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Doma: And your tune changes?
Rooster: Louis Freeh was also the same guy who tried to muscle software mftrs into planting a back door into all security products, so that if the national interest were at stake, the FBI could get in. (Wave may have caved to this demand--the official comment was no comment, which says a lot).
The simple answer to this incredible bad idea is that security software/hardware would simply move elsewhere and there would be no worldwide market for American security. How many of us would want anyone, least of all the FBI to have keys to our secrets? Not I.
Sept. 11 also happened on Freeh's watch, as did the bungled Lab reform, the Wen Ho Lee debacle, the Richard Jewell tragi-comic investigation, and many others too numerous to cite here.
IMO, anything Freeh says is not worth wrapping dead fish in.
When the bureau cleans up the corruption inside and punishes those responsible, instead of promoting them, then they might have credibility.
The new guy, Mueller, is better, but he's shovelling sand against the tide. The Bureau is in need of a top-down overhaul, and some serious oversight, IMO. Right now they are just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titantic.
Blue
Snackman, yes, exactly. That's what I find most puzzling now--the lack of interest. Why is there a lack of demand for our product, or by proxy, our stock? While I agree with you that revenues are what will drives price up substantially, it also seems to me, that some kind of rise in volume (increased demand) would preceed, thus signalling we were gaining traction.
Maybe this is a flawed argument when it is dropped into a developing market of a brand new product--but it seems by now we should have some spec buyers coming aboard. Everyone loves a winner, especially a winner that will make them money.
Anyway, I guess I have beaten this poor dead horse enough. Let's revisit the issue a little later. Thank you for your patience.
Blue
Pack: I agree with all. I guess my comment had more to do with the volume than the price. It seems like we are back to the low volume days we had when our stock was languishing under a dollar (just before the Intel announcement).
It just seems like logic would dictate some sort of interest would show up in the volume at least by those who had purchased, or used the Wave technology.
Revenues, good or bad, will surely affect the share price--but volume I believe it can be argued is a reasonable way to measure interest in a product/technology/potential. Maybe I'm making more of it than it warrants--but I hoped the early users would say, "Hot Damn! This is what we have all been waiting for."
But thanks for the thoughtful reply--Blue
But Snackman: Haven't we had major news? It is not as if we announced our product was shipping and it is not. As far as I know, it is shipping.
I agree with the revenue part for major moves to the upside, but shouldn't we be getting some tickles of interest by now?
I know I am impatient, but we have been waiting quite a while and we have certainly been promised quite a bit. I hate seeing this seemingly non-interest stuff once we are finally competing in the marketplace. I'm certainly not giving up, nor suggesting there is anything wrong in a major sort of way--just curious why we are not getting more bites, even spec buys, just on the potential of a revolutionary product.
Best wishes, Blue
Matt: For the past several days I have experienced unusual things happening on the WAVX board. When I read a message and track it back to the original message and the subsequent responses--and then try to get back to where I was, my screen goes blank after about 3 hits on the back button.
This morning I hit the back button after only one reading of a post and it went blank.
Simultaneously, I notice some of the text above the actual message board seems to be gibberish--random letters and question marks, exclamation points, stars, ampersands, etc. Has anyone else mentioned this? Is it possible I have a virus, or is my cookie info possibly corrupted?
Thank you--Bluefang
Bluefang: Answers wanted, no attack dogs need reply
OK, yes it is still early in our deployment game and yes, I am a little impatient. But after all our waiting for us to come to market, one would like to see some stirrings of interest.
After 2 and a half hours of trading in an up market, volume is under 200K and price is dead even.
Maybe this means nothing. But I do not see this as a good sign in the early warning department.
I look at all the good things that have happened, i.e., long relationships with gorillas that seem to be bearing fruit, products which seem to answer many needs much in demand, a flexible, viable product shipping to clients--OK, what is going on here?
Is it still too early to gauge some reaction in the market place?
If we still see the same signs in two to six months, will we still be saying it is too early to tell? At some point, don't we have to ask ourselves, if we are not gaining traction, what is the reason?
I am not insinuating anything. This is not some veiled attack. This is a request for guidance from the calm, intelligent, rational people we rely on here. At what point do we start to see some reaction to our product in the marketplace?
