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How Edgar Sargent rationalization totally fails common sense!
Much has been said about how the EC made a good deal, sold equity down the river and so much more that I will not go into. Most here know I do not care much about what people say, rather it is their actions that really speak the most truth but as in any “lawyer speak” one has to read in between the lines to a degree. I have read and thought about what Edgar has told us through emails, public release statements about the settlement and other. I will not go into all of that anymore but let’s discuss what Ed did and did not say and the EC’s actions during and after settlement announcement. Now for some facts leading up to the “behind the doors” settlement.
• The EC had been given court authority to pursue deeper discovery on insider trading
• The Judge all but ruled the “hijacking” hedge funds guilty with “colorable claims”
• EC’s Parker Folse’s discussion on 3 billion dollars in ill gotten gains
• Ill gotten gains could be recovered, plus legal fees and damages to an extent
• With deeper discovery already approved by court pending mediation-results all but certain
• TPS, JPM, FDIC-C/R and DIMEQ not invited into mediation
Now for some discussion on Edgar’s prepared statement and his email details involving settlement. I feel I have a good amount of common sense and I generally know when someone is selling me a story or down the river as Ed has. First, let me point out that Ed sold us down a great river that most everybody including Altini will be very happy with once we get to that point. Ed could not tell us the exact truth but the Horsies, DIMEQ/Steinberg and some others did find out some of the truth with a peek behind the curtain. Ed said the following and no I do not have the exact quotes and nor will I look for them.
• Most chapter 11’s end with Equity totally wiped out
• We got a more than fair and reasonable settlement
• We received 75 million in cash, line of credit and more
• We have some NOL’s to use, litigation/liquidation trust set up
• NEWCO may get more money from these
• There is some more, but the reader get’s the idea
Now let’s analyze the aforementioned and when one uses common sense and rationalization, this looks like total bullsh** without any doubt. There is no way the Horsies would have gone much further without a settlement and settlement was probably THEIR idea to get out of this mess. Just a little more publicity and all of those Hedge Funds would have closed due to members pulling their money out as they would not want to be tainted with further litigation about how guilty they are. Edgar’s statement about we had to settle because they would have appealed and more is total garbage as with more publicity these Hedge Funds would have only lost all of their business, they would face loss of standing in society, licenses, careers, sponsorships and more. I find in VERY hard to believe the Horsies would have continued to fight knowing they would lose all of the aforementioned versus and let’s use a small number of their ill gotten gains and say 700 million dollars. To avoid all of the losses, does one not think they would have gone for something this small in order to keep from losing all of this and to be able to keep doing their same scam in the future? Of course they would have and a lot more.
Now would not 700 million look much better than 75 million and I think even a Grade-schooler could get this one correct. Let me take it one step further. What are the two things that have to happen to keep a successful legal firm in business? I believe one is you have to win and the other is you have to have a lot of billing and maybe not in that order. The other thing that Edgar said that is not reasonable is he said the legal fees would become enormous and would not make sense at some point as the litigation could go on for years with equity getting nothing. Since billing is a primary ingredient for a law firm and with money no object in this case as the interest alone is far more than they could legally dream of billing, this statement makes no sense regardless of how Edgar tries to spin this. Analyze the above points now and see if Edgar’s excuses make any sense to you. They certainly do not to me as I would have taken a lot more cash in a much shorter period of time.
Now I will discuss Edgar’s reasoning of the settlement that he cannot talk about. I have no doubts this little company can use its newly won foundation to raise money through innovative capital raise, grow this company into a multibillion dollar organization within months and start using the NOL’s to keep from paying taxes. IMHO, they will raise five billion dollars this year and then buy at least a 2-3 billion dollar profitable organization, do the same thing again within six months from this date and in no time at all this organization is in the multibillions of dollars and paying no taxes. The deal Susman, EC and Edgar got will be stellar proving all along what Edgar, EC and Susman said, this deal is more than fair and reasonable. IMHO, this is what DIMEQ, TPS and TPSC found out through discovery and what the EC has known since they made this SUPERB deal even with their hands tied with a very corrupt Judge, court and legal firms that should be fried!
Our Golden Goose will be growth through innovative capital raise!
This is a repost of an earlier post several months ago and I think it a good time to repost this with very few edits.
