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Insights are anyone's guess. I've been part of this mess for nearly 20 years. It looks like a they are on life support with only mass dilution as an option to secure funds to extend trials, which will only elongate the inevitable. Our shares are pretty much useless, imo, I still watch with doubting hope. Gfp seems to garner more detailed info when something of minimal substance arises. He must enjoy watching roadkill die.
I'm going to hold strong until I see where the rev's go throughout 2015. The growth is correlating to the recent SP increase, so it seems very stable at this level. Buying support is strong here. A strong, high revenue based acquisition would load the spring. She seems to be garnering legit street interest. The pieces are being put in place to explode revenue thru international sales and coffee distribution over the next few years, but that needs to start showing up in the Q's. If they don't get greedy thru internal profit and share distribution, shareholder patience should pay off exponentially.
Well hot dog....after 5 years of holding this old girl, my shares have finally entered into the black. Feels like I just gave birth. What a rollercoaster ride to get back to even. Feels like she is set for success. A few more strong mergers thru 2015 and strong Q's and a double seems likely by year's end.
Utilize the shelved shares wisely my friends and the bag holders may finally get their deserved reward,
It would appear the bail is on. Flat stock and volume for years. Strange timing unless the end is near or someone is privy to something.
It would appear, the mice have all croaked.
Premium,
If you expand the chart to 2 years, technically, a large slide would follow this spike. I do believe improved fundamentals will change the pattern, and based on their guidance should, but you have to admit that the action is eerily familiar.
Not whining, just hoping for a consistent change in direction. And don't worry, if YGYI is over a dollar within the next 12 months, you'll never hear a peep out of me again. I'll be drinking JCOF coffee until I'm in the dirt. I want some bean money!
When you've been in this bottom feeder for as long as I have, you tend to get a little edgy when the once a year spike is followed by a quick retreat. If Q1 brings big numbers, we should recoup and then some. If not, it's going to be another long year. They need to follow up with strong and direct pr's for steady growth and expansion. I want to see big things to come, but technically, she doesn't hold her mud. By month's end a new base will form...I just hope it's in the .40 plus cent range.
FWIW, I don't see you as a pumper, just an eternal optimist. My glass has been half empty for years.
GLTY as well.
Trading like a real stock...If it doesn't crawl back in its hole and disappear for 8 more months. A real stock maintains buyer interest with consistent volume. Sellers are fine too as long as there are buyers to replace them. That doesn't appear the case. Being a relative penny stock with real earnings and an international sales force, you would expect far more volume. There exist scam penny stocks that trade more consistent than YGYI. I'm simply saying I was expecting more support this go round. I don't expect straight up without ground breaking news.
I'm just venting watching her slide back towards the 20's. Solid finish to the day but time will tell yet again.
Also sick of hearing how everyone is buying but there was a mere 3800 shares traded by noon today. That sounds like pure pumping to me. To the far left we have Bodhi. To the far right we have apples and oltimer. Somewhere in between is a rational thought.
Tate,
Every time I go positive on this POS, she kicks me in the nuts with a sharp-toed boot. I was half a penny from going green on this old whore and she snatched it away once again.
It looked like better accumulation with sustained volume, but as usual the volume has been dissipating and the bottom has begun to fall out. The trickle will continue unless they can pull huge first quarter numbers. Same old story. I was hoping for a mid to upper .30's base prior to Q1, but that appears to be out the window. How about under promise and over deliver for a change. Follow up with a promising merger or a beneficial to shareholder use of the held shares.
The pumpers that say they are buying blocks at these levels are clearly lying as there is no volume to validate those statements. They all say they hold half million to million plus shares, yet the volume is once again meek. Not sure who to believe around here, but clearly large holders wouldn't being buying minuscule blocks just to say they are.
Holding and waiting again.
Ouch. Price support fails once again.
There you go Oltimer...your buying opp awaits.
