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Weby,
For you. Stuff about Intel and trusted computing.
http://www.slideshare.net/BibhuBiswal/intel-trusted-execution-technology-11887933
Intel Corporation : McAfee Mobile Security Recognized as Best Overall Mobile Security App
04/02/2012 | 08:05am
McAfee Mobile Security Earns Accolades from AV-TEST, Info Security, LAPTOP Magazine and PC Magazine
McAfee today announced that McAfee® Mobile Security was recognized for superior performance and a comprehensive feature set by leading technology publications LAPTOP Magazine and PCMag. Additionally, McAfee Mobile Security was ranked as a top performing product in an industry evaluation from AV-TEST and was recently awarded Info Security's Global Excellence Award.
http://www.4-traders.com/INTEL-CORPORATION-4829/news/Intel-Corporation-McAfee-Mobile-Security-Recognized-as-Best-Overall-Mobile-Security-App-14251902/
Visa and Intel Form Strategic Alliance to Advance Mobile Commerce
Posted by IntelPR on Feb 27, 2012 9:21:52 AM
Multi-device, Multi-year Agreement to Develop Mobile Commerce Solutions for Smartphones and Tablets; Intel Smartphone Reference Device Certified for Use with Visa payWave
Barcelona, Spain, February 27, 2012 — Visa Inc. (NYSE:V) and Intel Corporation today announced a strategic agreement to develop mobile commerce solutions tailored to consumers in developed and developing countries. During a press conference at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, the companies outlined plans to collaborate to ensure consumers enjoy a consistent, streamlined, secure mobile commerce experience across Intel® Atom™-based smartphones and tablets.
http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2012/02/27/visa-and-intel-form-strategic-alliance-to-advance-mobile-commerce
3rd Generation Intel® Core™ Processors Bring Exciting New Experiences and Fun to the PC
World’s First 22nm Quad-Core Processors Bring Up to Twice the Visual Performance for Unmatched Overall PC Experiences
NEWS HIGHLIGHTS
Quad-core processors available starting today in powerful, high-end desktop, laptop, and sleek and beautiful all-in-one designs.
Accelerates Intel’s “Tick-Tock” cadence for first time to simultaneously bring to market the world’s first processors developed on 22nm manufacturing process using innovative 3-D tri-gate transistor technology and a new graphics architecture.
Up to twice the HD media and 3-D graphics performance, as well as significant processor performance, deliver stunning visual experiences from mainstream gaming to HD video editing.
Ultrabook™ devices, all-in-one (AIO) platforms, business PCs and Intelligent systems in retail, healthcare and other industries will benefit from Intel’s newest processors, with formal announcements in the coming months.
Experiences, Secured. Platform, Enhanced.
The 3rd generation Intel Core processor also adds security features, including Intel® Secure Key and Intel® OS Guard to safeguard personal data and identity. Intel Secure Key consists of a digital random number generator that creates truly random numbers to strengthen encryption algorithms. Intel OS Guard helps defend against privilege escalation attacks where a hacker remotely takes over another person's system. These two features join existing platform security features such as Intel® Identity Protection Technology (Intel® IPT) and Intel® Anti-Theft technology (Intel® AT) to help make Intel platforms some of the most secure in the industry. When paired with the Intel® Series 7 Chipset, the new processors with Intel IPT can make a portion of the screen unreadable to spyware with the “protected transaction display” feature, helping prevent a hacker from obtaining login credentials that could lead to identity theft.
http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2012/04/23/3rd-generation-intel-core-processors-bring-exciting-new-experiences-and-fun-to-the-pc
ARM Joint Venture Aims at Mobile Security, Will Rival Intel-McAfee Efforts
ARM Holdings, whose chip designs power almost all smartphones and tablets on the market, is teaming up with two European security companies to create a joint venture to create a common security standard for such mobile devices.
ARM officials announced April 3 that they are teaming up with Gemalto and Giesecke & Devrient to create a standard for everything from smartphones and tablets to games consoles and smart televisions. The goal is to bring security closer to the hardware, making the devices more secure and fueling greater innovation around products and services, according to ARM.
