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without doubt AUN has learned to edit more carefully in the future choices for wording, as such as this from the quoted p. 53 area in your post can very easily be read with grave concern by anyone with life and livelihood dependent on scarce, deep, usable water in an arid environment
By dewatering the Goldfields Shaft and Block 1 test mine in this manner, the water table will be lowered in advance of the decline face
From 11/18/2012
Hey, if we are to be subjected to repetitious, partially meaningful, reruns of optimistic PRs, can we then AT LEAST have them properly represented ?
11/18/2012 is 5 days from now !
I don't see any of the movers behind the LSG change being applicable in the EXS situation.
The Bristol porphyry semi-proven, along with some initially tested projects, on one hand, compared to infrastructure and cap-ex spending nearing completion, with milling, with multiple Ni 43-101 compliant projects, with room for expansion, with production back on track in the 80+k range, on the other.
set around time of announcement . . . 2.24 or 2.25 cad per if not mistaken
Looks like you have already finished Xmas shopping, so you were looking ahead and asking about buying a Wanderport technology based water heater by Dec 25 2013 ? I bet NO. Dave M once said he wants to field test the units before they go into a production run for distribution . . . so that adds what ? Something like half a year in itself ?
IMO extended reliability testing is needed not just for the reason(s) Dave M cited, that being primarily that the last thing wanted is to have to do a recall during product introduction, but also I feel that the only hope to gain decent market share is by showing reliability, low maintenance, and long lifespan. Those all require extensive testing to be believed.
That is a great question. Can the company negotiate favorable manufacturing and distribution terms leaving Wanderport with a decent net margin after paying the accrued debt and paying Robert's royalty (and any others that very possibly might show up).
To gain market share, imo, Wanderport's products will have to distance themselves from the other electric tankless, as they will all show appproximately equal electrical efficiency. Such distancing will require advertising dollars and testing to back up claims about total cost of ownership over life of product imo.
standard for the consumer
so let us practice taking things out of context now . . .
As 1500 watt magnetrons are close to the larger standard for the consumer market . . .
So the MCMHU at "level one", using a quad-chamber, is intended as a single usage point heater, such as a bathroom. Now resumably that means a shower could be comfortably driven.
But if we take 6000 watts of magnetrons we do not end up with a useful shower. As 1500 watt magnetrons are close to the larger standard for the consumer market we can probably safely assume that any extra heating of water in the quad-chamber would have to come from elsewhere . . . like out of thin air.
You are being such a tease We have previously here discussed how the newer heat-pump augmented water heaters are being given such high energy efficiency factors . . .
You are making the assumption then that . . .
You should have made that a question, as then I could feel more polite is saying NO. There is no such assumption involved.
WDRP is not claiming to heat water out of nothing
Depends on what the definiton of is is, I mean of "claim" is.
Wanderport and Design 1st Inc. Agree to a New Mandate
BY PR Newswire
— 8:00 AM ET 06/15/2011
NEW YORK, June 15, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Wanderport Corp. (WDRP) today announced the approval of a new and expanded commitment with Design 1st Inc.
Building upon the successful completion and testing of the single cavity microwave energy tank-less water heater (SCMHU), Wanderport (WDRP) and Design 1st Inc. have agreed to a new mandate for the production of the "point of use" multi cavity microwave energy tank-less water heater (MCMHU).
The MCMHU will be a more powerful SCMHU incorporating an improved heat exchanger and the latest UL® safety recommendations forming the basis of Wanderport (WDRP)'s anticipated commercial product. This "level one" MCMHU will employ four heat exchange chambers and is intended to be used in a residential "single point of use" application such as an individual kitchen or bathroom. The company's intention is to move beyond the lab and into residential beta tests with this unit. Design 1st Inc. has begun working towards the MCMHU and presently do not foresee a lengthy production process.
The more efficient one is obviously the one that accomplishes a given gallon degree change with the least input energy. Given that 6000 watts can produce 4 gallons per minute at 105 degrees only if it starts with water that is already at 92.5 degrees most would likely consider that fairly useless as far as being a water heater goes.
sorry charlie, doesn't hold water.
First you start with assumption of 1000 watt magnetrons, calc the amps, but then move on to discuss with half that wattage. They once indicated the magnetrons are 1500 watt each.
The wattage of the magnetrons sets the upper limit on the amount of heat that can be imparted to water. Those other tankless units have that high of a wattage because that is what is needed to heat to desired temperature a usable volume of water in the time it flows through the heating area.
Period. Fact of nature. Those units can be set to have their exit temperature to a not excessive level (such that mixing with cold is not needed). I just hear you trying to squeeze a whole gallon on lemon juice out of a small handful of lemons - just does not go down that way.
