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Seeker,
That was a good post! You have a penchant for putting into words, what many are feeling right now and struggling with! Thanks and good luck will eventually come to us all, JMO,
Nez
TD2,
I too would love to add here but my experience with this one is that "they" (generic ones in the know) are the ones who know where the bottom is and IMO the bottom is in constant flux.
I am hoping, as someone said, there is good support at .0025 but then I have seen that without very substantial and positive influence, more and more people's "pain limit" is exceeded, "they" know it and in anticipation of people willing to sell lower, "they" drop the bottom incrementally.
IMO, the golden goose would be killed, if the pps drop happened all at once. In that vain of thinking, I am starting to believe that there is a "daily percentage" at which the pps is allowed to decline. Then of course, once in a while, we are allowed a really weak green day, which cause us to temporarily clear the stench of the drop from our noses before things resume.
To me, Mr. Wiley is the "wild card." Only he can officially file things which could turn everything on its head.
ALL JMHO and perspective. At this point one perspective has as much potential to be right as the next,
Nez
Skullyj,
JMHO, but some time back we (the board) was discussing what was refered to as "pain thresshold."
Again, this is just my opinion, but everyone has different pain levels. We had discussed how to hold long was going to be painful but on the flip side, at the time, there was in many people's opinion, as much potential for pain due to being left behind and saying" would'a, could'a, should'a."
At the time I was willing to suffer "holders pain" rather than "chasers pain."
In your post you refered to "them" selling shares. I took it to mean that you were refering to a group. The more I thought about it though, it could also just as likely refer to individuals who have reached thier "pain limit" and are the ones selling. I guess we will never know as level II just shows blocks and not who the sellers are. A group of trades could be multiple segments of a larger, individual trade.
JMO,
Nez
Skully,
IMO, people or a group of people with large sums of money at thier disposal are the only ones that could influence this or any other stock. Could it be that the "big money" sees more of an opportunity to make money by taking advantage of weak trading regulations as well as less experienced and less monetarily capable traders, regardless of where they find them?
Since the 'high value" stocks have received so much attention, why wouldn't big money go to the markets where they can have the greatest amount of influence while doing so with the least amount of risk of wrong doing? That would be a place where there are not laws or regs. in place to be broken by "morally questonable" practices, wouldn't it?
JMHO and thinking out loud,
Nez
O.T.
Skully,
Already did, and it started with the youngest and has not finished working through the other 6 of us. You are right, I don't remember seeing one this intense, it's bad! Went to the Drs office the other day (there are about 20 in the proactive) and almost all in the waiting room sounded identical. The parking lot (this may gross some out) had numerous areas of "regurgetaed" stomach contents all over the parking lot.
the Dr. said it just has to run its course and there is nothing to prescribe for it. A flu shot wouldn't have worked either. This flu, for me follows a bout of "strep!"
IMO, as our planet's bioshpere changes, the microbes and other pathenogens also are changing, many times, IMO, into forms our systems haven't been exposed to before and thereofre are defensless against. I also think the over use of "antimicrobial soaps, antibiotics and everything else" is killing the weaker strains and leaving our bodies to deal with "super bugs." JMO, but something is definately getting worse.
Good luck,
Nez
us too.
Nez
JP,
O.T
I wonder how many sold ATWT to buy into PYPR? With the pps of PYPR where it now is, I also wonder how many wish they would have hung on to their ATWT shares? I also wonder how anyone's sale of ATWT for move to PYPR effected ATWT, if effected the pps at all.
Just wondering,
Nez
O.T.
Derekz,
I take it this is a picture of an old or obsolete "oil rig?"
just wondering,
Nez
mk,
why did the Reg D become so important to you only since 11/19/2006?
In your prior 50 messages, I don't see any refering to atwt at all.
Just since the news comes out then you appear acting like a paid basher, harping on one thing and one thing only. Very suspecious.
JMHO,
Nez
Steve,
I was reserving the "Number Three" spot on my ignore list for a more effective candidate. However, upon further consideration and the time I wasted, I give the spot to Hard.
Have a good life and you have my prayers and pity. Bye.
Nez
Scooter,
FWIW and JMO but if they were just interested in "buying and getting in", thier DD would show them they really can't go wrong at current prices. Something, IMO, is making them think that thier price might slip away if they don't try to nuetralize truthful facts which are now becoming more evident and credible.
IMO, who ever is posting like this, isn't interested in just getting in, they want to get in at a specific prices, much lower than the market value. That leaves me to assume, they already are committed to a pps target, which in order to reach, they have to "cast as many stones at" as possible to increace the chance of attaining thier target. I don't know but that has definitive implications, for me anyway, as to the motivation of these folks, JMO and see ya in the morning,
Nez
Scooter,
You read my mind...great post, it wouldn't surprise me if you put into words what many of us were trying to say. Good job.
