTN can make a profitable go of it?)
"It's all good and why people invest in companies with extreme progress and achievements like TYTN with it's amazing amounts of patents and patents pending while now offering in house financing."
Extreme progress? hahaha Thickening the steel on the side of a mower attachment is not "extreme progress" no matter what one is cutting... Xbox type controlls while farming from the couch...Now thats extreme progress...... HAHAHAHAHA.....
"The DTC is the one under investigation."
"As for DTC, they and DTCC, etc. along with the MM's are all crooks, IMO. Scary, when one considers what they control, especially DTC."
I concure....
"DTC is a member of the U.S. Federal Reserve System, a limited-purpose trust company under New York State banking law and a registered clearing agency with the Securities and Exchange Commission."
Sure........ hahahaha
"TYTN's inventory is an asset on the balance sheet. We just need to see it turned into sales revenues, and that will happen sooner or later."
No doubt, even in cases of liquidation/fire sales and or bankruptcy - "assets" are sold "sooner or later"...right off the investors backs.... Preferreds get paid, lawyers get paid............ Dats about it...! (dont forget the auctioneer)
:)
Key words: (China/Iran/Russia/YTO/Afganistan/EURO/investor sentiment/WW3/TYTN/Extreme progress/Sheep/DTCC/DTC/Fed.Res/
IHUB/MOMO/Manipulation/TimeToWakeUp/NewLaws2012/GoBackToSleep.
POOF!
HAHAHAHAHA
"..why TYTN IS UNDER INVESTIGATION WITH THE DTC...."
1, It's said they frown upon 504 private placements...
2, If one looks at the timeframe and amounts from the 504's, they look suspicious/manipulative...
Either way, the CEO returned/cancelled/whatever... 700 million shares from Q1 to Q2 as the reports show. THe company by the end of the 3rd Q report raised 555,650 K from private placements during that time frame, giving an average of .00079/0008 per share.
The company then returned the 700 million shares back to the CEO after the raising of authorized shares by 400% (per info from Q reports on OTCMARKETS)
Untill the investment community is provided a full AUDIT of the companys financial activities, the play is a pure MOMO run and that run may become stagnant considering the company has more than enough shares right now to fund operations. The beginning of the year the company was in need of funds so the CEO stepped up as by May the stock took off with no real matrix explaining the rise in PPS. It would be interesting to see the accounting before and after May 2011... If I remember correctly, the "big news" in the MOMO run was the "CEO is going to China"...........??????
After that, the "big news" was "China trip better than expected".... That went where? Oil Filters....where? JV... Where? Yellowstone- TYTN on the front page with a pic?
WHM....Aussie classified page...?
Now "Increased Inventory" is the big deal??? Might be something if it came from the CEOs' "donation/investment" but the 700 million shares were returned as the A/S rose 400+% with the O/S more than doubling.............
YTO (Chinese Manufacturer/Importer for TYTN) has a better standing "alone" across the globe than it does in the states thru TYTN.
YTO/TYTN: Okay mista Wenard... wee maka sure yoo get twactas and impwaments, we use you impwoovments (patents) evwywhere else ... dat good-it vewy good!
In the end, the Country is waking up to the fact that the country of origin for TYTN tractors is our Banker and communists. The sentiment for these imported products are found to be increasingly critisized.. (different world from back in the Rhino days)
Implements and after market might be the only life line the company may have to rely upon just as it seems it has previously relied upon thru the information provided in the financials.
When sales show over a 50% gross profit vs cost of sales, than one is talking about mass produced/shipped/cheap products.
If 50% gross profit is available for "tractors" than I'd buy a General Tso's hat and join the party here in Jersey.... Too bad I have no faith in the future economy nor can I promote XXXXXXXXX..... (John Deere - tytns competition - talks Jersey anyway...)
"The DTC (Depository Trust Corporation) is exactly that, a corportation. They are not a government agency and therefore not sure they....."
xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Stop worrying about the Govt. entities and start worrying about the company (TYTNs') actions... Be it stupidity or manipulation.... The actions of the company are the end all - be all..... Should there be enough money to promote another BS MOMO run....... Sell into its height, do not buy more hoping for that .01 penny...... (IMO of course..)
:)
"......Based on nothing I know about."
Obamma....Dat you Obamma???????
CUJO?
"...the loan would have been paid off by the old inventory and clearly was not........"
