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Premium,
You are absolutely right when looking through fundamental glasses.
However, there must be a wild card. Is there a distrust with Wallach and what he might do with those shares? Is there a disconnect between what you say and what the distributors and their friends and families are told behind the closed door rallies? Surely, if outsider investors are privy to all of the info you offer, then clearly the individuals closest to this company would feel the same way and be spewing to everyone they know about this golden investment opportunity, that is YGYI. The lack of volume and buying interest at these levels is somewhat telling and disturbing. I don't get it either, but something is amiss.
I'm going to trade it until there is sustainable volume. It will be obvious when the train is about to leave the station, if it ever does. There will be heavy selling pressure when it begins however, but once the trapped bag holders get out, and if the growth and revenues remain strong, there should be a significant share price increase. Fundamentals should prove share price at some point.
touche Rug.....it needs to be said because it is absolutely true.
As this stock is touted, more coffee contracts are inked, an international foothold takes shape, more and more distributors come on board, coverage initiated with .49 price target, yet no one sees the value in the stock. Huh...what...I guess the red flag be swingin on the street. Insiders must be privy to something that we are not. The volume is abysmal and price support is non existent.
This buying opportunity reoccurs every month or two. Better off trading it than holding it. Buy at .20. Sell at .30. Rinse and repeat.
What a pathetic read. I realize some of it is blanket and protective material, but if you read between the lines, it appears that they are in self-preservation mode.
The greed is about to kick in once again. Briskie's minor market purchases were probably the head fake to attempt to initiate some buying and drive the price of this thinly traded junk to support a higher offering. I can assure you his purchases will stop now.
If you dive deeper into the prospectus, you will find all sorts of misguided, high-risk directed statements to cover their arse with shareholders.
- Continued growth could have an adverse effect on management's ability to focus on our core business. Unable to manage growth due to a lack of available management and key personnel. Financing and acquisition for such growth could further dilute shareholder value. What! We are already excessively diluted. Wallach's shelved shares should hold all the leverage necessary to raise funds and make future acquisitions as well as create stock compensation options for suited executives and management. Nice game plan with a complete lack of execution. Expect large raises, compensation and/or funds directed towards existing executives and new upper management. Growth requires payroll certainly, but stating the obvious sounds like they are attempting to justify an upcoming internal windfall. I gave up this read thru page 22, so maybe they redirected their lack of optimism, but it wasn't worth my time to continue.
Wait and see how these funds get utilized. If any of it is used internally for payroll bonuses, compensation, etc., watch out! It will show what I've been stating since Pumper stole the loot. Feed the internal beast by whatever means necessary. Only 342 holders of this stock, which makes it very easy to manipulate.
A good business model would be self supportive through positive cash flow. Wallach is heading to the well once again. Unfortunately holding with a glass back to half empty.
Keep it real!
Premium,
I must admit that the spring is beginning to feel loaded and my skepticism is waning. Wallach has shown some integrity here and growth seems sustainable.
I only hold a quarter million shares, unlike the million-share club that rule this board, but still am enjoying the recent run up, and clearly would enjoy my head being out of water at .43. The worst appears to be behind us, and the legs are seemingly in place to let this girl run. Wish my 100k block would have filled back in the .20 range but glad to see her going the right direction. International growth could be the final catapult to lift off.
Thanks for the buzz kill...
More realistic however.
But at least she's off the ventilator.
Lakelife....absolutely to your latter comments. Tell him to drop a million share buy at market ask and drive the price. Maybe then he will gain the attention of other larger investors on the fence and create support. His purchases, although appreciated, are paltry. Volume is paltry. Celebrity endorsements, thousands of reps worldwide, and no one wants this pig. There is a reason. With seemingly all the million-share plus holders of this stock, whom reside and comment on this board alone, it's beginning to feel like a cult, Real revenues and real profit should yield real share-holder value. Something is fishy for sure. It's time to pull back the curtain.
