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I get the concern, but right now we are already seeing a tightening b/a, and the conversion didn't leave any room for escape for those already in above .001...holding sees 2,000,000 float with revenues at $20,000,000...$10.00 a share with no X factor at all... I see this as explosive...I commented yesterday that this would fall shortly then consoidate...I think I was very wrong...I've got another $200. in already at .9 and $200. more in the bid at .9 for my Roth...Here's to Good Fortune!
After my buy, I show 8000% gainer on TDA, lol...
I am starting the buy orders...I think this thing is going up tomorrow...tightening up, and up .40? I think it's going to explode...maybe I just hope...In at .005 before the conversion... GLTA
Anyone know why Piranha water isn't listed in Dan Hardy's sponsor link?
Surprised I haven't heard from cdnkid on my previous post...he got quiet quick...I like to hear real talk of real Genta progress...thanks for all the legit DD out there on this forum
You really want to use this debt, (because that is what it is), to determine the stock's PPS?
How in the world does that compute? And you don't divide the these 2 sums (54m and 40m)... they don't even belong in the same equation together.
The Market Capitalization is possibly the only measure of a company's worth at the level that this company is trading at, if you are going to use hard numbers at all (and market cap is even a stretch...it's more of a place to start). We can use SEC filings to determine intrinsic value at this point, but the 40m debt is not a plus until it can be seen just how the debt will be used.
That being said, I can see speculation with either the Market Cap being net worth, or the debt (40m) being worth its conversion rate. EDIT: And the real Market Cap is what we KNOW to be true..not the speculation that 6 billion shares are out to Market...because they are not. If they were, then the company is diluting is an ENORMOUS way! If you are using Naked Shorts in your calculations, then this also is bad math..
The only other way to value it is in extrinsic value...anything outside of the business core that would change the way investor's might value the stock.
I am long, and happy to be...but you can't invent mathematics to embellish the truth of the investment. This stock is worth exactly what people are paying for it today...That is reality. And dividing the Market cap into the debt being assumed? Beyond me there... GLTA
This is a legit company, in my opinion, as as it is, this is the way this R/S will go, probably textbook for a real organization trying to consolidate shares and reorganize its books and fundamentals. It is apparent that VRGD was used for leverage to the public forum only, and we have some leadership here now...but I digress...
We will see a period of mass sell off followed by a term of consolidation, trading sideways. This is good, and just the way I want to see it go down! Next, look for share price to come back up to original IPO price (IPO is essentially what this equates to). That is your mark to continue buying. Next look for upward trendline and hold til a break of support and a move downward of other chosen indicators (I like MACD and Momentum and Stoch wit MA's set to 5 and 9 initially).
I see this all going according to plan, but we have to wait it out to find out. This would be a toilsome hoax if that is what it ends up being, but I think we stumbled on the real deal here. I am waiting it out unless the initial offering goes sky high. If for some crazy reason that happens, then I look to get out at $2 and wait for a pull back.
All JMO, of course
Any opinions on my last post...#4763...like to hear from ya all
Interesting that they won't keep the ASK above the LAST...blatantly slowing the upward momentum for some reason...they ler her go for eod, i imagine
Someone got bamboozled by their own trailing order there, I bet...
AMA, you speak my language...and a long time coming to get that gap filled, if you ask me...shorts are on the phone pushing for the first available buy, and here we are soaking em up...capitalism at its finest. Shorts not out today will see an ambush in the am, no doubt...chasing this one right through that gap, possibly
GLA and fine day!!
Close above .01 leaves the window wide open...gap to .02 or more...the news will circulate overnight and the players will show face tomorrow...I'd love to see PR to give this thing a little extra nudge, but today was a beaut regardless...very positive break of resistance at 6 ish to a monumental 50% increase...Momentum is defying gravity, and MACD is floating on the clouds...big run tomorrow...big run...JMO
Very interesting...MM's trying to walk this up for a gapper tomorrow, IMO...
