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sorry but bush does a lot that is wrong but he is not evil, his administration believe that what they are doing is the most effective way to fight terror, they believe that a democracy in the heart of the middle east is the only way to prevent terror in the long run by giving hope to the millions of young people who live under repressive regimes, you can only arrest and kill so many terrorists, now i happen to think that democracy is impossible there, but we won't know the true success until 10 years later
you have no evidence of your rants, although i believe they are fighting terrorism the wrong way, their argument is not crazy, do i think they are a little more arrogant and secretive than the average administration, yes, but remember every administration spins and tries to control the prevailing thought in their favor
their is no smoking gun, they simply played up the intelligence they wanted to hear, but deep down they thought they would find weapons of mass destruction, if you don't think that bush thought he would find them then you are crazy
you think he is going to risk his presidency knowing there are no weapons, anybody who goes in knowing there are no weapons is toast, they know the backlash will kill them, look it was a mistake, they definitely played up the intelligence, but they are not going to go into iraq knowing they have no weapons
stick to the black helicopters and your 9/11 theories to which you won't tell us whether you believe them or not
well you are a little off, germany had a history of anti semitism, certainly they were brainwashed but in a sense it was not that hard because hitler was playing on a large anti semetic fervor that was there before he took power
mussollini tried to enact anti semititic laws in italy but the italians would not go for it
as far as you comparing this country to nazi germany you are so far off, i have studied that time period very extensively and there is absolutely no comparison
ZIT THE CHICKEN HAWK CONTINUES TO SPEAK NONSENSE, were you there zit, has any of your family served??????
Bush urges end to TV attack ads by outside groups, whatever their target
By Pete Yost
ASSOCIATED PRESS
10:40 a.m. August 23, 2004
CRAWFORD, Texas – President Bush denounced TV ads by outside groups attacking both John Kerry and himself on Monday and called for a halt to all such political efforts.
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"I think they're bad for the system," he said.
Bush made his comments in response to a question about an ad sponsored by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that said Democrat Kerry didn't deserve his Purple Hearts, lied to get his Bronze Star and Silver Star and unfairly branded all veterans with his 1971 congressional testimony about atrocities in Vietnam.
TOO BAD THE WIMP CAN'T DENOUNCE THE SPECIFIC SWIFT BOAT AD, DOESN'T MATTER, JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO BLOW UP IN HIS FACE, doesn't he realize this just keeps the focus on the fact he ran away from vietnam
Of course there are positive things happening, although I find it funny that Pakistan is pulling these guys out now, but as long as it it is getting done, not good though that we had Khan working on the inside until someone in the Bush team blabbed it to the media thus compromising getting more people
Yes the aftermath is not because our troops are of poor quality, it is because we don't have enough of them, it is because most of iraq does not have electricity, clean running water, because most of the water treatment plants are not working in baghdad, they are dumping raw sewage in the tigris river which is sickening people downstream
because the people don't feel safe, don't have work, don't have electricity, they hate us, we don't have them on our side, we totally screwed this up thinking that we didn't need that many troops and they were going to welcome us with flowers, so again understand the concept that the troops are of great quality who when it was just military against military did a great job, but because of poor planning etc now that it is a guerilla war and the military has to fight a SENSITIVE war they are handstrung from the top and a prisoner to poor planning
anyway your other point that it is only a few hotspots is laughable
let's see latest news
4 marines killed in the Anbar province
1 marine killed in Mosul
Fighting rages on in Najaf
More fighting in Kufa
More fighting in Nasiriya
car bombs in Basra
could go on and on, wow I'm sure the troops are happy you consider that only a couple of hotspots, nice lie pal
and if that wasn't enough here are some more from Sunday
In other violence Sunday:
A suicide attacker detonated a car bomb alongside the convoy carrying a deputy provincial governor, Bassam al-Khadran, in the town of Khalis, north of Baghdad. The blast killed two people and injured 14 others, including al-Khadran, Iraqi officials said.
