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'zitboy_rev_11_3' Amen to that!!!!!!!!1
'floridian ggg' I sure hope you are right. It is a funny thing but earlier I was thinking how managment deserves an accolade for this new coverage. That is their job, selling the company. I was thrilled, but with the share price dropping so steadily since 1 pm it seems like an old familiar pattern.
Have a good weekend, and lets blow the doors off these analysts estimates real soon.
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I hate to say this, but it sure smells like an insider sale to me. It has that old familiar odor. We will probably find out after the bell or Monday.
Best to all
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Probably an insider
Who's selling now??
Does anyone else out there in rah rah land see the share price as a serious problem?
'mschere: You do great work for this board so I do not intend to try and insult your intelligence or your opinions on management. However, I do beleive that IDCC management has done great harm to the individual shareholder at their own enhancement. The public statements being made and deals being finished that coincide with their form 4 sales to me are proof of this. I did not say they are crooks, I did not say that IDCC is not a good long term investment.
I do believe that IDCC is suffering from insider sales and very poor and questionable communications. JMHO
Good luck to all of us and keep up the good work, I do enjoy your posts.
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I guess we really do have momentum!! lETS SIGN SOME MORE FORM 4;S ON THIS WATERSHED EVENT!
Disgusted with the way this company deals with the shareholder!
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Found on the Raging Bull board:
Reining In Exec Options
By Pradnya Joshi
Newsday STAFF WRITER
June 23, 2003
Companies are quietly undergoing a sea change in accounting for stock options.
Options were a gravy train of the 1990s, but in the past few years many policy experts have tried to stop them, lobbying legislators and corporate oversight boards to step in and keep them from becoming the engine of runaway executive pay.
"What [options] led to in the '90s was the greatest wealth transfer in history away from shareholders and to corporate executives," contends Nell Minow, editor of The Corporate Library, a research firm based in Portland, Maine.
Corporate boards often used options as a way to align executives' interests with shareholders: If the executive worked to maximize shareholder value by increasing the company's stock price, he or she would also be rewarded because the value of his or her options would rise. But every year, as executives were heaped with more and more options, the excesses began piling up, corporate watchdog groups say.
Some executives in the Newsday lists, for example, are still sitting on options they were awarded in the past several years that have ballooned to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
At the end of 2002, USA Interactive chief executive Barry Diller had nearly $750 million worth of options yet to be cashed in, while Colgate-Palmolive chief executive Reuben Mark had amassed options worth nearly $156 million at the end of 2002.
Critics contend that lax accounting standards - companies can freely hand out options without affecting their bottom lines - are to blame for having created a culture of excess. They say that stock options should be treated as a normal business expense. In the past year, Congress has been the staging ground for renewed debate on the issue.
In early 1990s, the Financial Accounting Standards Board, the group that sets accounting rules in the United States, was considering requiring companies to treat options as an expense in the same way business accounts for salaries, benefits and other components of pay.
Many companies, particularly technology and many start-up operations, opposed the push to expense options and some politicians have even introduced bills that would try to override accounting policy standards.
In 1995, the standards board compromised. It said expensing was optional, although companies must at least disclose the expense of options in a footnote in financial statements.
Not surprisingly, only about three of the companies in Standard & Poor's 500 index voluntarily took a charge to their profits between 1995 and 2002.
However, in the past year, politicians, shareholder activists and even prominent investor billionaire Warren Buffett have called on companies to expense options.
Sensing that a formal rule change is in the air, many of America's top companies, seeking to be seen to employ the best corporate practices, have moved to make the change.
According to a May report prepared by the firm Bears Stearns Cos., 281 companies have announced that they are already or will soon write down stock options as an expense in earnings statements. That list includes 22 Top 100 New York City companies and two Top 100 Long Island companies.
That trend likely will accelerate since the standards board is now saying it favors requiring companies to treat options as an expense. The board will put out a draft proposal in the fourth quarter of this year, and a new rule could take effect as soon as April 2004.
