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You are spot on, if Kim can mass produce silk with all the properties promised there is no entity that can compete!
That being said, we flounder, and yes I know it's better than .06, around the .25 mark without any apparent attempt by Kim to improve it.
No matter why it's this low doesn't matter, what matters is news of production and partners would skyrocket the pps and probably eliminate any need of a RS. None of us know what Kim's thinking only hope for the best, but I would think any and all news that Kim could share would be best for KBLB as well as bury forever the nagging thoughts that the silence means something isn't right. Eliminate the doubts concerning production and partners then you have the golden grail of what KBLB offers, it's POTENTIAL becomes a reality with all that entails.
I don't complain (too much) when a investment proves to be wrong for one reason or another, that's on me. Not even when shorts control the pps as they do in this case do I normally object, that's the stock market and it's policies, but this time it's different. I know very few people who's lives haven't been touched by cancer whether it be themselves or loved ones or simply the fear of it. Just the knowledge that there's a treatment out there that shows great promise would mean the world to them, especially their ability to administer it without chemos toxic side effects.
I don't know if this short attack on MRKR will force a change in the strategy of proposed trials, but any delay or downgrade of trials based on monetary concerns would be a travesty. Unless MRKR wants shorts to control their stock, time is here to step up to the plate and take a swing at getting it back because shorts will play this as long as the money's there.
There's been nothing normal about this from the time Fidelity and others lined up massive short shares prior to the release of the pancreatic trial results, data that was predicted to be impressive which in fact it was. Exactly what extent the manipulation of events that occurred is not known, but to explain the number of short shares being offered when successful data is expected there is no other conclusion other than the fix was in.
What MRKR has to offer at this point appears to be special and a godsend to those suffering from cancer, and the advancements that might result from future trials could very well change the way cancer is treated. All of that was true BEFORE the release of PC data, now it's even moreso, yet the stock lost fifty percent of it's value and that drop has been explained by some as a normal reaction to the data.
BS, we all know this was a manipulated short attack that drove down the pps $2 immediately upon the so-called analysis release and pressured downward ever since.
That MRKR has the funds to continue trials is reassuring and will hopefully make it possible for it's continued success with treatments. But hopefully they are now aware of the pitfalls that can be placed in their way and take whatever measures are necessary. Their treatments are unique and will be highly sought after when trials are concluded, how much depends on the success of trials and how that success is protected against those that will prevent it from public consumption.
POTENTIAL, PRODUCTION, PARTNERS, the 3Ps of KBLB success. We're all aware of the potential of spider silk, but without prs affirming either production and/or partners we'll languish around low .20's and then fall dramatically with a R/S.
Conversely, if prs solidly CONFIRM production is on-going and successful, and list companies with which Kim has solidly CONFIRMED to be potential partners would skyrocket the pps and it then the sky is truly the limit. Then, in my opinion and probably everyone's a R/S wouldn't be needed because the potential products are virtually endless and the pps would reflect exactly that.
That is the game changer for KBLB, would move it from a penny stock to the big time in one pr.
Not telling anyone anything new, just giving a name to what the "dry powder" we hear so much about needs to be.
What MRKR needs is a campaign designed to address the advantages of their treatments and present to the public exactly what those advantages are and what they mean to cancer patients. Posters speak of the possibility that successful cancer drugs may have been discovered that were either hidden or prevented from coming into mainstream treatment programs. There are many cancer studies and trials happening every day, what is it that sets MRKR apart and why should the public be made aware of what it would mean to them.
Maybe the Baylor School of Business would be interested in providing a hands on class providing real time experience for students promoting a company that could possibly save their lives or their loved ones in the future. As they say, the world is a changin, where the young that will inherit all we do and this seems like perfect opportunity for them to have a say in their future. Let them develop a social media network that gets the word out about MRKR, what it offers to the younger generation and perhaps the message will get past the typical roadblocks other treatments have run into.