I am getting very comfortable with our current situation as much as I despise this corrupt Judge who has presided over multiple crimes by aiding and abetting bankruptcy fraud, unethical behavior, gross negligence, overwhelming conflicts of interest and much, much more. It is very sad to see we that we have been here forty months. We will probably exit chapter 11 in our forty first month with no real evaluation, multiple items under seal and enough corruption and fraud in one case to last a court many lifetimes. Well so much for that “dead horse” that I and so many others have beat to death, only to be out done by Rosie who has committed perjury, contempt of court, malpractice, bankruptcy fraud and so many more countless illegalities to make one wonder if there is REALLY anything at all that is illegal in the Delaware court system!
Now for some positive actions, thoughts and reasons to believe we will be “golden” going forward. If one truly remembers the first POS POR that Rosie put together and the main ingredients which called for equity to be cancelled also called for new stock to be issued at $25.00 a share to people who owned at least two million dollars minimum of WAHUQ securities. The number of investors would have been small enough to where they would not have had to file the normal SEC requirements and could be under the radar of governance. With that said, the same “Hijackers” formally called Hedge Funds would have stolen this little company worth untold billions but fortunately they were caught and now these same Hijackers have to include equity. Never the less, these same criminals will be on to printing money with our new company and quite frankly, I just as soon as them be large owners as they really do know how to make money whether it is legal or not.
I have no doubts this little company will be on to fortunes very soon. Keep in mind, DO NOT expect much in the first six months and a day. This is because up to six months and a day from the date of a signed confirmation, these criminals can be forced back into court for hiding assets, fraud or any illegalities that were done through the course of this bankruptcy. In order to be safe they will not reveal too much of what was stolen until AFTER six months and a day from confirmation and a new stock listing may be timed to this six months and a day time frame. I DO NOT expect a merger early on (hopefully not) and to me the reasons should be very obvious. If one has the NOL’s and other ways to keep from paying takes on profits over the next many, many years, why would one want to sell or kill the “Golden Goose” for a one time kill? You could not possibly get what this company could be worth in say the next five to ten years of enormous growth in the first year or two.
Think of any fast growing company in the past who had multiple stock splits and created wealth in say a five to twenty year time span. Look at the wealth some companies have created and the same WILL apply to our new “Golden Goose” so again, why would anyone who has any sincere growth plan (actions will tell) and business acumen want to sell this company in the early going for a ‘one time” kill? This company has ALL of the ingredients to make any company successful and will not have to pay taxes for the foreseeable future and any new or reorganized company would do anything to have our “positive ingredients” going forward. The early actions by our new “Golden Goose” will either be EXTREMELY encouraging or very disappointing to me and will be a tell all. I will give you a hint to the future and that is why these CRIMINALS were doing EVERYTHING in their power to steal this company going forward so do not ruin your chance of creating personal wealth by selling your NEWCO shares in their infancy!
Monica, for what it is worth, I am of a mindest my original plan that I wanted to see if equity survived was for the company to use the foundation it won in court and to grow into a multibillion dollar organization. If handled properly, this can be achieved through various types of ways that capital is raised.
I would love to see it grow this way, buying profitable companies, paying dividends and with the amount of NOL's we could go on many, many years making money and not paying ANY tax, thus you would see stock splits and all of the actions successful companies exerience.
To me, that would be the best ride and not to mention what we know ahead of everybody else and that would allow one to continue to invest with virtually very little chance of a huge downside.I can already see a two, five and ten yer plan that just REEKS of money, profits and some very wealthy individuals who would have had very little chance otherwise. I honestly see and feel this is the ride we are in for so sit back, put your seatbelt on as we will blasting off soon!
Uz, yes it is very nice and I expect to see an 8K filing or something from Newco shortly or later this evening!
We now have TODAY (3/19/012) as the "effective date" and thanks goes to Florin on the new reorganized WMI board.
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I went to Pacer, will worry about the charges later.
It's done. We have effective date:
03/19/2012 9933 Notice of Effective Date Notice of (A) Entry of an Order
Confirming the Seventh Amended Joint Plan of Affiliated
Debtors Pursuant to Chapter 11 of the United States
Bankruptcy Code and (B) Occurrence of the Effective
Date Filed by Washington Mutual, Inc.. (McRoberts,
Travis) (Entered: 03/19/2012)
cents, yes, I see what you are talking about. Well, until a C.E.O is announced, she is still a VERY good possibility IMHO.
Lets take a look at the Newco board. They announced everybody EXCEPT the C.E.O. and I have always felt it was (hopefully) due to the high status this person carries. As far as I am concerned, if I knew who the C.E.O. was then this would explain almost everything else this company does and also would give you an excellent example of what the worth will be. This could be why they are holding out.
