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Wamu asks to probe Fed, regulators over collapseBY Reuters
— 5:11 PM ET 12/15/2009
By Tom Hals
WILMINGTON, Del., Dec 15 (Reuters) - Bankrupt holding company Washington Mutual Inc (WAMUQ
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) asked a federal court to compel the U.S. Federal Reserve, U.S. Treasury and more than a dozen others to turn over documents relating to its collapse in 2008.
The company wants to investigate discussions between JPMorgan & Chase Co (JPM
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), regulators, competitors and rating agencies it said led to the seizure of Washington Mutual (WAMUQ
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), or WMI, according to a filing in bankruptcy court on Monday.
It said the alleged misconduct includes JPMorgan (JPM
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) "disclosing confidential information, in violation of the confidentiality agreement, to government regulators, ratings agencies, media and investors in an effort to harm WMI by driving down WMI's credit rating and stock price."
Washington Mutual (WAMUQ
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) said it needs to determine if it has valuable claims against regulators and others that could be pursued on behalf of its creditors.
The company was the largest U.S. savings and loan when it was seized by the government in September 2008, at the height of the financial crisis, and sold for $1.9 billion to JPMorgan (JPM
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) in what Washington Mutual (WAMUQ
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) has called a "fire sale."
The company has been investigating possible claims against JPMorgan (JPM
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) since the middle of 2009 and cited some of the documents provided by the bank to justify expanding its investigation.
It cites an internal JPMorgan (JPM
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) email it said shows that a week before Washington Mutual (WAMUQ
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) was seized, the bank's executives were contacted by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp regarding their interest in Washington Mutual (WAMUQ
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).
The request to expand its investigation also relies on information from a suit filed by American National Insurance Co, which is suing JPMorgan (JPM
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) for its losses on its investments in Washington Mutual (WAMUQ
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) securities.
American National said in its suit that JPMorgan (JPM
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) used former JPMorgan (JPM
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) executives who went to work for Washington Mutual (WAMUQ
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) as part of a long-term plan to acquire the savings and loan.
JPMorgan (JPM
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) could not be immediately reached for a comment.
The case is In re Washington Mutual Inc (WAMUQ
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), U.S. Bankruptcy Court, District of Delaware (Wilmington), No. 08-12229. (Reporting by Tom Hals; editing by Andre Grenon)
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Thank you, Royal.
Kolano, you are wonderful and thank you
Kolano, thank you but I can not make heads or tails out of this.
What is the price in Frankfurt this morning? Anybody?
Red, sounds great to be singing the same song and verse. We know one thing for sure and that is some LARGE GREEN will be tranferring hands soon.
Godfather, there is so much wrong here JPM/FDIC can only go as far as a jury being selected but they will not hear one actual word because these people will not go to prison as they will use taxpayer money to buy their freedom through settlement of a large amount of money transferring hands.
Now weather that is today or December 24th of 2009 (hint) or July 4th of 2010 it does not matter, but a large amount of money will transfer hands. I have never seen a better investment in my life; this is the next best thing to having inside information on a stock due to the blackout wordwide of these criminal actions. If one can not see the forest for the trees in this stock, they should not invest in anything; let somebody else handle it for them.
No letter was ever issued accusing WMI of low liquidity (requirement), just the opposite.
That brings up another tragedy for our country...two or three people who control about 90 percent of the world media, telecommunications such as Rupert Murdoch. They would have gotten awaywith it had they not missed the four billion that somebody was able to trick JPM on.
This should be treated as the crime it really is and Paulson, Bair and JD should have been arrested and taken to jail already as anybody would have who robbed a bank.
Gung, all they really have are delay actions. If I were their lawyers, I would move on and not ruin myseff.
Barefoot, you are so right. JPM is so use to doing illegal business. They got caught this time and it will cost them (taxpayers); to do anything legal would seem like the wrong business practice to them. At this point this country is operating like a third world country with the exception is we wear a tie. The leaders we have had for the last twenty years only care about one thing and that is them. They would sell their family for more power/money or self enhancement...what a shame this is happening to the great USA.
