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Yep. I've had it. Get through the night well. In the way you feel best. Good night.
Gawd! Without implying, suggesting, or accusing, or anything like that, there is an old adage, something
like, when looking for why it's useful to consider who stands to benefit the most from violence like this.
"But the people who were supposed to be guarding that perimeter the shooter was outside of, and were further supposed to make sure they control any high ground or tallish buildings, seem to have fallen down on their job badly. They seem to have been a mixture of people from several different law enforcement agencies."
There is talk here that it's a tragedy, so sad, terrible, yet it's not so surprising because political violence is so common in that country.
Thanks.
Worst day for America for a long time. A good one that Art Candee you are following.
No doubt stupid is the nicest thing you could say about them.
"For God's sake. Are these people STUPID? I think most Dems are well aware that what happened today was
not a good thing for their party and their prospects in the November election. Figuring that out is not rocket science."
And they got the shooter so quickly. Just heard "the shooters down" shortly after the shot.
There will be many questions asked as to why those protecting Trump didn't do a better job.
Trump rally shooter identified as 20-year-old Pennsylvania man
The FBI identified the shooter, who is dead, as Thomas Matthew Crook
of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania. A motive was not clear.
VIDEO - 'We had an assassination attempt': Police give update on Trump shooting
By Ryan J. Reilly, Kelly O'Donnell, Tom Winter and Jonathan Dienst
Law enforcement authorities have identified the man who made an assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump at a rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday.
The FBI said the shooter, who is dead, was identified as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania. A motive was not clear.
The gunman was immediately “neutralized” by the Secret Service, chief of communications Anthony Guglielmi said.
Bethel Park is a predominantly white, relatively well-to-do city in the southern reaches of greater Pittsburgh. The site of the rally, Butler, is about an hour’s drive north of Pittsburgh.
Pennsylvania voter records listed a Thomas Matthew Crooks with the same address and birth date as a registered Republican, though it was not clear from the records when that was put in place.
At a news conference Saturday night, law enforcement said the investigation was close to making a positive identification of the shooter, who did not have identification on him, state police Lt. Col. George Bivens said.
"The shooter has been tentatively identified," he said. "It’s a matter of doing biometric confirmations."
Investigators have also prioritized finding a motive and determining whether the shooter had accomplices, authorities said at the news conference.
Pennsylvania voter records listed a Thomas Matthew Crooks with the same address and birth date as a registered Republican, though it was not clear from the records when that was put in place.
Federal Election Commission donor data also listed a Thomas Crooks of Pennsylvania as having given $15 to ActBlue, a political action committee that backs Democrats, in June 2021.
This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-rally-shooter-identified-rcna161757
Trump allies immediately blame Biden, Democrats for their rhetoric
"And JD Vance"
Supporters argued that Democratic portrayals of Trump as a threat to democracy led to
the violence, though the shooter’s motive was not apparent at the time of their remarks.
By Michael Scherer
July 13, 2024 at 10:11 p.m. EDT
Former president Donald Trump raises his arm with blood on his face after a shooting during
a campaign rally in Butler, Pa., on July 13. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
With links
Top allies of Donald Trump quickly accused President Biden and his supporters of using rhetoric that led to a shooting and potential assassination attempt Saturday at a Trump campaign rally in Butler, Pa., even as Biden condemned the attack and called on the nation to unite against political violence.
Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), a potential Trump running mate, said in a statement on social media that the shooting was “not just some isolated incident.”
“The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs,” Vance wrote. “That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination.”
Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), another Trump ally, shared a similar sentiment. “Let’s be clear: This was an assassination attempt aided and abetted by the radical Left and corporate media incessantly calling Trump a threat to democracy, fascists, or worse,” he wrote on social media.
VIDEO - Post photographer's POV as Trump rushed off stage 0:57
Washington Post photographer Jabin Botsford covered the Trump rally shooting on July 13
in Butler, Pa. Here's what he saw. (Video: Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
At the time of those statements, there was no public reporting on the motives of the shooter. Trump said he was wounded in his ear at the event, and was rushed from the scene. His campaign released a statement saying “he is fine,” while being checked out at a nearby medical facility.
Photos from the Trump rally shooting
Chris LaCivita, a top adviser to Trump’s campaign, posted on social media a sentiment similar to Vance’s, blaming the attack on efforts by Trump’s political enemies to disrupt his candidacy. “[W]ell of course they tried to keep him off the ballot, they tried to put him in jail and now you see this …” LaCivita wrote on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, before later deleting the post.
LaCivita’s message pointed to words Biden had used earlier in the week when he told a group of donors about shifting his campaign to attack Trump’s policy record, including his record on abortion and Project 2025, a policy document drafted by some former Trump advisers. “So, we’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bull’s eye,” Biden had told donors in the private call, which was reported publicly.