Hey Tste,
As skeptical and negative as I have been about this stock, company, management, and business model, I now see things shaping up. I have rolled over. Technically, she's trading much better. Fundamentally, she's in better shape than ever before with many variable revenue sources. The sustained volume and steady accumulation finally speaks volumes. If management can follow through at this level and do something amazing with the outstanding shares, we will be exponentially rewarded. I was ready to bail about a month ago, but am now holding strong simply based on how the stock has begun to trade. Not only do I feel we are going to get back to even, I think we will see large profit in our shares at these levels. I averaged down to a break even at .40 so my head is nearly out of the water. A double from here seems very doable if the next two weeks of PR's show important growth indicators including revenue expansion and growth with an expanding bottom line. Time will tell, but I think we are golden at this level. You've waited this long, you might as well wait a little longer and hopefully get paid for your patience and misery. GL!
She is indeed setting up well....increased buying pressure, sustained volume, great PR timing. I must say, my attitude has swayed. Resistance will be in the rear view mirror if she can hold upper 30's this week. I'm about to go green on this old hooker. Run baby run.
Hot Diggity...there indeed is accumulation at this level which is astounding.
I think we have been in the same canoe. It does feel slightly different this time around. Trading range has tightened with more volume. I feel more upside than down at this level as well. If they can deliver some solid PR's and a growing Q1, targets should be in play. Who knows, I may see green on this pig after all. If mgt could find a massive revenue stream with the shelved shares or find a way to reduce them, then the longs would be well rewarded. Time will tell, but she is looking better than she has in a long time. Beer goggles off.
Then my angst was misguided. If you picked up large blocks at bottom barrel then you are in the 1% of YGYI shareholders. Consider it what you will, well played or lucky. It grows old for me. Premium has been here a dogs age and I nearly as long. Hell I spoke to Pumper by phone back in the day.
I've since accumulated to minimize loss by averaging down and expected far more buyers and volume as this MLM machine progressed. My glass will remain half empty until I see reciprocated shareholder value. Trust me when I say, I would be as happy as anyone here to see a double or more in the not to distant future.
He's not worth my time to review his old posts to verify when he came aboard, and until he says something of substantiated value, I will ignore the rhetoric.
I'm not as easily impressed with YGYI...down a penny with 16k shares traded. Talk about momentum. Train leaving the station...whatta joke. There are more sheep on this board than bashers. If more people would freely think then this board might be more worthy of reading. Small fills at the ask aren't going to prop YGYI for more than that trading day. The excitement shall again subside with the lack of street interest. As I said, I have been here before as have you.
I'm not quite sure who you are targeting as a paid basher, but I hold 400k shares of this dog and I am a realist. You blindly cheerlead without merit. Show me the fundamental and/or technical data to back up your claims. There is no price support of this stock, period. It is obvious. YGYI's P/E is beginning to make her look more attractive and if her revenue can continue to grow with a closely trailing bottom line, then more investors will come. But it is not happening today or anytime in the weeks to come unless a large merger is announced or shares are rescinded. Period.
If you are up 40% at these levels, then that would mean that you purchased your shares at the absolute bottom, which I find extremely hard to believe. Either you are the luckiest trader on this board or you are a liar. Feel free to disclose your positions and dates of purchase as I have, and maybe your cheerleading will be accredited. On the flip side, I do feel Bodhi has an agenda.
We have been here before....simply look back 8 months. There is no sustainable volume. If she could
break resistance of .32-.34 on high volume, then a new bottom would settle in. YGYI will drift back like fixed pony. She definitely is setting herself up with better fundamentals, but no one again seems interested. We need millions of shares trading hands, not tens of thousands. That's peanuts with YGYI's float. Someday I hope to be wrong about this two timing slut, but today is not that day. The next Q should offer some growth insight.
I've built several businesses. None have failed.
Building revenue thru direct marketing does take time, yes.
I read the report, I did not listen the the call. More white noise I am sure.
How much patience do you have. Mine has run thin.
Selling is not an option with the amount of shares I hold on such a thinly traded stock.
The lack of interest in this stock is pathetic. I'm sure you would even agree.
They overly diluted without a specific immediate use for the shares and by doing so have put a ceiling on the share price. I'm sure you would agree with that as well. I made that statement the day they announced it many years ago.
Growing via acquisition is not sustainable. At some point organic growth is necessary unless they have bottomless pockets, which they don't. Economics 101.