ARM’s partnership with Gemalto and Giesecke & Devrient mirrors what Intel is looking to do through its $7.68 billion acquisition of security software maker McAfee last year. In announcing the McAfee deal, Intel officials said that traditional security software approaches could not adequately address the billions of new network-connected devices—including PCs, mobile devices, TVs, cars, appliances and medical devices—that were coming onto the market. They argued that such devices needed to bring security closer to the hardware to make it more reliable.
Security continues to be a key issue for mobile device users. During the Intel Developer Forum in September 2011, Intel and McAfee introduced DeepSAFE, a hardware-software platform aimed at preventing security and data breaches, block intrusions and stop malicious software from being installed on a device.
With DeepSAFE, the McAfee Endpoint Protection software hooks onto a chip’s security features, providing a deeper security footprint and allowing the software to gain visibility into malware that operates before the operating system, according to Intel. Some of this malware can be difficult to detect.
DeepSAFE was the first indication of how Intel officials plan to incorporate McAfee security capabilities into their processors. In October 2011, McAfee introduced two products based on DeepSAFE: Deep Defender to protect endpoints and Deep Command, an addition to McAfee’s ePolicy Orchestrator platform that gives security administrators secure remote access to devices.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/ARM-Joint-Venture-Aims-at-Mobile-Security-Will-Rival-IntelMcAfee-Efforts-171451/
I have posted perhaps 15 links over on the WAVX board, where I am not banned for the crime of demanding better by the ceo. I cannot take up all the board space with all the other links to Intel white papers and HOW THEY WILL COMPETE WITH WAVX/ARM and any other wavx combinations mentioned.
Again. Weby, you did not answer my question which was WHY do you refuse to acknowledge that their is competition in this market???
Nobody is denying wave's associations to ARM or Samsung. I am only saying that it is abundantly clear on the internet that Intel/McAfee are entering and already into this space, are in Smartphones in INDIA already and continuing to develop their own security even as ARM is working on theirs.
WHY do they have to be IDENTICAL or the SAME?
They will be competing technologies and will garner results.
But for you or Andy to come out and say that there is no competition in the Trusted CLOUD/MOBILE DEVICE/SMARTPHONE/COMPUTING arena is utter nonsense and here is yet another LONG LIST that demonstrates it.
Wavx/ARM has competition and it's name is Intel/McAfee whether we like it or not.
You will surely pull for your horse in the race. I have the same horse BTW.
Do you agree that their is going to be COMPETITION in this market?
THAT is the simple question. That is all I put forth earlier.
Thanks and I hope this time you will take the time to read with an open mind and see what the competition is trying to do and HOW they are going about with their methodology.
Thanks,
micro...
Barge
Why don't you just use something like PGP which has been around a very long and got all the bugs worked out of it.
Come on now guy. I know its a new toy and you like new toys and all......... lol!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's just use pig latin instead. Remember when??????
Just having some fun here with you. Going out for awhile. Will be back later.
micro...
Weby,
Years ago Intel used Wavx.
They don't anymore. If ANYBODY would have read the link I posted and then followed that with looking at what Intel is actually doing with its purchase of McAfee, they would clearly see that Intel wants to build all security into its chips using 2nd generation architecture.
They are and will be a direct competitor for the Security space in MOBILE, desktop, cloud, and smart phones.
That is my point. And since they are a chip company and furnish the vast majority of chips to the computer industry, they are in great position to utilize that.
For someone to make the proclamation that Wavx has no competition is ludicrous beyond belief. That simply is not true on any level.
There appears to be a mentality that exists among many that it can only be wavx serving this area along with ARM.
That is a shame in my view to think that way. Did people really truly think that ONLY WAVX was going to be allowed to be a player in this emerging and growing space?
Is there not more than one way to arrive at the goal of securing all those points? Would the hardware of Intel be good even if it is managed by McAfee instead of Wavx?
Still some ways to go on all accounts but my point is to AWK that just because he proclaims that there is no competition does not make him right, and in fact, the article I linked to demonstrates that fact clearly.
As a VERY LONG wavx shareholder myself, I would enjoy seeing the value of my holdings rise. After all, they have fallen so deep that one can barely see them.... Must have been that great management going on......
Forget MTM and the patents professor. That is one track thinking.