I know, personally speaking, if I bought a new product and it seemed terrific, I would seek out the company making the product and invest in it. That does not seem to be happening here. Is it just too early or is it a sign that something else is going on? Please advise.
Bluefang, The Impatient
Snackie: Guilty as charged, sir. (Occasionally). One big different between Howie and myself, though. He rarely, if ever, gives Wave any credit for anything. He is almost unrelentingly negative.
I have certainly criticized, but on the other hand I remain hopeful, recognize the recent successes, deployment, and I tightly clutch my 5K shares.
Best wishes--Blue
Awk: I am not a techie. I may not have stated my case well, but don't think it was gibberish either, but you could be right.
Wave looked as if it were going to quietly go under (prior to the Intel move). There were no warnings or hints they would make this breakout move. It looked as if they were going to run out of cash and the mood here and elsewhere was about as bleak as I have ever seen it. Except for the hardcore, die hards, I think it fair to say, most have just about given up.
Then suddenly, out of the darkness--an electrifying flash.
How could this be the same company that climbed in bed with that PCFree nut case? This is what I meant by baffling and perplexing.
Without going into my tired littany of Founders Shares, etc. there were some of the moves I thought bad.
Anyway, you get the picture. Hope this Rosetta Stone helps you decipher some of my gibberish.
Bluefang
Eamonn: You are trying to prove a point that is simply not there. I have noted the share price and am watching it more closely than before, simply because we are out in the marketplace and I want to read reaction.
How many posts on share price and volume were there when we were surging up to over $5? I did not hear you complain then.
My only point is (again let me say I know it is way early in the game) that volume and share price are down in a generally up market. What does that mean? I do not know. It seems like it is not a good thing, but others have stated the case very well that we simply can not tell at this point. I agree.
Why don't we both take some time to see if the market, given enough time to absorb Wave--will either validate it, yawn, or accept it. And in the meantime, we can lay off each other, since believe it or not, we are on the same side.
Re: risk-sleep--I have 5K shares and if they became worthless overnight, I would simply shrug and be sad for a short while, nothing more.
Bluefang
Snackman: Cheerleading is as good a word as any. There's nothing wrong with positive thinking, I'm all for it. But if we insist on positive thoughts, to the exclusion of good questions that may raise some negative issues, we are depriving ourselves of good information.
Bashing and trashing are completely different and I agree it ought to be banned and I speak as one who has done some of it.
But do we have to insist the conversation be positive, that all posters must present a positive face? Remember the very recent dark days when there were some excellent questions about Wave's finances, whether we would survive, whether our need for money would cause us to dilute to the detriment of loyal Wavoids?
IMO, that was when we were at our best. All issues were discussed in a civil fashion.
As much as we love you, we don't need you to ride herd on how we must phrase things, excepting the aforementioned bashing, trashing, disrespecting, attacking behavior.
You have been quite tolerant of me and that is greatly appreciated. Perhaps that is because you know in my heart, I am as big a Wavoid as anyone. I just want to see us gain the place in the world the idea of Wave deserves. But that said, it does not mean, I have to dismantle my critical thinking, my contrarian ways and only post happy thoughts.
Most of my concerns, even some of the ridiculous ones, have been ably met, answered, shot down by some of the wonderful minds on this board. To me, that is when we are at our best.
Anyway, thanks for listening and for tolerating me.
Your Pal--Bluefang
Eamonn: When and where have I "decided" it was "all bad?"
I certainly jumped the gun when I mistakenly thought the Wave-Intel board had shipped three weeks earlier than it actually had and then complained that the world was yawning in our face. I freely admit my stupid mistake.
I was not looking to trash Wave, only to get an early reading on whether we were turning heads in the security sector.
Please read my whole post carefully.
I agree we do need to wait before we can draw any conclusions.
And contrary to popular sentiment, I will be one very happy cowboy if this thing takes off.
Bluefang
Snackman, and all others who participated in the anchor post:
It is a masterpiece. There are sure to be revisions needed, but what I like most about it, is there is a clear, concise, non-technical explanation about what it is, Wave does. Those with the interest or technological background to explore further, have the links to do so.
Wonderful job. Thanks to all who participated from a Wave long.