"Ultimately investors will benefit by having one method so that they'll be able to compare on an apples-to-apples basis," said board spokeswoman Sheryl Thompson.
For the first time in seven years, corporate boards seem to be showing some restraint on options, pay experts say.
In a survey of about 180 of the largest companies in America, the value of new stock options awarded to executives was down 34 percent compared with last year, according to Pearl Meyer & Partners.
Jan Koors, managing director at Pearl Meyer & Partners, said firms are introducing other long-term incentives to replace options.
One reason: Companies don't want to end up taking a charge for options if they go "underwater" and therefore end up being worth nothing to the executive.
Companies are looking at cash bonuses tied to three- or five-year targets, stocks and other awards, other experts say.
"Options are still popular and the most prevalent long-term incentive vehicle. They are just being used in moderation," said Robin Ferracone, Los Angeles-based worldwide partner at Mercer Human Resource Consulting.
Compensation Charts
Newsday's annual survey reports on the total compensation paid to the top executives at the 100 largest public companies on Long Island and the 100 largest companies in New York City based on revenue. In addition, the lists include pay at publicly held banks in the region and Queens-based companies.
On Long Island, the pay figures listed in these charts are for all the named executives at the 25 largest companies. For the other 75 companies, data for the chief executive and one additional person who was the highest paid among the listed officers can be found in the printed charts. For New York City companies, the pay is listed only for the chief executives.
The data comes from Aon Consulting's eComp Database, www.ecomponline.com, which is operated by Aon Consulting's eComp Data Services in New York City. eComp was founded by Joshua Lurie and Ian M. Singer in 1996 and was acquired by Aon Consulting in March 2002. The database covers information on every publicly traded company that files with the Securities and Exchange Commission - more than 10,000 companies.
Additional data for nearly 650 executives on Long Island and Queens and more details of the pay breakdown are available on Newsday's Web site at www.newsday.com/business. Charts listing executives ranked by total pay also are available on the Web site.
Copyright © 2003, Newsday, Inc.
Thank you for 500 more at 24.45, Never thought I would get it.
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A matter of "days"....now that was misleading.
A mater of days as they all signed their form 4's. Days turned into weeks, weeks into months, months into???????
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To All:
I was angry last night when I heard about the insider sale of Harry C. and I voiced my anger on the boards. I now want to apologize to everyone.
These boards are a great investment tool and until lately everyone on Jim's forum have shared openly and helpfully as we all try to explore the myriad of information on our investment of IDCC. There has been far to much anger and dissension while at the same time our stock has acheived a "watershed" event. I truly beleive we are on our way and we will never look back.
Harry's sale was a planned sale, therefore, no one should have a problem with that or any insider selling on a planned sale.
Anyway, I am convinced that IDCC has the goods and will continue to license for past, present and future patents.
I look forward to NOK/Samsung and the enrichment that is sure to follow all of us who have been long and strong IDCC.
Enjoy the weekend and thanks to all who contribute so much to this forum. I can't tell you how many times you have helped me maintain my sanity as IDCC has struggled to get where we are today.
Next stop "the stars!!"
Long and Strong IDCC.
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teecee'
Sorry! Economics is the basis of all discrimination. There are those who believe they are entitled and act on that beleif. IDCC seems to be filled with the "Elect."
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teecee: If that were true, He will be sitting next to Martha.
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It is obvious to me that IDCC management thinks this is a private company. They continue to have an arrogant in your face action each and every time we begin to move the stock price in an upward direction.
Harry seems to be from the school, that the dirty, little, people can eat cake.
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Pigs just can't stay away from the trough. Thanks Harry for one more buying opp.
Best
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This could help us!!
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Dow Jones Business News
Hedge-Fund Managers Wary of Tax Penalty on Short Selling
Thursday June 5, 2:17 pm ET
By Allison Bisbey Colter
NEW YORK -- This year's tax package, which was designed to boost the U.S. economy, puts a crimp in one of the most profitable businesses on Wall Street: lending stock to people making bearish bets on the market.
A key provision of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, which was signed into law last month, is a reduction in the top tax rate investors pay on stock dividends to 15% from 35%.