Why don;t you spend some serious time looking at what Intel is trying to accomplish. They are a direct competitor of ARM and a behemoth sized one with huge resources and expertise. I have been reading a lot about them.
I would have thought you as a professor might be one who would open their eyes to the very real liklihood that there is not a WAVE monopoly and that there is also a different approach taken to arrive at the end goal.
I hope you will see what I am saying in the light that yes, there is competition and it will be heating up. As I said when it happened, Intel did not spend all those billions buying McAfee because they thought it would fun. They are combining software security expertise with their chipset architectural capabilities to leverage a market for secure MOBILE, CLOUD, ENDPOINT, NETWORK,and Smartphone computing.
Would it not be easier to simply acknowledge that yes, WAvx does and will have competition in this space?
That is all I am saying. It is there for anyone with open eyes to see.
Thanks for listening,
micro...
The issue is whether it will host an MTM device?
Why is that the issue? Does every other major company in the world have to duplicate somebody else's scheme or architecture in order to accomplish the same end result?
Is there really only one way to get to the goal???? Did you bother to read the link I posted? Intel is ahead of ARM in this game and they think they have a better "mousetrap" than ARM.
After all, they are only just a tiny little little chip making corporation that cannot possibly use its resources and engineering expertise to come up with a competing product and method to secure the endpoints and mobile devices as well as if not better than ARM and WAVX systems, which is cash strapped and bleeding badly.
In most every field I know of and am aware of there is usually more than one company competing in it. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp when it is in black and white in front of us?
Sure, we would LOVE to see WAVX actually become profitable and go up in share value. I know I would. But that does not preclude or exclude competition in this space, and stiff competition.
Let's at least wake up and realize who the competition is.
Keep your friends close and your enemies (competition) even closer.
micro...
ARM security venture stirs competition with Intel
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/arm-security-venture-stirs-competition-with-intel-2012-04-03
By Shara Tibken
--ARM Holdings unveils new security joint venture
--New company will compete with Intel and its McAfee unit
--Intel has a lead over ARM in security, analysts say
Story continues at website.
No Competition? Really?
What have you been reading?
Perhaps HP stopped
selling computers but not to my knowledge. I'll call them and check and see if I can get a TPM equipped and management software from them. Hmmmmmm.
Dreamer, your post was not what Andy said. BUt we'll let it go a t that.
micro...
Does TrustZone
have anyone looking at any alternative solutions to solve the problem of security a different way?
Hate to break it to you Andy,
but you are wrong. That may be the goal, a MONOPOLY, but it is highly unlikely to happen.
So please explain exactly how those broadcom TPM chips and Infineon TPM chips and some of the TPM management software isn;t in competition with wave?
Also, in your narrow view, are there ANY possible alternatives to the way that ARM and WAve are pursuing for endpoint and mobile protection? Or, can there be only one? ( highlander syndrome)
I'll just let you respond NICELY to the simple questions.
Thanks,
micro...
Infineon has sold its division that deals with Cloud and endpoint enforcement to Intel/McAfee.
That TPM of theirs has been around a long time and is a direct competitor with wave systems. They were involved with HP Protect tools among others. Infineon has similar TPM management software to Wave's and it has been like that for several years.
I didn't know if you knew this or not, but just thought I would post it in case you did not.
regards,
micro...
Barge,
based on that announcement, it would appear that wave will be providing some sort of TPM management software for the Samsung TPM that Samsung itself is developing or has developed.
Similar possibly to wave being supplied thru Dell on certain Dell Business computers with SEDS.
What we don't know is if these devices, the TABLETS and SMART Phones, will come with these features already enabled or will they need to be turned on by the owner. Kind of like all those half a billion TPM's out there in the pc's and almost none of them turned on.
I have one on my motherboard in my desktop at home. I just discovered it the other day while I was doing some work in my BIOS.
Anyway, that is an interesting possibility with Samsung. I am assuming that Samsung is going to at least initially roll with the ARM processors and use WAVE to manage the TPM.
Hopefully SKS hasn't spent more on "engineering" services than revenues the company would receive. That would not be a good thing.
