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sgolds -
Elmer, that's silly. There is a much better attack you can make than this - ......So they can produce the 2-way and 8-way but not the single?
I think you're confused. All of the systems have a July availability date. The single cpu systems should be the easiest, no?
sgolds -
Elmer, just wait till you see the 4-way & 8-ways!
The 4-way scores are already posted and they are exceptional. It is curious that the availability of even the single CPU systems isn't until July. As always the question remains, can AMD produce this thing? Apparently this question remains unanswered.
Rolled my May $7.5 puts out to July.
Made $0.50.
That's 47% annualized on money I didn't even spend! <G>
wbmw -
It's hard to argue that Xeon has a competitive advantage here. This might change down the road, but it's certainly not the case right now.
I'm not arguing Xeon. I'm talking P4 and in a single CPU system they do have an advantage in speed and they are available now. Opteron is unavailable until July in the systems benchmarked. I expect Intel may have a new release by July and extend the lead. In a 2-way system it's clear Opteron has the lead and will keep it at least through this processor generation.
Keith -
You should be excited by those Opteron Spec Rate scores! That's where Opteron really shows it's stuff. Intel's P4 is not going to catch them in the foreseeable future.
Keith -
Opteron SPEC results up
Yes and so are the new P4 scores which are the fastest and available 3 months earlier.
Deleted - My mistake
SZ -
AMD still has a corporate airplane that Mr. Sanders uses for his personal purposes.
That stands to reason. Jerry used the company for his own personal purposes.
Tenchu -
So you remember the origin of the 'K' in AMD's processors, right?
What is it?
Keith -
Hector was very upfront about these issues, and made it very clear that they´re doing everything possible to make sure AMD returns to profitability - as that is the one most important thing for the company.
I think you mean "tries" to get back to profitability. It may not happen, ever. No more product lines to kill off to divert funds into battling Intel. No more divisions to sell to raise cash. Not even a headquarters building left to sell. Aside from all of Jerry's limos they've hocked off everything and I guess they could layoff just about everybody and post a single profitable quarter but that means no future. Unless Opteron starts contributing soon I see a buyout as the only outcome.
greg -
This is very bad. Their debt rating was reduced to junk on Oct. 7, 2002. Now it is under review for a further downgrade (what? sub-junk?)
The obvious implication is the reaction they will get when they go looking for more funding. But hey! They beat Intel on some important benchmarks!!! Isn't that what really matters?
DJ Intel/Outlook -3: Repurchased 62.6M Shares For $1B In 1Q
Intel's gross margins were 52% in the first quarter and 47% in the second quarter last year.
The company also reiterated that it expects a 51% gross margin for the full year of 2003, plus or minus a few points.
Intel said in the quarterly report that it expects $20 million of losses from equity securities and interest for the second quarter. This is due to an expected net loss on equity securities and associated equity derivatives of about $60 million, primarily as a result of impairment charges on private equity investments, offset by expected net interest income, according to the filing.
Intel expects depreciation expense to be about $1.2 billion for the second quarter of 2003 and $4.8 billion for the full year 2003, lower than our original expectation of $4.9 billion for the year.
The company also said it expects spending on research and development, plus marketing, general and administrative expenses in the second quarter to be between $2 billion and $2.1 billion, flat compared with the first quarter.
Research and development spending is still expected to total $4 billion in 2003, the filing said.
Intel also said in the filing that it bought back 62.6 million shares of common stock for $1 billion in the first quarter. As of March 29, 527 million shares remained available for repurchase under the buyback authorization. Since the program began in 1990 the company has repurchased and retired about 1.8 billion shares at a cost of about $31 billion.
Intel had 6.5 billion shares of common stock outstanding as of April 25.
The company's stock closed Tuesday at $19.54 a share.
More Intel development tool news -
New Intel Software Library Speeds Math-Intensive Applications Across Intel-based Systems; Intel Math Kernel Library Optimized for Systems with Intel Hyper-Threading Technology
SANTA CLARA, Calif., May 7, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) --
Intel Corporation announced today Intel(R) Math Kernel Library 6.0, a software library for developers creating numerically intensive simulation and analysis applications for Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4, Intel(R) Pentium(R) M, Intel(R) Xeon(TM) and Intel(R) Itanium(R) 2 processor-based systems, including systems with Intel Hyper-Threading Technology. The new library will help developers decrease development effort and increase performance of applications across multiple Intel-based systems.