Fair enough, Rastafarian...my apologies
I believe .01 will bring MASSIVE short covering...will bring on a psychological nightmare for the shorts...
ASK AT .01!!!!!
I understand the line of thought, but it is also feasible to assume that:
a) Raising funds for an acquisition is easier than raising money to pay off debt...the acquisition is "tangible asset growth" to the potential investor. Whether this holds true or not is not always a deterrent to gaining capital...people with venture capital funds often run on greed and/or hope...or rather, speculation, as we like to call it, lol.
b) Those owed may find that the acquisition is the most likely move forward towards those debts being paid at all...
Your doubts are not unsubstantiated...your DD has been revealing, and thanks for it...I am betting on the long coming through...I see AERO as a company that is trying its darnedest to find a salvagable core within its business...They may just find it soon!
Just my thoughts and opinions...GLTA
This chart is in the infancy of a huge turn north, imo...
But this move today..wth...came out of the blue...bound to happen, but momentum is insane! What happens when RSI gets above 70, I wonder...
I really am confused with the large amount of speculation as to why a company such as Jones, with possibly great earnings (no numbers out yet) would sell out to a company leveraged/debt loaded like Aero. I am no seasoned fundamental analyst, but that is the jist of it.
Why is anyone surprised that Jones would sell, take their money, and continue to sit on the board and reap the benefits of the new and possibly improved entity? This seems a golden oppotunity, to say the least, and the only reason that the majority of these start-ups and business models open their doors in the first place...to sell out, cash out, and go have a margarita in Costa Rica...this one pays the player to exit, rolls up the business and real estate into one packaged acquisition, and then asks them back in on the board? Good stuff
Let's just blow right by the inane day to day "waysides" that we all keep bringing up and hashing out (lawsuits, advert contracts, unpaid bills, etc.), and go to the only 2 scenarios that will seal our fates as shareholders in the short term.
Worst case scenario: Aero can't leverage more debt and they don't close the deal...the businesses walk away with no more or less...To preempt a foreseeable argument here, let me nip it in the bud...If you are in long on this stock and concerned about this outcome, you're already gambling, and you've come this far, baby! If you are not in yet, but want to get ahead of the breakout, then start gambling...
Best case scenario: Aero leverages the debt, the deal closes, and everone walks away happy
Sounds like good business to me!
Now, I am definitely speculating here, but I believe that there is enough (venture financing) to be had out there, given the right IB team to track it down, to make this a very big play for all of us here on the board in the very near term. Above and beyond, hold if you will, I'll play it by ear.
Either way, we will know in very short order...GLTA
Just a theory...cryptic messages keep the company up to date with filings and information sharing with the public, while allowing the share buying to remain limited due to popular ignorance...this can be beneficial for a company that may want to keep the common share price down for the conversion. A big run after the conversion would be monumental to MMU gaining some attention and free advertising via broadcasts, news, surprise bulletins, etc. As well, if I were an insider, I would want this time, with all deals closed but in the paperwork process, to stall the PPS and gain some shares for myself and friends. So it's illegal, doesn't mean it doesn't happen, lol.
I believe we can connect to dots at this point...Just a theory
I feel very good about this investment, short term or long...GLTA
This is absolutely not the move that an "investment group" would make, announcing the dump of shares preemptively... "investment groups" do not hang out on blog forums to discuss buys and sells... terribly transparent...next move, deletion of obvious manipulation to naive shareholders, I would hope.