I said it before, there is huge money involved and apparently most of it desires MRKR to fade into the same abyss as others before them, question is will it be allowed to happen? Answer is it can, and will, if big money has it's way and MRKR doesn't begin a promotional campaign that aggressively defends it's research instead of remaining unknown to the public. If they don't have the expertise or balls to take on big money, let the kids have a shot at it since it's their future we're talking about. Bet they could develop ways to get MRKR into the homes of millionaires and billionaires and god forgive, the average people, because no one is safe from the ravages of cancer and everyone KNOWS it and WANTS a cure to be found.
We all know what a pain in the ass kids can be when they want to, let them know what's at stake and turn them loose and let them have a voice in their future. Sometimes the best answer is the simplest.
Yep, but with everything known about MRKR and what it offers, how could so many bet against them unless there was wasn't some assurance that the stock fall was going to be manipulated? Never mind what happened, prior release and analysis, the data was predicted to be impressive and it was. To bet against it would be taking a huge chance of losing money, not making it. Yet they did, and in big numbers, what did they know?
If I remember correctly there were numerous posts prior to the presentation of pancreatic cancer by MRKR that questioned the vast amount of short stocks that were being accumulated against MRKR. If preliminary data of treatments were positive on several different fronts, never mind just PC, where was the confidence coming from that the stock would fall so far so fast?
There are HUGE amounts of money involved here, as the treatments offered by MRKR are vastly different than almost any other being offered today. It's successes, depending on the data from the trials, could very well render current treatments either obsolete or dependent on MRKR for delivery of a effective drug that minimizes any side effects. How could shorts be so sure of a stock freefall when given the data that MRKR has proven to this point? Did they know that despite the impressive data from pancreatic trials, the early release of that information along with negative analyst comments, would offer a chance to drive down the share price? How did they know? Are you telling me they all bet against a science that was proving itself to be offering what can only be game breaking treatments?
I don't know how anyone can view this as anything other than a short attack on MRKR stock with the deck stacked, nothing else make sense of the investments shorters bet on MRKR stock downturn.
Cudos to all those that have refused to lend shares to Fidelity, only wish there were more of you but I guess no one realized what they had in store for MRKR. Hate to beat the drum, but people are dying from cancer TODAY, TOMORROW, and everyday into the future. Every day that this attack ends up delaying MRKR from hopefully developing cures is a day people die needlessly.
We can't know if MRKR will offer a cure for pancreatic cancer, but the early data was impressive. We don't know the data from other trials but there's no reason to think they won't be equally impressive, especially since they offer a delivery system that is non invasive. This is huge considering the side effects of most cancer treatments, and also huge is the fact that MRKR treatments are vastly inexpensive compared to what others cost.
What's happening really is a shame for investors, but it's a reality nightmare for the millions that pray everyday for someone to save them or a loved one. It may be SOP to some, but I would wager taking that stance would be rejected and shamed by the VAST majority of people. Fidelity continues to orchestrate this short attack, where it ends nobody knows, but if it delays MRKR trials that prove effective then the pain and deaths that result is squarely on them and the shorters they support.
Well, that's certainly one opinion of what transpired and what continues to affect MRKR stock, accurate to a degree but certainly not the whole story. Shorts were lined up to take advantage of the results, and what do you know leaks supplied analysts with data and what do you know they downplayed the importance of the data and what do you know all those shorts cleaned up on the downturn. Nobody could figure out why shorts were loading up when everything was pointing toward good news, now we can only speculate on what they knew that we didn't but there's no doubt shorts played a huge part in the downturn.
Actually I would view your sarcasm as somewhat humorous if not for the subject matter, because I'm sure there are many who do not think it's funny that their loved ones are suffering and/or dying while you infer the obvious. It's not the SEC that will or should hold brokers, in this case Fidelity, responsible for their actions although maybe in the future there will be legal action that can be taken.
Only public outrage will affect brokers and/or shorters in cases like this, where promising biotechs are inhibited from accomplishing their goals. Take only MRKR's promising pancreatic data, including the non invasive delivery, and what the public's reaction would be in learning it's future successes is being threatened not by trial failures but instead by simple greed. Fidelity is supplying the fuel for shorters to extract money from MRKR, threatening current and future trials, at the very least delaying their breakthrough work in curing cancer.
This is not acceptable, even though at the present time it's SOP!