Intel Math Kernel Library 6.0 is a collection of reusable linear algebra, Fast Fourier Transforms and vector math and statistical functions with a common applications programming interface. A library is a set of pre-built programming code that a developer can "call" when writing applications. Intel Math Kernel Library 6.0 enables developers to write code once and get performance benefits across a range of Intel-based systems. The library is designed for math-intensive applications such as financial modeling and geological survey analysis software.
"The Intel Math Kernel Library 6.0 is a key element in Intel's tools portfolio, delivering exceptional performance for engineering, scientific and financial applications," said Jonathan Khazam, general manager of Intel's Software Products Division. "Intel Math Kernel Library 6.0 adds significant new capabilities such as multidimensional Fast Fourier Transforms for signal processing and high-performance random number generator functions for various analysis applications."
"Intel Math Kernel Library 6.0 has replaced much of our proprietary code for Itanium(R)-based systems running Linux* because of the performance benefits it delivers," said Joe Griffin, Nastran* Linux porting specialist, MSC.Software. "The library also reduces the time our developers spend on maintaining existing code and enables them to focus on adding new functionality to our virtual product development applications."
In addition to the Intel Math Kernel Library 6.0, Intel offers a suite of software development products that includes Intel(R) C++ and Intel(R) Fortran compilers, the Intel(R) Thread Checker 1.0, Intel(R) VTune(TM) Performance Analyzers and the Intel(R) Integrated Performance Primitives software library. More information is available at www.intel.com/software/products.
For those who claim Intel's compilers have no commercial value.
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Oracle Speeds up Database Performance With Intel Software Tools; Intel Updates Compilers With Support for New Mobile Technologies
SANTA CLARA, Calif., May 7, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) --
Intel Corporation today announced that Oracle Corporation selected the Intel(R) C++ Compilers for Windows and Linux to optimize Oracle(1) 9i(1) Database Release 2 and future database products running on Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4, Intel(R) Xeon(TM) and Intel(R) Itanium(R) 2 processor-based systems, helping to improve database performance.
Also today, Intel updated its compilers to version 7.1 with support for the Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor, which is part of Intel(R) Centrino(TM) mobile technology.
A compiler translates a high-level programming language, such as C++, into machine language the processor can understand. An efficient compiler is an important part of helping software run at top speeds. Intel's detailed knowledge of its processor architecture allows it to design compilers that deliver improved performance for applications running on Intel-based computing and communication systems.
"Oracle's database versions built using Intel software tools give customers the performance, scalability and reliability for the most demanding enterprise solutions on Intel-based systems," said Jonathan Khazam, general manager, Software Products Division, Intel. "Our work together highlights the commitment to help customers deploy industrial strength Oracle technology on Intel-based servers at a fraction of the cost of proprietary platforms."
"The performance enhancements and cross-architecture support resulted in Oracle's decision to invest in Intel software tools," said Prem Kumar, vice president, Server Technologies Division, Oracle Corp. "By working with Intel, we are able to optimize Oracle database products for Intel processor-based platforms."
The Intel C++ Compilers work seamlessly with development environments such as Microsoft(1) Visual C++(1) .NET(1), Microsoft(1) Visual Studio(1).NET, and widely used Linux and GNU development tools and help improve application performance by using advanced compiler techniques, such as Interprocedural Optimization and Profile-Guided Optimization.
Intel Compilers also help developers produce multi-threaded applications and use Intel's Hyper-Threading Technology, which enables processor execution of two streams of information at the same time. The compilers include an auto-parallelization option that automatically looks for opportunities to create multiple execution threads, as well as enhanced OpenMP(1) support for directive-based parallelization. OpenMP is the industry standard enabling the use of high-level directives that simplify the creation and management of multi-threaded application software.
Version 7.1 of the Intel C++ Compilers for Microsoft(1) Windows(1) and Linux are now available for the suggested list prices of $399 each. Version 7.1 of the Intel FORTRAN Compilers for Windows and Linux are available for the suggested list prices of $499 and $699, respectively. Each package includes a 32-bit and 64-bit compiler to facilitate application development across multiple platforms. The compilers are available today from Intel and resellers worldwide for download and will be available on CDROMs by the end of the month. More information is available at www.intel.com/software/products.