Not all dividends are created equal, however. Among other exceptions are payments investors receive instead of a dividend when they lend their stock to short sellers. Referred to as either "payments in lieu of dividends" or " substitute payments," these aren't eligible for the new lower rate.
That means the cost of betting on declines in the prices of stocks that pay dividends is likely to increase, since investors will want to be compensated for the higher taxes they incur on substitute payments. Some investors may not be willing to lend their stock at all, making it difficult to sell these securities short at any price.
"It's basically a hidden tax" on short selling, said John Van, chief financial officer of Van Hedge Fund Advisors International, a Nashville-based hedge-fund tracker and consultancy.
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030605/1417001163_1.html
Question for those who attended ASM: Any discussion on stock split??
TIA
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From another board: Interesting read...z
Insider selling hits 2-year high
And the ratio of selling to buying jumps in what Thomson says could be bearish sign for stocks.
June 4, 2003: 7:16 PM EDT
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Stock sales by corporate officers hit a 24-month high in May, according to Thomson Financial, during a month when the U.S. stock market rose to its best level in nearly a year.
Insider selling jumped 150 percent to total $3.3 billion last month as executives in every sector but transportation sold stock, the Thomson figures released Wednesday show.
But Thomson said that while insider buying increased nearly 60 percent month-over-month to $119 million, it remains well below its 5-year historic average of $180 million.
In contrast, May was the first time since November that monthly insider sales exceeded the five-year historic monthly average of $2.4 billion.
The resulting rise in the sell/buy ratio could signal that the stock market's advance has run its course.
"The sharp spike in the level of the sell-buy ratio could be a troublesome sign for the market," according to Lon Gerber and Kevin Schwenger, two Thomson analysts who reported the data.
The selling comes during a stock market run that has propelled the Standard & Poor's 500 index up 12.1 percent this year. It also follows seasonal patterns because insiders who are restricted from selling during the April earnings reporting period often do so the next month.
Michael Dell, the CEO of Dell Computer, and Steve Ballmer, the CEO of Microsoft, have both sold shares of their companies this year, raising questions about whether the shares are fully valued.
But inside sales are not always a reliable market indicator. That's because the sales can motivated by the need to diversify among people whose net worth is often concentrated in one stock.
Still, Thomson's data show that the insider sell-buy ratio is the highest since May 2001, a period that pre-dated a big fall in the U.S. stock market.
IDCC would not, did not, purchase shares back post 9/11 when the share price was in the single digits. I don't for a minute think they will purchase shares now.
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revlis
If this board is an outlet for a covert "employee" of IDCC that does make a difference to me. What is wrong with asking questions of information displayed in a public forum??
This board has lost it's ability to investigate, research and question our investment without a full scale assault on the questioner.
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rmarchma
You are one of the reasons I watch this board, please continue to write your well thought out and informative posts.
I could care less about the nonsense of who did what and when. The only words, or actions that matter are those of management. It is good that we have a forum to challenge, discuss and disagree on the limited and often times veiled information put out by IDCC. Thanks for all of your efforts.
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'arthritis59
Your Point??
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teecee'
Who cares and so what? Let it go!!!
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'3GDollars
That is not funny, I hit the sell ALL button 3 times when I saw the headline, form 4. LOL
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blueskywaves
I just want to be sure i am reading you right, Are you saying today's rumor and loss of share price is the shareholders fault??????
TIA
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'Danny Detail'
I certainly understand and appreciate your expertise in this area. I do worry about short term fall out, but I ask myself as an investor how do I feel about this action. I beleive it indicates a concerned and informed shareholder base that is watching out for the "little guy" interest. I think that is a good thing.
If it developed into an adversarial group on every issue or started to involve themselves where they don't belong on management issues than I would disagree with them.
Management can, as Loop suggested, give more detailed information on the need and this would again be a positive.
Good Investing, and I love IDCC movement and future potential.