Mr. Goldfinger....well played sir. Your observations and comments are spot on and our skepticism is founded and absolutely necessary at this point.
Subs,
You have finally come to the dark side. It's nice to have company.
I am a small business owner, and as a business owner, you can strive to create profitability while minimizing lucrative salaries and internal greed or you can absorb cash flow and be a slob with the bottom line. You need to prove your integrity and ability to investors without greed. Growth expenses clearly play a huge part in your financial health as well, yet should be offset with applicable revenue and near term profit pertaining to those expenses. YGYI appears to be growing yet no interest exists from the street...why?
No one here needs an Economics 101 class, but the investment world is fearing this stock for obvious reasons. My belief is that they don't feel they can trust the founder and/or CEO. He holds far too much control and can take this company any direction he so chooses with the power of his shelved shares. There is a pyramid mentality here, and it speaks volume to me that the clones that work for this company will not spend their own money at these levels to accumulate shares while they participate in the "u rah rah" sales rallies. The mother ship must look unstable from the inside, otherwise there would be plenty of sustainable volume here, which there clearly is not. Smoke and mirrors...book cooking....coffee bags filled with illegal herbs(joking of course), who knows. I'm getting the feeling that a few will become rich, while the masses suffer the loss. Fortune capitalism through misdirection. Internal rewards seem to be what drives this company, rather than being looked at as a growth investment opportunity. My two cents as it's the only thing that makes sense at this point.
I will continue to wait and see as this has become my crap shoot holding for the next couple of years.
Mtn,
All while the market reaps record highs. For shame. By the time YGYI is set to take off, the market will be set for another crash and that will become the new excuse of stagnicity(not a word but it should be).
Higher revenues with a minimal bottom line....the story and saga continues. As my disputed post said....status quo.
This is what I have been looking for. His shares had to be a part of revenue growth and it had to be free to shareholders. It is considerable, but more of this needs to follow in my opinion. It's the only approach that will create further non-dilutive value. Keep it up and the share price will indeed follow.
No kidding...you took me seriously??? It's called skepticism....I have every right to be skeptical until they prove otherwise. That statement has been status quo thus far.
Nope....the more revenue they generate, the more that gets absorbed internally. The perfect pyramid scheme. The top will be filthy rich and we shall be feeding off the dollar menu for years.
On this very thread, I suggested cortex do a low dose, focus factor, over the counter type supplement 8-9 years ago to fund trials or feed cash flow. Sounded ridiculous to most, but clearly had some merit if it was viable. They would have been well ahead of the massive surge of vitamin infused waters, coffees, energy drinks, etc. Could have been the leaders in something with a smidge of out-of-box thinking and effort from management. Never to late to enter the game I suppose, but they missed the boat in my opinion, unless they have groundbreaking results and a miraculous marketing campaign at that level.
Mtnman,
I'll be the first to break down the hype here, but I think your angst and volatility is somewhat misguided. Everyone feels the pain in different measures. Enjoy your tranquility...don't let the silence get to you.
Thanks taste....just trying to keep it real. I must say that the pieces are in place. Our success as shareholders simply falls on the execution of Wallach's shares. Something still seems a tad shady about our CEO. Let's hope they can follow up Q's with some relatively strong news or we will more than likely trickle back to .20. YGYI needs momentum and volume. My biggest red flag has to do with the lack of sales force investors. If the regional sales rallies were motivational and driven, I would think many of the team would be buying stock. It doesn't appear so on such weak volume.
YGYI's direction looks solid. Her growth is reasonable and evident albeit slow. Use of bottom-line cash in order to grow and project revenues is a reasonable excuse when speaking to a stagnant or declining bottom-line profitability number. Revenue and growth wise, she appears more healthy than ever before.
