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Hi Lebosco, you are not missing anything as we are just not used to seeing any facts and that my friend is the 110 year old firm's assets that they held on 1/24/2008. They are very easy to find as this company did annual reports for many years and not to mention, acountants who know what they held. Remember Susman's element of surpise will be just when the criminals have this as a "Wrap" guess who will show their 100 billion dollar hand? Yes, you know and have NOT forgotten these very expensive things called assets!
fsshon, I want to thank you for all of your dedication and unwavering support for the "right cause" and you will be forever remembered for all of your time and quality due diligence on this case that hopefully will be exposed around the world. This exposure may due some short term harm to the economy but in the long term this would be an excellent example of "the greater good" for our society worldwide.
Strike, sure is NOT anything they teach in our education system, unless that is a special class with only select invitations...LOL
Strike, it is not IF she will go down, she already has! After two years of playing with her partner Rosen and we do not even have a clue of what transpired on that fateful day in Sept. 2008, she should be charged with aiding and abetting bankruptcy fraud along with a host of others. This would have been over in much less than 12 months had the asset/transaction list surfaced. If she would have used contempt of court for not producing it, I guarantee you the list would have appeared right before the criminals were carted off to jail.
McChief, unfortunately, her actions speak far LOUDER than words and I have long felt (due to her actions w/Rosen) she is nothing but a WOLF in sheep clothing!
POR denied-1/31/2011-could be the trigger date for the FDIC.
I have read posts about what 1/31/2011 really means when referencing the POR and some people think this is when the Global Settlement REALLY ends and others think for the GS to really end, one of the players has to opt out after 1/31/2011 in writing. This makes sense to me and what really makes more sense to me would be that the FDIC actually start calling the shots by dealing with the EC directly, knowing if they make a deal with the EC, then this case is all over with releases to everybody except maybe Weasel/Gotcha and Mangle. One would really have to ask the question, with the EC in control-why would they let Weasel/Gotcha and Mangle off the hook?
If Rosen comes up with another POR, apparently he can start the process all over again with the no expiration unless, of course, one of the parties opts out and puts it in writing, since after 1/31/2011 the agreement is implied with the FDIC. I highly doubt they would do this as it would gain way too much attention and it would be best just to carry on without bringing that kind of attention. The other 300 billion dollar question is when does Susman bring on his magic? I would assume Susman has to reply to the Judge’s opinion by the end of 1/21/2011, as that would be two weeks from the opinion.
I still say that the criminals cannot let Susman show the true evaluation and asset list as that would show the Government seized a solvent bank and that shot would be heard around the world, so I suggest this probably never happens. Then how does this go down? Susman would show the criminals what he has behind closed doors and advises them to meet his demands or he goes public and if they bluff, this whole criminal activity blows up. This kind of justice is what this country really begs for but I highly doubt happens. I think the date of 1/31/200 could really be important as it gives the FDIC their freedom from Rosen. This could be all this case is waiting for since the criminals now know they have to pay for their freedom with the current POR in the deep six position.
I believe this case is suddenly over at some point soon or the EC/TPS work towards getting rid of Rosen and start the cram down process. Of course, this would require rulings from the Judge which the market would then start to value all equities accordingly, as the case goes through stages when decisions are made. This way it would be easier for the world to grasp as opposed to a sudden settlement where the common stock was trading at six cents a share and then all of a sudden revalued at anywhere from ten dollars a share to over one hundred dollars a share, depending on one’s belief.
Uzual, I would like to think that according to the law decisions would be made in the correct text, but there is nothing about this case that is "according to the law". There is no way in hell the Judge unseals this if there is anything to do with valuation or exposing vital information about this case. Why would she do this after the Judge's rant in her written opinion which is the EXACT same as her partner Rosen, in that "there is no money for equity" rant. If the information that is sealed is a important as we think, this Judge would look like a fool after we all know she knows what is sealed and then she writes an opinion like that in the recent POS POR....sorry no way, no how does she unseal this and I WANT TO BE wrong but ones actions tell exactly what one will do in most cases!
Within the first few weeks of the chapter 11 filing, I was wondering why there was not any paperwork presented on what transpired. I let it go for months but that ALWAYS puzzeled me. I was really on to this Judge when the US Trustee showed up and she was basically mean to him and that really bothered me as if "what the hell are you doing here ruining our plan" but I also passed this off as what else could I do. Then on the very last day of those exhaustive Confirmation Hearings and she iwas taking a lot of time with Rosebud trying to get the exact language down on the releases, as if she was trying to find a way to pass this B.S. That really bothered me along with many, many other examples along the way and of course it ws confirmed in her opinion.