God BLess
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H42
"opinions may be welcome, but we don't need this in a news release! not in todays environment, where the average investor doesnt trust the ceo's/insiders already"
This seems to me that investors who do not trust management would be calmed by the active shareholder interest. JMHO
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IMO this is much ado about "Nothing." If anything, it says to me that the shareholder is aware and watching the management of this company so as not to be taken down the path with so many other recent debacles. This doesn't change anything as far as I can determine. Opinions are welcomed.
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OT Bulldozer: Someone is asking for you on the MIGR Raging Bull Board.
Here is another one that seems timely:
CEO compensation and stock options
Buffett and Munger believe that CEO compensation, especially from stock options, has spiraled out of control and needs to be reined in. Buffett commented, "We saw more crazy stuff in the 1990s than in the previous 100 years. There was wealth transfer that has never been experienced before." Changes in this area are, Buffett said, the "acid test of corporate reform."
Buffett and Munger had particularly harsh words for those people (mostly CEOs, who of course benefit massively from stock options) that are fighting to keep the cost of stock options off of financial statements. Buffett argued that the "truth is that American companies have been paying people without recording it on the income statement. But that game is over." Later, he added that those who "argue that the cost of options is included in the footnotes [of the 10-K], [I say] why not pull all expenses in footnotes? Then you could just have two lines on the income statement: sales and the same amount on the next line, profits."
Good trading and go IDCC
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Found this thought of the day on another board:
Buffett thought:
Be wary of management and analyst projections
While Buffett values outstanding managers very highly, he evaluates them himself and has no use for their projections: "Almost everything we learn is from public documents.... We do not find it particularly helpful to talk to managements.... The numbers tell us a lot more than the managements. We don't give a hoot about anyone's projections. We don't want even want to hear about it."
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'blueskywaves' Are you Howard? Blue sky and sun shining?
TIA
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Interesting From another board:
Telecom's latest threat: The demographic time bomb
The average age in many developed nations is creeping higher and will increase even further over the next 25 years
by Alan Tumolillo
Japan, Italy, Germany and Spain have crossed a demographic threshold: there are more people over 59 years of age in each of these countries than there are people under the age of 20. For the next 25 years each of these countries will continue to age, so that by 2025 there will be close to two people over 59 to every one under 20. By 2025 Japan is projected to have 1.94 persons over 59 for every one under 20; Italy will have 2.20. The US, thanks to continued immigration, is projected to have only 0.93 persons over 60 for each person under 20.
Among the large-population developing nations - China, India, Mexico, Indonesia and Brazil - the trend is similar, but the impacts will take longer to be felt. China has a massive youth population which is already in decline; India's is just about stable and will decline post 2025.
Youth matters
The trend towards an older population in Western Europe and Japan, even the US, should be a major worry for the telecom industry for several reasons.
First, youth drives new telecom markets. The youth sector is always the driving force in new technology - cellular, paging, video games, instant messaging, i-mode in Japan, SMS in Europe. By 2025 Japan will have over 5 million less young people; that's likely to be at least 2.5-3.0 million less cell phones that won't be in service using 3G technology and several hundred million messages, transactions and calls that won't be made over the 3G networks every year.
Second, the elderly reduce spending on appliances and applications. Seniors, as they enter the end of their productive years, reduce consumption and see a drop in income. The elderly are not as interested in video games, sending video grams over cell networks or buying new phones every year.
Whatever technology was "hot" when the current elderly were young (e.g., TV, music systems) is used less than when they were kids. There is no reason to expect that the elderly will use devices and networks at the same rate as when they were young. Yes, they will be online, but to communicate, not to be entertained.
As individuals age, their relative and absolute health care costs rise on average across the age cohort. A person under 25 years of age has, on average, $445 in health care costs; a person over 65 sees average costs of $2,933, almost 6.6 times that of the young person.
As all of these countries see aging populations, there will be enormous shifts in a nation's resources towards care for the elderly. Looking at just the US and ignoring any inflation impacts over the period, we note the following shift in resources. If health care costs in 2000 for the under 20 age group were "H", then given that in 2000 there were 0.58 people over 59, each with health care costs on average 6.6 times higher, then the elderly health care costs are 3.83*H.