Sorry Linda, all I meant is it really does not matter with all of the evidence that already exists that WMI was seized for the benefit of JPM and nothing about the seizure was done correct. So what ever they want to argue; there are many illegal and corrupt actions that can never go to trial.
Linda, facts are JPM signed a confidetiality aggreement and broke it, Dimon entered into and agreement with WMI that if JPM did not purchase they would be unable to purchase WMI for eighteen months, and many more that are facts but I will not list them all as this has been covered relentlessly if you do some DD.
So when you say you want facts; there are plent of them out there if you want to do serious DD.
Linda, they can argue all they want. This was such a pre-meditated crime; JPM/FDIC virtually have little defense unless the powers that be continue this shameless corruption of our country with out being held accountable. WMI legal team must have countless documents going back several years to tie this crime directly to JPM/FDIC, Paulson and Bair.
I am sure the stuttering Paulson/Bair has not had much sleep since they found out in October of 2008 that WMI had 4 billion in cash.
Godfather, as always another great post with sound reasoning and thought process. The flurry of settlement talk in the October billings on over 15-20 smaller settlements within; leads me to believe the top two on each side have made an agreement and this flurry of multiple settlements within, is tying up loose ends to the Global Settlement to be announced very soon.
Godfather, yes I read Moracia posts who I hold in high esteem, but the hearing could be nothing but delays and posturing to cover what the top two people on each side have agreed too. I just believe you never go by what anybody says, just judge by their actions for the true outcome. They have been playing this money all along for the overall settlement I think, or they could have already had a full hearing and been done with it months ago.
Godfather, I have believed since March the 4 billion is tied to an overall settlement and if you believe that, the Judge would not rule. If most everything is pushed forward to January, then I believe the share price will fall considerably but this could leave an opening with no ruling for a Holiday settlement such as the 23rd or 24th of December, especially since XMAS is on a Friday this year making for a long weekend.
Mordicai, I have for a long time (since March) thought the 4 billion is tied to a global settlement and so far time has proved correct. I want this summary judgement as well but what would even be better is if this would be over the Thursday or Friday before Xmas.
I can not imagine this going in stages as "the powers that be" have worked very hard "worldwide" to keep this illegal seizure form making any kind of headlines. This leads me to believe one major announcement and then this is over and the media would focus on how JPM saved the world.
JPM Sells Warrants This Week...Maybe For WMI.....
US Treasury to sell warrants to buy JPMorgan stockBY Reuters
— 4:25 PM ET 12/08/2009
WASHINGTON, Dec 8 (Reuters) - The U.S. Treasury Department said on Tuesday it will auction off warrants to buy stock in JPMorgan Chase & Co (JPM
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The Treasury said the auction of warrants, which it received in return for pumping taxpayer capital into the company, would be on Thursday, with Deutsche Bank Securities as the sole book-running manager.
Ramirez & Co., The Williams Capital Group and Utendahl Capital Group will co-manage the offering, it said.
The Treasury said bidders would be able to place bids at any price in increments of $0.25 at or above the minimum bid price of $8.00 per warrant. Further details would be provided in a preliminary prospectus to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, it said.
The Treasury had announced on Nov. 19 that it would auction off the warrants it had received in JPMorgan, Capital One Financial Corp and TCF Financial Corp because it was unable to reach an agreement over their value with the institutions.
The 10-year warrants were meant to allow taxpayers to share the upside as banks that received public funds recover. All three of the banks have already repurchased preferred stock they had issued the Treasury.
"The proceeds of this sale will provide an additional return to the American taxpayer from Treasury's investment in the company beyond the dividend payments it received on the related preferred stock," the Treasury said.