Bluefang
Eamonn: Who is dj and what is a p & M session? I'm sorry I don't speak your dialect of acronese.
Might I suggest in return, you and your fellow cheerleaders take the boundless, endless and sometimes groundless optimism to a private channel?
We gather here to discuss all aspects of Wave, even the sides you and your colleagues would prefer to pretend don't exist, or are not fit topics for conversation.
The best remedy I have ever seen for removing irritants from one's daily life (this board included) is to ignore them.
Wave continues to move ahead technologically speaking, to perplex, to baffle, to confound and to make unexpected moves. Some of these moves are good and some of these are bad. Some of their moves require more information than we have available.
There seems to be a pack attitude on this board, that we must above all else, trust mgt to do the right thing. Why may we not discuss whether they in fact, are doing the right thing? Is it not a fit topic of discussion to debate strategy, its timeliness, cost, effectiveness, etc.?
When anyone tries to veer away from the "approved" line, the wolf pack comes out and tries to bully them away. If someone has been full of it, as I certainly have been, on more than one occasion, why not simply ignore and do not reply? Why the emphasis on shouting down those who raise legitimate questions?
What is so wrong about questioning commonly-held assumptions now and again?
In my personal opinion, this is one of the most unattractive aspects of this board, not that you are a particularly egregious offender, you are not. But you do partake.
Wave is entering a most critical phase of its extended life. All that has gone before is prologue and what comes now is what is really important. We are at last in the marketplace and we are trying to judge acceptance. In the complex world in which we compete, success is not a given.
Now is when we need the most critical minds the most. Cheerleading may have had its function when we were developing, but now we need critical analysis. We need those who are willing to both ask the hard question, and those who can answer the hard question, without the pro-company bias that has characterized this board for so long.
So, if I may be a voice urging all of you to listen to divergent views during this critical phase--you may find them valuable. The private e-mails I get from those who say they would like to ask certain questions, but are afraid to do so, is testament to the success of the pack. We need those questions--now more than ever.
Most respectfully--Bluefang
Rachelelise: Hope you have the game plan right. Sounds good. I'm not sure I agree as much with your scenarios of Wave keeping quiet, as much as it is us being ignored. In the end, it probably does not matter which it is, if we continue to gain momentum.
In the past, there was always a lot of talk on the boards about a stealth strategy. I don't believe this was ever intentional on Wave's part--I think it was just that the larger world saw us as irrelevant. Perhaps now the world will have reason to change their opinion.
Not sure what we as board members and longs can do at this point other than watch and wait and perhaps comfort one another as the share price does not make its anticipated climb. I hold other tech stocks and in those, I have seen a fairly rapid upward move over the past few months. The Wave upward move seems entirely related to the Intel & IBM announcements. Let's hope deployment and future announcements will be the tide we need to lift our boats.
Have you or anyone else heard anything about Wave's plan for Comdex, if any?
Best--Bluefang
Mig: I'm not upset--just noting low share volume and south-drifting price. I'm prepared to wait. After 7 years of waiting, a few more months I could do standing on my head.
I agree with the other things you said about announcements that will lift us and why we drifted lower post Intel announce--that seems normal.
Best--Blue
To All: Here's the Comdex link:
Press Release Source: MediaLive International
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Friday October 31, 3:14 pm ET
Sessions to Focus on Security Strategies for Today's Heterogeneous Business Environments
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Best wishes--Bluefang
Mighunter: I'd agree the ball is rolling, but why is it rolling the wrong way? As we begin to deploy, one would hope to see share price, at the very least, holding, not going down in an up market.
Still way early in the game, but I'd like to see some reversal of current trend take hold. Not that these early returns mean much, I don't think they do.
Still, with the November Comdex focused on security, one would hope those with impressive security functions would be a little more in demand.
From what I've read, no one seems to be holding their breath waiting for Longhorn. If Wave is here and now, and it apparently is, why can't we catch a break?
Best--Blue
So Matt, how do I get rid of it again? Thanks. It seems there used to be a box to check in plain sight. Now you've hidden it somewhere.
Best--Bluefang
Matt: I post and use the Wavx board most frequently. I can not figure out to remove the anchor/greet message from the heading. I have deleted many times, but it always comes back. Am I doing something wrong?