Oracle Speeds up Database Performance With Intel Software Tools; Intel Updates Compilers With Support for New Mobile Technologies
SANTA CLARA, Calif., May 7, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) --
Intel Corporation today announced that Oracle Corporation selected the Intel(R) C++ Compilers for Windows and Linux to optimize Oracle(1) 9i(1) Database Release 2 and future database products running on Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4, Intel(R) Xeon(TM) and Intel(R) Itanium(R) 2 processor-based systems, helping to improve database performance.
Also today, Intel updated its compilers to version 7.1 with support for the Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor, which is part of Intel(R) Centrino(TM) mobile technology.
A compiler translates a high-level programming language, such as C++, into machine language the processor can understand. An efficient compiler is an important part of helping software run at top speeds. Intel's detailed knowledge of its processor architecture allows it to design compilers that deliver improved performance for applications running on Intel-based computing and communication systems.
"Oracle's database versions built using Intel software tools give customers the performance, scalability and reliability for the most demanding enterprise solutions on Intel-based systems," said Jonathan Khazam, general manager, Software Products Division, Intel. "Our work together highlights the commitment to help customers deploy industrial strength Oracle technology on Intel-based servers at a fraction of the cost of proprietary platforms."
"The performance enhancements and cross-architecture support resulted in Oracle's decision to invest in Intel software tools," said Prem Kumar, vice president, Server Technologies Division, Oracle Corp. "By working with Intel, we are able to optimize Oracle database products for Intel processor-based platforms."
The Intel C++ Compilers work seamlessly with development environments such as Microsoft(1) Visual C++(1) .NET(1), Microsoft(1) Visual Studio(1).NET, and widely used Linux and GNU development tools and help improve application performance by using advanced compiler techniques, such as Interprocedural Optimization and Profile-Guided Optimization.
Intel Compilers also help developers produce multi-threaded applications and use Intel's Hyper-Threading Technology, which enables processor execution of two streams of information at the same time. The compilers include an auto-parallelization option that automatically looks for opportunities to create multiple execution threads, as well as enhanced OpenMP(1) support for directive-based parallelization. OpenMP is the industry standard enabling the use of high-level directives that simplify the creation and management of multi-threaded application software.
Version 7.1 of the Intel C++ Compilers for Microsoft(1) Windows(1) and Linux are now available for the suggested list prices of $399 each. Version 7.1 of the Intel FORTRAN Compilers for Windows and Linux are available for the suggested list prices of $499 and $699, respectively. Each package includes a 32-bit and 64-bit compiler to facilitate application development across multiple platforms. The compilers are available today from Intel and resellers worldwide for download and will be available on CDROMs by the end of the month. More information is available at www.intel.com/software/products.
YB -
I have a tendency to exaggerate things.
We know. It's part of your charm...
Moderators -
So far you've done a fine job here and to my knowledge you haven't overdone the moderator thing. That is to your credit, however I would hate to see you start judging what adds value and what doesn't. That's a perfect recipe for abuse. As long as the subject is AMD, it's technology, finances, business practices, marketing etc then it is on topic and we have the wherewithall to decide what to read and what to skip. Please don't start getting judiciously active and create new rules out of thin air. If it's on topic and contains no profanity or abusive language then don't get involved.
That's my opinion.
YB -
Elmer, there is no facts yet,
Gee... what a surprise...
The posted TPC score of 700,000 is only the estimate
It is not an estimate, it is a wild guess.
YB -
P4's, Opterons, Itaniums... all crap. IBM is ready with new 1.7 Ghz power4, which is trashing all of above. 32-way IBM p690 will be faster than 64-way next-gen Madison based Superdome.
Please post benchmarks to support this statement.
No rumors please...
Tenchu -
what about Infineon?
They're losing a ton of money too.
Don't know anything about their process.
Ten -
Someone might buy AMD for Opteron alone. Flash will be gravy. The only companies I can see being interested are IBM and Moto because of the SOI process. There again, bankruptcy might be a good option if they can write off all their debt and restructure.
Chipguy -
AMD has reported SPEC scores for Opteron, which although quite good, are close to existing Intel products that have been in the market since last year and will soon be surplanted by faster devices.
Curiously AMD's scores are not yet official as they haven't appeared on SPEC's website. Perhaps they will soon?
Haddock -
And as you say, PAE doesn't cut it. Ask any programmer what he'd rather code for and he will say 64 bit flat memory model. Since machines with 64 bit flat memory model are now available for no premium it's a no-brainer what to use for new projects.
Programmers have to work for a living. They have to code for the biggest market.
TWY -
well that guy turned out to be Paul Engel using one of his at least half dozen aliases.