Unfortunately Uzual, she is part of the OVERALL corruption. If she was not in bed with Rosen from day one on this, she wold have demanded an assist list, the contract or something to show her what happened so the COULD make an informed decision. I think Walrath/Rosen were handpicked and counseled by some very high people in Government. I am one that judges one on their actions because unfortunately again, most people lie when it comes to money and dirty laundry.
The bet here has NEVER been on an investment but a bet on CORRUPTION-does it win partially, totally or not at all? Well, now you know one thing for sure, everybody including the entire law firm (s) have been compromised and now they only have to get to Susman and this is where I think we win partially. Susman will probably not get anywhere close to what we should get, but I think he will do a little better than ZEROED out or at least that is what I have a HUGE bet on.
I still say you will NEVER see an asset list with valuation-maybe numbers tossed around but no list with valuation and this is because they can not due to proving the US Government stole a solvent bank. The rest of the world would have major problems with the US and quit buying ou debt and a host of other problems. There will be a stock swap and assumption of preferred and it will be over quietly on an extended holiday weekend or SOME Friday evening.
Fsshon, failing has to happen in a free market place or otherwise the system can not work in a free society. The reason JPM is the cancer that they are is because this GARBAGE has been going on entirely to long for a free market society to prosper.
fsshon,
You may already have read my post, but I was very curious on your opinion for Monday as I feel the same way I will take it one step further to show you how I think this will or could go now. I would like your thoughts and thank you.
JPM only way out-Total stock swap!
With the major announcement FINALLY made-POR denied the real case can now start since the EC was fourteen months behind the original filing of the WMI Chapter 11 case. Regardless of what the naysayer’s say the POR is denied, so what the Judge said in her opinion-means nothing without facts IMHO. With that said, this Friday’s ruling was the trigger to make them serious and I am sure this weekend the Susman team is very busy.
Even though Rosebud is still in control-he is for practical purposes not in control at all. The EC through Susman has been busy with PJS for the last 9-12 months gathering data, facts, filing and more to prove this once giant of a corporation called WaMu will prove once and for all this company was/is worth more now than ever due to the tax law change (NOLs), refunds and more. When you look at all of our due diligence and the infamous Dr. A. valuation of 54 billion, unjust enrichment, the total Estate, infringement and much more you will see why I believe the following is in fact very true.
I believe JPM/FDIC and all of the rest of the criminals only have one way out and that is to buy WMI, lock stock and barrel including all current and future litigation. This could happen with zero cash and may be what JPM has building toward, knowing we may not want to sell the rest of the company. Since they have many people here thinking if they got a dollar a share, they would think what a deal and sell in a heartbeat. That is TOTALLY wrong as WMI just gained a HUGE advantage-what happens to the criminals if Susman/PJS actually shows the correct and exact valuation.
This would shock Wall Street, the entire financial world community and anybody that has a sense of business savvy, this would make the entire US population go berserk in a negative way and that is why JPM must offer a 3 to 1 stock swap to make this go away, lock stock and barrel. Yes, I know this is over $120.00 a share, but at least a third of this will be lost in dilution, which has to be figured in. All preferred stock will be assumed and probably with no back interest or other as anybody at this point would gladly accept.
JPM only way out-Total stock swap!
With the major announcement FINALLY made-POR denied the real case can now start since the EC was fourteen months behind the original filing of the WMI Chapter 11 case. Regardless of what the naysayer’s say the POR is denied, so what the Judge said in her opinion-means nothing without facts IMHO. With that said, this Friday’s ruling was the trigger to make them serious and I am sure this weekend the Susman team is very busy.
Even though Rosebud is still in control-he is for practical purposes not in control at all. The EC through Susman has been busy with PJS for the last 9-12 months gathering data, facts, filing and more to prove this once giant of a corporation called WaMu will prove once and for all this company was/is worth more now than ever due to the tax law change (NOLs), refunds and more. When you look at all of our due diligence and the infamous Dr. A. valuation of 54 billion, unjust enrichment, the total Estate, infringement and much more you will see why I believe the following is in fact very true.
I believe JPM/FDIC and all of the rest of the criminals only have one way out and that is to buy WMI, lock stock and barrel including all current and future litigation. This could happen with zero cash and may be what JPM has building toward, knowing we may not want to sell the rest of the company. Since they have many people hear thinking if they got a dollar a share, they would think what a deal and sell in a heartbeat. That is TOTALLY wrong as WMI just gained a HUGE advantage-what happens to the criminals if Susman/PJS actually shows the correct and exact valuation.