Considering the final judgement was decided upon in May of 2011, Just as in June of this year the investors learned of the 400+ % rise in Authorized shares as well the Outstanding shares went well over 100%.............
I fail to see the "Good Side" of this previous discussion????
Hail the CEO all one may want but, the investor has a better chance of coming out with less than their initial investment from TYTNS' business plan than the CEO does...
I find the whole subject a bit manipulative....
:)
"The pieces are falling into place my friend.....it will be big."
So lets see..... "it will be big"....
Co. Started late 2003/early 2004. Relied upon a revolving line of credit thru Cowlitz Bank as the initial years seemed in good standing.. The company from the start has what some could say "no cost" - leasing it's property (as being held by the "CEO") Also has a 2 year period in which to pay it's property taxes... (tiny concern) Cool...... (By this time anyone that is reading (DD'n) back thru the financials is getting the idea something might be wrong)
Now, What wasnt expected was the "Lack" of chinese import tractor sales and the failure of the institution renting monies to the company... Well, that is up untill the company decided to counter act by going "public" just as the final nail was being pushed into the revolving line of credit .... (the timeline has been submitted by the company)
I ask anyone this, Is the timeline from 2004 to 2009 enough time to have secured a business worthy of going to the public for financial security/investment/Life Preserver? If it is, why then in 2011 did the company have to increase the A/S by over %400 as well the O/S by over %100.? Why did the "CEO" have to "give back" 700 million shares of company stock only to be issued in "private placements" that very well may have triggered the T4T status?
Prior the announcement of the A/S being "Upped"..... A financial catastrophy ? No cash? Lets say, no "future" cash to "count upon"
I'm still wondering why this guy couldnt have made his money as proven with the previous company so many mention....? Sup wit dat?
Bigger dreams? More Competition these days?
Either way,
The "Owner" of the company has the upper hand and always will. pssssst: No, it aint you.. Mr./Mrs. pinksheet investor-messageboard long.....
The info is in everyones face........ Just look.....
(not at the pretty pics on the 5th grade worthy website, but the legal filings submitted to "OTCMARKETS"...)
It will take a complete resurection of the Import Chinese markets giving TYTN a major increase in quarterly and annual revenues, or another MOMO run like that in May 2011 before the company can re-pay the "public"........ But in the end, it doesnt have to repay the public...
SO, unless the relationship between YTO and TYTN is strong enough to endure the wait for increased U.S. sales thru Tytn, as YTO is it's own manufacturer retailer/Govt. entity... Who knows how long the company may be in business under the "owners" business plan or messageboard Worship ?
Pssst: Get the kids payed, finalize the retirement fund and "POOF".... IM-O-H...(Im Outta Here)
I mean, we have Zanax'd up "kids" making millions on stupid computer programs while the EPA could get stricter on emissions any time they want ... Take da money and run....
Thats to da "owner" ......
All "IMO" of course. Real "DD" says "buy at .0001" (just in case)
:)
This was the investors early Xmas present:
Tytan Holdings, Inc. Filed for a Change in the Authorized Shares June 16, 2011
Date : 06/17/2011 @ 8:30AM
Source : MarketWire
Stock : Tytan Holdings Inc. (TYTN)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
June 17th 2011:
TYTN close .0028
Vol. 38,596,448
over 6 mos. later:
PPS cannot escape the trip zip 2-3's (.0002-3)
Minimal volume....
High dilution.....
T4T....
losing 3rd Q....
ETC....................
:)
Who knew???????????????
Discount trading systems to gold mines to metal bldgs......??????
Yet, no one is behind metal bars...............
Merry Xmas kids....
"At tz1 there will probably be a reverse split...."
What would that do in benefit of the subject company?
99.99% of the RS's pinkyland style end up back to the RS price...
One would have hoped by now that the company would have had a "plan B" after the June 2011 raise of more than 4.3 times the A/S with over a 100% increase in O/S... The timeline in itself doesnt add up really... begining of the year the CEO releases 700 million shares knowing full well the bank issues might not go "in favor" just as the " messageboard war with Tractorco" is being decided, then in june the decision to up the A/S is announced while the "internet messageboard war" monies are accounted for as "future" income (accts receivable)...... Even that accounting doesnt add up to the previous banking /revolving credit default the company/CEO is liable for...
