Hahhhhh, not buying it!

(oh, you're buying it allright....)

... and as to "most would agree", a read of the concensus lately may reveal that tide to have turned...
... and as to "gov't sites", everybody knows how trustworthy the gov't is, lol.

Things are not right, that's for sure...but I'm not ready to go hog wild with the whole total scam scenario, nor can I rule it out. I would however, ask you for your explanation of the patent portfolio. The entire process from development thru now. In order to be the scam you call, you need to also explain the patents away, the technology, the approvals, the making it thru the international testing procedures, etc....and it has to hold water, otherwise it'll be dismissed as an invalid theory. And throw in your take on Mr Sawyer's place in all this.. Wouldn't hurt to hone in on the vplm LI patent while you're at it.. It's east to say it's merely a shell game...so back it up w/some answers to above...

On "Southpark's" site, the vplm project has moved to last on their list of current projects (vplm is proud to be # last..) and other than that, I don't notice any additions to their list, since the vplm affiliation, nor any apparent changes to the status of the other projects, none of which look too major..

I emailed them requesting an update. Let's hold our breath..

I wait & wait... but the...

"Mandate" appears to be a "no date"...
"PH.d" turned out to be a "BS"...
"Fortune 500" interest was just a "fortune cookie"...
"IBM exec" ain't even on their roledex...
the "Candy-man" can't (or didn't mention vplm)...
The "books" are comic books...
The "price-per-share" leaves big despair...
The "promised report" (on Southbank progress) weren't even a snort..
The "thousands of billions" turned out a huck fin whitewash...
The "conference calls" were really "infomercial hall"...
The "blackout" left much doubt...
The "chill" just another ill...
The "shady backgrounds... still around...
Thuh gramur ishooes shouldnt bother yuo...
The "tenents"....heck, they need to pay some rent!
" It don't happen overnight"...nor over weeks, months or years...
The MS LI patent try....proof of value?... that's a lie...
The "offer on the table"... wasn't even able...
Everything's under" non-disclosure...leaves you feeling oh so sure!
Nothin to get hung about.. ah believe, ah believe! ah believe! Keep the faith, baby! We bask in the "stellar" light..

#1) I remember considering the comment might be sarcasm, just before I replied, but it was one of those things where I looked at it with the wrong perspective & at the time, it really did look like he meant it, but when I go back & look now, you're fairly obviously right, that it was his sarcasm. Sometimes you can't tell, esp when it was only a 2 word post.

As to the rest of your points to, yes, obviously (if we are to believe the financial aspects the company has fed us..) they are on a shoestring....but then again, they seem to have been able to do so much with no $ for so long...and stay operative, it makes you wonder...

As to "assistants running around covering the minutia", of course not, but they have an IR guy, who is purported to be responsible for alot of the crappy postings & who is made aware of many if the mistakes by reading this board, yet in most cases ignores & allows the mistakes to stand. Some of them, like recently posted, I think rise above mere minutia & as added in to the large pot full of mistakes, misquotes & ambiguity we've been fed, continuously & consistently, should be considered as "ok" to stand. An effort should be made to make corrections.

Yes, the patents either do or don't have value (and on the "do" side, it has to be big value, not some pittance). And since they are in the unusual position of having nothing else to offer, but them, then it seems pretty reasonable for those concerned, to rcv some outside, 3rd party proof of efficacy, foundational nature & commensurate value, above & beyond the very loose "facts" fed us by the inside.

To say that if the patents have that desired value, it renders all the side commentary & questions as useless....is not a good way to look at this. It could be ultimately true, but it's an out of order view, to use at this critical time, when armed with the knowledge that nearly all such pinky plays, by companies that don't have a more diverse set of financial stabilities, amt to nothing more than having taken a lot of $ from a lot of ppl, in the last scene. What is being proposed here, in terms of this earth shattering, world changing (voip world) massive fortune generating handful of patents, just doesn't happen. Repeat: it just doesn't happen... If it does, then please show me where it does. If it has, what...a 1 in a million shot? At best it's not very likely to happen, whatever the reasons. A year and more ago here, the major concensus was, it is real & about to happen, as soon as the patents get approved. There was NO ONE HERE who believing in the patents, thought a year later nothing would have happened to see the deal thru & that all the artificially propped up prices which are nothing more than our "prospecting for gold" would also always consistently slide in value, after every spike up. And as I have pointed out so many times, unless you are a magician in Vegas, you don't play w/fire, the fire being the explosive value supposed to be held in this patent suite, and let it slip thru your fingers, if you are a MS, Google or Apple. You GET it, so as not to lose the potential multiple billions, not only in your own infringements, but in all the infringements you could also collect on eventually if you owned it. Yet it sits there... un-purchased, no apparent bid war happening, no consortium seeming to be formed to buy it, no outside talk or banter about it, no outside validity lent, no big pockets offering to help see it happen, no apparent recognition, no respect from the very industry seated companies who were recently reported here as participating in a thriving market for LI, as vplm wasn't even mentioned in that list of players (just like the "Candy-man" never so much as mentions the name of or his proud affiliafion with vplm as he speaks round the world on voip issues..). Anyway, the above are, in my opinion, heavyweight facts. All the minutia of mistakes, misspellings, bad grammar & incorrect & unsubstantiated facts contained in the white papers & the PR's, only serve to add to the ever growing pile of facts and/or assertions that something is very very wrong here. Sure, it's possible that it will happen (the miracle), but a dry & sober evaluation of all the facts that led to the here & now, say 'uh-uh', not happening in a million years. Don't forget, these patents, both pre & post approval, have been available to make a deal on for years. No one cared. No one jumped. How long can we keep making excuses for what is the holdup...?