Otherwise, it looks promising. We obviously would need more details from Samsung about what exactly it wants from Wave or what wave is providing specifically., Does it relate to management software and is it on a per device basis? At what price versus the "costs".
Definitely worth keeping an eye on.
take care and good work!
micro....
Hi Bdooly and thank you.
Very interesting stuff there. I was concerned that many may not know what a Programmable Logic Controller is or what their applications really are. As an industry person, I am familiar with them and have had several in my plants controlling circuitry and firing sequences in specialized electric resistance welding applications.
They are taken for granted in many places.
Consequently I was trying to make sure that someone who did not know what a PLC even stood for much less know what it is and does and where it is used could get an explanation to clarify things for them.
Good video..
the best,
micro...
Bulldolphin,
As I read the article you posted I wondered in my mind
if everyone here knew exactly what a PLC really is and what they are used for.
Just in case they don't an explanation may be in order.
the best,
micro...
Good evening Barge!
I was just reading a bit of your comments when I stumbled across your well validated substantiation of their being a tpm inside the X-box. I remember well the days of mockery right here no less together. Remember when we were in constant debate with others about WHERE the biggest first movement kaboom was going to take place, on the consumer side versus the old guard and the commercial side? Those were some classics.
Anyway, great job of vindicating the XBOX TPM. That means that has been put to bed and Barge isn't hallucinating about TPM's inside X-Boxes. I am very glad to see you posting with your usual vigor and passion. The Barge of yore has returned with his mighty sword (pen) in hand!
Regarding Samsung, what makes you think there will be a WAVX connection between the smartphone and the tablet? I would be curious to know.
I'll check back tomorrow as I am off to my study for some unfinished business yet and then off to bed.
So good to see you.
the best,
micro...
Waveway,
you claim "most rational minds would agree"?
Aren't you being presumptuous about that?
waveway,
I don't presume anything and I have never said or acted like an expert in software engineering.
I run companies for a living. I design, manufacture, spec out, hire and fire. I sell and market and rub shoulders with other heads of companies.
I know my fields of expertise. I know some things lap over. Some don't.
You MADE THE STATEMENT that LOTS of companies don;t like their software encryption, did you not?
I asked you to start naming them since you implied there were so many.
You have yet to name one.
Stop changing the subject.
And I asked you WHO according to your post that so very many corporations are fed up with software encryption these corporations are since they are so great a number.
Shouldn't be any problem at all should it?
Start the list please....
Can you be more specific please?
A LOT??????
Start naming names. Fortune 1000 would be a good place to start.
Thanks.
No I hadn't but that jives with
the whitepapers I read recently from Intel
about their thinking regarding mobile device security
and the power issues.
Intel is entering this space. I warned years ago thatthe gorillas are not going to allow wave systems to have all this market.
They do not play nicely and they have the resources to equip themselves to be the players. They already have the name recognition.
Just keep an eye on developments there and try to keep an open mind that there is more than one way to skin a cat or security.
Have a great day!
micro...
Thanks Wavedreamer!
I am aware of the self healing aspects of the hypervisor, however, Intel is onto a different approach that icorprates all the security inside the silicon.
Some very interesting articles I have read regarding their new approach.
The object being that should all the security be encapsulated inside the silicon then there is no way for the hypervisor to get infected.
I realize of course that this is new territory for them, but Intel has the money to hire the brightest minds to work on their plan, an all in one system from Intel, which is also why they bought McAfee.
I agree that their approach for the secured architecture of endpoints and networks and clouds will be somewhat different from what has been followed to date, but I think they are re-thinking the entire process and going to use the resources they have to make it happen.
Thisis why Wave's timeline for success is/was so critical and why I am so put out with the ceo and other members of management.
THEY HAD the opportunity to secure the deal. There was no other competition.
But that has all changed now these several years later.
In my mind, I don;t see "competition" as something being identically the same, I.E. TPMs.
The TPM has been shown to not be perfect thing as it too has vulnerabilities.
And again, wave is not the only company who has software to manage a tpm should someone actually turn one on.
I just cannot understand why folks with rational brains cannot grasp the idea that while it would GREAT for wave to succeed, in spite of the mismanagement, their market share is diminsihing due to alternatives that presently are, and more that are being worked on that will provide the security and protection that is needed and required, maybe just from a different approach.