How do you know this?
Can we drop this QS argument now please???
YB -
Apparently the only metric, which affects the cpu pricing is Ghz. And price reflects what Intel really thinks about Ghz.
It's not what Intel things, it's what the customer thinks about GHz.
CS -
The October $10.00 calls for AMD are very pricy and you would have to believe in the tooth fairy to make that ivestment! At a selling price of $0.60 you will lose your investment quickly.
I think he was suggesting selling CCs. I don't think it's such a bad bet. I guess it depends on your expectations doesn't it? Why do you think it's bad?
Spokeshave -
The only thing I ask is that you have one standard and one only that applies across the board. Too many times we've seen one view given preference over another view. I'm not being critical of you, in fact you've been quite restrained. Just leary from watching other "moderated" boards where AMD fans could get away with murder and a much stricter standard imposed on anyone who held a different view. Knowing you are fairminded, I'm sure we won't see the moderators degenerate along with any would be posters.
EP
wbmw -
Or should I say, TheWatsonYouth.
Excellent call! That's who I had him pegged for too.
Tenchu -
why not tell me what has come out of AMD's so-called "True Performance Initiative"?
OJ's going to do that right after he finds out who killed Nicole.
wbmw -
That's what I meant. I know they wouldn't kill it outright but I expect they'd stop dumping a lot of $$$ into R&D and it would die a slow death.
wbmw -
That's what I meant. I know they wouldn't kill it outright but I expect they'd stop dumping a lot of $$$ into R&D and it would die a slow death.
wbmw -
Who will take over Sun?
So do you think that whoever aquired SUN would stop development on SPARC?
wbmw - How's this for uptime?
Public Safety Authorities Report Record-Setting Uptime System Performance with Mission-Critical Stratus Servers
Monday May 5, 8:31 am ET
ftServer Systems Surpass 'Five-Nines' Reliability in CAD Applications
MAYNARD, Mass., May 5 /PRNewswire/ -- Stratus Technologies, Inc. announced today the results of a customer service survey of its installed base of Stratus® ftServer® systems within the U.S. and U.K. Public Safety market during the past six months. With more than 43 years of cumulative continuous runtime logged on fielded ftServer systems, only three instances of unplanned downtime totaling 163 minutes have been reported. This represents system availability of better than five-nines (99.9993 percent), or fewer than four minutes per server, per year on average. Included in the survey base were several large U.S. cities, small counties, and many state police agencies.
With protection of life and property as its sole purpose, computer-aided dispatch (CAD) operations in city, state and municipal governments clearly falls into the category of mission-critical computing. The outage of a CAD application or associated emergency-response function, such as Emergency 9-1- 1, logistics and records management, can result in tragic consequences.
"The reliability of our 911 computer-aided dispatch system supports our ability to effectively save lives," said Deputy Chief Tracy Jarman, San Diego Fire & Life Safety Services. "The fault tolerance provided by the Stratus ftServer system running Windows 2000 Advanced Server provides the near-100 percent reliability and availability we need for a system where seconds can be of critical importance."
Allied with Industry Leaders
More than 50 Public Safety agencies throughout the U.S. and United Kingdom have deployed Stratus ftServer systems for their CAD operations. Stratus has developed a comprehensive Public Safety Partner Program with leading software providers to deliver complete turnkey solutions. Among the many Public Safety software vendors already partnering with Stratus are TriTech Systems, Tiburon, OSSI, Level II, and InterAct Public Safety Systems.
Heightened concern over public safety and readiness of emergency services, coupled with the advent of superior uptime from a low-cost server, created a market highly receptive to the industry's first Intel® processor-based, fault-tolerant system for Microsoft® Windows® 2000 Advanced Server computing. Applications for Public Safety have proven to be one of the strongest for the Stratus ftServer family, which first came to market in 2001.
The Stratus ftServer family is the computer industry's only line of 1- to 4-way SMP fault-tolerant Intel servers for Windows environments. These continuously available servers are simple to deploy, operate and maintain, and their affordability places the industry's highest levels of availability within reach of virtually any Public Safety IT budget.
Stratus is the only server maker to disclose actual recorded "availability" levels for its products based on reported service incidents from the installed base. The ftServer Uptime Meter(SM) is updated daily and can be viewed on Stratus' Website at www.stratus.com/uptime/ftserver.htm. The data is based on operating experience of both the hardware and Windows 2000 operating system over the most recent six months.
CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY COSMOS PROJECT LED BY PROFESSOR STEPHEN HAWKING CHOOSES SGI ALTIX 3000 SUPERCLUSTER
New System Allows Extension of Cosmology Grid; Consortium Members Collaborate Using Visual Area Networking Technology
Dubai, UAE May 5, 2003 - SGI has today announced a contract to provide an SGI® Altix™ 3000 supercluster to the U.K. COSMOS consortium led by Professor Stephen Hawking of the University of Cambridge as part of a long-term agreement between the two organisations. The latest addition to the consortium’s SGI® infrastructure, based on the Intel® Itanium® 2 processor, will form the next phase of a British computational and visualisation grid installed by SGI to support the COSMOS project. This initiative enables experts to collaborate on research to model the history of the universe from the first fractions of a second after the Big Bang to the present day, about 14 billion years later.
The Altix 3000 system, powered by128 Itanium 2 processors, will form the core of the U.K. cosmology grid (CosmoGrid), supporting collaboration between consortium members through the continuation of integrated high-performance computing (HPC) and complex data management, as well as remote collaborative visualisation using SGI Visual Area Networking technologies. Members of the COSMOS consortium include the Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics, Institute of Astronomy, and Cavendish Laboratory at Cambridge University, as well as Imperial College London, the University of Portsmouth and the University of Sussex.
This 64-bit system, featuring Intel Itanium 2 processors running the Linux® operating system, supports SGI’s close working relationship with Intel, which has also provided two small servers to the consortium to support development work. The decision to purchase the Altix 3000 supercluster was based on the combination of highly scalable Itanium 2 performance, cache-coherent
global shared memory, integrated visualisation and hierarchical storage. The system allows for fast development time scales and high productivity using shared memory programming with OpenMPÔ, while also producing excellent benchmark results for distributed-memory programming codes based on MPI.
The contract is part of the long-term collaboration between Professor Hawking’s COSMOS consortium and SGI; the two entities have worked together since 1997. The original COSMOS platform was a 32-processor SGI® Origin® 2000 server, later upgraded to a 64-processor SGI® Onyx® family server, including the CXFSÔ storage system. The Altix 128-processor system is a further indication of SGI’s long-term commitment to the COSMOS project.
Professor Stephen Hawking, principal investigator of the COSMOS consortium, commented: “The new COSMOS computer¾an SGI Altix 3000¾will enable us to keep up with the dramatic data about our universe which is now coming in. We are pleased that our collaboration with both SGI and Intel will ensure that U.K. scientists remain at the leading edge of cosmological research.”
Paul Shellard, Ph.D., director of the COSMOS supercomputer, added, “The SGI Altix 3000 system with Itanium 2 chips makes available an entirely new threshold in scalable shared-memory performance for the U.K. COSMOS consortium. The rapid time to solution possible using OpenMP shared-memory programming offers a key competitive advantage in this fast advancing field driven by new satellite observations and other experiments. Together with integrated shared filesystems and remote visualisation, the state-of-the-art Altix supercluster will give us the ability to test our mathematical models of the universe seamlessly against the huge data sets being produced by cosmological observations.”
Professor Roy Maartens, head of the cosmology group at the University of Portsmouth, noted,
“With the new Altix system, cosmologists will have extra computing power to extract ever more accurate information from the data about the size and shape and ingredients of the universe.”
“Scientific research is constantly at the forefront of technology, pushing the boundaries of high-performance computing and demanding higher processing power with greater scalability,” said John Woodget, Intel marketing director, EMEA. “The Itanium Processor Family delivers new levels of performance to support this kind of complex, data-intensive operation, in both academic and enterprise environments. By combining the high-throughput functionality of the Itanium 2 architecture with SGI hardware, the COSMOS team has dramatically upgraded the capability of its computer infrastructure. Intel’s own commitment to development ensures that the Itanium processor family will continue to support the needs of projects such as COSMOS well into the future.”
SGI’s Altix 3000 systems, launched in January of this year, combine SGI supercomputing architecture with Intel Itanium 2 processors and the Linux operating system, and since its launch it has shattered scalability and performance records. The new installation at Cambridge University also includes additional graphics equipment and an upgrade to a CXFS storage system featuring 2GB storage area network and 6TB SGI® TP9400.