It's are out of order, in my opinion, to suggest that the complainants here, amount to nothing more than the "grammar police" or apostrophe cops. THAT..... is NOT what you have witnessed here, so to suggest it is, also suggest you are stretching from a standpoint of a weak argument. The grammatical mistakes have been many & not only spelling & apostrophe's. They are part of a massive pile of junk, all been reported due to the good work of diligent scrutiny that deserves to be done in a pinknsheet company w/no money & no sales & no other products no proven prospects & a shady background. So don't insult the intelligence of those who do their best to show this & counter the claims of fortunes to come.

Really?... hmm, let's see... On one hand, major faux paux (imho) pointed out..pretty embarrassing I'd say & bogus info from company & lawyer in a filing.......vs. a missed apostrophe.....hmmm..... "GOOD COMEBACK".... ???.... lol, lol, lol....

Lol! I notice how your point (pretty dang significant one..) was completely ignored, as was all the other ones on his list of "a lot of nothing... non facts". So telling..& typical... when facts or at least reasonably well supported assertions, are ignored, swept under the rug, diminished, ridiculed & or otherwise catagorized as meaningless & useless, rather than deal with the intelligently gathered facts & formed opinions. Blind faith comes to mind..

The figures given were not what I was looking for. I asked for 1) estimates of what a big voip provider, such as MS, etc, might wind up having to cough up due to a lawsuit, all things considered, such as the 20 yr long protection, retroactive infringement rights, probability that a warning of infringement notices would be sent, which enables triple penalties, the number of voip calls handled, the ancillary services such as video, text, xbox, chat, etc etc, the likelihood of length of infringement, which at some point would switch over to a licence agreement. There's enough there to consider, that the obviously fertile for conjecture minds can work with, to make an estimate from. After all, as I've already pointed out, if so many posters can make so many guesses as to the date & the amt of a sale & do it over & over & over ea time they're wrong & it generates so much interest & fun & volunteers to keep tally up the tally...and not get bored w/that for about a year, then why not do same w/just as interesting a thing to guess about, in fact maybe more interesting, because this amount can help to point up other things to then consider.
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The 2nd guess requested, was for the lowest amount you believe vplm would accept as a sale price. That is also a very interesting amount to consider & estimate. And they both have significant implications for the big picture, whereas the guessing for the date & the price was extraordinarily open to possibilities & not much more than wishful thinking.
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There is no game playing going on here, as has been suggested. I have no thought whatsoever in terms of making it to be a game (altho it seems as tho it would be just as fun as guessing at a date & sale amt, if that's all some would get out of it. As I noted, there is a reason for the query & not a trivial one. And I wasn't trying to be secretive about it either, but I thought it would less skew the resulting avg guesses to not give the reason up front. But since it was suggested that the whole thing was a waste of time game, w/some negative agenda, then I will give the reason & my own guess. The reason is that the avg amount of the guess, which could be assumed to be the most accurate (w/so many knowledgeable & experienced posters) could help to point to who, when, why & how much, should be expected to from the big dogs. If for example, the avg guess was low enough, that should have implications & help explain why nothing has occurred yet & maybe point to why as well. On the other hand, if the avg guess was very high, then it would maybe help to prop faith in & maybe more buying into the low current pps & prop near timelime action & amounts. That's all. I thought it could help to explain what is happening and why it takes so long to happen. But now that I had to explain the reasons, it could serve to skew the end result.
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My guesstimate on future collection of all monies related to infringement penalties & subsequent licencing fees paid, for companies such as MS, Google or Apple, would be in the range of 1-5 billion, minimum. My guess for the lowest amt vplm would currently accept is 1/3 to 1 billion, minimum..
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If guesses are offered, it's important to please try to not make in the spirit of wishful thinking, but solely based on the all the info heretofore offered on this board, by the company and/or any DD done outside of that, which should then in turn produce at least some semblance of fair & reasonable estimates. My hope is that the final avg, for both questions, will speak volumes...

I still want to hear estimates on what ppl think a big dog infringer might have to eventually payout for their infringements..

And I also would like to hear your estimates of the lowest amount of money that vplm would accept at this time for a sale...

All the facts & figures you posted I've read here before & aware of. That's not what I'm looking for. There's a method to my madness. I've already stated upfront I fully realize how difficult a question it is to answer. But you know, of all the posters were able to come up w/a guesstimate of an amount & and a date for the sale, during the past year, and do it over & over & over (which I thought was pretty amusing..), then there's no reason why y'all can't make a guess on the specific question I asked & might be more fun than watching the chart bounce around a dime or 15 cents for the past few months & wait for this goofy board to say something else to get people's goats. As already stated, I'm not looking for any sort of accuracy, just a ballpark, semi educated guess is all. And there's a reason why I would like to see such guesses. It can help to make a point, by a different means than before.

All I want to know is pick a big dog, any big dog, like MS is the best example and guess how much it will cost them in the long & legal run, via the courts pathway, for their infringement, retroactive to about a year ago & just using a guess as to when this hypothetical court case might occur. Let's say in the next 2 or 3 yrs. Thats reasonable. I also already said that this guess assumes that patents are everything we've been led to believe, you know, basically the reason almost everyone is here. And just like there's alot of "facts" already been bandied about, such as the ones you reposted, along with all the other knowledge & opinions that there's no shortage of around here, so all that is enough to loosely crunch the infos & one up with a guess for the heck of it. It's not a test. There is no right or wrong obviously, but I guarantee you the process would produce some interesting & thought provoking guesses. And like I said, after a few guesses, they can be used possibly to help illustrate some other things.