That's your take on what I posted? You think since it's SOP then the effort Fidelity is putting into obtaining shares to short shouldn't be questioned no matter what extenuating circumstances there may be? Ever consider maybe at some point greed is trumped by morality? When to simply be governed by what is legal to do is not only the wrong thing to do it would also be harshly judged by the public.
No one needs to be told the suffering and death that accompanies many cancers, one of the worst being pancreatic. Maybe the path MRKR is on won't lead to a cure for it or any other cancer, but maybe it will and to think delaying or stopping whatever it is they hope to accomplish in my opinion is unacceptable.
This is not simply your average shorters buying from a brokerage firm, this is Fidelity in a all out attempt to drive MRKR into financial ruin, motivated only by greed without any thought whatsoever of the ramifications. I'm well aware of the legality and arguments regarding the shorting of stocks, and that any mention of morality is trumped by the business of stock investing.
That being said, there should be a watchdog group that protects companies when their achievements can be seen as game changing in the fight against cancer and/or other devastating diseases. With the huge amounts of money at stake in medical treatments today, such as cancer, a smaller biotech who threatens to make current treatment obsolete will no doubt be viewed as the enemy of the status quo. Is Fidelity acting on it's own, strictly motivated by greed, or is it being influenced by the tens of billions of dollars currently invested in cancer treatments that could be threatened by MRKR's success?
Everyday courts in this country hand out billions in cases of wrongful death and/or pain and suffering, yet somehow the law currently allows financial institutions to be exempt from those responsibilities even though they intentionally cause both and are motivated simply by greed. If Fidelity's actions were known to the public, there would be OUTRAGE as well there should be, for cancer threatens all and the thought that people might be denied the benefits offered by MRKR simply for greed is outrageous and would certainly be judged as such by the ALL the population.
Sitting here reading all the posts feeling depressed with the obvious short selling taking down MRKR, thinking of the greed of those investors.
Half watching a BB game of ex-college athletes in tournament with 1M dollars going to winning team, one called SIDELINE CANCER. Just announced these players, none of which are NBA or probably never will be, have given $500,000 of that prize money to foundation fighting Pancreatic cancer if they win the tournament.
Not a lot of money in the fight against cancer, but a hell of a lot to these players! Ten guys giving up a huge payday, for them, to help fight a cancer while FIDELITY leads the fight to stop the brightest hope for a cure there has ever been.
Most assuredly MRKR leaders made mistakes in this presentation, opening the door for shorters who were locked and loaded, but that takes nothing away from the work they're doing. Don't want to sound sappy, but seeing this just reinforces the scope of what a cancer cure means, and the sacrifices ordinary people are willing to make to save others.
Hell with it, not depressed any longer, go MRKR!
Really, that surprises me since there hasn't been any solid news of production taking place or specific partners named. I for one am very pleased that the pps has held and even went up considering this and the fact there are still traders that are trying to drive it down.
Would love to see news of production actually taking place now and/or the relationships we have with the Army and others that desire KBLB spider silk. PRs concerning either of those, if solid, would then drive the pps into the values of which you speak.
Just waiting for a sudden trader instigated drop of the pps now that confidence is showing for KBLB.
Once again, it's the potential! I certainly don't know what requirements Kim has for companies that would be interested in the spider silk that KBLB can produce, and that includes what type of financial investment those companies might offer.
But if the spider silk that KBLB can produce is indeed all that it appears to be, the absolute potential of what it means to a vast array of products should and no doubt will attract big name companies. If all that stands in the way of KBLB production is financing, hell Nike could pay the 50 million or whats needed out of pocket change. "It's all about the potential, stupid" should be Kim's motto when dealing with interested companies and should be able to cut deals that are extremely favorable to KBLB.
Now, now, mojo, let's be team players and put those arrows back in the quiver until at least the end of the day. Give Kim a chance to save his company and insure investors that he does in fact have a handle on the financing and production of spider silk.
Would love to see Kongs step up and use their power to keep traders from dragging pps down to where panic selling begins.