On the flip side, if they are having trouble finding a credible one or do not have one agreed on yet, then this is a huge negative. They have known what they were going to do with Newco for over two years and if they do not have a plan, then there is virtually no hope. I strongly disagree with this assumption based on actions which are more important than one running their mouth and telling lies or misrepresenting what their intent really is.
cents, yes, I know about this but high ranking and successful Executives are on multiple boards, so this doe not mean anything to the contrary.
Anybody live or are near downtown Seattle and could go by the new WMI office and see if they can speak, hear or see this woman to confirm or not suspicions on WMI's new C.E.O.?
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2012/02/23/deanna-oppenheimer-its-good-to-be.html
Clawman, I still say today is the "effective date" but we may not find out for sure now until later this evening.
GM's ole stock continued trading after new stock issued for at least a month if not two months.
Je, IMHO, if they have under valued assets, more assets or even assets that will transfer at a later time; this kind of value cannot show up before six months and a day post "effective date" due to the relative ease with which they could be brought back into court for fraud, hidden assets and more. Once they pass this date, it is virtually impossible to be brought back in to court wehther there is solid proof or not.
TPS’s peek behind the curtain was a game changer!
Well, here we are folks and we are not cancelled even though seriously reduced number of shares. I have no doubts there is a mass of “untold wealth” here and the real question is will there be more illegalities and corruption? I say there will not be to the extent we saw for the last three and a half years. Let’s look at the actions.
• Susman was eager to get into mediation by all accounts
• There were signs of progress immediately as extensions were requested
• TPS was never invited, thus continued their very aggressive legal pursuit
• Susman left potentially 3 billion (per Parker Folse) from illegal insider trading
• Susman could have gotten legal fees & some damages plus all of the Horsies ill gotten gains
• Susman thinks 75 million in cash plus for Newco is very fair and reasonable
• Walrath did almost everything except ask for a conviction on insider trading
• TPS pull discovery on EC and finally a peek behind the infamous curtain
• Within three days of this “peek” they agree to take 5% more in stock
• Art Steinberg given a “peek” and also & decides to settle-take stock
• In many ways, actions tell me there is MUCH more than meets the eye!
Now after reading over these actionable bullet points, I am even more reassured there is tremendous value with untold billions to be made by Newco which will at some point translate into a huge share price. The only way this will not happen is if Art Steinberg, TPS, Susman, Willingham, the rest of the EC members TOTALLY sold Equity down the river and I would make another bet on this if I could to say this just did not happen.
Did we get what we should have? Absolutely not due to a very corrupt court, a legal firm who should be shut down with several of its partners imprisoned along with Walrath with loss of license and a mega billion dollar malpractice claim filed against them. Will this happen and the answer is no but I will still say there will be many here who will make wealth beyond what they thought before was possible prior to this play!
hardasset, from what I read with Friday night's filings, all minor issues to having an "effective date" have been waived so the effective date is the first business day after the "stock abandonment date" which was Friday, March 16th and so the "effective date" will be Monday, March 19th, 2012 which is the first business day following the stock abandonment date.
Catz, I agree but IMHO, there should be an 8K filing very soon and if there is not it appears we will be back to the same ole "hide the sausage" and I do not view that in a hugely positive way.
Normally when a company puts out news of negative nature or wants to go under the radar they file it late in the evening on a Friday night, just as Rosie did with the WMB stock filing.
WaMu could have had it much worse!
Just be glad Rosie did back stab Equity on this early on and got Dewey & Leboeuf conflicted out. Rosie screwed himself and don't you love this kind of Karma and maybe there is much more to come for this little Criminal!
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/03/17/twelve-more-partners-leave-dewey-law-firm/
Funy, there is nothing strange with Fidelity, but then they do not make any changes until 3:00am eastern time daily.
GaryHalvo, thank you very much for the information and update. This is very kind of you and it looks like a great play so far, especially since the rulings appear to be genuine instead this "sham" of a court entrusted to the Estate of WaMu.
This in of itself is a Great American tragedy for our current and future of our great country. IMHO, this kind of corruption that I have witnessed for four years is worse than terrorists, since they are a fiduciary and are entrusted with power to protect, serve the people of this country. So much for their faith and honor they swore to uphold!
Sure, you bet I will!
Here you go...a few email addresses.