I'll make it even easier. For whatever company you choose as the infringer who at some point winds up getting sued for infringement, use a bracket for you guess of the ultimate and complete settlement. Like this:

$1000-10,000
$10,000-100,000
$100,000-1,000,000
$1,000,000-10,000,000
$10,000,000-100,000,000
$1B-10B

I wonder why no one will even venture a guess as to some idea of how much they think a big dog voip player, such as MS or any of the ones recently listed here, will ultimately have to cough up, one way or the other, for their continued infringement of our patents (with the built in assumption that said patents are fully what they've been cracked up to be by the company.

Heck, if y'all can make guesses, 3 times around, as to the sale amt & date, then why not make an intelligent guess on the above question, which actually is much more important to the eventual outcome.

"1. The patents were issued by the USPTO - ALL of them - every single one that VPLM pursued."
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SO WHAT? WHAT DOES THAT PROVE, OTHER THAT THE APPLICATION MET THEIR CRITEREA FOR PATENTABILITY? PATENTS DON'T COME WITH A CERTIFICATE OF MERCHANTABILITY OR VALUE.

"You know that doesn't happen often - ask Microsoft."
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POOR COMPARISON...MS HAS APPLIED FOR PROBABLY TENS OF THOUSANDS, IF NOT MORE, OF PATENTS, WHOLE VPLM HAS APPLIED FOR LITTLE MORE THAN A HANDFUL...

"Microsoft attempted and failed to get one of the patents."

"PATENTLY (pun intended) FALSE. MS APPLIED FOR THEIR OWN VERSION, NOT THE SAME PATENT. IF THE REASONS FOR DENIAL WAS PRIOR ART, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND THE REASONS GIVEN BY USPTO (but I'll accept it as such). IF MS WAS IN SUCH DIRE NEED FOR OUR LI PATENT, THEN THEY'D HAVE BOUGHT IT BY NOW. PROOF IN THE PUDDING.

"A highly connected firm was retained to market this portfolio. We
haven't heard more since "
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BUT WE WE'RE TOLD THAT WE WOULD RCV A REPORT, VERY SOON, ABOUT THE PROGRESS OF THAT DEAL, HOWEVER, WE NEVER RCVD SAID REPORT... THEN YOU ADDED THAT THERE HAS BEEN SEVERAL" DEVELOPMENTS" SINCE...IN WHAT? ABOUT THIS ASPECT?? WHERE? WHAT "DEVELOPMENTS"?. THEN YOU ADDED IT HASN'T BEEN LONG ENOUGH TIME YET. REALLY? ACCORDING TO WHO OR WHAT? IT'S BEEN WHAT.. ABOUT 3 MOS?

" ...and they were hopeful for a sale before the end of the year."

SO WHAT? WE'RE ALL HOPEFUL FOR ALOT OF THINGS........"HOPEFUL FOR" IS PURE FLUFF & A WASTE OF SPACE. HOPEFUL FOR...BECAUSE OF WHAT SPECIFIC REASONS? ANOTHER SLICE OF BALONEY, CHEAP FOOD FOR THE LEMMINGS...

"There has been nothing but speculation to tell us why yet."

OF COURSE THERE IS NOTHING ELSE BUT SPECULATION. WHAT ELSE COULD THERE BE W/O A REASONS BEEN GIVEN ASIDE FROM SECRECY?

"Any progress and/or lack thereof - there is no evidence EITHER way - of any current offers, any current results or progress on the letters of infringement."

YES, THERE IS A "LACK THEREOF..... BY WAY OF A SIGNIFICSNT AMT OF TIME PASSING W/NO INDICATIONS ANYWHERE, OF ANY PROGRESS. AT SOME REASONABLE POINT IN TIME, THAT CONSTITUTES NO PROGRESS WAS MADE...

" There is no evidence whatsoever that has been provided that the
patents are not useful, not valuable, not in demand."

ABSOLUTELY THERE IS EVIDENCE OF "NOT VALUABLE NOR IN DEMAND. 1 TO 2 YRS AFTER APPROVAL, THEY HAVE GARNERED NOT A PENNY OF INCOME NOR IS THERE ANY DEMAND BEEN DEMONSTRATED BY ANYONE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. TO SAY THAT MEANS NOTHING IS LUDICROUS...

"The patents they hold have no known application
according to the white papers they have written"
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I disagree w/this assessment. I have posted about this before. It makes not a bit of sense, that the company who is touting it's patents, since day one, as the hottest thing since sliced bread, and doing so in its grandest & strongest fashion withing the white papers...would therefore decide to insert there, the idea that 'there is no use for our patents anywhere known'. THAT IS ABSURD. How could you believe in such a thing? Nothing could make less sense. I posted before thst what I think it was supposed to mean was more along the lines to say: 'there is no one known to be using this technology yet', in the context of prior art. As if to say, we find no prior art. I could be wrong about that, but if so, then I have no idea what else it could mean. All I know is that it makes no sense for the company to say that there is no use for the patents. I think they are saying no one is applying it, but that makes no sense either, since they also have clearly said others are infringing on our patents. You are not the 1st person to note that white paper statement as them saying there's no use for our patents, but OBVIOUSLY it must mean something else. Has anyone asked them what it means?