Investment banks merge companies with prospective investors, and hold their hands through the process...this includes, but is not limited to...PPS presentations, marketing, corporate funding, business strategy, and on and on. The job of the IB is to play the part of overseeing the investor's money, and making sure there is follow through with the short and long term vision of both the company and the investors...the contracts can be written in many different ways, but for the most part, these fundings are provided in quantities of $$'s to time frames...then the next round begins...nothing odd about a boutique/small/consolidated/short staffed, IB firm...all that is needed is the right minds to like minds
There is nothing out of the ordinary for a small, already leveraged company (or any company, for that matter) such as AERO to partake of the PIPE option. It is risk free, puts money in the bank, gets around some SEC regs, if I am not mistaken...these are very solid and feasible accounting practices...we are dealing with a high-risk category here, and venture capital is a big part of this game...AERO is a small but innovative venture, one that would interest some niche group of investors, enough to bring some real capital to the table, but this is just a guess...we will soon see
Once again, we should put ourselves in the hot seat...what would you do from behind the desk...forward thinking is of an essence, and I believe further capital is a must to pursue higher goals and maybe alleviate the headaches of last year...Innovative thinking...merger and/or acquisition thinking...the company seems to be reorganizing its attack plan, and this is a good thing...
As to the NASCAR news, purely speculation without any more reliable news to further pursue this topic...The immediate concern for all should be, as always:
"Do I want this business in my portfolio or not?"
I am not advising the buy or sell here, the short or long...Just realize that elementals change in blooming companies, and this one is no exception...I am holding long for a while, because I believe the image being fronted is the image behind closed doors, as well...GLTA
These are suppositions regarding a lost NASCAR poster on the website...as to the lawsuit, companies file lawsuits for many reasons...if TTR owes NASCAR money, then an "in excess of $15,000" statement would be a brilliant and cost effective way to bring the owed money to the table...happens with the best of contracts that someone runs behind schedule...this is not the first time companies have used legal recourse to track down funds, and at the end of the day, it's just business...this is why contracts are written...if the truth of the matter were that AERO hasn't paid their bill, the fastest and most direct statement to AERO headquarters would be the removal of any and all links and ties promoting their products...
as to whether or not NASCAR and AERO are still in business together, I think, and it is just an opinion, that a missing logo from the web site and a missing reference in a PR are not enough to conclude anything...Wait a couple of days...we will more than likely see this thing cleared up.
I will call NASCAR corporate tomorrow and see if I can attain any enlightenment regarding this issue
Also found video links promoting AERO exhaust on the NASCAR website...I feel strong in my position, and will continue to hold for higher ground...GLTA
Comments towards to general discussion...
I found a link to AERO Exhaust on the NASCAR website...Wouldn't NASCAR take those types of links down ASAP? I believe they would...simple to do, as a matter of fact...disable all links forwarded to blank...
New to this type of research, but I don't see anything in the link provided as to the lawsuit having anything to do with licensing or sponsorship issues, or entitlement to logos, so on and so forth...all I can find is a very small snip about NASCAR having a lawsuit against TTR HP, INC.
How many of a variety of very small and non-worrisome issues could this refer to...
Or could be legit and a problem? I don't see that with the information at hand. I would like to see more if someone could help with that, but I am guessing there is no more out there.
Interesting board here to say the least. Should be an exciting couple of weeks leading up to the next release regarding how this transaction can or will take place.
P.s. Companies truly are personal...if we can get to some level of understanding the underlying emotions or driving force of those at the helm, we may be better able to get a pulse on the direction of the company as a whole...These dealings with Jones, the lawsuits, the renovations since spring/summer of 08 regarding name change, stock uplistings, Jones acquisition, the parting from Javelin, are all seemingly burdensome ways to make a few bucks off a penny stock. This is certainly a well enough educated board to realize this. These P.R.'s alone can be costly, to the tune of 4-8 grand apiece, and the SEC filings are unnecessary for the pinks...Just look at all the Caveat Emptors skimming the public without all the leg work...GLTA short and long
I am in with AERP at .0011, and will add to my holdings as I see fit...Good luck to all in the play, and if you are long or short, let it ride if you believe...both sides of the game can be just as rewarding...I like long and will remain that way...I see the PR's as frank and not so suspect...companies do deals for a great variety of reasons...Jones can benefit in a big way by being "acquired" by Aero, if only for real estate location and distributorship, and public arena on the pinks...Aerp needs a boost as they are down and can use the leverage of a better situated company such as Jones, not to mention the real estate and distributorship, as well...I see upsides, and as this merger/acquisition/kinship (semantics, semanics, semantics) comes to fruition, let us keep in mind that at the present time, Aero owes noone, not even the stockholders, anything more than they have given, and that is a best effort...pink sheet companies do not make plays according to the time frame of a few handfuls of turn and burn profit takers like pink traders, and if they did, odds would be against them
Best of luck to all with AERP...the future looks bright!!