60m@cbsnews.com,72624.3562@compuserve.com,aabney@sfchronicle.com,abaca@abqjournal.com,abavley@kcstar.com,abbyhaight@news.oregonian.com,abeim@hfmmag.com,abenson9@bloomberg.net,abraeske@starledger.com,abraly@chatfreepress.mindspring.com,AbramsReport@msnbc.com,abryan@newsweek.com,achapman@startelegram.com,acimino1@bloomberg.net,aclurfeld@app.com,acomarow@usnews.com,acostag@washpost.com,aczuczka@bloomberg.net,admin@drpennystock.com,afixmer@bloomberg.net,afrye@bloomberg.net,agalvani@nature.berkeley.edu,agiestaj@washpost.com,aglennon@ajc.com,ahardie@ajc.com,aharvey@bhamnews.com,ajester@herald-leader.com,aknightly@reviewjournal.com,akrosel@nwherald.com,alan_rosenberg@projo.com,alan.bernstein@chron.com,alank@onwis.com,alevy5@bloomberg.net,alex.pevzner@dowjones.com,alex.pham@latimes.com,RemingtonA@washpost.com,alexander.remington@gmail.com,alice_truax@newyorker.com,alison_brower@condenast.com,alister.bull@reuters.com,allister.fowler@jpmorgan.com,aloder@bloomberg.net,amccabe@bloomberg.net,amerriman@timesdispatch.com,amorales2@bloomberg.net,Amoses5@bloomberg.net,amy.or@dowjones.com,andersonn@washpost.com,andicoop@aol.com,Andrea_Sachs@timemagazine.com,andrea.thomas@dowjones.com,andrew_davis@adg.ardemgaz.com,andrew.morse@dowjones.com,angelem@phillynews.com,ann.keeton@dowjones.com,anna.katterjohn@reedbusiness.com,annie.gasparro@dowjones.com,anschmidt@nwherald.com,anusha.shrivastava@dowjones.com,aortolani1@bloomberg.net,arascouet@bloomberg.net,aries.poon@dowjones.com,armstrj@phillynews.com,arthur.salm@uniontrib.com,arts@detnews.com,artsleis@nytimes.com,artthiel@seattle-pi.com,asachdev@tribune.com,Asaraiva5@bloomberg.net,ascott@bizjournals.com,askannie@fortunemail.com,AskNewswires@dowjones.com,asross@sfchronicle.com,atlanta@bizjournals.com,audi@freepress.com,aumminger@yahoo.com,austina@csps.com,avanzados@washpost.com,avekshin@bloomberg.net,avent@knews.com,avogt@tribune.com,awan3@bloomberg.net,Awebb@knight.com,ay.palmer@barrons.com,azambuja@newsweek.com.br,balnews@thewbalchannel.com,Banfield@msnbc.com,barbara.demick@latimes.com,barbaradurbin@news.oregonian.com,bauerm@sfgate.com,bbjr@desnews.com,bbuckley@knight.com,bbundy@star-telegram.com,bbutgereit@bhamnews.com,bchernetz@mccalls.com,BCondor@tribune.com,bcronin@knight.com,bcrosset@nytimes.com,bcurrenc@thebeaconjournal.com,bcurtright@wichitaeagle.com,bdancis@sacbee.com,bdaniels@abqjournal.com,bdavidson@express-news.net,bdyer@thebeaconjournal.com,begelko@sfchronicle.com,Ben.Sherwood@nbc.com,bencivengaj@csmonitor.com,bernie.woodall@thomsonreuters.com,bernsteinl@washpost.com,bertc@spokesman.com,betty.beard@arizonarepublic.com,bevd@skies.com,bfrick@kiplingers.com,bgraham@sfgate.com,bhu5@bloomberg.net,bill.dwyre@latimes.com,billgraves@news.oregonian.com,billlumaye@wptfmail.com,billvirgin@seattlepi.com,bizday@nytimes.com,bkelly@usnews.com,bkeogh4@bloomberg.net,bkeoun@bloomberg.net,blammerd@thebeaconjournal.com,bliu17@bloomberg.net,blongino@ajc.com,bmcdonnell@opubco.com,bmckeown@knight.com,bminzesh@newyork.gannett.com,bob.greenberger@wsj.com,bob.mcgough@dowjones.com,bolton@azstarnet.com,bonko@pilotonline.com,books@nytimes.com,boorsteinm@washpost.com,bradfo@twtmail.com,breaking@uniontrib.com,breakingnews@theolympian.com,breakingnews@www.nwherald.com,brett.philbin@dowjones.com,brian.baskin@dowjones.com,brian.j.marchiony@jpmorgan.com,brian.rosen@weil.com,brikkchat@yahoo.com,browland@nwherald.com,BrownCharity@washpost.com,bslupski@nwherald.com,bstarr@thestate.com,bsullivan10@bloomberg.net,bullseye@CNBC.com,burton.frierson@thomsonreuters.com,business@miamiherald.com,business@starledger.com,business@washpost.com,businessnews@dallasnews.com,bwomack1@bloomberg.net,byerak@detnews.com,byerak@tribune.com,Calesci2@bloomberg.net,calexander1@bloomberg.net,carey_winfrey@peoplemag.com,carlosmr@bloomberg.net,carmantv@sfgate.com,carol.hymowitz@wsj.com,carole.vaporean@thomsonreuters.com,carrick.mollenkamp@wsj.com,carvajal@nytimes.com,caryn.trokie@thomsonreuters.com,cas@cbsnews.com,cat@pressdemo.com,cathy.logan@tulsaworld.com,cavuto@foxnews.com,cbinham@bloomberg.net,cbourke4@bloomberg.net,cbrady@glennbeck.com,cbrewer@enquirer.com,cchancel@thebeaconjournal.com,cchanjaroen@bloomberg.net,ccirequest@washpost.com,cclarridge@seattletimes.com,ccommon@startribune.com,cdefelippo@knight.com,cdufner@dallasnews.com,cgelernter@seattletimes.com,cgordon@newsday.com,cgorman@aol.com,cguglielmo1@bloomberg.net,CHaddix@tribune.com,chapmaf@phillynews.com,charper@bloomberg.net,cherylhall@dallasnews.com,choney@gr-press.com,chouinard@incorrect.com,chris.dufresne@latimes.com,chriskrug@nwherald.com,chrisr@leader.net,christian.hudson@turner.com,christine.holevas@chase.com,christoph.rauwald@dowjones.com,chuck_arnold@peoplemag.com,chuck.abbott@thomsonreuters.com,chuin-wei.yap@dowjones.com,ciara.linnane@thomsonreuters.com,citydesk@seattlepi.com,cjbooks@louisv02.gannett.com,cjindra@plaind.com,ckalonzo@crain.com,ckatz@nydailynews.com,ckrug@nwherald.com,ckurz@usaweekend.com,clindell@nwherald.com,closingbell@cnbc.com,cmadigan@tribune.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elcheepo, like WOW! You don't know how refreshing that is to hear after almost fours years of nothing but rock solid fraud, collusion, corruption amd more. Thank you
Garyhalvo, thanks so much and I appreciate your reply. Always good to see familar people and I have always thought there was an excellent opportunity here due to the fact UWBKQ own Executives have stood up for what was wrong and are fighting for justice. If only a small part of that could of happenend in WaMu, there could have been some justice as opposed to zero!
Drugby and Mesa, I have been here on and off since the seizure of UWBKQ, but the majority of the time that I had to spend was spent on WAMUQ. I want to start following this a little more as the WaMu travesty winds down. I have many questions but I will try and do my due diligence over time if I have enough time to do that before something major happens here. I have two questions for now if you would be so kind to answer with your honest opinion.
The first question is do you see any type or do you expect any type of the massive collusion, fraud and corruption that has and is going on in the WAMUQ with UWBKQ? If so could you please discuss?
The second two part question when is the next "trigger" or major decision in this case going to be and how large do you expect the result whether positive or negative and ultimately, do you expect equity to be cancelled as in ninety to ninety five percent of chapter 11 cases? Thank you very much and have a great weekend!
Untold wealth here even after multiple rape of WaMu!
I really do not care what people say when I reference Kmart and other examples in this WaMu travesty. This is EXACTLY the same in that they all hide their assets to one degree or another and then let the cream rise to the top, only accelerating AFTER six months and a day from effective date. I do not care if that value is widgets, real estate, oil or NOL’s. The point is some form of value so to those naysayers, this in principle is exactly the same and you will see during the next year.
Trust me there is more untold wealth here, even after the multiple rape of WaMu with all of the tax issues here. This has been discussed enough, but there is no doubt including all of the different types of tax issues there is anywhere from thirty to forty billion dollars worth and maybe even more. Plus there will be undervalued assets and I still ALMOST know for a fact that we have taxes that are cash and owed to the Estate from 2008 that will come into play at some point. I could be wrong on this but we will find out during the next year.