In Jur al-Nadaf, 12 miles south of Baghdad, attackers sprayed a police vehicle with machine-gun fire, killing two policemen before fleeing, said Col. Adnan Abdul-Rahman of the Interior Ministry.
In Mosul, 225 miles northwest of Baghdad, gunmen opened fire on a car, killing an Indonesian citizen and injuring a Filipino, hospital officials said. Two Iraqis, the car’s driver and a bodyguard, were also killed in the attack, Dr. Dhia Taha said.
In the southern city of Basra, an Iraqi intelligence officer kidnapped nearly a week ago and threatened with death if U.S. and Iraqi forces did not end the violence in Najaf was found dead, his body riddled with bullets, police said Sunday.
well said F6 eom
Ed you are not even close in this area, I never used the word quagmire, I simply stated that the military did a fine job, but that the higher ups did not bring enough troops, had no plan to rebuild the country or maintain peace or have an exit strategy, remember dubya in 2000 we are going to always have a clear exit strategy
and if you can't understand the concept of having a great military but leaders who misuse it then you need to stick to legos
No, I'm talking about 2003, when all major ground operations were done after a several weeks, remember, mission accomplished
and in 91 you seem to forget the amount of weeks of a bombing blitz leading up to the ground war, which did not happen here, stick to tuning your hyundai and stay out of politics
Wow another reason why we lost 1,000 Americans, give Iraq a soccer team, give me a break
too bad you are wrong once again, that was Clinton's military that did mop up Iraq in a few weeks, it was Bush's team who totally messed up how many troops we needed, how to keep the peace, how to reconstruct a country
and now this is Bush's military who are trying to fight a Sensitive War, well only a little over 2 months to go before we get a new commander in chief
Not even in the same league as Google, barely in the same sport
Well now we have two friendly wagers going on, presidency and google, we shall see, I just think the technology google uses is way of ahead of the mainstream, I don't believe tasr is done, but getting back to google, i can't see any real competition, and how they make money, i admit i have no idea beyond advertising, but i rarely have seen a company become such a cultural phenemeneon in less than 5 years, that says a lot, just don't see many people changing to another search engine
to me there is no competition, i can't think of one search engine that comes close
Ed it is simple, I always believe in the Peter Lynch theory of investing, it is about the product, if you believe in the product then invest in it
I am not a numbers man, I could care less about numbers, I believed in xm satellite radio and that is why I told people here to buy at 2 dollars a share, I didn't care when people like jimcharts aka gejim said that it was not profitable yada yada yada, I believed the product was good, that free radio sucked and that eventually satellite radio would become big, now I have yet to be proven right on that, but if you invested you would have 12x your money
you keep bring up jeepcompass prices, that was the only time i gave out inflated prices on a stock and I still believe that if IDCC gets a favorable resolution with Nokia the stock will take off and 100 will be easy to get to
Now back to Google, I don't care about your numbers or anybody's numbers, like with XM it is not about how much subscribers they have, it is about the product, everybody uses google, it is the best search engine out there, I use it hundreds of times a day if I am busy, just their service news.google.com is an unbelievable tool for research, their name has become a part of the national lexicon, this time next year 100 is going to look cheap, and the company has been profitable since 2001 on top of the great product
it is a no brainer, I guarantee the stock is worth twice the amount it is now by next year, probably 3 times, what are your predictions
Google is the microsoft of search engines, it is king, and it doesn't look like anyone is going to knock them off the perch, yeah I know microsoft is going to come out with a search engine, well they came out with the xbox and playstation still rules, I would put my life savings into google right now
yes but there is still time to be a part of the next big if, even at 100+ Google could be that if, and if IDCC gets favorable resolution with Nokia then they could be the next big if
If you had invested 5,000 dollars into microsoft, home depot, or wall mart right after their ipo, you would be a millionaire today