This would shock Wall Street, the entire financial world community and anybody that has a sense of business savvy, this would make the entire US population go berserk in a negative way and that is why JPM must offer a 3 to 1 stock swap to make this go away, lock stock and barrel. Yes, I know this is over $120.00 a share, but at least a third of this will be lost in dilution, which has to be figured in. All preferred stock will be assumed and probably with no back interest or other as anybody at this point would gladly accept.
Tomorrow's consequences of decision.
If I understand this correctly a positive ruling for DimeQ will give them the full claim of 373 million dollars which will put the LTW’s (litigation tracking warrants) back together with the award under the WMI holding company umbrella. Now I know the holding company would then be responsible for the debt of the LTW’s but there will be a net gain for the WMI, thus potentially making A>L. If I understand this correctly a positive ruling for DimeQ SHOULD make all of WMI securities fly tomorrow.
Rosen will probably file a claim to the winning ticket saying the ticket was in a safe deposit box at one of the former WaMu branches last night and now it is missing. He will tie the money up for the next three years as anything that has any major value belongs to JPM and if do not believe me, ask them!
Mary, you are correct and thank you. I was drawing attention to the $9.00 to $12.00 gap that the investors are leaving on the table in the last couple of months of trading WAHUQ. That is a GREAT feeling!
WAHUQ-These securities tell a tale-A hidden secret!
I believe the trust securities (WAHUQ) made a deal for about $33.00 and if I am not mistaken they should be worth $50.00 a piece (face value) along with the unpaid interest for 2/12 years. Now to me, the way this is playing out or should play out these securities should get the correct face value, assuming this POR gets cancelled.
We have to realize the majority of the world (99.9%) does not have a clue about the WaMu tragedy. My point being is the people that DO KNOW about this investment of a lifetime only have so much money they can allocate to this, whether it be Hedge Funds or Joe Six Pack. When we look at the four securities, WAHUQ, WAMPQ, WAMKQ and WAMUQ, one would think if I am going to buy into a company that is trading in chapter 11, what would be the safest investment vehicle? That would be an easy question for those of us that know and that would be WAHUQ.
With WAHUQ trading at only $23.00 with the potential to go much higher, especially if the POR is turned down, why would these shares NOT be trading much, much higher? I believe there can only be one explanation as to why these savvy people would leave a 35 to 60 percent guaranteed (almost) return on the table. To me these actions by the large money players makes me feel very good about all of these securities including the common shares (WAMUQ) of WMI. Investment savvy people would NEVER leave a 35-60 percent guaranteed return on the table unless on this same table there was a far SUPERIOR return and that would be ANY of the remaining securities of WMI. With WAHUQ closing today at only $23.00, this SHOULD make ALL players here feel really good the investment savvy players are leaving this kind of return on the table.
Sly, the way the releases are written, the criminals would be protected from ANYTHING in the entire world that can ANYWAY be related to ANYTHING criminal/wrongdoing/unethical, that would have happened between the time the criminals were born and until death and nothing can be taken from their estate, so in a sense it would be impossible to acuse them of anything other than breathing!
dmceng, here you go and I hope this helps.
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Again, FDIC says WaMu cost it NOTHING!
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) estimated that Frontier Bank's failure in April will cost the deposit-insurance fund $1.37 billion -- more than any bank in state history, and nearly equal to the cost of the 10 other Washington banks combined. (Because of WaMu's corporate structure and the way its takeover was handled, the FDIC says it cost the deposit-insurance fund nothing.)
http://eresearch.fidelity.com/eresearch/goto/evaluate/news/basicNewsStory.jhtml?symbols=WAMUQ&product=BUSNEWS_&provider=KRTRIB__&storyid=201101010332KRTRIB__BUSNEWS_16832_40094&hlinks=vnhl
No worries as this case has a way of making ANYBODY crazy with all of this hidden agenda. Sure makes one think twice about the country I grew up in and Oh, what a tragedy that this can actually happen here!
Sure, I would be glad to. Just let me know how to get in contact with you.
Let's discuss TPS and DIMEQ decisions!
When the Confirmation Hearing dates were set long ago, the Judge said TPS will lead off (12-01-2010) and the EC could follow on their coattails. The Judge even alluded to the fact there would be several arguments. During the very long and arduous Confirmation Hearings the Judge said she would rule on the TPS issue the following Monday after the hearings ended which was 12/07/2010. Now I do not know where that is exactly in the hearing but the Judge did say something to that effect about ruling on the TPS issue. With that said, how could the Judge make a ruling on the TPS issue without making A>L by either gaining many more billions in assets or taking away billions in liabilities? Just this issue IMHO makes approving POR not legally possible.