However...until Wallach finds a massive revenue driven and substantiated use for his shares, the elephant will always be in the room. Shareholder value lies completely in his hands as it did when mass dilution destroyed it. Continuing to shelve his shares for the perfect opportunity, which may never come, is negligible. IMO, he should have had a much more expedient and grand plan prior to the merger and mass dilution of shares. Although typical CEO behavior, at this stage with his current holdings, to continue to receive shares via stock options is criminal and speaks volumes to his greed. This is why the stock price sits where it is today and why mature and rational investors do not feel comfortable moving into this equity.
Disclosure: I am still long YGYI with over 200k plus shares and sit marginally underwater. My glass sits half empty until Wallach drops a revenue stream bomb or dissolves a portion of his equity holding in this company in order to create shareholder value. With integrity, I do believe Wallach and YGYI can create exceptional shareholder value over the next 3-5 years providing he doesn't fleece the profits for internal gain. Obviously, new investors will fair far better than us aging bagholders.
Auric,
You sure timed-out your buy nicely. I had a 100k block in at .15 and missed it. Oh well....decent move up with reasonable news and if numbers support, we should be near .30 relatively soon. Here's there chance to get the train out of the station.
Premium,
I agree, but Wallach needs to show some good faith with the shelved shares. The dilution was unnecessary had he not had an immediate plan to utilize them. We wouldn't be at these levels had the massive dilution not came all at once. I'd prefer organic cash use to acquire as they grow, rather than the current mess of stagnant execution. I said at the time that it was a dumb move, but thought he had a grand plan. Too much time has passed to instill any investor confidence. Only hard numbers will right the ship now. Bottom line profit better be growing or it's down, down, down regardless of total revenue.
Sorry to say Rug but here we are....
End of March better have a upside surprise or we go to .10.
It's going to get worse before it will get better unless the lustrous management team can support by numbers. No buyers here. No real fundamental or technical PR's. Pure fluff.
Cannabis coffee. Get it into production. Pr that. Boom! Hell it's better than a short squeeze.
This company could dive into pussy lake and come out with a dick in its mouth.
.19 looked like the bottom a few short months ago...then .18....now .17. If financials don't begin to support her, she is going down. No buyers and longs are slipping away.
It wants to and it is. .15 here we come unless they put out real news with real numbers sometime soon. There is no price support here. The bleeding continues....
They're running out of fluff....recycle.
Cheers to that...this thing and its sales growth is moving about as fast as a snails dick at a turtle orgy!!
JMS,
Until they show real and just revenues with growing bottom line profit margins, strategic investors will not come near YGYI. For all we know, this could be a pyramid reward structure with the suits receiving all free cash flow while throwing chicken feed at the sales monkeys to keep them motivated. That model leaves the shareholder holding the bag. All profits filter back into the company pyramid which in turn will melt the bottom line.
The kicker is that YGYI is very diluted and plays solely on the move of the holistic Dr.'s shelved shares. Once those shares are put to work to prove exponential revenue growth in direct correlation to the loss of YGYI's value through dilution, then and only then will the street view YGYI as a solid investment. Too much trust is left in Wallach's shares. He can make or break this company simply by retaining those shares and utilizing them for personal gain and agenda.
Premium refuses to disclose his share holdings or position in the company, if indeed he has a position in the company. So I can only assume that he is, at some level, part of the sales force. When the hype regresses and real numbers show themselves on the quarterly's, then you have a reason to get excited. Until then, this is all marketing PR fluff.
Thanks Blaze for solid input.
It does appear the bottom is in on YGYI. I worry about their execution and missed timelines, but they do appear real in ways that I didn't necessarily give them credit for a mere year ago. I too will reevaluate fundamentals if they show up on time. The lack of interest is spooky knowing how many direct sellers listen to Wallach and his big promises on a regular basis. If he is using smoke and mirrors and you-rah-rah tactics to drive sales and fluff books, then the bottom will fall out sooner than later. It's also not very liquid which clearly puts large shareholders, such as yourself, in a bit of peril if indeed his promises don't come to fruition. Trust me when I say, I hope that you are right in that marginal bottom-line profit is improving and that Wallach will strategically utilize his shares in the near future. Unfortunately, Wallach waiting for the share price to rise in order to acquire is like a cat chasing its tail. Share price won't rise until fundamental revenues are assumed with use of his shares and he won't utilize those shares until share price is higher. Looks like we are stuck in a catch 22. Nonetheless, best of luck to you as well, and I sincerely hope 2014 is a good year for YGYI, yourself, and the loyal holders which of course includes myself.