Thanks for the control and clairity too,
Nez
hawk,
Wondering the same..
Thanks for your attention to detail. I don't think I will ever be surprised by the blatant assumptions that anyone long in ATWT (like us) are complete fools who will believe anything told to the board by "48 hour, multi-posters" who just happens to turn up the day before the market opens.
The first trading day for a stock that has just spent the past days releasing solid proof of a small, start-up, American success story!
IMHO, this could very well be the start of a possible panic by those who gambled on the ignorance of the ATWT investors and the committment of the ATWT CEO. Time and again people were warned that a stock of a company that is destined for success, will overcome all of the attempts to keep it down. I for one have a hard time "feeling" for folks like this. Even if they were in sljb. Know one knows when, just that it is more than likely.
JMO,
Nez
Stevo,
Check out this gents posting history. Must really know alot about ATWT.
Probably one of those "lurkers" who, as they are trading this stock due to thier excitment over it, just remain silent.
Only other thing I can see, is that those who believe there are pros out there, who work to hurt a stock, may actually be on to something. JMO.
But then again theere might be another thing, for a guy to come right out of the blue to show us the error of our perspective is a really caring thing for him to do. Totally altruistik and Lord knows, we need more folks like this in the world.
JMO,
Nez
Z,
Couldn't agree more!!
In one sense, when the "boo-birds" start showing up, they are here for reasons other than to "save" us from ourselves and in that sense, it does show ATWT is getting noticed!!
JMO,
Nez
IMO, sites like "Market Wire" http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/061113/0183739.html
"InvestoSource"
http://investsourceinc.com/php/viewclient.php?id=27
"Yahoo Finace"
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=atwt.pk
as well as ATWT's own home page,
http://www.atwec.com/news_details.php?nid=43
are all posting this story inspite of the fact that it is not "verifiable!" Come on, give me a break. IMO, these sites are going to be reluctant to release news that is anything but true and verifiable!
JMO,
Nez
Steve,
It does seem to be like beating a "Dead Horse."
I guess those who want to see, see and those that don't, will continue to try and confuse the people new to the SEC web site. This is why in an earlier post, I tried to emphasize the importance of people doing their own DD and not just taking at face value the posts of people they don't even know on the board.
Do you think this is a preview of things to come that will only be put to rest by a "live interview posted by the Chairman of the SEC?!!?"
Nez
hardasset,
"This document was generated as part of a paper submission.
Please reference the Document Control Number 06049450 for access to the original document."
Nez
See what I mean? How do we know that this "internet" thing is not just some false electronic feed by the "evil" ATWT? LOL!!
JMO,
Nez
rvz,
Even before it was posted, folks were trying to down play it!
Say what they want, but the truth is the truth and it never changes. When faced with the truth, I have noticed people who don't like it, will go to great lengths to attemt to dis' it.
People who try to do this don't realize that one of the best confirmations that something is blatantly true, is when those opposed to it, try to distract attention from it by throwing "mud" and hoping it will distract attention from the truth. It'll come to the board if they are consistant.
JMHO,
Nez
That will do!!!!
Can't wait to hear how the "spin doctors" frame this one! LOL
Nez
O.T. Board IN General,
We have all seen posts talking about haw we all have different investing techniques.
FWIW, a post I just read on a post or two ago made me remember why I stopped looking at SLJB and jumped on the ATWT train.
We are at war with many (we don't even know all) nations in the mideast.
That is the reason I stopped my DD of them. I am invested in one Isreali company but I am pretty sure we won't be at war with them. The rest I can't be so sure of. I think when we are involved in a war like this type, we sshould be extra careful. Wouldn't be ironic if the SLJB was a front funne3ling money to places that are not in the worlds best interests?
Better safe than sorry, JMHO,
Nez
Bob,
Do you work for "Investopedia?" LOL
Good post and thanks. One of the more difficult things for newbies to pick up, is the proper nomenclature to use when looking up ideas/concepts. If one does not know what the right "keywords" are then they can't even start to educate themselves. I really appreciate when folks post regardless of the accuracy of the post as long as one can learn from their own DD if it is a "spin job" or not. As long as the post contains real and valid concepts together with the correct nomenclature and other "keywords," then they are just trading based on anonymous opinions of "shadow people" or "cutouts." IMO, this is one of the things which makes on-line trading "scams" possible.
Bob, thanks again and we should all keep in mind that when we post at least we should get the "lingo" right so others can do their own research. The more educated we all become, the more fun it will be to trade! JMO.
IMO, when I realize that ideas or concepts, claims etc. are posted in a manner that makes it difficult to verify, especially for the newbie, then we are most likely being "snowed."
Thanks again bob10103 for posting in a manner which helps us to learn about ATWT but just as importantly, if not more so, also inspires one to do our own DD!