Direct marketing is pitched and bread thru profit distribution within the pyramid.
Many invested years ago in a the rapidly growing coffee sector and got an pinched.
I am waiting on the big dump this board claimed and then I will wait for buyers to come in with more volume to try and exit at a slightly better price. No worries.
If you're happy with your investment value of ygyi, then you are probably standing alone. Growth is decent. Projection is reasonable. Execution to create shareholder value is feeble.
If I am wrong on any of these points, please enlighten me, otherwise I will continue to vent during my monthly ygyi period, waiting all too patiently on the next Q while enjoying share price and volume stagnicity.
Cheers.
The mass dilution without an immediate plan of action for use of those shares was the demise.
A pyramid scheme will always fully distribute the wealth internally. Ygyi will never show a large bottom line profit.
A mass merger with use of those shares seems the only possible saving grace.
I'm waiting for all those that said they were going to dump their shares to start dumping. Still no volume either direction. A lot of meaningless barking on this board. YGYI is like the ugly girl in the corner at the school dance...no one pays attention to her no matter what she does.
I don't think it's crap. DD usually matters, but not when it comes to this security. YGYI simply doesn't react as a sales driven equity should on high growth earnings. I'm down nearly 70k on paper and am not willing to take the loss as of yet. So I'm a bag holder waiting on a miracle or proof of street interest. Neither exists at this point. I'm not going anywhere and will gladly offer my disdain as I see needed.
All I'm saying is that if the year-end numbers don't drive volume and a rise in share price, then a sell off seems logical based on comments from many on this board. Thinly traded with a selloff means a substantial drop in share price. Again, only if the numbers next Monday don't bring new buyers to the table. Unless of course, board members here are just barking out of frustration. We'll know in 6 days.
Good luck to you as well as we are in the same boat, just harboring different levels of optimism.
Not blind...just a first hand witness to the consistently poor reaction of the stock, quarter after quarter on consistent revenue growth and projection. As Freddie Mercury and I have said, nothing really matters.
Many here say they are about to dump after the upcoming year end Q report if there is not a positive market reaction. If so, the stock is sure to drop on the sell off. Simple common sense. Does it make sense, probably not, but some reasoning must exist as to why this stock trades so poorly on such weak volume. Time will tell and time is running out for many.
Yeah right. More pumping without merit. Doing DD is pointless. The stock doesn't react to fundamental or technical markers. Patience has worn thin and a dump the size of Godzilla is coming if this Q does't cause a run up. If so, mid to low teens are imminent and large share bag holders will be trapped yet again. Luck is the only thing that will help people on this board. The PR's don't do jack. Insider buying don't do jack. The mass dilution buried this stock and those shares remain an anchor on the share price.
They only like it if it fills. No volume at a half penny bid up. If that amount hit the ask I would feel someone wanted it. I'm sure it will disappear should the ask drop. Paltry interest continues to be the norm.
Yep and there in lies the problem. Talk about a lack of integrity. It's no wonder no new money comes to this POS.
The report almost seemed like a cut and paste. When I read it, it didn't seem plausible to mention YGYI in the likes of companies like Pepsi, Coca cola and Dr Pepper. I wonder how many shares Zacks got for this bait. They must be giving away company stock like toilet paper. And we were supposed to get excited over a few trite open market purchases by the over compensated executives. Looks like I'm on the bottom right corner of the pyramid, stuck in the shade, nuts deep in bull-shat, waiting on a trickle.
It certainly accounts for the volume. I'm a bit surprised that the SP did't trace upward a bit more being that Zacks is fairly well subscribed. Tomorrow will tell as many don't receive or review info until after market close. There appears to be strong selling pressure in this stock as patience has wore thin for many bag holders...me being one of them. But I will continue to hold like a glazed over DF.
It would be nice to know that they knew the stock was going up in the very near future, but that is clearly not the case. The stock has not reacted since the insider purchases began, and probably won't as a result going forward.
And if they did indeed know something that is not privy to other investors, then they are complete morons for purchasing stock on the open market, as they would be in SEC violation and subject to a class action lawsuit and penalty.