JPMorgan, seeking to extricate itself from the government's bailout program, had said in July that the Treasury was demanding too high a price for the warrants and that it wanted them auctioned off. (Reporting by Tim Ahmann; Editing by Dan Grebler)
The same way "Rule 2004" never made world head lines for the discovery of illegalities into JPM. There are three people who control 90 percent of the world communication and of course JPM is in be with these three people-the likes of Rupert Murdock and Company.
Josh, with out question you have great insight and a wonderful summary, however sad and unjust it really is. Our great country is in such terrible shape with all of the corruption, handling of the worlds most important currency, destruction and illegal manipulation of the financial markets; all for the all-mighty buck. As much as I hate to say this, our country is in self destruction mode, by not enforcing the rules on the books now and letting those in charge just rape America with no consequences.
JPM Downgraded-could be detrimental to WMI conversion!
Market Edge downgrades JP MORGAN CHASE CO from BUY to SELL.BY Investars Analyst Actions
— 07:48 AM ET 12/07/2009
On December 7, 2009 Market Edge downgraded JP MORGAN CHASE CO from BUY to SELL.
Mordicai, that would be terrible and a losing hand if somebody else's lawyer is representing us.
Mordicai, when do you think we get to the point of TPG showing their hand?
Qwert, I know and that is what I am worried about. They can do almost anything in chapter 11 with out an equitee committee. I know the legal team is not showing it for a reason. I am worried they will make out a reorg plan based on where we are now and that is troubling...
Fish, I think the assets already exceed liabilities by billions; they are just hiding them or decided to show what WMI really OWNS at a later time.
I hope they do not draw up a re-org. plan based on liabilities being more than assets, as it could be too late for us. With all we know, I think it is high time for an equity committee. Keep in mind, the reason we are here is because of fraud, collusion, theft, and many criminal activities. I would hate to see something similar pulled, so the more eyes the better.
I do not trust anybody, I only trust their actions and if that proves they are trusting, then so be it. Your thoughts, please.
Here you go Fish,
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Sector Update: Financial Shares Lower at Mid-Day - JPMorgan Chase Revenue May Fall as Much as $3 Bln Next Year: BernsteinBY Midnight Trader
— 2:10 PM ET 12/02/2009
02:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, 12/02/2009 (MidnightTrader) -- Dow Jones U.S. Financials Index: -1.47 (-0.54%) at 269.86
Top Financial Stocks
JPM: -1.11%
BAC: -1.64%
WFC: -2.11%
GS: -0.85%
Financial shares are lower in mid-day trading. JPMorgan Chase (JPM
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) is lower after Sanford C. Bernstein estimated revenue could fall as much as $3 billion next year if new regulations force most of its derivative transactions onto an exchange. Bank of Ireland (IRE) is down fractionally despite a Goldman Sachs (GS
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) upgrade. SunTrust Banks (STI
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) is firmer, while BB&T (BBT
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) is higher following Credit Suisse upgrades.
JPMorgan Chase (JPM
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) estimates revenue could fall as much as $3 billion next year if new regulations force most of its derivative transactions onto an exchange, according to research firm Sanford C. Bernstein. The bank, the largest derivatives dealer on Wall Street, could take an EPS hit of $0.13 to $0.20 in 2010 if proposed derivatives rules becomes law, the analysts estimated after speaking Tuesday with Steve Black, executive chairman of JPMorgan's (JPM
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) investment bank. The calculations are based on the bank's worst-case scenario for additional regulation and the bulk of its privately traded derivatives contracts moving to an exchange. Bernstein's current estimate for JPMorgan's (JPM
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) 2010 EPS is $3.20.
Goldman Sachs (GS
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) raised Bank of Ireland to Buy from Neutral, according to MarketWatch.com. Goldman said Bank of Ireland's share price has dropped 88% from its peak in 2007 and that, while the bank still faces significant uncertainties, the risk/reward balance is skewed to the upside, the report said.