[Insert: A common saying in everyday parlance not meaning physical harm,
they unfairly eagerly pounce. And post without thinking of the injustice of it.]
After deleting the X post, LaCivita reiterated in a text message to The Washington Post that he doesn’t think Biden “or anyone else” should use words like that.
“For weeks, leftist activists, Democrat donors and now even the president of the United States have made disgusting remarks,” LaCivita wrote. “It’s high time they be held accountable for it.”
“The best way is through the ballot box,” he added. He later posted a similar message on X.
Trump himself often uses inflammatory language, having taken office in 2021 by describing the state of the nation as “American carnage.” He has since called his political enemies “vermin,” described some undocumented migrants as “animals” and warned of a “bloodbath” if he fails to win in November.
President Biden delivers remarks in Rehoboth Beach, Del., on July 13 after a shooting at a
campaign rally for Donald Trump. (Tom Brenner/Reuters)
Biden announced his 2020 campaign for the presidency by explaining he was motivated by the need to quell the division in the country and prevent the sort of deadly violence that had occurred at a 2017 white nationalist protest in Charlottesville.
“Look, there’s no place for this kind of violence in America. It’s sick. It’s sick. It’s one of the reasons we have to unite this country,” Biden said in remarks at the Rehoboth Beach, Del., police department Saturday. “We cannot be like this.”
The shooting Saturday was universally condemned by political leaders, with former president Barack Obama (D), Vice President Harris (D), Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and many others releasing statements condemning the violence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/13/trump-shooting-blame-biden-democrats/
26m ago / 3:02 PM GMT+10
Possible shooter appeared to wear T-shirt that promoted gun YouTube channel
Ben Goggin
? Brandy Zadrozny
Photos of the body of a possible shooter on a roof near the Trump rally appear to show the person wearing merchandise promoting one of YouTube's most popular channels devoted to firearms.
The photos, verified by NBC News, show a person lying on a roof bleeding from the head, surrounded by law enforcement officers. The bleeding person is wearing a gray T-shirt with an American flag on the sleeve with block lettering that is partly obscured.
The appearance and lettering of the shirt match the appearance of a shirt that is still for sale on the website for the firearms YouTube channel Demolition Ranch.
After the photos and speculation began to circulate online Saturday evening, Demolition Ranch and its founder posted to social media, sharing the photos and writing, "What the hell."
Demolition Ranch has over 11 million subscribers on YouTube, where the channel frequently posts videos about various types of firearms. It is part of a large network of YouTube channels devoted to celebrating and testing out guns.
The YouTube channel did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-biden-rnc-election-live-updates-rcna161404
hap0206, You are a despicable slimebag. Will leave your post virtually saying the Democrats were behind what is being treated as an assassination attempt. You could have suggested a foreign power shooter who shot to miss Trump not caring if they killed another. Based on past and present factual history, probable or not, that would have been much more rational than your..
"The dems/libs have been trying to take him down for nine years -- Jun 2015 -- missed again -- bet this was their last shot (so to speak) at him"
Much more rational. Fuck you.
Yeah, Projection. We see much of it here. And that's fact too.
0:03 / 9:19 'I am your retribution': Trump makes speech at CPAC
Ah, forgot that.
Exactly. It's performance policing and politics.
A terrible day. One dead, two seriously injured.
Biden may find the next 10 days to two weeks even more challenging. As the polling numbers stream in, Democratic elected officials and fundraisers are inclined not to give the president or his team the slightest margin for error or benefit of the doubt.
— Puck (@PuckNews) July 13, 2024
Yes, we'll learn if he did.
'So... there should be plenty of documentary evidence of him endorsing them, right?
But of course there will be none. Musk is a front running weasel and a self-serving, narcissistic, lying sack of shit."
He sure is, of the far-right kind. Just hearing, you guys likely too, an expert say it sounded
like a firecracker. Like a small caliber. Law enforcement surely could have given us that.
21m ago / 2:10 PM GMT+10
"My God. What an ass she is:"
Shooting was an 'assassination attempt on our former president,' FBI says
David K. Li
The FBI formally called today's attack on Trump an assassination attempt and said a motive wasn't immediately apparent.
"This evening we had what we're calling an assassination attempt on our former president, Donald Trump," Kevin Rojek, the FBI special agent in charge of the Pittsburgh field office, told reporters. "We do not currently have an identified motive."
Rojek said authorities weren't immediately ready to identify the shooter. Officials said that he had no identification on him and that investigators are using biometrics to try to confirm his identity.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-biden-rnc-election-live-updates-rcna161404
OOi, As a foreign reader i was denied the updates. VPN access.