These random small buys are as confusing to me as anything else that happens with this stock. The Q1 report may change things, but for some reason, this sales model is not being viewed as sustainable by the street. As Auricgoldfinger mentioned, arising regulatory issues could be playing a roll as well. IMO, Wallach needs to acquire a single respected sales windfall with his remaining shares nearing the half billon dollar mark, which is obviously easier said than done. He needs to create some strength and credibility and stop piece-mealing the company's revenue stream through these random, misdirected, mediocre acquisitions. A mass merger will put many questions to rest as to his final vision and intentions, and maybe then YGYI will secure some large, stable investors.
Hardcopy,
I'm neither pretentious nor naive. Apples comment implies the later.
I harbor certain expectations when investing a company that can now yield over 200 million in annual gross revenues. Being able to create exposure thru various channels is one of them. Pardon the sacarsm, but I didn't realize it was my duty as a 150k plus investor to have to spread the news of this white elephant to my family and friends. As your request, I will get on with posting the stock of 2015 to my 400 avid Facebook followers. That should make one hell of a difference. If apples comment changes the direction of the stock, then I am clearly in the wrong business. I didn't realize obvious bias and false claims made a difference. Now that Apples is a holder of this stock, he touts random "Buy, Buy, buy" messages on a board full of YGYI investors. Forgive me if that isn't a tad insulting, as that is all that has been here for years, without merit and any change in stock direction mind you.
I will gladly spread an investment opportunity to my deep pocket friends once this stock starts behaving with fortitude and integrity. Until then, unlike many others, I would feel a sense of guilt baiting others into a stock that clearly does not perform for uncertain reasons. This company has many celebrity types as well as other high dollar opportunists that have become aware of them through their MLM distribution model. None of which seem to want to be on board for various reasons. That speaks volumes.
Do I want this stock to go to the moon, hell yes. Am I a basher, hell no. I'm simply sick of hearing about where this stock should be and how many people are reinvesting more and more on this board, yet the stock stumbles backwards again and again and again. If exposure is the problem, they clearly are going about it all wrong.
Don't sound like a paid sponsor. Great news, yes. Horrible market reaction as usual. Paltry volume...still no interest. Not sure what it's going to take, but clearly the street doesn't like this stock for unbeknowst reasons. A PR like today should have brought on the fence buyers to the table. I don't get it.
Clearly there is no near-term insider news or they would be setting themselves up for SEC investigation. There is nothing to look forward to here other than the next quarter earnings report or a ground breaking acquisition, which again would jeopardize their recent purchases.
I think you are balanced on this board. I'm probably the board pessimist and Premium the board optimist. I wish I had never crossed YGYI's path years ago. I played a coffee trend that was in favor at the time, and got Scott Pumpered. I know I should get over it, but I spoke to Pumper directly by phone and he suckered me like a stooge, as well as many others, and the hell if I'm going to sit idly by and witness it all over again. There is no proof that this company is better off than it was then, other than reported acquired sales, that may or may not be real. Hell, if Enron can cook books, certainly an over the counter traded company could as well. Trading stock for sales is far from a great business model. There is no supportive volume either, which should exist by now. Insiders, their family members, sales monkeys, etc., know far more than we do, and yet the see no reason to buy this stock. That has been bothering me for years. The herbalife conundrum plays a negative role here as well. If it tastes like a pyramid scheme and it smells like a pyramid scheme, then...
I'm sure there will be some capital loss selling this month which could further suppress share price. So I guess Feb, 2015 sets up the next trade opportunity.
Holding and hoping for a better 2015.
Smoke and Mirrors...
Herbalife (HLF) shares have been spiraling, financials are an absolute mess and George Soros slashed his holdings by about 60% earlier this month. Could it possibly get any worse? Oh yes it can, says Tony Sagami of Mauldin Economics. "Timing is everything, but I have very little doubt that Herbalife's stock will be significantly lower a year from now," he said. Sagami offered up a deep, Bill Ackman-esque bear case, in which he explained that "the biggest red flag I see is the abusive financial engineering that Herbalife is using to prop up its stock." In a word: buybacks. "Herbalife wasted hundreds of millions of dollar of shareholder money by buying stock at much higher prices," he said. "And now that revenue, profits, and free cash flow generated by operations are shrinking, Herbalife is on a collision course with insolvency."