Remember, that the TPM became an IDEA, a concept, to approach secured computing out of nowhere. It is ONE APPROACH and a lot of time has passed since that concept.
Thanks for your courtesy and thoughtfulness. It is refreshing indeed and I appreciate it!
The best,
micro...
titlewave,
Please let me add a couple points.
1. You aren't wrong.
2. Not just any person is qualified to be there.
3. Among other things, the Board member SHOULD have lots of years of business savvy in directing a corporation, knowing how to build and expand while also knowing how NOT to have your expenses exceed your revenues.
4. Preferably someone who has vast knowledge of the SECTOR Wave is playing in with that top executive background in that space.
Those are the attributes I would want.
For example, if I had a need for a board member in my manufacturing business I would not want someone who is not knowledgeable about manufacturing, and in particular the kind and type that we do.
They would not have much to offer.
SO I do agree with you about being lackeys, the two you have in mind, but I also thought it better to lay out some qualifications.
I would not be a good member because I have no experience with this realm of technology. I am a manufacturing person with a broad range of knowledge and expertise but nothing that qualifies me to be able to give sound counsel in this industry.
So we must be circumspect in whom we want for a Board member, but for sure it is not a RAH RAH SIS Boom BAH cheer leader for sure.
IMHO,
micro...
That's fair enough.
However, let me add that that just as WAVX has taken 25 years to finally have a software product that manges what someone else produces, give Intel just a little bit of time to get it right.
They have a habit of buying companies that have that ability.
What year did your company try the endpoint enforcer?
micro...
Tpm
With Intel's recent purchasing habits, could crossdressing be in their future?
Some reading for you.
This is where Intel and Companies are headed. Great article.
http://pcper.com/category/tags/tpm
micro...
Simple waveway,
I read. Go there and look up all their products and white papers like many do for the wave stuff. It really is that simple.
Then, go read as much as you can about Intel and Trusted Execution Environment, their hypervisors, and management software.
Yeah, I was told by one the "experts" they didn't have a hyper-visor until I researched it again and verified they did.
Any other questions just feel free to ask.
Always glad to help!
micro...
At this stage of Wave's storied and checkered history,
I would hope that they actually have a product that will sell hundreds of millions of dollars annually and the expenses are LESS than the revenues.
So far, it hasn't happened, despite all the previous promises from the ceo, which have been well chronicled and many have been banned and thrown out of discussion previously for bringing up what actually happened.
I would also continue to say that WAVX has competition. Despite the claims to the contrary, they do indeed face competition.
Here is one small example:
http://www.mcafee.com/us/solutions/embedded-security/embedded-security.aspx#vt=vtab-Overview
When one combines McAfee side of Intel with Intel embedded devices that McAfee can manage, you have a one stop shopping scenario.
Their E policy Orchestrator is pretty impressive as well for managing across networks.
So while the Trusted Logic acquisition continues to be of some excitement, the long term benefits of it remain at present unsettled.
At a closing of a buck sixty eight yesterday the price is going the wrong direction as all kinds of assorted things are becoming more clear about the leadership, or lack thereof rather, of Wave Systems.
While I still hold many shares, I am not and will not be buying any more.
This company MUST prove itself, and so far it has failed to do that.
All in my opinion only.
micro...
Dig
I like the Army contract.
However, what I don't like is the revenue guestimate. ( million over three years = 3 million per year.
Wave has to furnish all engineering and technical support at a cost of what?????
The reason to be skeptical of the costs is because every quarter revenues go up but the costs go up even more.
This has been an ongoing trend.
Yes, it's good to get your your foot inside the military door with the Army and thank goodness that has finally started to happen.
I am concerned only with the costs associated with that 3 million per year for three years.
Any ideas or thoughts?
TIA,
micro...
Maybe they will utilize McAfee's endpoint enforcer AND cloud manager along with the Trusted Execution Technology provided by owner Intel??????
tkc
NOT to stir up a hornets nest but may I ask a reasonable question please? WHY do you automatically believe that because Dell is selling computers to the VA that the VA is automatically going to utilize Wave software?
Why not McAfee endpoint enforcer for example? Or some other brand?