Point taken...work, work,work...check in another time...gl all
Hi, all... Looking at this company for a buy and hold, but some quick notes and questions for a seemingly well educated stock board...this stock, with 6,962,000 appoximate company net, with 78,832,000 approx in outstanding shares, is valued at .08 a share...am I right? Just learning some fundamental anal.
So even with a 20x multiplier, this gets us to what, buck 60? Is that good for the long haul? What is to be expected in the short term...The 10k shows shares fluctuate widely intra quarter, never having risen above 2.10, with a fall to .40 in the same quarter. Let's just average that to
.95 pps. Now, I have noticed that the gap between the highs and lows for the year to year is spreading, and the lows are reaching lower, and the highs are reaching higher. Is this a positive sign? I assumed the lows should stop higher.
Let's shoot average at .95 for the time being, an over 10x multiple. From what I understand, this is suitable for a buy, along with the stellar chart progression.
Long winded? LOL, for sure, but hoping for some guidance. I'll go into more tech analysis after some replies, pulling from my limited knowledge and see where we can go with rolls, charting, entry and exits with this particular stock.
Thanks all and good luck
Lol...quit stressing, bass...just wait it out...you don't have to add more shares, and you don't have to lose money...let this slump happen...it's going to come back up...we are riding the stoch on a downtrend...VRGD "acquired" MMU, but this is the politically correct way to say that MMU needed a qualified company to use as a stepping stone...still adds value to VRGD. The worst case scenario? VRGD gets MMU acquired from them...Let it ride, I think you'll be glad you did...JMO...Of course, I'm in with freebies at this point
Didn't say it was tanking...just a retrace here coming...These shorters will scare a few more loose, and then we'll roll again...No gap up until we see some fundamentals...But I've been wrong before...I can be pessimistic at times...this time my pessimism paid out at 3200 dollars, so I like that, lol
I wish I was not so conservative...but I watch my markers and trust...maybe a little jumpy!! Still happy, though, lol
Well hang in there then...Good luck
This thing has exhausted its wave for the time being...Going back to 002 fast...I'll get back in then...10x was good...YEEHAW...GLTA here
Honestly, that was a bit vague...what he said was that they were waiting out the economical turmoil and the holiday seasons in general, to get more bang for their buck rather than se a PR go by the wayside...understandable, but why make promises...the economic condition didn't well up out of nowhere, and the financials could still be released...just seems either shady or irresponsible
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the list goes on...I'm not out, as a matter of fact, I am going to sit on this one for a while, but I am trying to plan my exit strategy, and I question this guy in a big way...I called him today to find out why they haven't fulfilled on their oath to follow through with financials and website upgrades, further News releases as to the legitmacy of the MMU deal, as promised 45 days or so ago...he didn't have anything for me except skirting and dodging...I figure this will run at some point, but I think this may be a legitimate rise and fall and abandon story...
I have been chasing the Stephen Taylor lead for a couple of hours here...he is the ir contact on at least 8 different companies, most of which have tanked and stayed repressed as this one has...I wonder if anyone has some investigatory skills...i see some bad blog press on him, and tons of hype PR's...almost all of his companies have gone through name changes, and several don't exist anymore...the track record raises eyebrows at the least...anyone hip to this, and can guide me as to what it might mean, other than RUN!!!
Wow...I have dug far enough...good luck to the holders and the sellers, the short and the long...this one is not for me
Ok...thanks...And why has Google not been updated if it's fraudulent? I own a company, and we do website and info updates frequently. It takes up to 90 days to see the changes posted on the different search engines. I certainly wouldn't want my company info to be misleading, or to be tied to worthless CEO's/treasurers...Just hunting. You sit back and relax...I got this, with a few others curious and able.