Best--Bluefang
Tampa: If you had a choice between Microsoft's Passport or this new offering from Wave to manage your passwords and secret data, which would you choose? The buggy one with the security holes as wide as the sky, or Wave?
Bluefang
Tampa: Taking a guess, I would say it is aimed at home-based professionals, small businesses, or people who are concerned with security issues.
If you have ever suffered an intrusion, a hack attack, a loss of data/money, etc. I believe you would prick up your ears at the mention of such a product.
If the head of a company bought a version of this product for his home computer and was impressed, it seems to me he would certainly bring it to the attention of his CIO or CTO.
This is only to the good. There will be much cross pollination, IMO.
Bluefang
Bingoman: If you gave me something factual, or a for instance, I could discuss it intelligently. But you make gross generalizations without citing exactly what you are talking about. In my mind, you have been guilty of exactly what you are accusing me of doing.
I have not tried to evade anything from you. It is just frustrating trying to explain something to you. You feel I'm not listening and I feel the same about you.
It has gotten a bit tiresome for me, probably for you, and most certainly for the rest of the board. Let's give it a rest, let some time go by and then we can come back to it if we need to.
The issue was not that important to begin with and as it turns out, I was completely mistaken about the premise. Can we just let it drop? Please? Pretty please? We've run it into the ground.
Blue (in the face)
88Carrera: You are certainly welcome to your opinion, but do you have reasons, other than my role as a persistent critic?
I have been labelled a basher, a short, disingenuous, a person with an agenda. In truth I am none of those things.
I am a long with a fair reach of history with this company (Nov. '96), thru good times and bad.
I have done my cheerleading stint. I have done original DD, met with mgt, attended shareholder's meetings. Was one of the first to buy a Haup board and a virtual Wave meter.
I have applauded the company's good moves and criticized what I thought were bad moves. The recent deal with Intel brought me optimism as I am sure it did many here--many of us (myself included) who had just about given up hope Wave would succeed.
But the overall tone of my posts has been negative in recent years, in reaction to what I thought were terrible moves by mgt. I am still hopeful we will succeed and have spent more hours than I should have following this stock.
What about the recent discussion has been dishonest in your view? I completely admit I was totally mistaken about how long the Intel board with Wave on it has been shipping.
I have no agenda and certainly nothing to gain from bashing the company, with the exception of trying to change it for the better. Of trying to curb some of the behavior that has hurt us on Wall St. by publicizing it and discussing it (perhaps way too many times).
Thank you for your comment--Bluefang
Bingoman: You get an A for persistence and an F for comprehension. I give up.
Someone else has already pointed out that the Intel chipset has only been out a week. That is not enough time to get the early buzz. I mistakenly thought it had been out there for about 3 weeks. Even at three weeks, it is a little early.
My point has been said as well as I can say it. Either I am not making myself clear, I am speaking gibberish, or you are not getting it. I give up. Let's move on.
If the days and weeks pass with us continuing to drift downward, I will come to think my theory may be correct, barring some other explanation. But at this point in time, I do not think we have enough information.
By the way, speaking of presumptions becoming facts--I said in an earlier post that if the Wave technology piggybacking on the Intel chipset does not create a buzz, we might consider that it is substandard, as one possible explanation--followed by the admonition "not that I think it is.". Nevertheless, Doma and a couple of others jumped on that as if I had stated it as fact.
It just goes to show the bias here, the extreme sensitivity to the possibility of anything negative and the obsessive need to try to grind down any who suggest all is not well in Waveland.
We come here to learn. This board is peopled with great minds, along with some clunkers of course. But the bias is so heavy, the intolerance of any criticism so severe, it is not conducive to honest discussion, since we can't go into the dark parts.
Let's just wait and see how the next few weeks pan out. End of discussion from this end.
Bluefang
Eamonn: My mistake. I thought it shipped earlier. Just a week? That is true impatience! I may yet give your 8-year old a run for the title of most impatient.
well, we'll wait a bit and see. After 7 years (for me) a few more weeks or months is not going to kill one.
Bluefang
Snackman: Then how come the float (available shares) changes nearly every day? If the changes were dynamically static, the float would always be the same. Instead, it ebbs and flows, does it not?