I mean, yeah, it could happen that the VA MAY choose to use Wavx but they also might not.
Lots of people have Dell computers and if they have FDE hard drives and TPM in them does not mean they are guaranteed to be WAVE ONLY managed networks because there are other options and alternatives.
I personally do not care one way or the other as I am still a stockholder but you are smart enough to recognize what I am saying is the truth. An order out of Dell does not guarantee wave software management.
Thanks,
micro...
Mig
They don;t want to bring anything to the lay person.
They only want commercial/enterprise /government IT departments and NOT consumers.
BTW, I posted a few great Intel videos regarding trust in the cloud, on mobile devices and defense from Malware on the other board.
They are understandable.
I suspect, but cannot prove that the horse trainer may have had a hand in this due to the high quality of it.
regards,
micro..
Dig,
the answer to your two questions is simple.
I don't think it makes any difference.
No, I don't discriminate between because again, the point you and not many here want to ever concede is that there are different ways to leverage the TPM IF someone actually wants to.
Per your own words, IT is a small market.
WHY does it depend on WHO sells the TPM?
Did WAVE manufacture it? Did they find some of those non-existent ones SKS said he had Samsung make?
How is the Intel Trusted Execution product coming along these days?
Do you think anyone will use it?
Just a few answers as I do not want to belabor the point.
What happens mostly is that every time somebody finds an article about TPM's it automatically magically means that WAVE is going to benefit directly from that.
That simply has NOT been the case for years now and now that competition is ever increasing for security in this space, the sales dollar potential decreases with time.
That is the point. Will wave ever make a profit? I hope before my lifetime is up. I am not counting on it.
I actually think that what we know as a TPM will be replaced by something else as tech continues to evolve and I would look toward the silicon chip people to be looking at that, like Intel for example. Just a thought....
micro...
BLUE FIN
I am sorry for your loss.
Likely it read wave's stuff as malware and eradicated it. That would explain why you cannot use it right now.
micro...
Barge,
Does WAVX manufacture TPM's?
Does WAVX monetarily benefit from the sale of a TPM?
WHAT percentage of ALL computers with a TPM are having them actually turned on and used?
What other choices are there to people besides WAVE to manage a TPM for those few who do use them?
Steven Sprague has been beating a drum since at lest 1997 that I can recall. As of yet, I have not seen one financial statement that was in the black. This past one was abysmal to say the least.
It amazes me that the most important aspect of a company to be successful is to make money and for their to be shareholder value.
For fifteen years, let me say that again, FIFTEEN YEARS, there has been GOBS of promises made about breakeven with business we have in hand, and next year is it, and so on.
NOT ONE time has it been accurate or close, and in fact lately a few of these statements issued by the management team have been downright deceiving, like Feeney's for example, with SKS sitting right next to him and who never corrected it either.
What you overlook is that there are multiple ways a TPM can be managed if someone wants to do so without having Dell to put Embassy inside. TOO MANY competitors today. Erosion of market has occurred dramatically because the company did not take advantage of first mover opportunity.
Thanks,
micro...
Dig
You can also use Spybot S&D to keep all the other crapware and spy stuff off your computer.
However,
Let me say this to you regarding "BELOW" the programming level.
the very nature of malware requires it to infect at a software level. A piece of silicon does not function without a software command. Maybe you know of malware that is purely hardware and cannot be detected??????
WHY is it that Trusted Logic made such a big issue about malware in point three of their presentation?
Again, you think believe in the pristine sterile environment, a clean room so to speak.
That's great. If there is malware on your computer you will know it. It isn't there to play nicely. SPYWARE likes to remain anonymous on the other hand. Different animal, but againm there is plenty of security products out there already.
Let me join in the chorus of congratulations on such a grand answer that every person who wants to avoid seeing the obvious is giving a pat on the back for.
Different needs, different levels of products to choose from.
Not to mention, different security products that compete with Wave head to head with BIGGER and MORE RECOGNIZABLE names that actually make profits and have working capital to do things with.
The malwarebytes thing is simply to show that if someone wants malware security, it exists already for free and yes, it is a software based program that scans your system and drives.
Might I also suggest that you do not use just ONE security program to check with. Two good ones would be my suggestion. Works like a charm.
micro....