Fast forward to 2025, where we have 0.93 elderly for each person under 20, health care costs are now 6.14 times that of the youth population. In countries like Japan where the youth population and overall work force are declining, the burden will truly be enormous, sapping much of society's resources.
Additionally, as people plan for retirement they are less interested in high-risk investments and more interested in capital or estate preservation and income-producing investments. Since people live longer (if you make it to age 55, then you have a life expectancy of another 25 years on average), there is no way that the average person can simply live by reducing assets nor can they expect that markets will rise forever - the belief system of the late 1990s as regarding bull markets.
Hence, as individuals see the end of their productive lives, they tend to focus on finding income. This will mean, gradually, less interest in speculative stocks, high-risk junk bonds, and, in general, in companies with unproven business plans.
Decline of Japan
Let's look at Japan. The economy has stagnated for ten years or longer. No longer do we see big headlines about "Japan Inc". There has been much analysis of structural problems in Japan's economy - the role of the big banks, the inefficiencies of the service sector, protectionist policies for the service industry, the real estate bubble. All of these are true. But one thing missing is the decline of the youth sector.
In Japan in 1990 there were approximately 32.8 million people under the age of 20; by 2000 this had dropped to 26.2 million, or a loss of 6.6 million or over 20%! By 2025 this will decline by another 5.3 million. This is a staggering diminution of the youth market - how many fewer schools will be needed; how many fewer cell phones will be purchased; how many fewer PCs, video games, software packages, CDs, and so forth will be sold?
Going beyond telecom, we can see whole industries contracting: clothing, housing, entertainment, office space, automobiles, and just about everything as Japan becomes a smaller and older country. This will mean a dramatic reduction in the outlook for NTT and for DoCoMo at least in terms of their domestic operations.
The US fares better than most countries simply due to its ability to absorb immigrants. This sole fact will allow the US to grow when all other Western European nations and Japan contract under declining fertility rates and aging populations. Immigration doesn't seem to be acceptable social policy in Japan and it is a difficult social policy in Europe, where many nations are ethnically and linguistically defined.
Japan already suffers from the problems of an aging society. A less vibrant society awaits Japan and this will lead to the continual decline in domestic telecom.
This suggests that a long-range strategy for telecom, factoring in how the population will age and the diversion of resources over the next 25 years, will be required, as follows:
Eliminate complexity in services: Complex services will be abandoned by the large elderly cohort and play to a diminishing youth market.
Reduce capital investment overall in networks: A lean network has a better chance of surviving in this environment where every revenue dollar will have to be fought for.
Invigorate the health care vertical market: If there is one vertical market that will see sustained growth, it is health care. This suggests that imaging applications, remote diagnostics support, patient databases, billing platforms, drug industry networking, hospital and acute care facilities networking will generate long-term growth in an otherwise contracting market.
Make communications completely transparent: The ability to communicate over networks should always and continuously be made easy so that the elderly do not abandon networks.
How serious is this?
We leave you with this simple-minded analysis. NTT DoCoMo has a market cap of approximately $130 billion (May 2002). NTT owns 67% of DoCoMo. NTT's market cap is only $68 billion. Deducting the value of DoCoMo that NTT owns from its own market cap yields a market cap for the landline network in Japan of - $19 billion
While it is not possible to attribute all of the problems with NTT to a declining youth population, it is important to realize that NTT has no growth ahead of it, only absolute decline. What is an overbuilt, costly network worth in the face of a declining market? Every single day that passes means (a) less people in Japan, (b) less children and youth in Japan, and (c) more elderly in Japan.
Allan Tumolillo is chief operations officer for Probe Research
JimLur: yes run a survey, eom.
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I wonder if the sun was shining bright again today in KOP??
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witchhollow
Take off the blinders for once and look for "THE GREEDSTERS.
Anyone have any idea how this will play on tomorrow's stock price? TIA
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GBR You didn't even mention indemnify!!! SOmething else they may want to clear up before coming back to the trough!! Unbelieveable!
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