I am banking your e-mail address and when I get to Fla I will attempt to check out the roaster in Chula. I appreciate the heads up on HEPI. I'll do some digging on that one very soon! Thanks Again!
Hey tste,
Thanks for the empathy. Same to you regardless of size. Losing money is losing money and it's no fun!
O.T.
I have a huge, and I mean, huge stake in Cortex Pharma which, more than likely, is toast. They were suppose to advance a compound to stave off AD. The FDA blew'em up several years ago and I've been suffering the loss ever since. My biggest loss to date. Their IP was recently bought out by an East Coast company that has since shelved their IP and has not communicated their direction much with shareholders. It is at its rock bottom and is a lottery play if you have money to throw into the lake. I also hold APPA, SNGX, TNXP(which has had massive gains of late, CLF(more of a stable play with reasonable upside), I reentered DNDN for a bounce but will exit soon, BYD and ZNGA as internet gaming plays with some legislation risk hanging. Most of my penny plays are sunk and not really worthy of mention. As always, take all with a grain of salt. I think the market is due for a pullback and I may move money into more stable sectors if and when it retreats.
GLTY.
F4T
Hey Premium...I'm just having a little fun at YGYI's expense. I am trapped a bit in this stock and don't want to see others suckered in until Wallach's shares get put to good use. It was the dilution and reverse split that did long time holders in. It's long over due that he rewards them. I invested in a coffee company in hopes of playing the bubble when Green Mountain and others were en fuego. That is all....I have no agenda.
I hold 230k shares and have averaged down in order to get out whole, sometime soon hopefully. I'm simply trying to balance the board. There is a lot of hype here and IMO, execution fails the majority of the time. I understand why you are so gun ho on YGYI...with the holding you have, you need to be if you want to retire a multimillionaire. I simply hope that all you believe in and preach is fulfilled for many bag holders sake. I'm a brick and mortar retail guy and know the proof is in the bottom line. I will be moving to Florida soon and expanding my business and would gladly meet you and the YGYI team at a coffee roasters facility in hopes of getting a better understanding of things going forward. I've made a lot in the stock market and lost just as much. I'm a riverboat gambler that plays bio-techs, pennies, and trend stocks in hopes of hitting the jackpot. I hate taking losses and I've held YGYI underwater far too long, hence my bitterness towards the mgt team. There's my full disclosure. Feel free to offer yours.
The pumpers don't have much to say after the big reveal with the usual result. Weak stock performance with a complete lack of interest from the inside selling posse. Zero marketing strategy and more failed execution.
16,000 hits on youtube...really! Ground breaking anti-aging remedy and that's it. My uncle got bit in the nuts by a squirrel and his clip got 16,000 hits the first hour. I guess more people care about a goofy old man with teeth marks in his balls than discovering the fountain of youth.
Let me make prediction for 2014....flat revenues, marginal profit, shelved shares collecting more dust, minimal growth if any, further stock decline, and more hype with distributors receiving trips, gifts, and free stock. More of the same.
Happy New Year.
So Q1 revenues for 2014 are up $26...awesome!
Tste,
It's because even the direst sales members know it's just another product of hype without substance. Dr. Wallach can't even get his loyal followers to buy this crap stock at these bottom of the barrel bargain prices.