Hi Barge!
LOL!!!! Thanks for the GIFT!
To answer your question, all I am saying is this is a software security program that happens to accomplish the job of keeping malware off your computer. It exists already.
And it works very well.
I am not saying it is rooted in the BIOS at startup and its keys stored in a TPM vault for safe keeping.
It is a proactive program that keeps the malware from getting on your computer in the first place and is capable of removing any that got there if you had it turned off.
That's all.
I put that sign on a dimmer switch. The light intensity isn;t nearly as bad when it is turned down a little!
the best,
micro...
GM Barge
I read the whitepaper from your link.
It seems pint three is all about the WHY for security on mobile financial transactions and the answer acording the white paper i all about MALWARE.
I use a great product called Malwarebytes. You can even download a free edition of it for your PC and it works well.
I use the full version.
I never have any malware on my computers. Let me repeat, never.
So why do I need Trusted Logic? I already have malware protection
and in addition, I believe MSFT has a great security feature on its system as well.
Just bringing this up as I do not believe it has been discussed.
WHAT if Malwarebytes makes it's software available for the mobile market devices?
Just speculating a little but again, it could easily happen.
Something to ponder.
the best,
micro...
Remote,
Can I prove it?
Well, let's see if you can prove all the potential riches that have been forecasted for the last13 years I have been invested and NEVER have yet occurred.
The burden of proof is on YOU not me.
How many quarters and years in a row and how many millions of dollars need to be burned thru before the shareholders ever see any kind of an animal known as a PROFIT, q over q, year over year, you know, the hockey stick diagram that never happens?
Prove it indeed.
Yes, I can prove your market will not be as big to pool from as before and I described in detail why. It's not up to me to prove it.
Also, I thought it might be too much to ask that the board gung ho wave enthusiasts to actually go and look up ALL the things that Intel and McAfee have been to accomplish. If you think that one tiny article Dig is referring to is it, you are sadly mistaken.
DD is done on not just the company you have put money into but on the potential competitors for the same dollars in YOUR MARKET.
That MARKET, as it gains competitors, shrinks proportionately, unless you just simply are convinced that no other entity is going to choose anything except Wave Systems.
That is a bit presumptuous wouldn't you say?
Believe it or not, you have competition and it grows and gets stronger every passing quarter that SKS has failed to steer this ship to household name recognition among the enterprises.
Sorry, but I am just a realist and I did post a whole series of things on other products I found that will manage the Intel TXT, hypervisors, etc...
You missed the whole point I made in your zealousness to attack someone with not a cheerleading post.
The market availability SHRINKS when the sales dollars are being SPLIT amongst emerging competitors because WAVE management DID NOT take advantage of the opportunity they had, for whatever reasons may be given, but it sure didn't slow them down from building horse barns and stalls at shareholder finances now did it?
Patient I
You said "Meanwhile, the tech environment is changing so fast that if we don't keep up, we may have an obsolete solution(s) before widespread adoption, and loose our decades and fortunes. This R&D, however, now needs to be funded with income from sales. Once again, we are stuck in the mud at the corner of Growing Risk and Delay Of Sales. Fortunately we have a few bucks in the bank, but... "
For a change Alea has eloquently penned my position precisely. For all those who have felt somehow entitled to suggest to lots of investors who do not think like they do "why don't you sell and move on", I refer you to Alea's post as well as the realities of where we are today versus a year or even two or three ago.
My comment for Patient is that you may lose more than the things you listed.
I have been around since 1997, less than some, more than others. I am still a shareholder. The thing which has been trumpeted by many on this very board which seems to have been relegated to the dark deep caverns of memories is " fear of losing first mover advantage".
The first mover advantage today is a moot point. It has come and gone. The delays were caused by God knows what but they happened anyway.
You now have Intel/McAfee bearing down with a TOTAL security system that includes their own hardware and software management. And, they are not done developing yet.
There are OTHERS in the same sales market as we are who are developing ever broader and more encompassing products and again, they are competing for the same sales dollars.
Will Wavx land SOME sales dollars? Yes.
Will the market be as big as talked up here over a decade for Wavx? No.