What about the inventory of MM's? When they have an inventory, there is obviously a surplus of sellers, rather than buyers.
And if you had the same number of shares bought as sold, what about the last trade of the day? How could this possibly be exactly the right number to balance it out?
Thanks for you viewpoint--
Fondly, Blue
Bingoman: Wrong. I was not talking about Intel employees, but rather those who are the end product purchasers. I presume there are many companies who are buying the Intel board.
And yes, while it is true many are risk adverse, there are still plenty looking for bargains. And if you were in possession of knowledge that a small security co. had a great product that worked well and was selling sub-$3, I suspect you would find a few shekles or rubles to put down on it. How big a risk is $2,7X a share? At volumes of 500K a day, it would not take much buying by a small collection of individuals to push the share price up a few pennies.
At any rate, at no time did I presume to think these assumptions were fact, nor did I ever state them as such. I believe the miscommunication occured in the reception, not the transmission of the message.
Regards--Blue
RWK: Aside from your mistakes in English, your arithmetic is completely wrong. It would be a rare day when the number of shares bought exactly equalled the number sold.
Check with someone whose grasp on the stock market is a little firmer than your own.
No more needs to be said.
Bluefang
Bingoman: You may be right. I happen to think you are wrong. But to the point, I have had more than one course in logic and did quite well.
If you could be a little more specific and point out which assumptions I proceed to treat as facts, it would be easier to argue.
But I think you are not interested in real facts, at all. So why don't we both wait a couple of weeks or more and see if more time brings more information. Then perhaps we could both have a more intelligent discussion, one more fact-based and less assumption-based.
Bluefang
Magdelina: I could not agree more. It is the only way. If the product sparkles and answers the crying need, not many will care about nepotism, tinfoil helmets, Ishophere, theglobe.com, etc.
Now, it is all about the product and its performance and acceptance in the market.
Best--Blue
Wavxmaster: I am well aware of the huge jump in share price, following the Intel announcement. That was the response to potential. Now the potential has evolved into a product out in the marketplace.
It was the huge volume of buying that far exceeding the selling that pushed the price up from the mid 70-cent range to $5 in the wake of the Intel announce. We all knew that price would not hold and we all expected it to trade down, which it has.
But pick any point after the high, and what I said is true. More shares have been sold, than bought and that is why the price is drifting down.
Many in the stock market were buy and holders, prior to the crash. Now, they have a quick trigger. For many, as soon as there is a reasonable profit, they take it and move on. For the most part, most Wavoids are buy and holders. In some ways this works against us, as the traders jump in on the rises and jump out, causing slides.
But the basic fundamental still rules. When shares selling outweigh the shares buying, price goes down. That is the predominant truth of our post-shipping period.
It was an observation, not an accusation.
Bluefang
2004riptide: You may be correct. The answer to my question may be that Wave is but one of many components in a complex equation and that it can not be singled out of the herd, if you will.
Perhaps I am too impatient and too overeager to see results. When they were not forthcoming, I began to try to reason why.
But let me remind you, I did not say Wave's product was substandard. I merely put that out as one possible answer to the seeming lack of an impact.
You may have actually given the best reason, if I understood your reply correctly. I am by no means a techie. Thank you for your reply.
Bluefang
John: In no way was I trying to say the market is infallible in the short term. I just made an observation that our product was shipping and simultaneously the share price was dipping in the 30 days or so I was away.
It just seemed to me that at long last we finally had a product out there and I guess I wanted to see an impact. Security is very much on the minds of everyone as computers become more integral in both the enterprise and in our personal lives.
Therefore, I reasoned, why would not a product that answers these very concerns with a flexible, programmable solution not have an impact when it finally hit the market?
That's the question. The reasons may be very complex and yet it may be as simple as it takes a little time for such an impact. After all, the rest of the world may not be quite as eager or as interested in our product as we are.
Best wishes to you as we all wait--Blue
Rachelelise: You certainly make some good points and it may indeed be too early to tell, using my logic of the early adopters buying in.
However, on the main point--if some of these IT types were buying and holding, the price goes up unless it is offset by a greater number of shares selling. Millions of shares are traded back and forth, but the ultimate truth of the market is that if more shares are bought than sold, price moves upward. The reverse is equally true unless there are some machinations.