No idea what it is that you "doubt seriously", as you didn't reference anything specific from a sizable post. Stating there is "no merit to my last sentence" makes no sense. I said things are looking worse & worse. They are! Look at the pps for the past 4 mos & you will see an almost steady decline from the .30's to near a dime. The oh so stellar CEO goofed & now finds he has to resign. More & more investors on this board have expressed displeasure with the actions & performance of the company & a significant number of them have outright called company bogus. There was almost none of that a year ago. Everybody was all gung ho. Several promises made by the bod were broken or unfulfilled. The Southbank thingy has amounted to zilch & the timely report we were promised never materialized. Things are misspelled & mis-labled on the white papers but no one cares enough to bother correcting. Lots of empty fluff & ambiguous statements have been in the PR's as numerous posters have complained. The whole blackout thing seems to be some kind of theatrics. Been months since we were told of an offer made, but nothing came of it & it was probably the best thing offered so far, an insult. The reported serious talks with fortune 500 companies turned out to be a lie. DD showed the PhD touted by Sawyer to be phony yet not the slightest effort was made to clearness up. I don't find such an apparent bogus claim to be non trivial. The claim of working for IBM (or whatever it was) by another company bigwig also was shown to be false, and such falsehood was not challenged or corrected. Numerous unsubstantiated or insinuated big claims have been made by the bod, but no one outside of them ever validates any truth to any if it. I could go on with more, but the point is that these things are true & all came out during the past year & supports the statements about a company that once looked promising but has been been going downhill. No money. No sales. No products except unproven, so far valueless patents. Eroding pps. Reports of ongoing big business & market with LI, names many players but does not include vplm or even recognize them. It doesn't take any kind of negative agenda, to see above things as not boding too well for vplm.
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But you say "trust me, it has tremendous value!"...
Where..? What..? How..? Please provide proof of this or at least some strong direct evidence. Anybody can come in here and announce" tremendous value - trust me", so how about some reasons to believe. So far there's no indication whatsoever it is so & more & more indicators seem to be piling up to say nay.
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I fail to see how the bod "hangin around" (if you call playing musical chairs, hanging around..) is an indicator that the portfolio is what it's been cracked up to us, to be? That needs to be explained. And I can think of other reasons for them to hang around...
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You can "go on and on about why the company hasn't sold yet", you say, yet you didn't even begin to show valid reasons or any reasons...
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Saying the pps dropped due to poor last couple PR's isn't so in my opinion because as I already pointed out, pps had a pretty steady drop for past 4 mos & it did almost exactly the same thing for the 4 mos or more previous to that. The way I see it is the pps in general, has been artificially propped up for past year purely from the speculation & hope for riches & promises & teases made about how foundational the patents are, (according to them).
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Once again, if there was truly "tremendous value", it wouldn't need the years of a soap opera to show it, it would be a case where many clamor after that tremendous value. But in this case, before & after all has been said done, NO ONE is clamoring for the patents, no one! And if they were, secretly, as some would like us to believe, behind the scenes, we would know something by now. It has all the earmarks of a pipe dreamm

I agree it's true that it's very difficult to do, but given all the info that the company has had to say about it, and some of the previously posted numbers that can be expected to be seen on voip phone bills for similar services (that was posted here a few mos back), one can at least make lowball, very conservative, ballpark guesses. Besides, it's not so much any sort of accurate amt, as it is for me to make the point that no matter how such amount to are eventually calculated, can there be any doubt, I ask you, that the ultimate totals, as levied eventually, by a court (and/or agreed upon licencing deals) could not amount to such huge amounts of money, so as to NOT be enough of a catalyst (when a company such as MS considers the implications) to cause them to realize that if they don't ACT & act now, to mitigate that potential fortune, that indeed at some point in time, they will have to cough up a huge amt of money, certainly more than what they are gaining now by not buying the portfolio. Doesn't that make sense? Look, do you actually think that their legal teams have not (again, assuming that the patents are what they're cracked up to be..) put forth a significant effort to crunch the potential numbers, before some court does at some point. Sure it's hard, basically impossible, for you or me to know what such monies might amt to, but I guarantee you that MS legal teams have a clue, no?
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So again, in lieu of none of the list of biggies, having had at this point in the game, come up with an offer or an acceptable offer, worth the bod telling us about, then my belief has no choice, but to tell me that the ACTUAL VALUE may very well not be there, for the patents. It really is looking more and more thst way.

Lemme ask again... this way...
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Let's say that some company buys vplm in the near future for let's say a billion... ok, done.. (and has the time, money, resources, to go after big infringers...
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So now, my question, that I wish some of you would answer, is then how much do you think MS will then be liable for in all their infringements, and/or in combination with, a licensing they purchase at some point, and both having a 20 yr time frame..
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HOW MICH (estimate)?????

Good list! And you believe that such a list (and their sum total possible losses, if they don't jump on it) can not, will not, does not, has not...produce one who gets froggy & leaps, uh, for HOW long? (the patents, the technology, and the need for, [if for real] are nothing new you know...