The second issue is the DIMEQ Litigation Tracking Warrants (LTW) and I know many people do not understand what these are. I will give a little explanation the way I understand it. DIMEQ was a separate subsidiary that operated independently (Northeast banks) but under WMI Holding Company. They were involved with a lengthy lawsuit against the Government and won. They were awarded somewhere around 250-350 million dollars and then went back to the Government as there was a mistake in the judgment and were successful in securing around another 60-80 million dollars. This lawsuit took many years so litigation tracking warrants were issued for those people to either sell or get what they could or hold the warrants for potential increased value through an increased award. Once the lawsuit was awarded in DIMEQ’s favor the warrants still traded as the suit continued for an increased value. During these times WMI was seized and then filed chapter 11. JPM took any and everything that had value such as the judgment DIMEQ received through the suit and of course JPM says there is no money for equity or the LTW’s, so they are to be zeroed out as well in the proposed POR.
The Judge has to make a ruling on DIMEQ and there is no way she can say this is not an illegal transfer and then zero out the tracking the LTW’s as JPM has separated the assets and liabilities, similar in nature to TPS securities. Ruling on these two issues has to make assets far greater than liabilities IMHO, thus making it virtually impossible to approve the POR. I have not heard or read much about these two issues since the Confirmation Hearings and I think these issues require discussion to get a clearer picture on what the Judge will do.
Desperado90, great summation and thank you. I wonder why people are not discussing the TPS Securities issue more due to any ruling on these makes A>L, with either many more assets or less liabilities. The Judge did say she was going to rule on this the following Monday after the last day of hearings on 12/07 and never did. It would be virturally impossible to approve this POR with any legitimate ruling on the TPS securities IMHO. Now throw in the DIMEQ situation that you have mentioned and it is impossible for her to legally approve this POR due to assets that are DIMEQ and were transferred illegally to JPM as you stated.
Ponerding 1/6/2011-Your thoughts?
This is what is on the WaMu calendar for 1/6/2011. Now we all know as the date gets close these items can be moved or taken off altogether for another time. I have some questions about this hearing if it goes forward as planned. We also know the Judge can rule this evening if she was so inclined as all she said in her 12/20/2010 filing was she would not rule in 2010 and she did not.
So let’s look at items number 39 and number 41. If the Judge were to rule on the WMB bank stock abandonment and rule to cancel it out now even though the potential value has grown; what would this say about the Judges approval of the POR? It would seem to me if she were going to decline the POR; she would want to see a POR she would approve before canceling.
I have no doubts an amount needs to be established for reserves, but this seems to be putting the cart ahead of the horse. If you are not going to approve the POR, why would you establish reserves now without knowing the extent of the POR you will approve? As I said earlier, these can be moved but I was wondering what the boards thoughts are if these two items remain on the active agenda for 1/6/2011.
• 34 Claim 2692 (individuals -status conf.
• 37 Fifty-Fifth Omnibus issues.
• 39 WMI motion to abandon WMI's stock in WMB.
• 40 Sixtieth Omnibus issues.
• 41 WMI motion to estimate maximum amount of certain claims for establishing reserves.
Thank you Slidedraft and this link should work.
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229101220000000000001.pdf
Troubled by the last day of Conf. Hearings-Last action by Judge-Excellent!
I was very troubled as I sat and listened in on the very last day of the Confirmation Hearings on 12/07/2010, due to the fact Rosen and the Judge was having a discussion about the releases. I was unable to comprehend everything that was said, but I left that evening with that sickening feeling one gets when feeing something unjust is getting ready to happen. After four very long days of tedious hearings and then the last day of the hearings which I believe was the longest, I would have thought the Judge had already heard plenty. She did not need to get every single tidbit that Rosen was throwing out, knowing he gets what he wants on the court record and then does not follow through or even listen to the Judge’s instructions. At the time and for several days after, all I could think of was the Judge was trying to figure out a way to approve the POR. Rosen was telling the Judge he would change this, change that and do whatever and to me the Judge should have already had enough of his unethical, corrupt and contempt of court behavior, knowing he doe not follow through.