Every time in the last few weeks that the pps appears to be rising, a sudden drop of everywhere from .09 to .02 pulls it back down to a point where if it does recover it's not immediate. This has occurred for the most part without any provocation, done simply by traders to play on the volitile nature that permeates KBLB stock at this time.
This has prevented the natural rise in the pps that should have occurred, resulting in the present low pps. Hopefully, investors don't panic and sell if the same tactic is used today, but it's worked very well for traders and wouldn't be surprised if it does so today.
Traders that are shorting this stock should be ashamed! Never mind what it's doing to investors, if their actions in any way impede or prevent the great work being done for the treatment of cancers by MRKR then I hope karma kicks their asses!
Can only assume none of them have family or friends that are among the millions suffering from cancer, and that none of them have any pity or concern for those that might have been saved and/or comforted by the work being done here. The work being done by MRKR will be eventually be brought to the public, it's too important not to, but any delays that mean unnecessary death and suffering caused by the greed of these shorters is in my opinion morally criminal!
Say it aint so.
But if the worst happens and Kim has to unload the company due to financial reasons, the patented science and all the potential that we've come to believe in will be in the hands of a company that I assume will know what to do with it. What a shame that would be for the investors that have been here for so long, another company producing spider silk and marketing all the products that should have been done by KBLB.
But that's worst case, hope to hell it doesn't go there. Maybe Kim will surprise everyone and really deliver the goods tomorrow, god it would be great to see KBLB going forward and not have all the good work done to this point with the silk worms be handed off to another company to reap the benefits.
Our relationship with the Army is one that is very curious, on one hand it seems to be ended and on the other maybe going forward under the auspices of security concerns. If shootpacks made of spider silk have truly been accepted by the army as superior to kevlar, then it would make sense that the army wouldn't want that information to be broadcast to our enemies. Maybe there are several uses of KBLB products that could be used, if so I have no doubt that it could fall under security reasons that KBLB couldn't tell the world.
Very confusing, as well as complicated, in relationship to the money investors have in KBLB that would be tremendously affected if Kim does have this relationship with the army. Under Homeland Security there is could very well be non-disclosure rules that Kim cannot break, yet any contract with the army would be huge in relationship to investors concerns with the pps.
Then again, maybe there is none, just sayin...
Thanks for your take on the results. This strikes close to home for me as my mom died from pancreatic cancer, being 76 years old she was told she most likely wouldn't survive the terrible side effects of chemo, and that treatments most likely wouldn't prolong her life in any case. A horrible choice to make, treatments that would make life miserable and probably kill you with little hope of success or live your last days in relative comfort waiting for a miracle. She chose the latter and survived for a few months before dying but she never gave up hope something would be developed that could give her hope of living.
As far as I can tell, MRKR gives people suffering from this terrible cancer a different path, at the very least hope thru treatments that wouldn't make their last days not worth living. Appears that MRKR could possibly be combined with other drugs to at the very least give hope that the cancer could be successfully treated, just a chance of survival that is not presently available without the terrible side effects of chemo. That's all my mom wanted and waited for, but the miracle of what MRKR presents came too late.
I didn't realize asking for the most basic information needed to assure investors that KBLB is at the very least progressing with production and/or future partnerships would stop Kim in his tracks. He surely took time to issue the rah rah letter concerning the RS, but didn't do anything to save the pps, a task that wouldn't have taken a great deal of information as investors are begging for the excuse to put even more money into KBLB shares.
The entire stock market is built on great ideas, and the information that concerns those ideas means everything to investors, but apparently you think that is not the case with KBLB. I still think it's one of those great ideas, just don't agree with the path.
Maybe Kim's gonna unload on us this week with all the dry powder he's got, dispelling all worries regarding financing and production, now that would be bread crumbs that would make me happy to follow.
Well I'm sure Kim can walk and chew gum at the same time, so while his team is producing the necessary spider silk he can at the very least provide enough information to insure those that believe in KBLB that they're not being fools for doing so. I too believe once we produce and market spider silk those partners will do the marketing and we'll be on our way up, but is ANY being produced and are there ANY partners? Won't take much to give confidence to investors, both now and in the future, but absolute silence sounds alot like the bottom of a deep well into which our money is going.
I agree, it's something I can't even contemplate being considered.