If you go back to the PRs of late 2010 where there is discussion of the optimization of the chamber geometry it is not about making the magnetrons achieve "efficiency requirements" but about having the microwave irradiation efficiently absorbed by the flowing water. Basically they did not want a) microwave energy pattern going outside of the water volume, and b) water volume excessively larger than the irradiation pattern. Also, they wanted to make the inlet and outlet so that there would be sufficient mixing and so that there would not be direct flow through, such that all exiting water will have been equally heated.
There are patents granted (not just applied for) covering multistaged heating of liquids with energy applied from multiple magnetrons.
that may change this coming week (first trading day if not mistaken)
BRD Brigus Q3 earnings release and then conference call
call: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 at noon Atlantic time (11:00 a.m. Eastern time)
1-877-407-8133
I am always a little curious when there is not at least a day to digest the earnings report before the call, guess we will see
better yet it sounded that LSG has worked its way through the lower grade needed to prep blocks of better grade for mining, and has gotten past most of the one-time costs so cost per ton mined will start declining
The discussion during yesterdays conference call by LSG is illuminating where they talk about the issues they have been working to overcome mining at, and the exploration they have been undertaking to the west and south of their Timmins West and its associated deposits which sits just east of TPW. The slide deck and recording is available from their website (linked on home page at right lsgold.com).
Basically they have been working to understand the (layered) vein arrays and to get costs down (grade up, ore dilution reduced) and have needed to go to 7.5 meter spacing on delineation/definition drilling to do so. On the upside they seem to be seeing mineralization continuity toward the south and west . . . working at the 700 meter plus below surface level, but it sounds like finding minable widths is the issue.
It all sound very similar to the challenge EXS has been facing, except EXS does not have the advantage of starting new drills already 4 to 6 hundred meters underground.
by this time next week we hopefully may have some sufficient idea on how to assess the potential
Product? Yes they do
ROFLOL Oh really? Where can I buy one?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/product
Definition of PRODUCT
. . .
2a (1) : something produced; especially : commodity 1 (2) : something (as a service) that is marketed or sold as a commodity
. . .
Examples of PRODUCT
The company's newest product is selling well.
most every company also has a viable product
we may see next week
Only fair to include the disclaimer linked at the ottom of the pages that have been quoted.
http://wanderportcorporation.net/investments/disclaimer/
Disclaimer of all Representations and Warranties:
In regard to any information, product, or service furnished in connection with “specification sheet”, Wanderport Corporation and Robert Simoneau, doing business with associates collectively known as Pulsar Advanced Technologies and/or Wanderport Corporation, disclaims any and all warranties, express or implied, including without limitation any and all implied warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. These specifications are preliminary and are subject to revision and change without notice and as such must not be construed as representation. Wanderport Corporation and Robert Simoneau further disclaims any liability under any circumstance for any loss of profits, investment either in private placement or through broker stock purchases, business interruptions, any loss of business information, or any other pecuniary loss, including any incidental, special, exemplary, punitive, or consequential damages, even if advised of the possibility of such damages.
Important Information About Forward-Looking Statements:
Please be advised that statements made herein, other than historical data, constitute forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those stated or implied by such forward-looking statements. The potential risks and uncertainties include, among others, potential volatility in the company’s stock price, increased competition, customer acceptance of new products and services to be offered by the company, and uncertainty of future revenue and profitability and fluctuations in its quarterly operating efforts. Please be advised that Wanderport Corporation and Robert Simoneau’s product are highly speculative and high risk in nature. Any loss either direct or indirect private placement investment in the company or through broker stock purchases is at the sole discretion of the purchaser. Wanderport Corporation and Robert Simoneau further disclaims any liability under any circumstance for any loss of profits, investment either in private placement or through broker stock purchases, business interruptions, any loss of business information, or any other pecuniary loss, including any incidental, special, exemplary, punitive, or consequential damages from litigation, DTC Chill, SEC any other domestic or foreign authorities actions to limit or halt trading or deposit or sale of Wanderport Corporation shares if advised or not of the possibility of such damages or possibility of such damages.
noticed that also, but couldn't dig out any public news
ended that day up 48+% on, for it, huge volume 1.22million, around 250x avg
something tells me some assays results returned
Wanderport estimates a savings in energy costs in the vicinity of 30% over other electric storage or tank-less water heating solutions and a definite savings compared to the cost of operating a gas tank-less water heater systems.