Now I am not going to promise a Rose Garden because the Rose Garden is already a FACT that there is INDEED a Rose Garden. The problem is we are unsure if we (Retail) will see the maximum due to all of the constant corruption. I can say this and be factual that the CRIMINALS will have to be very careful now that they are out/almost of the cesspool of corruption in Delaware. The point is there is no doubt a wealthy Rose Garden and thank God that is true. The next step is to see if retail can actually go along for the ride or is there another piece of corruption around the corner? I will go on to say this will STILL be a “life changer” for many here!
Yanik, I hope you are doing good. Just my little input now that TPS is part of the deal and with that I would say there is no more than five and maybe ten percet at the very most that missed the reorganized shares. Any large holder of these securities would have followed through, but I would love to be wrong!
Bond, yes GM was trading the old worthless stock about 3 months later when it should have been taken down.
AllI was suggesting is that they have had plenty of time and they should tell the Shareholders within a couple of weeks of at least who will run and be the C.E.O. of Newco.
Claw, what you are syaing makes a lot of sense and as with everything that has happened with this travesty, we are in a hurry for something!
Claw, this is what I said 'With the announcement on Newco C.E.O. this week or next and if the C.E.O. is a “high level” Executive which I expect and suspect, then Newco is off to the races building a multibillion dollar organization very quickly through mergers and other."
Yes, to me there is no reason we should not have located, talked with, agreed to and signed (maybe this week or next) the Newco C.E.O. and yes we disagree then. This has been going on way to long already and this decision should be a done deal upon exit and should be announced immediately (or within a week or two) to give legitimacy to Newco gloing foward!
Clawman, I respect what you are saying, but I will say this, if we do not know who Newco C.E.O. is yet, then this company will never exist in the manner we expect.
Clue to huge legitimate Newco or not!
Well I will not go into a huge diatribe about this but the single most important clue to the legitimacy of the Newco or not as others asked, who is Newco C.E.O.? This is of paramount importance and if we exit chapter 11 on 3/8/2012, I would expect some form or announcement from Newco regarding at least the C.E.O. If they continue to keep us under the radar, say very little and continue with all of these so called secrets, then obviously this in not good.
With the announcement on Newco C.E.O. this week or next and if the C.E.O. is a “high level” Executive which I expect and suspect, then Newco is off to the races building a multibillion dollar organization very quickly through mergers and other. On the other hand, if the Newco C.E.O. is rather “unheard” of or one without an outstanding reputation, then we will have to look out as the criminals who are still connected will have another agenda in mind which I do not expect.
Keep in mind, once out of the Delaware cesspool of corruption, it will be very hard to carry on criminal activity without being charged and I think they know as much. Without an in-depth announcement of what we are going to do as a Newco, if the C.E.O. is as ‘high level” as has been rumored, we will be on the correct track and on the way to a very successful organization. Again, I expect a very successful organization as this opportunity should have never happened and because it did, I cannot imagine people who deal in multibillions of dollars will waste this golden opportunity becasue a few fleas called “retail” are on their back.
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2012/02/23/deanna-oppenheimer-its-good-to-be.html
Vodka, it is rather simple and to follow actions. The tell tale sign number one is why is NEWCO hiding the name of the C.E.O. and number two, if the new C.E.O. is going to be very high caliber as I suspect then we are off to the races. Keep in mind one thing, once we are out of Delaware cesspool there will be NO PROTECTION for continued criminal behavior and if the new C.E.O. is of high caliber nature, this person would never put up with a scam going forward so we will soon find out.
When one has such a platform to build a mega billion dollar corporation and not pay taxes for many years, they will seize on this opportunity and IMHO there is plenty of more reasons for optimism but this should be enough to get you started.
Boarddork, it sounds like to me her last trip down the slope and she ends up in her new office at the reorganized WaMu and yes, we could/maybe continuing in banking or something VERY similar. If we get somebody of this caliber there will be no scam and continued corruption, but a platform to be a multi mega billion dollar organization very quickly.
I will say when and if we get a very high caliber C.E.O. and I think we will we are on the cusp of a very large financial organization that will buy other companies and future growth will be unparallel in the next several years propelling NEWCO stock, dividends, stock splits and more. Oh, yes, I am VERY serious and believe this IS IN THE MAKING!!!