That being said, what will pharma companies think of the data? I realize everything being said about the timing and presentation of the results of the trials and the effects on the pps, but what will the companies that base their evaluations on the data itself think about what MRKR offers? Doesn't seem reasonable to me that they would ignore the critical benefits of this treatment, and the fact that moving forward it could be tweaked to be even more effective with no side effects that haunts chemo treatments.
I don't think any longs are short term in their thinking, after all it's been ten years waiting for a substantial production of spider silk and many original investors are still here. Listing the questionable shootpack and Polartec relationships as absolute proof of KBLB's successful production schedule doesn't exactly instill confidence in investors. Don't get me wrong, I think both are great accomplishments by Kim but have to be backed up by proof they are indeed moving forward because at the present time there is NONE.
Just saying if Kim wants a viable RS to uplist, he must provide more information or he better plan on going forward with a falling pps that is being manipulated by traders that have no interest whatsoever if he ever brings a product to market. The potential of KBLB is incredible and that's the only reason we're still in the .20s after all that's happened, including the proposed RS and pics and trader manipulations and ALL the negative posts. For years investors had to beg Jon and Kim for news and maybe that was okay when the pps was .04, but with the increased value comes a need for a far more aggressive pr campaign to instill confidence that investment in KBLB is indeed a great opportunity.
Depressing, that's about all one can say about everything that has gone on with KBLB in the last couple of months. The elation that KBLB was finally fulfilling the promises of it's potential has been totally and perhaps irrevocably crushed by greed with all the manipulations that go along with it. Shorters, traders, MMs, all jumped on the sudden rise in stock value, and have continued to drive the price down using both Kim's silence and the unrelenting negative posts that undermine any confidence investors may have in KBLB moving forward.
Don't know Kim's end game, but he'd better come out with something that convinces investors that KBLB's future is both bright and moving forward, be it with from a production standpoint or partnership announcement. It MUST be something solid, because anything less will simply be trumped by traders that rely on the current lack of confidence in Kim that is drummed into investors everyday by negative posts. Kim could have and should have had his ducks in a row before ever announcing the proposed RS, to not do so simply gives rise to all the doubts surrounding such a move and Kim's ultimate reason for doing so. It wouldn't have take much, but at a time when others are moving forward with their spider silk techniques that are heavily promoted, we don't even know if our worms are even producing ANYTHING or if ANYONE is even interested in buying it. This is all on Kim and his total lack of communication, which begs the question of WHY?
Hopefully Kim dispels all these questions in the next week, coming forward with production/partnership news that cannot be challenged! The potential of KBLB must be reaffirmed and investors, both individual and institutional, must be given the confidence to ignore the negative posts and realize that KBLB is truly a game changer.
Not telling you anything new, but this stock dropped over .20 in the last week, news of a RS and pics being blamed for the loss. Not saying these didn't effect the price, but pps remained stable after news then dropped drastically for no reason. From over .40 to .32 in a couple of trades, from .32 to .25, from .26 to .20 twice, every time pps recovered from news, trades would come that had no basis for happening. Every time it was accompanied by negative attacks on Kim's leadership and intentions, it's a wonder we're even at .20!
If you don't think we're being played, our interpretations of it are drastically different. Hopefully Kim knows what he's doing, remaining silent during this drop is disturbing, but whatever the hell he's doing I wish he'd let us know soon or the panic selling will continue.
Anybody else feel like they're being played?
As everyone is aware, or should be, KBLB is entering a new and critical phase with the up coming RS. Maybe this was Kim's plan all along, maybe it was made necessary by the actions of traders and MMs that has made it virtually impossible to raise the pps past .50. Without a doubt the lack of communication played a part, but so did the profit taking and the ever present negative posts that questions every aspect of KBLB.
Of course all of these are just parts of trading stocks in the OTC, but together they have left Kim with no option other than a RS if he wants to take KBLB to a new level or even survive at all. Many say wait for the pps to rise with news that will make the RS unnecessary, but unless Kim ready to announce major partners and/or massive production there is no doubt all the above will continue to hold down the pps to near present levels. Any potential individual investors doing DD that stumble onto this board will no doubt be discouraged from investing by what has happened recently, and by both Kim's actions and/or honesty being constantly questioned by current investors in KBLB, so it only follows that the RS is our best hope for success.