Now, If the company was not on the verge of bankruptcy beginning 2011 why would the 700 m shares have been needed from the CEO? How long of a time frame was there between the 700m shares returned for 504 placements and the judgement on the Bogden case? (moot because common sense says the next course of action was for the loser to claim bnkrpt) But, with the new developements in the pink market were the 504 placements worth the results? Why wait so long to raise the A/S when toilet paper thin?... Investors can handle a raise/dilution when needed and in portion but what happened here was, as being witnessed now, a tad bit much.... Take that the company has been in business since late 2003 and hesitated hedging it's revolving line of credit issues till it did..... What can an investor hold on to should 2012 not improve economically? Tytn isnt the only company that is feeling the pain..... Unless you are a tween driven product or some shoot'em up video game, your kinda screwed till the consumers feel safe enough to start replacing what they can fix....Right now it looks as even the smaller start up farmers are playing it safe...
1988 to 1995 Chinese products might have been on the back of Americans minds but today as connected as everyone is, any bit of bad news OEM wise could effect a small company trying to promote "import" products that are meant to be "long term investments"........ (no matter how cheap)
Time will tell, till then investors need to believe that no further dilution will be required to maintain operations..
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"..having no trust in Mark what so ever is not doing any of us good. Give the man a chance to succeed. Are multi million dollar companies built over night? No...it takes hard work...dedication....and patience. And that's what we need to provide Mark with...some dedication and patience."
How many chances does one obtain thru going public? A public company by all rights should have had the business to, at the least, a break even cash flow basis nevermind any branches of said company in place. (dealerships/JV's etc...)Prior to aproaching for public investors for capital to "build upon"... (Not keep alive)
It looks like this CEO was a bit late on creating capital worthy enough of being "praised" by "reality based" shareholders... The company was aware that the banking issues could result in a negative outcome yet waited till a final judgement was given to announce the raise in the authorized shares as well dilute the investors immediately after... The company, (CEO/Consultant/Land Owner) didnt "go public" till the banking issue was pretty much a no win situation, as it looked like it was running out of capital....
Why (in the beginning of 2011) did the CEO have to give back 700 million shares only to be sliced up into numerous 504 placements? Was it because the company thought it had a chance of beating the courts? Was it because it spent too much time fighting some dopey "internet battle" with a local competitor? Or, did it just think that "sales" would soon skyrocket with the BS idea that the economy was recovering and all would fall into place?
More and more negative news is coming out concerning the country that manufactures TYTN's products over trade and political interests, giving way for some to take an increased cautious stance on any non federal/multi national import and export relations /interior investments. Will the recent developments effect this "tiny" figment of import products as well it's investors...? (cant do that much worse than it's own financial filings..sure it can) It seems the foreign policy of America is on the verge of a drastic change/self destruction as more and more Americans are again looking for that "Built in America" tag or sticker contributing to the foundation... Will TYTN end up inside or outside of that future...?
Hmmmmm, looks like it will depend upon future dilution or reversal there of....
:)
Thats the thing.......
How much is the CEO paying himself?????
6K a month for employement,6K a month for "independant consulting"
and then, he owns the land... another 4K a month...
I do believe I read somewhere that the lease payments have been "waved" per say ... (kinda like da taxes?)
(read somewhere the deal is "2" years to pay "satisfy" prop taxes where they are at? Why not wait?)
HAHAHA
Cant argue with the numbers.... If only the investment community could get accurate numbers...
:)
WOW.......
One of the signs of a dying pink is a growing "lack of interest"...
People "move on" quickly in the junk markets....(well some do)
Less volume, less chatter, less chance of getting back to base investment prices for many.. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm (seems this happens again and again with highly dilutive companies)
Looks like most of the avenues have been driven on the dusty path of TYTN and the only thing that will help the PPS is revenues above operational costs for more than a Q or 2.... or 3 - 4 .... Imagine that... With the amount of dilution, we arent talking about a Q with 30K in the green either... Over 3.2 ba ba billion shares out means someone better open up a set of country wide TYTN "Drive thru's"..... Order on the go farmer Mao...
AHAHAHAHHA
Pray for another "Mid May/2011" trader/momo push soon...
(oh yeah, that was prior the "doubling" of outstanding shares and a more than 4 times the previous authorized)
Manipulated pink sheets.... AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Manipulation starts from "WITH-IN".......
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"he gave back his shares then sold them from the company to a private placement"
Now disclosing those shares have been replaced....(In his name) "the company then reissued Seven hundred million (700,000,000.) shares of common stock to Mr. Mark Leonard"
What does that say???? At the time of needing cash the company was most likely out of expendable shares leaving the inside holders of common shares to "swap out/retire/return to treasury" for an undisclosed period of time, the easily utilized "common" shares. (504 sound familiar?)...(Possibly resulting in the T4T status?)