Specifications Sheet
Features:
Non-ferous water ways
Proprietary thermal energy exchanger
2.5 GHz multi-shotgun array
Anti-scald feature
Micro-controller operated
Factory programmable output temperature
High thermal efficiency (projected in excess of 90%)
Space saving
Continuous and on-demand hot water system
Low operating noise level
GFI monitoring
Faraday cage type housing
No venting requirement
No pressure relief valve requirement
No insulation requirement
Housing Construction:
Metal pre-finished with baked-on enamel
Electrical Requirements:
Dual voltage operation 120 VAC - 240 VAC
Grounded 30 ampere Circuit (nominal)
60 Hz Operation
Energy Efficiency: 99%+
Wiring:
Minimum 2 x #8 AWG Copper (depends on local codes)
Plumbing Requirements:
Cold water inlet 1/2" brass compression fittings
.3 GPM flow minimum
Hot water outlet 1/2" brass compression fittings
Performance: 4 GPM
Dimensions:
Length 26"
Depth 10"
Width 16"
Weight: 20 lbs
Safety:
ETL Listed (US & Canada) - meets all applicable standards, including ANSI/UL 499 (USA) and CSA-E335-1/3E-94 (Canada)
Protection:
microprocessor-based thermostatic temperature control (flow rate and temperature modulating) with thermal hi-limit cut-out switch monitoring each heating
Heating Technology: Microwave
Supply endless streams of clean, hot water to multiple appliances simultaneously
perhaps, or rather, eventually
but as the news of the DoD involvement is going on a month old, and was somewhat expected at least for Ucore
there is probably need for further news of results from these contracts and a deepening involvement
All the same, these have been a long awaited and much needed set of announcements, and now this week, of news services propogation
SilverCrest Pays Out Gold Hedge Facility; Gold and Silver Production Now Completely Unhedged
IMO this is really good news for/from SVL.
It also implies they are seeing higher metals prices ahead.
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=54898397&symbol=TSXV:SVL
Date : 11/07/2012 @ 8:00AM
SilverCrest Mines Inc. (TSX VENTURE:SVL)(NYSE MKT:SVLC)(NYSE Amex:SVLC) (the "Company"), is pleased to announce that it has paid out the remaining balance of the gold hedge facility established with Macquarie Bank Limited in June, 2009 as a condition of finalizing the Project Loan Facility for the construction of the Company's Santa Elena Mine. The Company is now a completely unhedged silver and gold producer. The original hedge facility was comprised of 55,000 ounces of gold sold forward at US$926.50 per ounce and deliveries into the hedge facility were scheduled to continue into 2014. During 2010 and 2011 the Company made scheduled deliveries of 26,000 ounces of gold into the hedge facility from gold production from the Santa Elena mine leaving a balance of 29,000 ounces of gold which the Company has settled in cash for US$ 23,254,800. This reflects an effective settlement price of US$ 1,728 per ounce of gold inclusive of all transaction costs. The payout of the hedge facility was financed with partial proceeds from the Company's recent CAD$34.5 million bought deal, prospectus financing which closed on October 30, 2012.
J. Scott Drever, President stated: "We are pleased to have been able to take advantage of the recent correction in the gold price to eliminate the outstanding gold hedge. The early elimination of the gold hedge will substantially increase our cash flows from operations for 2013 and 2014 which in turn strengthens our balance sheet and increases our flexibility to pursue our corporate objectives for growth."
yes, was good to see MUX move up, against the headwind of metals, election, market.
not sure whether to chalk it to yesterday's release of the grades found drilling at El Gallo, to shorts covering, to the Q3 report, or to the news some funds are flowing out from Argentia, or to some of each, but there certainly has been reason for MUX to tack against the headwinds.
that is close to cut/paste together of things in prior releases
MUX Conference Call now over
Wednesday, November 7, 2012 at 2:00 PM EST
REPLAY: 905-694-9451 / 1-800-408-3053 Pass code: 7308605#
no one does work for a company without revenue without payment up-front
still bugs me we do not know to whom, or more precisely on what terms, all this deferred liability is owed
I for one appreciated the attempt to inject some businesslike behavior and ethics made there in the cc
sure, she would be able to shower for us both with that sort of flow of hot water . . . but bringing it back to 6k watts max heating element, well one can only squeeze so much juice from an orange
yep, I know, and think I also indicated that
the closest Wanderport ever came to stating that was in response to a pounding they were given during the conference call
if you revisit that call there was a question about whatever happened to the phases strategy for development and they rather briefly handwaved it off by saying they had discarded that
in followup they were asked about never having PRed about leaving the phases strategy behind, and if I recall correctly they just sort of ignored that part of the followup
It wasn't really said so at the time. We had been getting the "we are now in stage 3" PRs, and around then there was the announcement of the new patent application for the multicavity, and the work on optimizing its geometery, etc. and also at the time all talk of the single cavity that Belize had seen just stopped, all talk of the phases stopped, etc.