SunTrust Banks (STI
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) was upgraded to "outperform" at Credit Suisse, while BB&T (BBT
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) was raised to Neutral. It said STI "is supported by its strength of footprint, which supports stronger organic deposit / loan growth. Additionally, we estimate the south-east region (vs.-Atlantic and mid-West) and most consumer loan classes will recover earlier and faster," according to Marketwatch.com. It forecasted for BBT "$4 of normalized forward EPS, which implies that BBT is trading at 6.2x our normalized EPS estimate. As we forecast a normalized PE multiple of 12-13x, we believe the stock could trade up to $50, and has roughly 98% upside by mid-2012 (31% annualized return," MarketWatch.com reported.
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Samuri,I can not understand why WMI would even consider selling the rest to JPM. In my world,that just does not make sense, considering the hand that WMI now has. The offer for JPM to buy WMI would have been December of 2008 and that train left the station and will never return.
I would make JPM pay for their ill gotten gains in cash/stock, collect from the FDIC or push to a jury trial. We know they can not actually go to trial due to all of the corruption, so they will pay.
Once WMI has all of the stock/cash, they can stay in business, start a new business or put themselves up for sell during chapter 11 and sell out to the highest bidder. If WMI's cash pile equalled $25.00 a share after liabilities, a company like GS, MS or WFC would gladly pay twice that amout in their stock for the cash pile in today's environment.
Equity Committee = Huge Potential, Pilgrims Pride filed chapter 11 last fall and they tried to kill the common shares but were unsuccessful and an EQ was formed thrusting the price of commons from a low of .14 to almost $8.00 a common share and they are still in chapter 11-Reorganization.
Nov 27: 5.87 0.08 (1.34%) Pilgrim's Pride Corporation (PGPDQ.PK)More OnPGPDQ.PK
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PILGRIMS PRIDE CP(Other OTC: PGPDQ.PK)
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Less than one tenth of one percent is more like the reality!
Scott, if you hold the shares until the end it will be more like $25.00 to $30.00 a share and you are right NOT $8.00!!!
Mangas, I believe just watching the actions is a "tell all", meaning the Judge was wanting to move this along more than once and our legal eagles kept agreeing to delays and now the Judge is not doing anything which tells me a settlement is very close.
John/Diamond and Mordaci, I want to wish you and many other people a very Happy Thanksgiving and to thank you guys so much for all of the DD. I have no doubt you are so right on your 2 times plus, as this number especially "PLUS" stands with the true hard facts. This is my only post today as I am in jail for a while.
I do not believe this can go much longer as the end of March is the hard deadline on the new bankruptcy laws, so WMI has to allow themselves a back up plan as to not let their precious time escape. I believe they are too good for that to happen. I think any day now is possible but the timeing for the annoucement is as important to the FDIC/JPM, as the announcement is to the rest of us, so it will be around an extended weekend/holiday.
I also want to thank Slidedraft who helped me yesterday explaining how to use the right click; to use the copy/paste short cut to allow the link to work. You sent me a private message and I thought that was a nice touch, and thanks again as I am still in jail.
EQUITY COMMITTEE ON THE WAY-PG.36 for those NaySayers! Tax refunds, 4B turnover SJ and now mentioning of drafting emails to the US Trustee to appoint an Equity Committee (page 36 10-23)...
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229091125000000000003.pdf
Don't let the share price fool you folks, or the constant banter by ever changing ID's. An appointment of an Equity Committee will be warranted once the above is returned to its rightful owner, the estate of WMI (you and I as owners of the company).
Continued Good Luck and Happy Thanksgiving!
Samurai, I think you are "spot on" however if I had anything to say about WMI, there is no way I would sell to JPM. WMI should either stay in business or force JPM to pay for what they actually stole and put the holding company up for a bid.
If WMI collected 50 billion between JPM/FDIC, this cash pile could bring double this price by accepting someone else's paper such as GS, WFC or MS in this "Cash is King" environment!
John, I always appreciate your sincere DD and great information. Have a great Holiday.
As always, you are one of the BEST!!!