Steve Coggins, senior VP, EMEA at SGI, commented, “With the help of SGI Managed Services, the COSMOS project is able to exploit the full potential of the combination of visualisation, high-performance computing and data management. We value the continued challenge of meeting the needs of a world-class organisation that is pushing the limits of computational science.”
For further details about SGI’s involvement with universities and research labs around the world, visit www.sgi.com/go/research.
Ok AMD, you've posted your benchmarks, where are your systems?
http://news.com.com/2100-1010_3-999623.html
Unisys targets IBM on server price
By Stephen Shankland
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
May 4, 2003, 7:35 PM PT
Unisys is taking the pricing offensive against IBM in the market for powerful servers based on Intel processors.
The Blue Bell, Pa.-based company posted results of a new server speed test on Friday that the company says is evidence its new ES7000/540, released in April, is a better deal than IBM's x440. The move is a reversal of fortune for Unisys, whose high-end servers had been pressured when IBM's competing models arrived in 2002.
Unisys' server, with 16 2.0GHz Xeon MP processors, posted a score of 181,000 transactions per minute on the Transaction Processing Performance Council's widely watched TPC-C test. That score is a notch ahead of the 151,000 score IBM posted in March with a system that had the same number of processors running at the same clock rate.
In addition, Unisys' system cost $1.1 million compared with IBM's $1.7 million.
The move is the latest shift in an expanding and fast-changing market. Servers based on Intel processors were a market worth $16.4 billion in 2002, according to research firm Gartner. The analyst firm expects spending on Intel servers to exceed Unix servers in 2003 for the first time.
Unisys is a close partner of Microsoft. The two companies together have launched an attack on the high-end server market currently dominated by machines running various versions of Unix.
However, with the arrival of Microsoft Windows Server 2003 and Intel's 64-bit Itanium processor, designed for heavier-duty computers than the 32-bit Xeon, more companies are getting into market Unisys had largely to itself. IBM is planning a 16-processor Itanium server, NEC a 32-processor model, and Hewlett-Packard a 64-processor system.
Unisys targets IBM on server price
By Stephen Shankland
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
May 4, 2003, 7:35 PM PT
Unisys is taking the pricing offensive against IBM in the market for powerful servers based on Intel processors.
The Blue Bell, Pa.-based company posted results of a new server speed test on Friday that the company says is evidence its new ES7000/540, released in April, is a better deal than IBM's x440. The move is a reversal of fortune for Unisys, whose high-end servers had been pressured when IBM's competing models arrived in 2002.
Unisys' server, with 16 2.0GHz Xeon MP processors, posted a score of 181,000 transactions per minute on the Transaction Processing Performance Council's widely watched TPC-C test. That score is a notch ahead of the 151,000 score IBM posted in March with a system that had the same number of processors running at the same clock rate.
In addition, Unisys' system cost $1.1 million compared with IBM's $1.7 million.
The move is the latest shift in an expanding and fast-changing market. Servers based on Intel processors were a market worth $16.4 billion in 2002, according to research firm Gartner. The analyst firm expects spending on Intel servers to exceed Unix servers in 2003 for the first time.
Unisys is a close partner of Microsoft. The two companies together have launched an attack on the high-end server market currently dominated by machines running various versions of Unix.
However, with the arrival of Microsoft Windows Server 2003 and Intel's 64-bit Itanium processor, designed for heavier-duty computers than the 32-bit Xeon, more companies are getting into market Unisys had largely to itself. IBM is planning a 16-processor Itanium server, NEC a 32-processor model, and Hewlett-Packard a 64-processor system.
Haddock -
I don't see it as a witch hunt to point out that you, Tench and Elmer are current or previous Intel employees
Where are you getting this? I have never claimed to be an Intel employee, past or present. I have said that I perform work for Intel and I am under nondisclosure but I have never identified my employer.
EP
Chipguy
but at least MHz has a physical objective basis in reality while QHz is a completely arbitrary and fictionalized value.
No QHz isn't arbitrary or fictionalized. It is carefully selected as the MHz number they want the customer to mistake it for. Be it smart or dumb, the customer is shopping for MHz and AMD is counting on him thinking that's what QHz means. This is essential. Without arguing if the customer is getting a good deal or not, it is clear that the intention is to deceive.
Tenchu
why refer to a number that looks a lot like clock speed just to prove that clock speed is irrelevant?
Only one possible answer: because the entire plan relies on the QH number being mistaken for clockspeed. If it doesn't resemble a believable competitors number then there won't be any confusion and the deception won't work. Deceit is the major feature of the plan.