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"buildmasters looks to me like a very small shining star"
Tiny stars and wishing upon does not a profitable company make...
"They must have some background knowledge or faith in this small company"
In this day and economy, do you not think that the business requirements that might be considered by a company such as Allied might have been reduced? Then, You and I could prob throw 30-50K a-piece together and start a small concrete business, connect with some "Portugese" that have "metal shed-bldg experience" fill out the same forms and possibly become an Allied partner. (All from the comfort of our homes)....
Too many desktop business players(managers) out there to believe in this one right off the bat!!!!! Look up the "Buildmasters" website owner and go from there...
Need MORE INFORMATION/PROOF of a viable construction company to invest in!!!! (till then, I'll place my own concrete / set my own steel)
Good luck..
:)
"do a Tebow Special Edition tractor for the Colorado region"
Sure.... that will sell tractors......?????
Maybe since the increased dilution off the investors backs the company could throw a bit more cash at some "real" advertising?
Thats what is keeping this economy alive these days,
"Advertising".
Gotta go out there and sell to those up and coming "farmers".... The kids that want to talk, text and plow a field all at the same time....... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Cmon, since 2004 when the CEO wrote that he was talked back into the game to 2009 when the bank issues started, nothing to prove the masses wanted to invest in the company... 2009 to present day... Nothing proving the masses should invest in the company... All that is left is the late MOMO buyers and some die-hards...
The company has had enough product on hand to support operations but has yet to sustain a steady CFBE / increasing profitable anual report.
"MAKE THEM HAPPY= GIVE THEM SHARES OF TYTAN STOCK"
Coal is more valuable... Doesnt cost as much to "obtain"
"No, buy them a tractor, at least the rustproofing will last longer than the stocks pps"
Crystal ball? Whoa.... Is that a good or bad statement? Hmmmm
"THIS PPS TYTAN IS A STEAL!"
Better wish for a giant MOMO pinksheet message board run from Santa, else all the "shares" stuffed in stockings will most likely be "stuffed" (back) somewhere else by Aug of 2012...
See, the profit expectation vs shares outstanding does not match... It will take a push off the internet to make the PPS rise and that will not last long enough for "stuffed" shares to be sold.... Santa just called and laughed...... HAHAHAHOHOHO..
Chinese tractors....
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"When I thought the Market Cap was cheap"
Market cap?.......
You're seeing what that did right now back from "when it was cheap".
The fact of low MC gives way to why there were no new banks lining up to resolve the "Cowlitz" problem. Which now shows you that market cap means nothing except for availability of fundage... VS ....Dilution.. The lack there of, explains the current disgusting amount of dilution thrown upon the investors... Cheap was 0007 (right before the mid May momo)
say 1.5 Billion shares at .0007= 1 mil 50K MC right? So, now over 3.2 Billion at .0001 = ....? What, not cheap anymore??? No RARA????
Cmon....
No need to esplain Lucy... All in a day in the PinkSheets!
Ya's really need to call in that crew back from May.......
They might not be any good now considering.....? (They took profits and moved on)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
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"I mean, can you trade them at your brokerage?"
Havent asked if selling would cost me more than its worth... Havent even looked into buying so, pretty much as I mentioned several times... INIX in my mind has been gone... insignificant
.....useless....ETC.... for quite a long time now. If you guys and those metel bldgs can breed new life in this zombie stock, then I will look into dumping...
Till then Im as negative on this "new" construction avenue the clown running the show has us in as I was on the "Realtime" fiasco.... I mean, what growing construction company sells out for preferred shares of a lying dessimated company???? The company got caught forging paperwork to the NFA..... The company is about out of shares to pizz away except for the unknown amount of preferreds left... Seems they flew like the wind after all this BS as there was no sight of the 60K in that "safety deposit box"....
I'll need much more info on the "new" company to base any positive reactions towards and I believe I will not receive anything of value. The "I know someone that knows someone that called Allied and they said: ?" Is of no value to me...
(Disclosure: been in the commercial construction side of life for over 22 yrs. IMO, Right now unless you have FedGovt, State and or county associated contracts, you're sitting on the sidelines for the unknown future picking at the bones.. Infastructure is the pay today....) (Id rather take stock in Allied than their approved contractors)
Good luck...