Amen. Fair is fair. It's fact. The guy who shot Reagan did it to impress Jody Foster ..
https://people.com/jodie-foster-recalls-man-brought-gun-her-college-play-after-john-hinckley-jr-attempt-8667620 .
The shooter was apparently in camouflage. Fair enough for some delay about motive, et al,
but weeks or months is not adequate. And why not tell the public now what gun was used.
Like they do Biden's. I don't think F6 would have canned forever any we haven't . We had long
private chats about it and we are pretty well doing it as he would have. It's the feeling anyhow.
Lots of questions being asked with zilch. The guy just said it could be weeks or months, just after saying they
didn't know what weapon was used. Surely they would know that by now, why the silence on at least the gun.
One to a Vance ...
Go fuck yourself, you fucking ghoul
— WTFGOP (@DogginTrump) July 14, 2024
Your fascist piece of shit calls for violence all the time
Democrats from everywhere are calling for the violence to stop. You're stoking the fire
KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF
And JD Vance
Today is not just some isolated incident.
— JD Vance (@JDVance) July 14, 2024
The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs.
That rhetoric led directly to President Trump's attempted assassination.
Right.
It's on our ABC -- Also my update place -- Federal investigators have tentatively identified Trump shooter
Kelly O'Donnell, Tom Winter and Jonathan Dienst
Federal investigators have tentatively identified the man who shot at Trump today in Pennsylvania: He is about
20 and is from Pennsylvania, according to five senior U.S. law enforcement officials briefed on the matter.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-biden-rnc-election-live-updates-rcna161404
Ok. Thanks.
LOL You're right. When his patience ran out Mark didn't treat fools lightly. Before that there was always an attempt at civil conversation. Then... haha.
Ok, You know much more than my nothing about that stuff. Thanks for filling me in.
Same as us i'd say. I think his approach to him would be as ours is too.
That's the situation -- "My guess is that by tomorrow, they'll know a great deal about him. But if they suspect
he may have had associates in his crime, they may not make what they know public for a while."
And a concern. No doubt it well be a boost for Trump. Could be a lone gunman.
Then again no one forgets Kennedy and questions of foreign involvement.
Not a foreign national, is a start. Still a possibility it could be someone working fora foreign
government who has been living in the states for a long time. Even an American citizen.
I just hope all the truth about the shooter is clear.
Seeing now a guy saying they were telling the SS about the guy on the roof. For 3-4 minutes. Was telling the police and the SS about the guy they saw with a gun crawling up the roof. He said they likely couldn't have seen the shooter as he was on the other side of the sloped roof.
Would anyone be surprised if it turns out to be a setup. All possibilities should be seen as possible until the truth is known.
Musk endorses Trump after shooting at rally
There could be foreign influence here too. A possibility. No Republican has noted
that. They are all too busy putting it on Biden for telling the truth about Trump.
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" Dark clouds over Milwaukee
Steve Schmidt
[...]What the American people will witness is a spectacle of intolerance, meanness, casual cruelty, religious nuttery and intimations towards violence, More than anything else, they will pick up the breezy confidence of a minority faction that believes the stars have aligned to give their malignant cause political power. Many of them believe god has ordained this moment, and picked Donald Trump as his vessel. They believe that they are winning and hold the high ground. That they are measuring the drapes in the Oval Office should be no secret.
At some level, this Milwaukee gathering has been a decade in the making. Once, it was much harder to tell what precisely it was, and what it wanted to do. There is no such lack of clarity today. Fascists will convene in Milwaukee, and call themselves “Republicans,” but all loyal Americans will recoil at a pack of vandals running with desecration as their North Star and extremism as their constant bearing.
Retribution and revenge are at the center of the worst cause in America since Jim Crow, and before that, the Bund, and before that, the KKK, and before that, the Confederacy, and before that, the know-nothings. The name of that cause is MAGA.
Soon, Trump will pick his next underboss"
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With links
Dave Lawler
4 hours ago
Trump pumps his fist following the incident at his rally. Photo: Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images
Elon Musk endorsed former President Trump minutes after Trump was ushered off stage by Secret Service agents at a rally in Pennsylvania following apparent gunshots.
Why it matters: Musk is one of the richest men on the planet and controls of one of the world's biggest social media platforms. Trump has reportedly considered offering an advisory role to Musk, who has moved sharply to the right of the political spectrum in recent years.
* Musk's tweet endorsing Trump came a day after Bloomberg reported that he had donated to a pro-Trump PAC.
* "I fully endorse President Trump and hope for his rapid recovery," Musk wrote on X, sharing a video of Trump getting to his feet after the incident with a bloodied ear and pumping his fist to the crowd.