It would be like saying, selling a new concept car has the potential to be in the billion dollar sales arena. Means nothing unless the public is on notice and buys into it for some reason. This product is meaningless unless there is proof of concept with a grand marketing plan. This company continues to sing to its own choir. If Dr. Wallach has any ground breaking products, he has no clue how to market them. His monkeys are useless. They get paid regardless. It's the internal marketing scheme that continues to fail this company. Zero organic growth!
Thanks Dr. and sorry to hear of your father.
After hearing of your story and background, I don't feel quite as duped by good Ole Cortex and her touters as I did a mere minute ago.
It's a horrible shame to hear that a weathered bio-tech broker's misfortune and near financial ruin was primarily the result of a Cortex investment and the words of her leaders. His understanding of Bio-techs and their market, including their battles and means to exponential value as well as their instability, were obviously far more understood by him as it was a part of his daily rhetoric. His due diligence must have far superseded that of my willingness to believe the likes and notions of our board experts. It's a tragic story.
What's even more tragic however, is to hear that a family, with a higher understanding of Neurology backed by education and practice, had their hopes dwindled, dashed, mislead, and lost as a result of an FDA disapproval or of our company's leaders gross incompetence. Clearly you had a greater knowledge of your venture than most of us, and in so carried a much larger investment of hope which resulted in a far grander loss than all of us. The hopes of a Cortex molecule aiding in your father's recovery can never be recovered whereas my dollars can. Sad. It's a monumental shame what Cortex has cost so many of us in the I-hub community alone both financially and otherwise.
I can only hope that something does come of this investment before your story hits even closer to my home. I'm out nearly a half a million dollars, but the thought of a Cortex molecule saving someone close to me, yields far greater than this investment's monetary value ever could.
GLTY!
AGF,
I agree that there is a saturation point that tends to put a ceiling on high revenue specialty companies. However, creativity, ingenuity, and marketing all play a large part in that concept once a customer base has been established. YGYI has not infiltrated the mass market place either as a result of lack of creative marketing or lack of quality useful products. Most know of NuSkin, whereas very few know of Youngevitiy International, that is an obvious statement. Being relatively new, it is up to our team to establish its name and bring consumer desirable products to its product line. Mass marketing is expensive, and I don't believe that YGYI has the cash flow get there quickly. Using Mary Lou Henner as a spokesperson and playing radio spots on Alex Jones, has them singing to a very select audience. If they can get into the heads of the general population, then the sky is the limit for this stock. Unfortunately, they have yet to prove themselves in that regard. Their empty promises of exponential growth that were made just a few years ago seem to be just that. YGYI appears to migrate into growing markets at a snails pace when compared to their piers, and that is our problem. Their plan is of arrogance or laziness as growth through only acquisition is expensive to shareholders and shows lack of creativity. It obviously takes time to build a name in their market so I'm going to give them another year. My position is small in comparison to many others and I have only lost marginably with YGYI. At this point, downside risk looks minimal in comparison to the up, so I'm going to hold my position.
You seem reasonably versed and unbiased, do you hold a stake here or are you on the fence?
Blaze,
With these comments I can wholeheartedly agree. It was obvious back in the day that Pumper was playing investors for fools to line his own pockets. I saw through him a bit when I spoke to him directly by phone when he tried to inform me to buy, buy, buy with an eminent short squeeze on the horizon, which he said would easily propel the stock to $5 a share pre-split. I sold half my shares as a result prior to the release of the merger PR. I guess one should be ready for such antics while playing the pinks.