OT Here's another free prediction if you want to triple your money at the very minimum, invest in GOOG, to me it is a no brainer, I gave you XMSR when it was at 2 and change, you would have 12x your money, well now I give you GOOG, not that you guys don't don't already know this, also my dark horse is TIVO
you are right, either way he is screwed, he can't admit anything he did was wrong, he probably will die a slow death with this one
this time around his campaigners are doing a bad job in my opinion
Hey that was based on Nokia coming to the table, didn't think it would drag on this long, no you are a coward cause you won't stand by your prediction, you will be hiding the day after the elections
and if you have no control over it then why the hell are you saying Democrats are crazy to think they have a chance
Not only would that be stupid, you ought to be arrested if you were 99.9 percent certain of anything and did not act on it
ED HOW MUCH DO YOU WANNA BET ON THIS ELECTION, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS, I AM ANNOUNCING TO THIS WHOLE BOARD NOW THAT YOU CAN'T BACK YOUR WORDS, YOU ARE A COWARD IF YOU CAN'T BACK THEM UP
NUMBER ONE WHEN KERRY WINS YOU WILL RUN AND HIDE AND WON'T ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG, I GUARANTEE THAT
AND NUMBER 2 YOU WILL NOT BET WITH ME, IF YOU ARE SO SURE, YOU WANT A LOW FRIENDLY NUMBER, I WILL SEND IN 100 DOLLARS RIGHT NOW TO THE MODERATOR OF THIS BOARD
COME ON TOUGHGUY, YOU ARE BIG WITH WORDS, LETS SEE YOU BACK IT UP WITH ACTION
NY Times sets the record straight on the Swift Boat Liars
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20swift.html?hp
Yes, now lets see how long Bush lets this linger, mark my words he will issue a statement denouncing the ads, if he doesn't he is toast
Rooster, you are right I was wrong that he filled out that report, but he did accept the medal, why did his boat have 3 bullet holes, why was 1 vietcong killed and 5 wounded that day, why did another witness who did fill out the report say all boats were under fire, why is Kerry's crewmates saying they were under fire, why has Rassman said he was under fire, why else was he ducking under water
he's a loser Rooster, if he is a loser then you are worse than pond scum and I doubt that is true, you love to criticize a soldier's actions, have you served your country
F6 perfect strategy by Kerry, let the media talk about it for a couple of weeks, let his surrogates defend him, let the truth gradually come out about the members, today's washington post story is perfect,
Now he takes it right to Bush, now the campaign is back on Vietnam where Kerry wins every time, now Bush has to denounce the ad or this will just swell, and it comes back to who served more in Vietnam, Kerry can't lose on this issue, well Fat Rove blew it big time, if you are Bush you want the Vietnam thing to fade, you don't want more people knowing that Bush ran while Kerry served, and you don't want to remind people of it
Perfect, perfect timing, I am laughing at all this, I love it when liars get exposed and I love it when negative smear ads backfire in the Fat Rove's face
yep end of september, should be fun
How funny that we were discussing this last night, just heard Kerry's statement on Air America radio, the only liberal radio network
good for him, I guess the strategists figure now Bush must respond, good timing to put the heat on right before the convention
ok talk to u soon
what are you talking about the washington post just outed your boy thurlow, read his records for that day, for his own bronze star he states all boats took fire that day
your done
also the move on ads are opinions, they are not lies
F6 it makes sense what you say, I just don't want Kerry to fall victim to Al Gore syndrome, turning into a robot who doesn't attack Bush, during the primaries and the beginning of his campaign anytime the Bush campaign tried something funny, Kerry would be all over it, it was great, he was not backing down like Gore or Dukakis, like when they tried to make the gay marriage thing an issue, he said I want the Republicans to listen good I have the same position Dick Cheney has on gay marriage, and if they want to make an issue of this they have to ask the vice president
all in all i feel good so far, the latest zogby poll has Kerry up by like 5, more if you add Edwards, and Zogby in my experience has been the most accurate poll since I have been following them from the 2000 election, they totally nailed the primaries down
even though I feel confident, I am a little nervous because a million things could go wrong, sure the Republicans will get a little bounce from the convention, probably draw them to even, then it comes down to the debates