Oil, if Diamond does not mind I will speak for him and this is with a great post from Muchfaster on Y who I agree whole heartedly with. The only thing I disagree with Muchfaster is that he is way conservative but Much also points this out. So when you read this EXCELLENT post from Much, let it soak in and be thankful. I told Much after reading his post that I was very angry and happy all at the same time so read on and you too will understand.
first, thanks to all who wished me well, i`m out of the hospital since friday, and i feel much better now 9
for the nols or as i like it better the taxcarryforwards (taxcarryforwards include booth nols and capital losses):
the first part, the capital injections from before the seizure, the 6,5 bio, they are mentioned in the hochberg tales aka examinerreport.
and the numbers fit, if you add the capital loss by the siezure of 26 bio dollars. and then reduce it with rosens numbers of 12 bio used for nthe taxrefunds and the 14,5 bio double reduction for the wmb losses.
again, take the capital losses from before the seizure of 6,5 bio and add the 26 bio losses for the worthless wmb shares.
now you have 32,5 bio losses, and the irs gave them the status of nols, in the letter.
but, jpm has got with the wmb also the wmb losses of 14,5 bio. and to prevent double counting, there could be only one, who can use this nols, wmb (jpm) or wmi.
and wmi (rosen and kosturos) was convinced by jpm, that the nols could only be used by wmb, and therefore the wmi nols of 32,5 bio must be reduced by the 14,5 bio nof the wmb nols (only if wmi waives the right to use his nols, jpm can use the wmb nols).
and, wmi used 12 bio of the losses for the taxrefund (the two and five years taxrefund, split fraudulently with jpm and fdic with help of this crook wal rat).
so, if you reduced the 32,5 bio by the 14,5 and the 12 bio, you get 6 bio. that fits with the 5,5 bio of rosen (the missing 500 mio ccould be some more losses from wmb, made by jpm).
this number is the absolute minimum for the taxcarryforwards of wmi up to the seizure.
now add some millions for the losses in the bancrupcy. remember, wmi made some losses in the year 2009, 2010, 2011 aqnd 2012, lwayers fees for example, lol.
that could be up to 980 mio (the difference between the mor assets in 2008 and 2012).
lets add some 500 mio, to be on the safe side.
makes 5,5 bio and 0,5 bio are 6 bio up to now.
but, with the effective date there are more losses, the tps preferreds for example with 3,9 bio, or the gift or the taxrefunds of 3,5 bio to jpm and fdic.
in the first mors the 3,9bio were included as losses, so i think, i`m on the safe side, if i add them to the existing losses.
that would be a minimum taxcarryforwards of 9,9 bio, and a maximum of 46 (if you can count the bolicoli and all of the preseizure losses).
imo if you only take the minimum numbers, that would be at a taxrate of 35% 3465 mio cash. or 17,3 dollar for the newcoshare.
now add some honest lawyers for the litigations against third parties, and you get a ... fairy tale.
es1, this is good information and thank you for your due diligence. If this is as large a deal as I suspect, I have no doubts that they will not relist without a least being $15.00 to $20.00 dollars a share. The main reason for this is one has to assume a bad market when this happens along with the normal shorting and if it is only $10.00 a share or less, then this security runs right into potential bankruptcy issues again.
Not to mention most large funds cannot invest in anything that is $5.00 s share or less. The Newco would lose this huge volume of potential business. If these people are going to be on the level and I say they will, then one has to start out with a listing of at the very least of $15.00 a share to factor in the above. So, if they need to get past the first six months and a day to show more value, then the Newco listing might wait that long and the reason for the six months and a day is after this it is almost impossible to be brought back into court for illegalities that we know exist.
Jack, this Executive type by the name of Deanna Oppenheimer is suspect and if this is true this little company could be growing very large.I would not expect many illegal activities as witnessed the last almost four years with this caliber of person and not to mention, these people will never get away with what they got away with in Delaware.
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2012/02/23/deanna-oppenheimer-its-good-to-be.html
Royal, if this trades again as I am afraid of some form of coerced sale prior to this trading again. I am not saying it will not trade again but it is a possibility.
Now if EC/Susman really did work for Equity and I feel they have and are, then think about this. There are only going to be 200 million shares initially, so if this trades again why would anybody that has any sense, assuming no destructive agenda go through a listing a public traded equity for less than $2.00 a share or even less than a dollar a share. You would be bankrupt before starting with the so called value of less than 200 million.
So the foundation they have set up so far by allowing 200 million shares with authorization for upto five hundred million shares and authorization for upto five million preferred is to raise capital. This to me looks like they are planning on a very large organization and I believe they have kept the C.E.O. quiet until post effective date, as this name will show one just how large this Newco may become. If the name is as large as being rumored or better, then look for HUGE things to happen and conversely just the opposite would be very destructive. I believe they have kept it quiet because the old equity would have run very hard in a positive way goofing up their ratios and plans.