Understand, I'm not trying to joust with you or Premium, as I can now see that the two of you are in the same camp(no wonder he was so quick to delete my posts), but I find it so hard to believe that Briskie , Wallach or other deep pocket investors associated with the company, wouldn't create support knowing of Rochon's antics. A measly 5,000,000 shares to a group of them would be peanuts. That action would create strength and merit in the stock and company not to mention give the middle finger back to Rochon and Pumper. All they would have to do is create an investment group under a different name and funnel funds to purchase stock on the open market to offset Rochen's dump. They have connections if they want to create support for the share price here. That's the problem I see with our management team. I hope they aren't playing similar games by creating excuses without action. As I said. I'm lean in holdings compared to yourself and premium, but do have an interest in YGYI's success. I just don't see all through rose-colored glasses however. I sincerely hope you and Premium are ultimately correct, as I would buy more after proven fundamentals, but clearly not on the hearsay of vested interest groups or large holders of stock. Their plan is moving a at a snail's pace when considering their projections. Fundamentally speaking, the numbers don't support a much higher share price. Maybe two years from now or when Alex Jone's fine alternative Dr. uses his shares to increase revenues 10 fold without further dilution or company cash. We shall see.
Finally something I agree with....Pumper's a$$ should be in prison the way he manipulates shareholders and delivers propaganda for personal gain. Then again, wall street would be surrounded by razor laden chain link if that was illegal.
tste9,
I'm glad you caught one of my posts prior to our unbiased moderator deleting it. Amazing how Premium left up Blaze's personal and attacking posts yet deleted mine as quickly as he could. He must be trying to hide something. Simply goes to show you the agenda of this board. Watch what you say, you may be next on the black ball list. Good luck!
Got to get in one last jab....good old Blaze must be quite the stock picking and admired guru to brag on a board about what a large investor he is in a company that is near its all time low. A genius in his own mind!! (LMFAO...once again overly irritating)
Go ahead premium...I mean Blaze. Get to deleting. You must be a communist!!
Blaze and Premium,
Hello Premium, I've been following your comments since JCOF was a baby coffee company and Blaze, not sure how much you hold, but I would hope it's near a million shares to consider yourself one of the company's biggest unaffiliated shareholders.
With that said, it all looks good on paper, but the only true way is to execute their business model with consistently growing organic profitability, which they clearly have yet to do at surmountable levels in order to justify a higher share price and market cap. The lack of large buying interest at these levels from even insiders and their direct selling employees, is telling. A bargain...don't mislead! It's only a bargain if their business plan comes to fruition and succeeds, which has yet to be proven. Furthermore, negativity is absolutely founded and should be directed towards this company's leaders. Their timing of mass dilution without guaranteed use of those shares to grow the company exponentially is reckless and hurt shareholders and continues to hurt shareholders. Again. so far they have made piddly progress in the revenue growth acquisition arena. The only way to justify a $5 share price is to acquire a half billion dollar revenue company with a great bottom line, and to to do so with the already allotted and shelved shares. Good luck with that. No proven company with that sort of revenue substantiality is going to do that without receiving a massive payday, of which YGYI can ill afford.
Sorry, but you can remain positive and continue to believe the spewing of the management's wishes and promises for the next several years while you hold. This is a high risk play with no guarantees, so don't sound like such a Scott Pumper. Hell, the hundreds of millions they have made off of this pyramid scheme should allot them the time to consult an hour with a half dozen or so shareholders. Where do I sign up for that job! Get real guys. I'm simply a voice of reason...not a basher!
Slow death....he froze to death pretty quickly, we. on the other hand, will bleed out by pin needles.
Shorty,
I'm in favor of your touting, however, if "we" are so pleased with the direction of the company as you state, then why aren't "we" as deep pocket confident investors buying up stock on the open market at these prices? Or why aren't "we", if "we' is an insider relationship, doing a stock buyback at such suppressed prices? Your logic simply doesn't translate to the action of this stock.
P.S. Btw...you're "Word of the Day" toilet paper is kickin ass!! "obfuscating" and "promulgated" are very well played!
Penny Player....please clarify. Pump and Dump or real news. I'm not really a believer, just curious as to what you speak of. Hell, I'd be more than happy if Freto drove this thing to a quarter again.
Spot on!!
If I got free shares for selling a deceived old lady from Minnesota 10 bottles of organic eye cream....I guess I'd consider myself a smart investor too.