With all of that said, I have relished recently in the final actions of the year by the Judge. Now obviously the media has spun what the Judge said, like she was the one that requested and wanted the extension. As we know she ordered the following (link at bottom) and we already know the Debtors have agreed to the extension for the deadline on the POR to 01/31/2011. As we know from what Susman has done, she will not accept anything that changes the POR now unless there is a settlement or something that all parties would agree to, otherwise everybody will keep on filing any and everything to no end. My favorite statement the Judge has made in her last statement of the year is she cannot making a ruling this year due to “multiple objections to the POR that remain unresolved with multiple billions of dollars and multiple parties to the Global Settlement” that hang in the balance. Now, with the Judge making this kind of statement how in the world could she possibly approve the POR? I say she cannot and will not go back on what she has put in writing and I would expect her to rule on this within the first full week of the New Year. My reason for saying this is why would she make any more decisions if she were going to rule against the POR? The link from the Judge's filing follows.
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/...
Sly, it would seem to me after the Judge slams the POR, she should put Susman in charge or in place of Rosen. If equity is happy, everyone will be happy except the criminals and that is the way it is supposed to be. I did not say much publicly because of all of the ridicule I would have received but my thoughts on the Examiner were; I was ALWAYS afraid of an Examiner as it is to easy to buy one person off and my fears unfortunately came true and OF COURSE the same would apply to a Trustee-just another easy to buy off Government employee.
Judith, yes this is Spot from Y. The Judge said in her filing that she would not rule this year and I was trying to understand what Marybob was trying to say. I agree she will not rule his year but that does not mean she could not make her ruling during the first week of 2011.
When one read Ben Mason's letter to the Judge, it puts everything and just how large this case of bankruptcy fraud is in perspective, that is being worked right in front of the Judge. After reading this letter, if the Judge does not have questions or at least require a list of assets and valuation before approval, then the fraud and corruption is the law of the land.
fsshon, I have read Marybob's post on the Y thread, but I am not sure I understand what she is trying to say. I thought the Judge alread made a statement that she would NOT be making a ruling this year. Fsshon, please explain if I am missing something about the date Marybob is trying to make and are you suggesting the Judge may make a ruling this year?
fsshn, I bounced back far better than I thought and now ready to watch Rosen and Company get castrated during the month of January 2011. Still standing tall and lean and I can see you are good too. Fsshn, here is to continuing to witness the Rosen DOWNFALL and WaMu securities get revalued during 2011.
fsshn, by the way, there is plenty of cushion built in and will bounce like a superball...LOL
fsshn, you know, I am right there with you but if the worst happens, I just ask that you NOT fall on top of me...LOL
cash, the reason JPM'stock has not done anything is simple, the market is NOT stupid and the market knows JPM could be put under with the ongoing litigation with WaMu.
fsshn, I have for quite some time thought the FDIC will be looking for a way out of this mess, knowing how much larger the "proverbial" hole has become. This whole idea sounded great to begin with, the Hedge Funds could steal the rest of WMI, JPM could keep the stolen goods and get rid of ALL future damaging litigation and the FDIC could walk on stealing a solvent bank to keep JPM from collapsing and future US Government embarrassment along with much more.
Now the FDIC knows the time is right to graciously move on without publicly having to pull out. I expect FDIC to put pressure on JPM and deal directly with the EC privately to come up with some kind of deal. If I am on target, that has already started and maybe will come to resolution on or before 12/29.
fsshn, I know you went on record with saying the Disclosure Statement would be approved and you made no bones about it and as a matter of fact, you were emphatic about the Judge approving it and you were ABOSULUTELY correct. I was in agreement, the D.S. would be approved but I think our reasons were different; however we were on the same page. I was not a public as you were, but I had few doubts the D.S would NOT be approved. Now here we are on the same page and I believe with the SAME reasons. Now how COOL would that be if we end up being correct?
fsshn, I think you COULD be right on target with this post. How far do these criminals want to push going to jail with obvious bankrupcty fraud? I would think the FDIC or another party would split as they are not going to get their releases. The other side of the coin is, why would they be gambling with going to prison unless they knew something? This in of itself is cause to pause.
wamuvoodoo, what makes you think the Judge will not rule until 1/31/2011. It would seem to me since the Judge basically warned them and told them she would NOT rule through 12/31/2010, she did NOT say she would NOT rule before 1/31/2011 and that includes 1/1/2011 for example.
fsshn, just more and more opportunity to fill our boats. At some point I believe Dimond Guru will be correct and this will close out on a weekend or Holiday and will be revalued on the next opening.
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Yes, it is possible that Rosen/JPM is negotiating with TPS, but I think TPS is working with Susman and the negotiations with Rosen/JPM is a diversion to get into the New Year where equity can take over and I believe they prefer this rather than make a deal with a snake oil salesperson.