I can't see Kerry making the same mistake as Gore last time, Gore who was 3 different people and who started off with that annoying sigh, plus in 1996 senate election Kerry debated his opponent like 11 times and did great, it is going to be the debates where the last independent voters make up their minds
yes you are right about the 527's, only problem with those are the fact that they don't get the same media exposure as the Swift Boat for Lies group, but you are right I'm sure the LIes group will be a non issue by September and they might even have worked against themselves by keeping the spotlight on the fact that Kerry went to Vietnam while Bush snorted Coke (haha, just kidding, I think)
I don't know how the book unfit for command is so high on the list already, probably the same millionaires who are funding them, bought thousands of copies themselves, when you got money to burn and you are in the business of hate anything is possible, in the end I think this will backfire and might even be a turning point for Kerry, the far right tried like hell to destroy Clinton and he only got stronger, let's hope the same thing
one thing for sure they are scumbags that group, the same group who smeared McCain in South Carolina, and as much respect I have for McCain I don't know why he is out there kissing the backside of Bush
was surprised to see Warner from Virginia stick up for Kerry's military record, I think that is his last name
f6, do you think the Kerry campaign strategy of not attacking those ads more is smart, I guess the thinking is if they make more of a deal it just attracts attention, but I have heard some say that it already is gaining attention and they should be out there hammering it
OT, the website just says you have to sign them, does not say you have to notorize them or have them endorsed
I have to send them into transfer online, so you are saying they will relay them back into my scottrade account
anyway thanks for all of your help
OT old dog, that is the weird thing, but if you read it says if you are a broker and have more than 20 clients it tells you the steps to have the cert delivered into the owners name
here's the deal i bought a certain number from the symbol jgmha, those are the ones they have mailed to me
then i later bought a certain number jaghv, those have stayed in the account although i can't sell them now
now the stock is jagh
ok but let's say there is nothing i can do, i have to send them in to get transferred, now what happens, can transferonline send them back to scottrade, how do i get them back into a broker so i can sell them when it gets to a desired price
they certainly didn't do a good job, but you have no proof they did nothing, you are another conspiracy nut like easymoney who can't even answer the question of who she thinks did 9/11, were you not watching the bin laden tape when he admits to orchestrating it, surely if this was the government, then there must be some whistleblower, someone who felt bad about killing americans, where is the evidence of the hijackers meeting with american government officials, or surrogates of the american government, you really need a brain
show us proof jagoff
pretty funny eom
why is it truth, because you say it is, more hearsay, show us evidence, there was never any evidence of the government having the names and date of 9/11
what posts, don't you reply to people so we know what the hell you are talking about
OT DD, have to pick it up at the post office tomorrow, this is a weird case the company is jag media, they are going through a recapitilization, getting off the DTC, too many people were illegally shorting the stock, if u go to transferonline.com u will see the logo for jag media in the lower left corner and that will explain more
but scottrade told me i have to send in the certificates to transfer online, waiting to speak with someone from scottrade in more detail tomorrow, but i can't just do nothing, they already sent the certs in my name and told me that i have to deal with jag
i don't know, basically if i wanted to sell it tommorow i couldn't
just confused, thanks for helping, if you can think of anything else, let me know
I agree that it boils down to a myriad of things went it comes to the economy and the markets, just saying it is interesting because everybody assumes that republicans are better for the market and the economy
well the study did the markets in general, and then broke it up when then the nasdaq did come into existence, it included s and p
A study done over the last 60 years has shown that the Dow and Nasdaq has grown at a higher percentage under Democratic administrations then Republican ones, and the economy has also done significantly better