So assuming with NOL value and other values that have been shown on purpose to be very low, then for every one billion of value the new common stock would be $5.00 a share. So I expect the Newco, if it trades at all will open up at least $20.00 dollars a share representing a potential value of at least four billion dollars versus this nonsense they are showing now at less than 200 million. If it were only worth this or less, there would be no reason or need for all the illegalities, collusion, hiding, transferring and manipulation with many people risking their standing in society, careers and more. I am still expecting this to be a life changer for many here including myself!
Conjecture - Does this reappear-Much going on for $175
There is much conversation going on with many people who are doing due diligence here about what JPMC gets or does not get. Many people are posting with parcels of the Global Settlement, Disclosure Statement and the effective date proving what they believe whether in good faith or not. It almost appears to me with what Flow has been showing with the “Rule 2004” discovery and other that the entire WMI estate including namesake, trademarks and more is being transferred to JPMC on the effective date which we now know is 3/8/2012.
With the above said, it almost appears that most of this stuff comes back with a lot of what Flow has been posting. Is it possible this is just one big merry-go-round and when we get past the effective date, much of this comes back to the Newco? I am not going to bother posting all of these links but I have read a lot of what has been going on and I am getting this impression. Olejoe keeps posting how we are losing everything and then Flow, Altini and others kind of make a case with other parcels that this comes back to the estate in a strange and maybe legal sense.
All I can say for sure folks is that I believe there is something VERY large getting ready to happen and it may not happen overnight but will happen from the effective date and most will happen post six months and a day from the effective date. There is too much going on here, hiding, misrepresenting, colluding, transferring here and there and then back again for this NOT to be absolutely huge. For those who hang in here and do not sell at the first opportunity will be on to one of the largest financial happenings in a very long time, but of course all IMHO.
Catz, this recent 8K filing should answer a lot of questions regarding how many shares, preferred and other to be issued or what is considered a "shelf offering" and these are shares that can be issued without shareholder approval.
http://xml.10kwizard.com/filing_raw.php?repo=tenk&ipage=8110194
Reorganized Debtors
Pursuant to the Plan, on the Effective Date, the Debtors will be reorganized pursuant to chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Code and Reorganized Common Stock will be issued to certain of the Debtors’ creditors as more fully described above under “Treatment of each Class of Claim or Equity Interest”. Investment will remain a wholly owned subsidiary of Reorganized WMI. The primary business of the Debtors on and from the Effective Date will be a reinsurance business that is currently operated by WMMRC, a wholly owned subsidiary of WMI that is incorporated in Hawaii. As of the Effective Date, Reorganized WMI will have 500,000,000 authorized shares of common stock, 200,000,000 shares of which will be issued on or about the Effective Date, and 5,000,000 authorized shares of preferred stock, each with a par value of $0.00001 per share. As of the Effective Date, the Amended and Restated Articles of Incorporation and the Amended and Restated Bylaws of Reorganized WMI will be substantially similar to the forms attached hereto as Exhibits 3.2 and 3.3, respectively, and are incorporated herein by reference. The name of WMI after the Effective Date is currently being confirmed and therefore its name appears in brackets in the Exhibits.
Item 3.03 Material Modification to Rights of Security Holders
On the Effective Date, all Common Equity Interests and Preferred Equity Interests of the Company shall be deemed extinguished and the certificates and all other documents representing such Equity Interests, if any, shall be deemed cancelled and of no force or effect. Except to the extent evidenced by electronic entry, and except with respect to the WMB Senior Notes and the WMB Subordinated Notes, as a condition of receiving any distribution pursuant to the Plan, each holder of a certificated instrument or note must surrender such instrument or note to the appropriate Trustee or the Debtors or their designee. Any holder of such instrument or note that fails to (i) surrender such instrument or note or
fsshon, good evening and nice to see you are still around. I have not seen anything signed post exit as far as the Susman Group goes with respect to further litigation. Are they still going to be around after exit or do we have to put up with a very corrupt Weasel/Gotcha/Mangle to do our bidding?
Jhd, it is rather simple if there are 200 million oustanding shares. For every billion dollars of value, that is equal to $5.00 dollars per share. So what I would be saying with $20.00 a share is if this trades again, the market will find four billion dollars of value even if it is not stated that way publically.
I do not care anymore about pre exit confirmation share prices, as mine are all converted. So when I discuss it only makes sense to talk about NEWCO shares and prices.