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"glass has been half full for years"
Not sure why some investors do not understand that? This is not a "new" company... It has been around for quite awhile. Just privately and previously under a "revolving line of credit" ensuring continued operations. Since right after the final judgement of TYTN being in default, the operations are strictly funded off the investors backs... The inventory is all investors property, well, unless you consider the "preferred" share exchange rate as they would be paid first in case of liquidation... 400 common to 1 preferred - conversion...
In a liquidation scenereo, those 1m preferreds would eat everything up, as written, preferreds are payed first. (30 bux a share.....)
And they say the CEO doesnt know what he's doing with a "stock" based company????? AHAHAHAHAHA
Either way, the economy will dictate the future and as cheap as these products are, the higher priced products adjust accordingly, as well does the users.....
Worship no one but yourself!!!!!! If one must, a/any CEO is the last on the list of worshipable value.... (worshipable?) hmmmmm
:)
This is the best TYTN investors get for 6.5 ba ba billion shares where half are outstanding:
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TYTN PRIDE!!!!!!!!!!
"In other news, the bankruptcy judge in the Mitch Bogden defamation lawsuit (in which Tytan won a $250,000 judgment), has lifted the "automatic stay." This moves the collection process one big step closer to a satisfactory result."
4/11/2011 - Judgement Affirmed
5/11/2011 - TYTN in Default
6/16/2011 Tytan Holdings Inc. Filed for a Change in the Authorized Shares
Hmmmmmmmm....
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"I know Bernanke is looking up some Federal regulation and quoting all of us right now as I speak but"....
You'd hope I cared enough anymore.... BS is BS .........
Good Luck My Dopey Friend...
Get a good volume trip zip-2, better take what can be taken.!
:)
EDIT"After the beating this stock took"
The stock didnt take a beating, the MOMO did.... Cant say that it wasnt seen, considering not long after the MOMO started the company raised the A/S to 6.5 Ba Ba Billion shares as well the outstanding doubled...(too little too late????) That isnt a beating, thats a MOMO killer. The stock was headed this low if the past push in mid May wasnt conducted... Right now the dilutive practices used to support and further build "pieces" of what may become dusty "floor models" could be a 50/50 spit in the wind shot... What will the economy do in 6 mos?
The time frame, pretty much explaining why the company went public as well the "lack" of business supporting revenue has been shown. Right now it's PUT UP OR SHUT UP TYTN.....
Most TYTN has is 2 Q's to start paying back on the dilution,
"AUDITED", till the faithfull start to leave...
But then, a new chunk of MOMO may be around the corner.....
"slap dat ask"............. AHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
Gotta love that one..
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"It is the cost of doing business and this is a new start-up"
HAHAHHAHA...... Almost 2012...... The loss of the revolving line of credit has thrown this "start up" to tearing cash from street investors and just how long after the admitted 2004 "start" will this thing have to continue diluting till it is considered an on going long term business? 8 years is still a "start up"? (considering the CEO's previous experience...) or should one think that the start of "diluting investors heavily" is the "beginning" ? (beginning of the "cash cow")
CMON....
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"Allied Steel Buildings is a $40+ million dollar"
Allied is a known name in steel bldgs.... Un fortunately, INIX didnt buy them for $41K in preferred shares (at current PPS).
INIX bought "Buildmasters".
Lets see, their website went up:
Nov. 27th 2011
Basetech consulting LLC.
Berea Kentucky
(Lowell Sellards)
Hey, it's a start but I'm more concerned with 6.8 million preffereds out at a ratio of 60 to every 1 that the street investors hold. That value for "Buildmasters" adds up to a hair over the "profit" for 2010 as recorded in the previous press release.
Seems like preferreds are the new "cash" acct for INIX... (9.2 m to 29.2M now outstanding) Guess they didnt find that safety deposit box after all...
I smell a keyboard business...?
Really need more info on the Buildmasters "hands on" business...
Maybe some past projects as they had to submit to "ALLIED" for consideration to become a builder/dealer, they could also submit to the investors....?
Get Real or Get Blank^%* Lost!!!!!!
:)
You had your chance..........!
"Eventually TYTN will be a viable company. The question is when."
Well, since 2004 when the CEO was talked back into the tractor market it seems to have had a "slower" revenue producing operation than expected....(the info is out there) Today with what is happening within our economy, will this cheap "Chinese" import market take share or not? The "oilfilter" thing really should have hit "last year" to become a win for investors but, might still have a chance to make up the dusty shelves that the tractor sales leave behind...???