JMHO,
Nez
CPGuy,
I seem to remember that you said you were in college. Are you majoring in psychology? What ever it is, you seem to be getting alot out of it!
Keep up the good work,
Nez
O.T. but not really if you think about it.
Nez
A Different Christmas Poem
The embers glowed softly, and in their dim light,
I gazed round the room and I cherished the sight.
My wife was asleep, her head on my chest,
My daughter beside me, angelic in rest.
Outside the snow fell, a blanket of white,
Transforming the yard to a winter delight.
The sparkling lights in the tree I believe,
Completed the magic that was Christmas Eve.
My eyelids were heavy, my breathing was deep,
Secure and surrounded by love I would sleep.
In perfect contentment, or so it would seem,
So I slumbered, perhaps I started to dream.
The sound wasn't loud, and it wasn't too near,
But I opened my eyes when it tickled my ear.
Perhaps just a cough, I didn't quite know, Then the
sure sound of footsteps outside in the snow.
My soul gave a tremble, I struggled to hear,
And I crept to the door just to see who was near.
Standing out in the cold and the dark of the night,
A lone figure stood, his face weary and tight.
A soldier, I puzzled, some twenty years old,
Perhaps a Marine, huddled here in the cold.
Alone in the dark, he looked up and smiled,
Standing watch over me, and my wife and my child.
"What are you doing?" I asked without fear,
"Come in this moment, it's freezing out here!
Put down your pack, brush the snow from your sleeve,
You should be at home on a cold Christmas Eve!"
For barely a moment I saw his eyes shift,
Away from the cold and the snow blown in drifts..
To the window that danced with a warm fire's light
Then he sighed and he said "Its really all right,
I'm out here by choice. I'm here every night."
"It's my duty to stand at the front of the line,
That separates you from the darkest of times.
No one had to ask or beg or implore me,
I'm proud to stand here like my fathers before me.
My Gramps died at 'Pearl on a day in December,"
Then he sighed, "That's a Christmas 'Gram always remembers."
My dad stood his watch in the jungles of 'Nam',
And now it is my turn and so, here I am.
I've not seen my own son in more than a while,
But my wife sends me pictures, he's sure got her smile.
Then he bent and he carefully pulled from his bag,
The red, white, and blue... an American flag.
I can live through the cold and the being alone,
Away from my family, my house and my home.
I can stand at my post through the rain and the sleet,
I can sleep in a foxhole with little to eat.
I can carry the weight of killing another,
Or lay down my life with my sister and brother..
Who stand at the front against any and all,
To ensure for all time that this flag will not fall."
"So go back inside," he said, "harbor no fright,
Your family is waiting and I'll be all right."
"But isn't there something I can do, at the least,
"Give you money," I asked, "or prepare you a feast?
It seems all too little for all that you've done,
For being away from your wife and your son."
Then his eye welled a tear that held no regret,
"Just tell us you love us, and never forget.
To fight for our rights back at home while we're gone,
To stand your own watch, no matter how long.
For when we come home, either standing or dead,
To know you remember we fought and we bled.
Is payment enough, and with that we will trust,
That we mattered to you as you mattered to us."
LCDR Jeff Giles, SC, USN
30th Naval Construction Regiment
OIC, Logistics Cell One
Al Taqqadum, Iraq
DC,
I don't know what time you bought at but if you'll notice the speed at which the pps was effected, IMO someone is watching this puppy very close and doesn't want it to move....yet. That is another reason why SLJB might give ATWT a "bump." There are gonna be many over the weekend and during the "TDay" break, looking at this one, especially, I don't like to keep harping on it, the SLJB players. IMO, people are gonna have plenty of time to get excited about a real company rather than "crying in their beer!" Americans have a funny habit of once getting throw from the horse the tend to get right back up, brush themselves off and get right bavk on the beast!.
IMO, there will be much "brushing off going on this weekend."
Temps over 102 so I'm all in for the day.
Again, have a good weekend. My apologies to anyone that took a hit on SLJB, believe me, I have been feeling quite a bit of pain too and as long as we all continue to trade, we will experience pain time and again.
Happy TDay. I know there are bigger things in life, but that scene still created large areas of very, very low to negitive pressure, KWIM?!
TTYL,
Nez
Anyone remember any after hours information released or even over the seekend releases? I seem to, but I am far from batting 1000 for memory! I seem to remember there have been some.
FWIW, since SLJB broke and affected so many people, in general, many peoples trading methods have to be adjusted and many might have made "knee jerk" reations" (I hate to use this phrase} which are having a "trickle down effect" on all.
IMO it is resonable to assume many are just starting DD of companys they were ignoring due to the performance of SLJB. The smart thing, IMO, for solid, ligitimate, companys not in question, would be for these companys to give the markets time to absorb the SLJB event, IMHO, it could prove to be a great example of the difference between a questionable investment and a solid one. People just need time to compare. I feel bad for anyone who might have suffered a set back with SLJB, but it might help companys like ATWT, that are not getting the respect they deserve, a new chance to be looked at and noticed. JMO, but folks are gonna be more careful of the quick buck and more interested in solid prospects than before this week.