Would love to be wrong and that the pps rises to a point where the RS is not needed, but that's not gonna happen, we constantly shoot ourselves in the foot and it's not until institutional investing is obtained will KBLB reach it's potential.
Lots of investors are going to either lose money or gain money depending on what transpires in the next couple of weeks! Some have sold everything based on Kim's PR's of last week, some will do so this week depending on whether there are any PRs coming before the meet. There are so many questions with so few answers that at this point either selling or buying seems to hold equal risks, what it all boils down to is how a investor feels about Kim and his intentions.
Do you trust Kim, do you think he's a fool or a genius, do you think he cares at all what happens to investors that have been with KBLB since the beginning? He's the one with all the answers pertaining to production, future partners, etc., and obviously he's the one who will control the future of KBLB regardless how we feel or vote. All the current doubts and misgivings about a future RS is justified, it all boils down to whether we trust Kim, with his knowledge of all that we don't know, to use it if needed to take KBLB to the next level.
Guess we'll find out sometime in the next few weeks whether our trust in Kim is justified or foolish, but after a decade being invested in these cute little silk worms and finally seeing KBLB on the verge of becoming a great investment under Kim's leadership I'm NOT going to pull the plug now unless he convinces me he's gone completely bonkers!
Well, what does all this mean to investors?
What you say is true, or not! LOL, typical of the last ten years of KBLB! I have no idea what Versa thought of KBLB, and whether it was even a consideration in selling or the price of Polartec. But I guarantee you that Milliken took a hard look at KBLB and what effect a business relationship with Kim would mean to their product line.
Who knows what this all means, until we know the details of the sale there's no way to know if KBLB influenced it at all. But the ENORMOUS potential of KBLB had to have been considered, even if it was judged by both Versa and Milliken to be a pipe dream!
What we don't know about KBLB, from production to business partners, is by far the main reason the pps hangs around .30!
That being said, I really can't imagine Millikens buying Polartec without the enormous potential of KBLB being at the very least a mitigating factor. What communications have taken place or if contracts have been signed are just two unanswered questions, I just find it hard to believe that NOTHING was done by Millikens to at least get Kim interested if not committed in doing business with them. It follows that if they did do DD, and were satisfied with KBLB's potential being realized, it should give also give investors confidence that the answers to production questions is very favorable.
Maybe Millikens sees this as the golden chance to skip over the fortune 1000 right to the 500!
Isn't that "goo" a concoction produced by bacteria? If so, and maybe I'm being oversensitive, but wrapping all my best "buddies" in anything associated with bacteria is a little concerning. Cute little silkworms vs vat of bacteria, can't wait to see KBLB commercials.
The fact that they have Addidas for a partner should be a huge factor to Nike in getting involved with KBLB! Anything produced by both, including hats, all kinds of apparel, and most of all shoes would be far more attractive containing spider silk than bacteria goo.
No need to apologize, we're all big boys, matter of fact it was just fine with me that someone had my back in this and the dialogue that followed showed where others stand and I appreciate that. I fully realized my post would not be received by many with open arms since the reality of investing is to make money, and any negative comments on how that is accomplished would not be popular. Investing is a tough game, we all have to decide what actions to take and what we can live with as individuals.
Yeah, thanks for the advice, but since I've been here since the start I think I'll stick around to see how it all turns out.
Well Champ, and I sure don't mean the Redskins cause it's gonna be a while for them, if you think that was IGNORANT just wait cause I got a lot more. I know any site involved in investing is the wrong place to bring any sort of morality or sympathy into the conversation, but when something strikes me wrong I usually let it out.
I've been long on this for many years, so long KBLB is almost like a pet to me, like a lovable but not very bright dog that does alot of stupid things but I just like having around. Now that dog has suddenly turned smart but along with that comes a certain meanness that was never there before. I'll keep it around, but I'll also kick it when I feel like it and sell it when somebody offers me enough money cause it's not so great to have around anymore.