Actually, I believe there IS enough info to draw these conclusions. I have explained it all before several times. It's just basic logic & certain reasonably supported assumptions & then projecting out a probable scenario & common sense based...
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I'm not insisting it is fact beyond other possibility, but I think I connect the dots pretty accurately, based on known facts, to reach the conclusions...
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We have been assured beyond doubt, by the company, that the portfolio is foundational to the entire use of voip & other ancillary internet based communications, even such as text somehow, chat, video, xbox, etc. And that no user or provider of any of these services, which I might add, are ubiquitous worldwide, can do so w/o infringing on vplm patents. That's what we have been told, in no uncertain terms, by the company. If you disagree w/that stop there & unpack that disagreement 1st. Next thing I see to consider is that the now patented technology has been around, developed & known about, for approx 9 yrs & was discussed in detail, in terms of the need for it, long before that (I have posted articles to support that). So it's well known & widely discussed in any professional arenas, for a long time, in terms of the absolute need for it. (by "it", I mean LI, but due to the foundational nature & "connective tissue", the needles for the entire pkg & that also, has been established by the company. Empirical validation of this, is that many countries, if not nearly the entire world already have out in place, or have passed laws stating, that LI is A MUST HAVE (again, along with the rest of the suite), to thwart crime & terrorism
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Next consideration is that we have been assured by the company that they have deeply studied the subject and conclude there is no way around the patents, by other providers & users of voip, and all the ancillary communicative services. Now I'm not making any if that up. I have seen every single element delineated above spelled out as the facts, by the company, in their PR's and white papers. If you disagree w/any of this so far, stop & lay it out, as I believe it to all be factual, published assertions. Without the above baseline, I cannot reach the conclusions I have...
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The next BIG BIG CONSIDERATION, as I see it, (and I have recently come right out & asked for input about it but no one has offered their opinion on it...), is trying to come to some fair, reasonable idea of how much is stood to be lost by any number of big voip players, eventually, by there past, present & continued infringement upon the portfolio. We have been told that basically all the providers & users are infringing, regardless of big or small companies. We also know tho, that the biggest infringers are companies like MS, google, Apple, Cisco, etc. Said infringement would be retroactive to when the patents were approved, approx between 1-2 yrs ago or so...
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Next would be some attempt to ascertain the number of infringements, and the details. Obviously, the number of instances would be so astronomical, it would be a daunting task, but obviously a very very huge number, both in terms of individual infringements & the ultimate value, penalty & awards assigned by a court of law. I don't think it's unreasonable for me to say that over the course of 20 possible yrs worth if infringement (or some measure of licencing made & collected on), that for any one of the big dogs listed, especially MS I believe, that the amt of eventual realized monies collected from licencing & infringement, the potential is for it to be in the billions or 10s of billions or even more. And then times it towards all or as many as possible of the infringing companies, the number or amt of cash, is akin to trying to count the number of stars in a newly discovered galaxy. It is the epitome of "something to write home about". All the allusions to "world changing" is not really exaggerating at all, when one tried to incl & count all the possible infringement & the eventual value generated...
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Again, you gotta stop & throw put the anchors & explain, if any of above is not truly the case, at the very least in terms of what we have been clearly told...
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It has also been stated & it's pretty self evident, that if the patents are indeed what we have been told, as listed above, that since vplm has chosen not to develop the services itself (even tho that was the clearly stated original game plan, as spelled out by Chang) that the technology will either be rented or sold. The reason being that vplm don't have the cash to enforce it's rights (I don't believe that those that do have the money would not step right up to mitigate that issue - - it's the way the world works - create a vacuum & something comes to fill the vacuum if it lends to a progressively richer or more powerful condition). And the idea is that someone w/deep enough pockets will snatch up the portfolio & then be able to successfully sue the other players both big & small, commensurate w/how deep are their pockets. With players such as MS, google, Apple & even maybe Mr slim, the pockets are almost bottomless & so all the other infringers would have to cringe, bow down & pay the paper one way or another. I think it's as simple as that. Please correct me if I have it wrong or have missed something. Pretty basic to me. Money walks, period. Now, with all above in full consideration, by any or all of these big dogs (and I guarantee you that they are fully aware by now of our patent portfolio, not possible they don't, for numerous reasons), then it seems to me that once having surmised that owning this portfolio & the power that comes with it, MUST BE VERY WELL KNOW BY NOW, because as pointed out, it's nothing new, it's all well known stuff. It's not a secret, that is if in fact the patents are TRULY as touted, as opposed to just some elaborate "story". The big boys would know, one way or the other, because they CONT'D NOT AFFORD to not know...
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So this brings up the bottom line...
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They know it's either a whole bogus play...(because they do their DD)...
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Or they know it's 100% USDA, the veritable pure beef!

Once this is realized & if the reality is the tech is fo real...then, considering how long a time it's been the company has not made any deal w/it's one & only product (the portfolio), and the steady erosion of the share price, it become reasonably evident, I think, that as the company is broke, that some entity could at any time come along and get approved to buy this company for a relatively small amt. There are ppl here, recently who have said they'd be overjoyed w/.30, but if going by Malak, it would be minimum of a billion. That would be a drop I the bucket for any of the big dogs, and so THEY ALL HAVE TO KNOW.....that such could happen at any moment...which also means they would known they would then eventually not only be liable for all their part of infringement, but if they are guilty enough, the lawsuit will indeed EVENTUALLY COME.... no way around it, except to make a licencing deal at some point to kind of "stop the flow"...
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So this bring to fore that if all above is accepted as the true facts, that there is no way in hell that these big dogs, with sooo much to lose, would just sit back & not do anything. In earlier days & stages of this "process", it would be fair & reasonable to play the "takes time" card, by those of us that have to just sit back & watch it all play out. But as dire as the above scenario shows it evident to be, to any big dogs who sit back & let this portfolio slip from their hands, while some smaller entity can grab it for a bargain price, while vplm is suffering it's "broke-ness"...it means very simply that they just can't afford to do that. It might be easy enough for these big corps to pick & choose at will, what they would like to gobble nuptials next but In this case, too too too much at stake. In other words, all this make vplm A MUST HAVE, thing! How could it be otherwise?
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That, is my case for the major possibility or probability, that they have determined vplm portfolio to not be what it has been promised & touted & at the same time, it explains reasonably certain, that said big dogs have in fact NOT, made any serious play (or any) at all, for vplm, because BY NOW...we would know something about it! Much time has passed & you can't play the takes more time card forever, or in this case, for too long. ...
Above said, I admit the above explanation does not necessarily include Mr Slim, because I don't know if he is a major infringer or not..