When someone asked "what will it take for ATWT to move to where we all know it should be, IMO, I thought to myself, it will take alot less for ATWT to reach its proper place than it will for SLJB to regain .15 - .20, again, JMO.
Since the environment has changed, even with good news for ATWT, the market is too distracted by the events at SLJB, for attention to be directed towards companys like ATWT. Although I venture to guess ATWT was already on many "Watch Lists," and with people more inclined to make up any possible losses, maybe ATWT offers a better prospect with less downside. After all, it is pretty much more transparent than other PKs.
JMO,
and have a great weekend all,
Nez
Metro,
Very nice. I have been thinking along the same lines although I have come to this area via "process of elimination." Your post makes sense when viewed against the backdrop of Mr. Wileys record.
Its like night and day when comparing ATWT to other companies who started about the time. However, most of the "others" have long ago fallen by the way side while their CEOs are laying by the seaside..in some exotic non - US country!
TTYL,
Nez
O.T.
Metro,
Why bother? I know you have a good idea what the "gist" of the answers will be.
I am taking comfort in the fact they are here...again. JMO
Nez
O.T
PYPR, " I can't believe this stock is still under a penny!"
Nez
Seems confusion reigns everywhere!! LOL
Maybe people are so used to trading 48 hr. wonders that there are really are not businesses for the long run, people are all in a quandry over a real "American Dream Business."
nez
Stevo
Agree but I'm not taking the chance. Would rather buy ATWT stocks that are sold rather than PYPR simply because I am more familiar with ATWT, I feel it has a better potential and I have seen too many Lebed stocks go down, probably when he sells and more often than not they are sub pennys. He seems to do better with the higher priced but these I have seen drop also. At least he says he has so many millions and he IS going to sell.
Thanks for the input,
Nez
Seeker,
What is to stop mass quatities of ATWT holders from selling at the ask this morning and then buying PYPR at the ask, and then after PYPR launches, selling and getting back into ATWT (@ a lower price than when sold due to all the other ATWT sellers trying to get into PYPR) to increase the # of ATWT shares?
I'm just wondering how, "flipping" PYPR wouldn't work. This is not something I'm planning on doing as I know the Ledbed (?) says in his e-mails that he has quite a few (8 MIL free trading shares) he was compensated for, in return for a one month "investors relations" contract, shares, he states in his e-mail, "I intend to sell?"
Makes me nervous enough to not get involved, I'm probably wrong, but we all do our own thing.
Just wondering how the annoucement won't encourage "flipping?"
TIA,
Nez
Thanks,
abb
OT
Kahuna,
Thanks,
After posting to abb. I remembered he couldn't PM and this is definately off topic.
Thanks again,
Nez
Metro...I know my ignorance is showing again, but I don't have a problem getting to the site...its once I get there when I run into problems! Either I forget how to read, I don't click on the right item or I am reading the wrong material or there is some type of traders code to make it difficult figure out, thus keeping those of us who are "comprehensionally challenged" from playing. Oh yeah, it is always fun when faced with the "choice" of HTML or TEXT. Should be straight forward, I know but just in case this is an area of key importance...What do I do???
TIA and thanks for providing the inspiration to overcome the embarrassing drill of asking!
TIA,
Nez
Stevo,
I used to work around "live aircraft." Many times you had to operate different types of motorized vehicles. From very little to very, very large. The first thing one was trained and then constantly reminded to do was what we called a "walk around" of your vehicle before you started it.
When I was still driving, I used to do this as a matter of habit with our family vehicles and my wife used to say I was overly "by the book." Now, not only is she practicing this, but we have the kids, as they become of driving age doing it too. The younger they get into the habit the more likely it is to become ingrained. That "clip" over the weekend about our "blind spots" while in a vehicle, really hit home.
Only thing I wish Mr. Wiley would come up with is a "cat identifier", wouldn't want to miss the chance to run him over!LOL! I know....sick, couldn't resist. JUST KIDDING ALL YOU CAT PEOPLE, HAVE MERCY!
Nez
O.T.
He is uncanny but then again there are a few over there in his class.
Nez
Metro,
that should leave folks all evened up. I'm glad that one is for you..and this never happened!" LOL!!!
Wonder if there could be basically one or two MMs doing the shorting at the direction of a third party? Can one learn how many are shorting or just how many shares have been shorted?
Guess it doesn't matter as shorting is shorting and if it works for him/her, them, more power to 'em!
TIA,
Nez
OT
professor abb,
This as far as I can go this far off topic, but is it similiar to "Allosteric Regulation of Enzymes?"
Nez