* The Trump campaign and the Secret Service have both confirmed that Trump is safe.
The big picture: Musk has said he voted for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden in the three previous presidential cycles.
* COVID restrictions, high taxes and regulations in California also spurred an ideological shift right, and a physical move to Texas, now the home of Tesla's headquarters, Axios Zach Basu reports.
* Musk's disillusionment with the Democratic Party has only accelerated — or at least, it has become more public — since his acquisition of Twitter.
* Even before endorsing Trump, Musk frequently trolled Democrats and engaged with right-wing commentators who view him as a like-minded culture warrior.
* The Tesla CEO's support for Trump comes despite the fact that Trump is openly skeptical of electric vehicles.
The latest: Musk later tweeted that two people had tried to kill him in the past 8 months, adding: "Dangerous times ahead."
Go deeper
Jacob Knutson
Updated Jul 12, 2024 - Technology
EU accuses Elon Musk's X of deceiving users and violating content rules
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/13/donald-trump-shots-fired-rally-elon-musk
It is still being determined if Trump was struck by a bullet or debris, a law enforcement source said. In a post to his Truth Social platform, Trump said he was "shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear."
He went on: "I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin."
Authorities are investigating the shooting as an attempted assassination, law enforcement sources told CBS News. The FBI said in a statement that it is leading the investigation, with assistance from the Secret Service and state and local agencies.
Trump rally shooter killed by Secret Service sniper, officials say
By Faris Tanyos
Updated on: July 13, 2024 / 10:27 PM EDT / CBS News
[...]
The suspect was shot and killed by a member of a Secret Service counter-assault team, two law enforcement sources told CBS News. The gunman was outside of the cordoned-off rally area about 200 to 300 feet from the rally, and was standing on an elevated structure believed to be a shed, the two sources said. The shooter was armed with an AR-style rifle, sources said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-shooter-death-attendee-butler-county-da/
Yet it's a bullet in most everyone's mind. I hope it was debris.
He could have just climbed the structure and the SS people looking out hadn't seen him in time.
He was shot guessing before climbing down so the SS sniper must have been looking close by.
Ok, so possibly, B402, could have been stating a fact there. Would be a welcome change. Thanks.
B404, Sadly, today, not in your country
"No president or candidate can be kept completely safe, none..."
B402, Yours .. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174750129
posted 1.5h ago - these pictures were posted four hours ago ..
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-shooting-20240714-p5jtgl.html
"Not in print yet...duh"
You are pulling stuff out of your ass as that other guy does.
Yes, unfortunately Trump is into violence, even against his political opponents:
[...]"The Mass Psychology of Trumpism
[...][ Insert: Trump Floats the Idea of Executing Joint Chiefs Chairman Milley
The former president is inciting violence against the nation’s top general. America’s response is distracted and numb.
By Brian Klaas
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/trump-milley-execution-incitement-violence/675435/ ]
He now urges police to shoot shoplifters.
[ Trump calls for police to shoot shoplifters as they leave the store
Candy Woodall USA TODAY
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/10/01/trump-police-shoot-shoplifters-california/71021289007/ ]
He has begun characterizing his political adversaries as subhuman “vermin” who must be “rooted out.”"
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174747042
""Just the facts, ma'am"'
Yep. The great divider will now morph into a version that never was. Can only hope enough Americans can see the bigger picture.
B402, Crap. You came to this board insulting people here in virtually every post. Except for a vacation or two you are still here. And you suggest you have tried and failed to have civil discussion here. Read the above again.
"Distract as you will......I can say from personal experience dems can not be spoken with, you can't have a civil conversation with them, they won't even agree to disagree......Its not that folks haven't tried over time.....
P - Trump was damn near a page in history until dems obsession resurrected him from the history books.......And speaking of history, the dems haven't learned from world history......
P - You just can't have a civil discussion with the dems, period...
P - Now rant and rave
Carry on and have a good day (in your case) "
Now read yours again. Your first P - above. Trump had taken over the GOP and you say he was almost a page in history. That of yours is as silly a distortion of the history today as we have ever seen here.
And how could anyone on this board possibly have a good day after the shooting.
i have dealt with your rant as fairly as anyone could.
Exactly. "Also, most would remember his comment when he was given a Purple Heart by a military
veteran that did earn it….. “Trump: ‘I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier’"
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-purple-heart-226565
OMOLIVES, You're kidding, eh. Corporation law has nothing to do with this.
Biden ran on unity in 2020, and still is. It is totally illegitimate to say Biden's telling the truth about
Trump's attacks on democracy as being any reason for the awful shooting in your country today.
Nothing to do with your gun culture either. And you say we don't see the big picture.