"... Still, you have to wonder whether VPLM's patents might offer Mr. Slim the challenges (e.g. game changing industry patents)that he seems to be looking for ...and the rewards!..."
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Mr Slim seems a perfect for for vplm. Months ago, I said the same & posted his address & urged ppl to send him msgs about vplm. I personally did send a similar msg to him...

I believe the fact that he has not apparently, made any move to aquire vplm or the patent portfolio, just another big example of the lack of belief in vplm, specifically the patents. The same is demonstrated by the fact that MS, on behalf of Skype & their other voip involvements (such as xbox), also apparently done zilch to show interest in or snatch up LI or the whole pkg, even in the face of MS's apparent attempt at getting their own patent. I emphasize "apparent", because I have posted here before, the more likely reasons for the "motions" they went thru, which are far more plausible than believing that they would've dumbly applied for the same (essentially) patent, knowing they had no chance to get it, especially after the prerequisite DD & prior art searches which would've been performed by the major lawyers they have at their disposal. It is simple & obvious that if they truly saw the sort of value in our portfolio, as has been cracked up to be for the last couple of years, that after they (MS) lost out to vplm, they would UNDOUBTABLY made a major grab for vplm.. However, as with all the rest of the big dogs, who have some pretty big dogs in the fight, there is not the slightest indication that any of them have made such a play for vplm. Doesn't bode well..

Not really. The listings on this article come across to me as less than professionally written, more like "entertainment value" type of thing & pretty loose in it assertion. And vplm only fits a limited part of the listed criteria. I think there is some merit in the article, but mostly a "take with a grain of salt" type thing.

Things, by far, don't look good for vplm, imho, but I can't go as far as calling scam, while it certainly isn't ruled out at all. I'm more "agnostic" about the baseline reasons for all the lacking elements I see & the apparent failings & the fact that vplm is hanging on tenuously, I think. It's either a full on scam, or horrendous mngmnt, or on the up & up. The case for "on the up & up" has become very weak for many reasons & very difficult to swallow that possibility, but still possible. It seems more to fit the mold of "bad management" on purpose, ie, made to appear as real but really a scam. But it's possible also, to be a series of bad decisions, perhaps based on infighting? As shown by many here, the whole set up in general, plus the ensuing actions & non actions of the company, fit the prerequisites of scam, far more than a legit play. And most of the supposed signs of legitimacy, to me, have, by some of the better work done on this board, been shown to not hold much water, when held up to the kind of scrutiny that it should be subjected to. And there is no doubt in my mind, regardless if it's a scam or not or something in between, that there are numerous "kool-aid drinkers" resident here, ruled more by hidden emotion & ego, than hard facts.

There are many in over a dime (or so) They're all underwater. I hope the losses are minimal. My advice is to mitigate such losses by selling into any further possible spikes, if you can, at least towards the goal of covering your initial investment, because it is quite obvious & undeniable (by reasonable ppl) that the risk of big losses is more probable & expected than ever, unless you are fully ready, willing & able to go for broke & risk it. In my case, I have been in for approx 2-3 yrs (I forget) and never sold a share & it doesn't make too much sense for me sell because i dont have that much in, and not enough shares to make it real viable to day trade the ups & downs, so I just sit and watch it slowly dissolving & hope for the miracle, but no longer under any illusions about this being the opportunity of a lifetime. I would have had much more in, had I not gone broke when I was buying more & more.

This "explanation" sounds ridiculous to me. Give one example of anything valuable ever sold by keeping it & it's proven value a secret. That does not compute to me. Or an example of something that could not be sold or garner it's full value, because of advertising it to the appropriate targets. Of course the caveat being that there is a patented owner of such product beforehand. All this red herring logic is bs & in the meantime, the rest of the voip players couldn't seem to care less about vplm. Boy, they must be purty stoopid, huh?

"Patent attorney expert conducting a thorough multi-stage prior art analysis could come to the conclusion that the patents mean nothing. Furthermore, the USPTO thinks the patents are something."
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Actually there are other ways to determine how good/important the patents are: such as look at the years long level of recognition vplm has garnered, from the market & the media, about its patents, both pre & post approval. (note: if you wish to incl the Fortune 500 Co touts, they turned out to be bogus claims, by the company, according to huck fin, so incl that would not help your score). And, as I have noted previously, the granting of patents by the USPTO, does not give them value or lend to their possible efficacy in the real world. As patents, they have now been around for between a year & 2. As applications (well known ones) they have been around for a bunch if years. Fact is there's no apparent interest or moves by any voip player, about them or to obtain them, none. If there was, believe me, we would know something about it, by now, beyond unvalidated teases. And the MS argument never held water, because if true, then once they were denied & vplm got the award, by now MS would've snatched it up at least for LI for Skype. Vplm seems to be in the business of slicing baloney....extremely thin at that.