P.S. He and Robert Harris (Treasurer) worked to gether at another company, InCall Systems, Inc. and EduVerse. I'll keep pluggung away...keep in mind that these guys travel in packs, taking their buddies with them. Nothing wrong with that if everything checks out. Just doing some dd and sharing.
I am finding some interesting stuff on Marc Crimeni, CEO and chairman of the Board. Just want to dig a little further on this...any good researchers out there?
BCSC investigates Crimeni : Eduverse.com vice-president is barred from doing investor relations
Business in Vancouver, June 1999
The B.C. Securities Commission is investigating Marc Crimeni, executive vice-president of Eduverse.com Accelerated Learning Systems Inc. (EDUV: OTCBB) for possible breaches of an order that bars him from engaging in investor relations.
In 1997, the commission found Crimeni guilty of misrepresenting himself on an information disclosure form filed with the commission in September 1995 when Crimeni became a director of Vancouver-based Boswell International Technologies Ltd.
Crimeni had claimed on the form that there were no outstanding criminal charges against him, when in fact he had been charged with cultivating and trafficking in marijuana and the storage and possession of illegal weapons, including a .357 Magnum handgun and nunchucks. The drug charges were dropped in November 1995 and in January 1996 Crimeni was placed on six months probation for improperly storing a firearm. He does not have a criminal record.
But in December 1997, in light of the misrepresentation on his disclosure form, the securities commission prohibited Crimeni from being a director of a B.C.-based company and barred him from promoting any company -- including those based in the U.S. -- to potential investors for a two-year period. The order does not expire until December 4, 1999.
In August 1998, Crimeni joined long-time friend Mark Bruk at Eduverse, a startup educational software developer that uses technology licensed from Boswell, where both Crimeni and Bruk had worked.
Bruk is the president and CEO of Eduverse while Crimeni is executive vice-president, responsible for sales and marketing at the new company, which has its marketing and development office and most of its 28 staff in Vancouver. The company has a small corporate office in Nevada.
Crimeni is also a shareholder in Eduverse, which is publicly traded on the U.S. over-the-counter bulletin board, but says he is not a director of the company -- although the Eduverse Web site lists him under its "director's biographies" page and he is named as a director in a company press release dated August 11, 1998.
Despite the commission's order, Crimeni recently told Business in Vancouver that he is engaged in activities that could be seen as promoting the company.
"I write all the press releases [for Eduverse]," said Crimeni, who later added, "I write all the words that come from the company."
When Business in Vancouver contacted the Securities Commission to confirm the conditions of the order against Crimeni, deputy enforcement director Lang Evans said the commission would launch an immediate investigation.
Writing information and press releases intended to influence potential investors would be a breach of the type of order against Crimeni, said Evans.
Although unable to discuss individuals under investigation, Evans stressed that the commission "expects full compliance with its orders and it will enforce them."
When asked again in a second interview if he wrote the company's press releases, Crimeni altered his story. "I helped
draft them along with the president," he said.
"I wasn't aware that I couldn't have any editorial input on press releases," he added.
Crimeni insisted he has never been involved in investor relations at Eduverse but refused any further comment.
The commission will now investigate Crimeni's activities at the company and decide if further action is needed.
If Crimeni is found to have breached the order against him, further prosecution is possible, but administrative sanctions -- including a fine of up to $100,000 or an indefinite ban on positions held within a company -- are more likely, said Steve Plummer, senior investigator at the commission.
I would be happy to be the middle man for the forum if necessary...one person e-mailing is better than 10...but if one doesn't work, then 10 is great...but at the moment I would like to spend some more time with my head to the DD...anyone else want to sign up for correspondence..we can discuss questions we would like to pose and send a consolidated e-mail. Just a thought. If we could get our hands on some numbers, any numbers, and time lines. That would be a great start. I'll check in tomorrow. GLTA