I'm not familiar enough with some of the other stocks you mention to see if the analogy is a good one.
Hey, I'm willing to wait. I've been here almost 7 years. Most of that time was spent waiting for our product to go into the marketplace. Now it has. I'm simply trying to get some measure of the response it has received. Perhaps this is flawed thinking, but no one has yet shown me how it is.
Thank you for your intelligent reply.
Bluefang
Howie: While I agree with some of your premises, I do not agree with your conclusion. Yes, there is some bad behavior here.
However, I do not think if this company was taken lightly, or their credibility such an issue, Intel would have made a deal with them. Ditto for some of their other partnerships (not the tinfoil deal).
The nepotism has bothered me a great deal and I have aired my complaints publicly. If we succeed, that will hold us back to be sure.
But all in all, you must credit them with pulling off the Intel deal. I share almost all of your other criticisms as valid, but the Intel deal nearly compensates for the other excesses and mistakes, depending on how it plays out from here.
Bluefang
Zen: Both you and 24601 have repeatedly misstated something attributed to me. I NEVER said the market was infallible.
You are absolutely correct in saying there was no hint of the Intel deal before it happened. It came out of the ahem, blue.
The secret was kept well and nothing leaked out to my knowledge.
This, however is a totally different scenario we are now talking about, as opposed to an announcement, i.e. even a big one like the Intel announcement.
Once a product is out in the marketplace for use and evaluation by the enterprise--if it is a viable product, does it not stand to reason that those using it successfully would then look at the stock of the company making the product? And that they would see, "hey, this guy is trading at below $3--I've got a chance to get in on something at the ground floor." Does that scenario not make sense?
If it does, why is our share price drifting down in up markets. I know the last I checked, it was up a penny. But the trend has been down ever since our product has been shipping.
I'm not trying to make a big deal of this, only to ask the question why is it happening. There may in fact be very good reasons for this. I just don't happen to see them--doesn't mean the reasons are not there.
That's what I have been asking this board to do--come up with some reasonable and plausible reasons why our product's arrival in the marketplace is not moving the share price upward, even a little.
The problem for many here, is that you can just not handle the possibility, the possibility mind you, that Wave's product might be substandard. I'm not saying it is. But, I'd sure like to see a little excitement and buzz emanating from its arrival in the marketplace. Unfortunately, I do consider all the possibilities, even the unthinkable.
Would like some real answers by you market specialists. Wavx attack dobermans will be ignored. Just please answer the question--it is quite simple.
Thank you in advance--Bluefang
Snackman: Please accept my apology if I have wrongfully accused. You are so right, I do not see the posts that are deleted. I also understand with the volume, you can not be a real time sheriff.
Good to have you back.
Best wishes--Blue
Zen: I'd love to argue the point, but I'm afraid I'll catch the hook for repetitiveness if I do.
You missed what I was saying--it is not the announcement of shipping that is different--it is the product arriving on people's desktops that is different. Once the customers get their hands on it, they can evaluate it.
That's the response that I am looking for--what those people who have a chance to actually use it, do.
Zen, you look in the mirror and see an optimist. I see a cheerleader, not that there's anything wrong with it.
I look in the mirror and see a contrarian. You and many of the others see a sour, disillusioned person who can not tolerate the thought of Wave's success. I guess it's a matter of perception. Best part about it is there is room for both of us here, Snackman willing.
Blue
Snackman: Welcome back from your trip. JesseL is a prince of a fellow, isn't he?
Re: the duplication/Groundhog mode--I notice the hook always seems to yank those whose views are critical. If the cheerleading section says the same positive things over and over, they are never rebuked, gagged or banned.
Be careful with that hook, Snackie; be judicious and fair. People come here to hear both the good and the bad. Those who raise serious issues should be heard also.
Didn't see any rebukes administered to posters like Doma, Barge and others who were simply rude, personal, failed to address the issues, and posted in sarcastic manner. Looks rather biased, from my point of view.
In a democracy we tolerate all points of view, that is what makes this such a wonderful country. The stifling of the voices of contrarians and dissidents is the first sign of totalitarianism. Besides, all cheerleaders a dull board do make.
Your faithful thorn in the side--Bluefang