You're way off the marks. You need to be more careful in how you read things. 1st off, you replied to me originally, referring to something I quoted that someone else said; it wasn't I that said it, so you should've replied to that poster. 2ndly, of course I don't think presidential advisements should be public news. That's ridiculous. The point of what I wrote was a comparison about making mistakes & then hiding behind them. I specifically referred to "mistakes" when I said do you think he would hide behind them while advising presidents. That has nothing to do w/the public. What I meant was that in that capacity, when a mistake was made, normally he would be upfront about having made the mistake & explained it, so that the president or whomever he is advising, would not only know the corrected facts but also wouldn't feel it had been hidden behind, but rather, the advisor was forthright about it. In this case, w/vplm, there is a fiduciary duty to keep investors reasonably informed. If he stepped down due to making such a mistake (the sign-off) then why not simply say so, esp in this current atmosphere with ever increasing doubts about the company & erosion of pps. In such an atmosphere, secrecy adds to the wounds. Furthermore if he made an honest mistake, and it is discovered & then we are informed about it, as we were, along w/the coming plan of action, then why not simply move on from there, "his stellar-ness"? Why resign & take also away from us the benefit of his vast experience & abilities. You mean to tell me he could get thru decades of the highest levels of public/private service, but then, due to a small mistake, supposedly due to inheriting a mess, it is discovered & so he resigns? Not buying that. Anyway, the point is, there was no suggestion that presidential advisements should be public (unless the president so chose..) and you are wrong to think that this play, possibly on the brink of failure, does not deserve more transparency. There is no way in hell, that being more transparent about that item and many many more important but highly ambiguous things they have said, would be a negative & harm the company. Remember, there in fact, is not a single shred of evidence that the portfolio is valuable, and so far the market has no belief in it either & the company has nothing else & is broke. If you have some actual evidence to the contrary (not conjecture) then please present it. By the way, we were promised a timely report about the progress of "Southpark", but that turned out to be just another empty promise. They said it, not me, so where is it? And by the way, to those who seem to characterize the ideas put forth about more transparency are by ppl who are stupid & think that it should be "gutted" & spill out all the inside knowledge, get a grip, most understand there are things sensitive & better held close to the vest. It's a matter of the ability to discern what is beneficial to investors & the company, to be more transparent about.

"My personal opinion about why Sawyer stepped aside is precisely because
he signed off on it - probably in error - not having the full history - and
probably regrets that."
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The above quote is not mine, so your post is to the wrong person.

"My personal opinion about why Sawyer stepped aside is precisely because he signed off on it - probably in error - not having the full history - and probably regrets that."
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and my personal opinion is that if above is the case, then it would've been better for him to simply say so, rather than hide behind "for personal reasons", which leaves anything else just conjecture (mostly negative). If he made an honest mistake, man up & say so, especially with all the doubts surrounding this company...after all, such a "stellar" business figure ought to be more transparent. Do you think he was that secretive about any mistakes when he was advising all those presidents?

And as to the "new guard changeover" as you put it, isn't it pretty much all the same guys anyway...just playing musical chairs?

Sorry, I was too late to get this edit in..
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And unfortunately, they don't seem to be able to, or even the slightest bit interested in showing any proof to the contrary. These things look very bad & they perfectly fit the playbill that the SEC continually sends out notices to us that these are the earmarks of fraud & we should be fully aware of it, not to mention the fact that such a similar scenario as this turns out bad WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME, in the pinks??? (while the blinded faithful, under the influence of kool-aid, it seems, keep insisting, contrary to the obvious, vs the contrived, that it's all chicken little..). They insist the indicators are good, when they clearly are not. They insist on loyalty no matter how much incompetence has been demonstrated It sooo reminds me of the "religious experience", where excuses are the soup de joir, regardless if how bad or ridiculous the written words are. They can't seem to digest the simple fact that if the portfolio was what it was cracked up to be, there's no way in hell thst it would be ignored for this long. So they contrive "logic" that suits the weather for them. Too funny (but sad). And the recent comment about how "we'll show them that they should've listened to us & held" (paraphrased) is indicative of a sophomoric attitude of "we win-you lose" mentality, rather than deal with the undeniable negative facts as tho none of them had the slightest merit.

Bottom line - over a year since patent approvals & outside of the PR's & white papers & faithful long msg boarder's, there is not a shred of outside evidence to so much as suggest that the patents are what they have been touted as & the market & the pps & all the big dogs that are fully aware of vplm (that is an undeniable fact) have shown they couldn't care less about our patents, period. It is simple economics that a commodity or a technology that is worth multi billions, to say the least, would be left ignored like this, plain & simple, but the faithful will continue to find ways to explain it away, to save face.

And unfortunately, they don't seem to be able to, or even the slightest bit interested in, showing any proof to the contrary. These things look very bad & they perfectly fit the playbill that the SEC continually sends out notices to us that these are the earmarks of fraud & we should be fully aware of it, not to mention the fact that such a stick similar scenario as this turns out bad WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME??? (while the blinded faithful, under the influence of kool-aid, it seems, keep insisting, contrary to the obvious, vs the contrived, that it's all chicken little..). They insist the indicators are good, when they clearly are not. It sooo reminds me of the "religious experience", where excuses are the soup de joir, regardless if how bad or ridiculous the written words are.

Nice "story" and last week's post about all the numerous companies involved with the ongoing and fully active market in LI, was also very informative. Too bad vplm was not included in it in any way, shape or form & garners absolutely 0 recognition from ANYONE outsider wise. Why? Nobody has an answer to it.. (oh yeah, I know, I know, "it takes time", doesn't happen overnight, lol, lol).