Listen, the major players(Monsanto Farmers) will support their product usage and unless the smaller farmers(organic/non GMO) relying on the cheap imports get together, there will be flatline to negative result. The business this CEO is playing would be great for the individual business(private) but it has now gone to slicing the individual pieces of each share into a "hair" sized wafer.... No doubt relying upon the MOMO possibilities that can be created on these boards.
1) China is not our friend should we want equality towards import/export
2) Import market from China could be halted in a heart beat should relations get heated.
3) The money is behind major producers of commodities and they are using the buddy system..... Are you rich? Yeah Im rich... Ok lets make each other Richer......
4) With no revenue generating/retaining business in the US , how does the company start in Europe? Euro is going down in flames...
5) What should have been a great private/public business back in the 90's is now a dilutive slice of the investors pie in the 20th century........ 1 player vs numerous players...
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"Wake me up when INIX actually does something. I'm going back to sleep".
Tried to awaken you many times yet.... No prob...............
INIX is but a pimple on the investors arse considering how many outside and within the pink market are "asleep" and degrading the future of OUR basic freedoms/Economy and legal right to take full responsibility of our actions monatarily and personally......!
AKA: My 1st post explained the discontent. BUT...I/we didnt need the DTCC to end the ability to trade this company because it wasnt "up to par" with wall street...I DD'd that bad side 2 months after buying it... My fault...
Conclusion: With the advent of the internet, most information about any company is readily available, so having some commie self regulating agency/clearing firm, dictating my investment avenues, under the guise of "protecting the investment community"....
Well, thats how business has been done since the begining of business..
Want to make it fair?......
FREE the Junk MARKETS and let private investors SHORT the PINKS/OTCs'..!!!!
:)
"when you decide to let go of the rope"
The only reason to hold so long is one might be "dead" in the water already or... the "rope" is still wrapped (self-wrapped) around thy "neck"..??????? haha...
Either way, lets see if some one can get this (new)guy to send the investors more info on our new "winner" he chose for our respected dilutive capitalization efforts...........
:)
EDIT "This Program includes...NOT JUST OIL FILTERS!!! (all filters)
WITH THE ABUSE AND SPIN THIS PROGRAM HAS TAKEN TODAY SOME NEED TO READ WHAT'S ON THE WEBSITE AGAIN OR FOR THE FIRST TIME"!!!!!!!
Yea well, considering this "Mark" guy has been working this company since, what did it write....2004???? and it is now 2011 with a profit margin vs share structure of....????
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..........
Go sell this "filter/tractor/dilution machine else where....
Play the momo that the investors hope will come... Till then, just wait'in on "hope n change" might not back up these writings..............
Never know, 'Might just have a better chance with the fly'iiain Hawiiain only because he can be impeached as where old CEO face cant....
Word!
Defending the mess is legal compliance!!!!!
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EDIT....
"Why don't you give us a long list of Tytan products that are not selling????"
AHAHHAHA.... Just about every picture it uploaded/will upload..
AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
OIL FILTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHAHAHHA
Word!
EDIT "Mark has NOT shown he cares about shareholders. He knows tractors and I KNOW he wants his business to succeed. But so far, he has used us as an ATM."
No true'er statements can be made....
2009 As the "bank" issues "intensified" the company goes "public"..
2010 Company on a path to proposed success and exclusive domination in the "chinese tractor" market..
2011 "Ummm the economy has us a little behind and ah... Hey, looky looky here,... we have "OIL FILTERS"..... Yeaaaaaaaa..... OIL FILTERS... OIL FILTERS... OIL FILTERS........
Shut up and keep buying"!!!
I am TYTN... I Dont Need The DTCC......
:)
In all reality, use this pig like the rest will..... Buy 0002/1 and sell the momo..... If the MOMO in May was worked on a PR about the CEO going to China, than soon enough a run might come on the idea "it" is going to the Outback, checking on the other zombie/combie trying to sell tytn, vs selling YTO exclusively on it's own.... Duhhhhhmy say what..?
Funny stuff....
Did I read earlier that someone thinks because the company went "pink" current it is closer to "uplisting"?
...AHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
"The more I think about it the more I think this filter deal can be hugh It is a consumable,which means each chinese engine will use several in the engines life time"
HUH?????????????????? 1+1 is still 2 right?
Yes, every engine needs an oil change here and there......
3% gain if that... on its Chinese branding...