They have utterly lost first mover advantage and are now basically caught by competitors. I think wave will win SOME contracts and if they win enough they will make profits, just not as much as what was so easily thrown around before for the simple fact that they have lots of competitors now they did not have before.
And the times, they are a-changing. So is the technology and the possible solutions.
So, who has the BEST solutions?
I believe the market will dictate that and I believe the various enterprises and commercial applications as well as the Fed will USE different and various solutions to meet their needs BECAUSE everyone's needs and requirements are different.
It would be nice to imagine that only our product would be used but we know that isn't going to happen. And please do not fall into the trap thinking that while WAVX is spending more money on R&D that NOBODY ELSE IS either simultaneously. And, the competition has deeper pockets and plenty of cash available.
Wavx has competition. Competition generally is a good thing in a capitalist economy. Let's keep our fingers crossed that this management group got the message via proxy that all is not hunk dory in River City. The time for scrutiny is underway and the time for blabber and bluster is over. Time to deliver on promises to the shareholders, the ones who brought these people to the dance, not to horse farms and mansions.
Just a few poignant thoughts to consider before we spend, or should I say subsidize,any more money to the coffers of Wave.
How about some performance on behalf of the shareholders just ONCE? The time is now.
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SAMK
You write: "WAVE survived without a profit so far positioning itself for HUGE profits in a not so distant future. Is not this by itself a great achievement?!"
I understand that is what you are HOPING for, but the only real achievement thus far is 23 years of taking investor's money and the investors getting nothing in return except a confiscation of 2/3 of their owned shares by the management and so far, nothing but empty promises.
How much are those remaining shares that were left to you after the split worth today? I can tell you point blank that mine are worth FARRRRRRR LESSSSSSSS than they were before the split.
Was it considered an achievement that Feeney indicated a profit for this quarter, at least a strong possibility, and then SKS unloaded a bunch of shares before the real truth came out in the CC?
How about all the prior statements that business in hand would put us over the top?
How many years does it take to stop becoming a "development company" and one that isn't? I think we have hid behind that line far too long.
I am delighted wave has enough cash for day to day operations. I hope it continues, but it won't if they continue to lose 2 million a quarter. Eventually you run out of money.........
In summary, there is no great achievement. You WISH for one, you desire one, but in reality, it hasn't happened YET. WHEN all the shareholders SEE the real PROFITABILITY that the company SHOULD HAVE BY NOW had, then we can at long last say there has been an achievement of some sort.
Until then, the criticism of the BOD and the execs is fair. It is difficult to defend lies by them is it not?
Until that time, every one is entitled to accumulate more, hold, sell, whatever they think is best for them.
the best,
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ExPatriot
The wave SED management software is included in most. All they need is to be activated or turned on. Of course this is OLD but it reminds us of the question, why isn't anybody paying attention or their attention being drawn to this fact?
Ahhhhh, there is that pesky marketing and sales thingy again.....
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ExPat,
Excellent analysis. You make a valid argument and point regarding the differences in BUSINESS management versus software engineers and tech developers.
The BUSINESS management SHOULD be focused on the BUSINESS, the hard numbers in dollars and cents and trying to EXPAND the customer base while growing revenues, income, profits and enhancing shareholder value.
That is the part that seems to have escaped the "management" at Lee so far. Like you, it is my biggest concern and has been for a long time now.
Best regards,
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Titlewave,
Good morning.
While you are somewhat correct imo regarding the software encryption, which is just another method of securing the data on the hard drive and is another CHOICE that companies can make, and also competes for the same sales dollar wave does, I would like to remind you that there is more than just that.
DO not allow yourself to ignore the McAfee/Intel combination. McAfee has developed already managing software for the V-Pro security technologies and Intel has stated that they will utilize McAfee's expertise in providing that ability with their ability to have these tools in silicon below the kernel.
It may not be totally done YET, but they are working on it so all I am saying is do not be blind to that very real coming competition and there is no question how deep those pockets are.
I posted a whole series on another board showing the McAfee management software in action with the V-Pro technologies managing computers.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer is a good rule. It also applies to business competitors or soon to be contenders.
Good luck to everybody with their own investments, whether with Wavx or your other ones.
best regards,
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