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You need a sense of humor to own this stock....just venting thru tasteless comedy.
I have a guess as to why he would bother with such a meaningless purchase...
He had a trusted friend that screwed his wife when he was out of town on business so he thought the best way to get back at him was to buy him some shares of YGYI...suffer man, suffer! Now you'll too know what it's like to commit to something that continually keeps kicking you in the balls!
All of these numbers sound glamorous. Growth is evident and revenues should be sustainable.
WHAT WILL WALLACH DO WITH HIS SHARES!
That is the question that dictates the future for YGYI shareholders. If the shares go towards near-term correlative growth, then there will be hope for us. Patience is wearing thin for longs that have been through the depths with this company and Mr. Wallach alone is holding the lid on this stock. The board acts as if they do not understand the disconnect between the company and the stock, well, dissolve the shelved shares and grow organically and I assure you the stock will follow the revenue.
8300 shares traded after a recording breaking Q conference call is beyond telling. No one is coming near this stock, not even the privy. That makes zero sense unless there is an awareness behind closed doors. Why buy stock if the rewards are coming internally. Why tell your family and friends to invest in YGYI if you know the future of the company and how it will eventually distribute her wealth. Something is definitely amiss.
I was thinking the very same thing....privy, greedy, bastard!
Wallach holds the key to the ignition....he has an immediately available option to make shareholders rich or himself and his cronies selfishly filthy rich. The share price is pending and immediately reflective of his shelved share vision and use. I believe this wild card is the single most important reason as to why there is a strong lack of buyers and street interest in this stock.
Lake,
I appreciate the candor. I am simply adding more to recoup my upside down position. I too added 100k shares over the past 6 trading days at 19.5- .21. Again, I added to day trade them to minimize losses, as I see a bottom in at .18-.22. I will dump the 100k near .30 as I see resistance and lack of support at that level. It appears between myself, yourself, and premium, we are the only buyers interested at this time as this week's buying volume barely meets our purchases. Pretty ridiculous for a company doing 100 million in sales.
Having a little fun Lake.
You and Premium state you are buying on the dips yet the volume is abysmal. I don't doubt your large stake here, but those comments seem like hogwash unless you happen to be buying 1000 share increments, which again seems highly unlikely since you hold well over a million shares.
I have bought a recent 100k to trade and I will dump them as the share price again nears .30. This stock is at record lows yet set for record growth. Explain the disconnect and I'll stop the mockery. YGYI lives in the number one market for MLM distribution. International growth will play a relative role if they can gain a larger market share than they have established in their homeland. Execution apparently lacks luster as no one, and I mean no one on the street sees value here other than the million share club that resides on this board. Wasting time on YGYI diligence is simply that, a waste of time, as it is irrelevant. YGYI trends lower for no reason, substantiated or not, and no amount analysis or market understanding is going change that.
Full Disclosure: I'm nearing 400k shares and I clearly want to see this pig get up and start running, but the reality is that she is not for whatever ludicrous reason you can come up with.
We need to make Valeria Lukyanova the Russian spokesperson. She can live on air only. She is an alien. No marketing regulations. Be the next Russian Barbie...drink Beyond Tangy Tangerine....it's out of this world. Preferred drink of air-eating aliens. Side effects could be but are not limited to loss of gravity, loss of appetite, extra large eyes, shrinking waste line, dis-proportionate boobs. I could go on forever. Fun stuff.
Taste,
I'm sure Mountain was being sarcastic. We are all in the same boat and the hype machine doesn't match the share price at any level.
You are correct about Russia. Separation of classes is ginormous. I thought the same thing. I doubt billionaires will be running to enter the MM market and I sincerely doubt the poor bastards without food and heat are going to head to the YGYI rally in hopes of selling $50 eye cream and vitamin drinks. That YGYI market doesn't seem to fit there. Western European countries probably and maybe Japan, but Russia? Next they will tap into the highly sought Northern Africa region. LOL.