That is where I was coming from in saying the change from single to multi cavity is when they dropped the phase 1,2,3 terminology for the company strategy. I guess I am reading things into the history by using how I understood events, but that is how it added up to me.
And yes, firing magnetrons at the right time is not the issue (i.e. the getting the right time part). The issue is in the "at most" part effecting an upper limit on how much heat can be delivered.
Yes, that is assumed, but unless I am mistaken one does need to run a circuit that is able to handle the largest load that could be put on the unit.
In your example, I would assume it is possible, but consider that even using fast switching, in order to get the water that had the first temp increase over to the next cavity for its second heat bump the water has to be flowing. So that means water flows into the first cavity in order to get the water with the first bump to the second. So, which is going to be powered ? The second cavity in order to give that water its second temp bump ? or the water now in the first cavity that has not yet had a temp bump ? The question scale into more muddled territory when one tracks the water to and through the third and fourth temp bump.
So, for sake of discussion, let us assume that it is possible, that the fast switching can be such that only one magnetron is on a any moment, and each cavity-full of water gets four temp bumps as it moves through the four cavities.
If that is the case, then at most there is in effect 1 magnetron on all the time ("at most", maybe less if each temp bump can be delivered fast enough). So at most 1500 watts is being used, and that nicely fits into a regular 110 plug-in (assuming the energy expense to bump the voltage up to the kilovolt range needed to drive the magnetrons can be ignored).
So, at most, 1500 watts would be used, which also means that, at most, 1500 watts could be absorbing at heat into the water. That gets us back to physics 101 that we went through here ages ago showing the very small volume of water that could get sufficient temperature increase per time, or viewed alternatively the very low temperature increase that could be delivered in a sufficient flow of water. This same physics 101 lesson is what is behind the change from the single cavity to the multicavity.
Seems like a catch-22, with the only way out being having the multiple magnetrons working together to deliver more heat per time into the water, drawing more electricity in doing so.
So, for sake of discussion, seems like we need to see the numbers, as has been said so often here. The temp-rise per rate of water delivery per minute via municipal pressure, and the electric consumption needed to accomplish that. Once that info is on the table we have a chance of derisking this, or at least setting out strategy, speculate on flip gains or also build a core for longer-term investing. At present as I have said, I am betting on the longer-term success or failure of this will rest on two things: total cost of ownership over lifecycle, and niche markets.
The largest tanked water heaters I have seen that are 110 volt are 19.9 gallon, and they use the same single 1500 water heating element that is used in the same company's (GE's) 6 and 10 gallon water heaters.
The difference is in "recovery time", which is how long it takes to get the tank of water back up to set temperature after all the heated water has been removed. So, you ask why, and the short answer seems to be all tied up in how much water needs to be heated how much in how short of a time.
I was only going on the prior PR (long, long ago, when they first announced that they were switching the game-plan from the single cavity - that was supposedly at phase 3 - to the multicavity that they said was going to use 4 magnetrons at 1500 watts each).
commercial and niche market where fit to specified requirement is highest priority, new residential or utility-included rental-blocks retro IF water volume flow of heated water sufficient. Big IF.
if 110 we sell millions if 240 sell thousands
Yep, probably likely so, but . . .
Can one have a 50 amp 110 volt circuit ?
Four 1500 watt magnetrons is 6000 watts, 6000/120 = 50
My bigger question is what sort of water volume per time flow-rate can 4 magnetrons achieve at the typically needed temperature increase.
The numbers purely based on the laws of physics that have been run do not look too hopeful imo, so it is running a 30 amp 220 volt circuit for enough flow to fill a sink for dishes ?
I am not seeing that generation of interest the FB voice seemed to anticipate by drawing this thing out. Today seemed to be more people getting out than in.
Have you tried listening to the conference call ?
It is all discussed there multiple times in a couple variations.
In essence, sometime after Nov 8 you should be contacted with instructions.
At that point your broker should be able to take care of it provided you have the $2.24 per share to spend.
conference call says it all
we will receive info
REPLAY:
Dial-in number(s): 905-694-9451 / 1-800-408-3053
Pass code: 7204869#
I believe your assumption is incorrect. Nov 8 is the record date, according to the release, and I believe on all exchanges the shares are now ex-rights.
I would not be surprised by a 5% drop in MUX on the ex-rights date (tomorrow?).