Assuming that the vplm patent suite is as necessary & foundational to the future operations of voip, in its numerous forms (which the patents cover all of), I would like to hear opinions on what retroactive penalties the biggest of those in the voip business might wind up having to cough up, in the eventual lawsuits that everyone seems to agree will happen once the patents are in the hands of those that have the money to buy & then initiate the lawsuits. I'm pretty sure that every investor here agrees that is the eventuality to occur, right? So then, what do you think when that finally happens will be the damages that will have to paid, ballpark, say from MS/skype, or Google, etc etc or any other Big Dog that is not the one who buys it? I'm only interested in what you might think the damages will be for 1 of the the big infringers. This figure could be expressed as an "up to now" estimate, or any other time frame from when any of the patents were approved, up til as much as the 20 year long patent rights. I know it's not an easy amt to figure, esp since we are not even told if the promised letters actually went out or not (which changes the amt of damages due) plus you can't know how long til such a suit & a judgement might take to happen. Therefore I'll make it easy. It's already somewhere between 1 & 2 yrs of infringement (assuming the patents actually are being infringed which we don't even know that for certain) going on, so base it on that kind of time frame (incl of course the minimum amt of time it would take til such a case was brought to the point of judgement, which obviously would be another significant chunk of time before that gets to that point. So that would make it a minimum of 2-3 yrs of infringement having had occurred up to that point. And and you can assume it's not "aggravated" by having had been sent a letter beforehand. (even tho that is doubtful to believe that a major infringer would never even get notified they are infringing..but just for sake of making this estimate of infringement penalty, that I'm asking for your estimates of, to be on the most conservative side of things.

So pick a big dog & make your ultra conservative estimate of what damages they will eventually have to pay. After all, that IS what will happen eventually, right? (because w/o that belief, then there could be no belief in ANY value, right?... which would make the whole idea of being a stockholder a moot point in terms of the portfolio....but fine if all you're interested in is to surf the waves that surround the PR's & the ensuing speculation, until the gov steps in or BK.

Yes, I remember all that & it bothered me then as well, but I disagree w/your takeaway.. Either the patents are truly necessary & foundational to voip, or they ain't. If they are, then one doesn't have to be a genius or a math wizard to project a massive value, even quite conservatively... or they are not needed nor of any value whatsoever. I don't think there's any middle ground. Therefore, if they are as touted, anyone can project out to an eventual huge amt of $ the portfolio will garner, by hook or by crook, one way or the other. That's the very nature of a product being needed & foundational, period. Otherwise, (and "otherwise" is what it is looking more & more everyday, for month after month, after month), it has NO value whatsoever, at least not any real, bona-fide value. So if they are for real, then it is simply stupid to sell out on a 10+ year long effort to bring then to fruition, by selling it cheap, quick, easy. This company has the resources of 5 (or more) law firms, that have been said to, in large part, specialize in patent law & voip technology, not to mention that as stated before & not ever refuted, there are any number of legal ppl, or teams, who, if they saw the said necessity & huge value of the portfolio, could & would step up and SEE IT THRU, to happen...you know, like: "engage!"..."make it so!" It is said: "where there's a will, there's a way"... I'm this case, "where there's a massive fortune, there's a way". That...is the bottom line. All the rest of the "explanations" are merely excuses for what's what...

A very recent post stated that this play is nothing more than a stock selling scheme... and every indication that has become evident about this company, for a long time now, seems to support that theory almost completely. How does 99.9999999% of all other penny's, with any similarity to this "touted story" turn out. We are the one in a billion who is gonna prove to be different, right???

If this is for real (hard to believe at this point) then immediately what needs to happen is:
1) offer proof that there was an offer to monetize months ago
2) offer proof that you have kept your (vague) word & sent out said legal letters
3) using any resources available (Malak...?) initiate a small infringement suit against a small infringer, ie, an easy, simple, open & shut case. That would result in either an offer to settle out-of court, in quick order, or a court imposed penalty. That, would get the snowball a rollin' & then, sooner or later, a big dog would pretty much realize that they had better get off their duff and pay the big bucks to put an end to this world shattering voip threat.

Simply put, anyone can, if the portfolio is truly foundational, just project out to the eventual natural outcome of dealing with these patents, which would HAVE to amt to a massive fortune. And we already have it established that the penalties will be retroactive to one degree or another, sometimes tripled. THIS SET OF FACTS CANNOT BE DENIED OR IGNORED BY THE BIG BOYS, ie, MS, GOOGLE, CISCO, etc......

......yet, no one is jumping or even shows the slightest care about it, and the pps is tanking & the bod plays tiddlywinks, so most likely, the patents are worthless. In fact, I challenge anyone to show a single shred of direct evidence of value of the patents. (saying that they were granted by USPTO, or that MS tried for their version of LI, is not "direct evidence").

I thought he had 40%? Did he aquire an additional amt equal to control?

Thank you for reminding & explaining that. I think you are right, but I don't know how much it matters, save the bod stepping up YESTERDAY w/some words for the s/h's, some explanation & encouragement. And how about news on the letters progress & Southpark progress. I'm afraid moot points..trying to be open minded, but they aren't helping at all..

I think that is profoundly true. Even if by some miracle it turned around & made it big, the basic philosophy is true & renders such proclamations as utter nonsense.

Sadly, it may be as simple as that...

Here we see that painful & steady & deep erosion of the pps, but the "stellar" bod, who finds it necessary to put out a PR to announce a reissue of a PR already published (the Aussie version of the Southbank pr), has NOTHING TO SAY NOW. sad, very sad

Convenient to not have the energy as all those so called strong points have systematically, one by one been shown to be not nearly as strong as originally believed. Paper tiger strengths. Wishful thinking strengths. The tech has been with us pre & post bpatent awards, for quite some time now & fact o matter is it gets no respect whatsoever. No one has made any serious or significant move to buy or licence this earth shattering techno, perhaps none at for all we know. We've been strung along for so long, the majority here now recognize it as such. None of the touts have proven to amount to anything but talk. There are so many actual, factual, negatives vs mere hopeful conjecture you could list. No proof of anything. No sales. No income. No letters. No infringement lawsuits. No licence agreements. Promises broken. CEO can't handle it & is secretive about why. Meaningless, fruitless deal w/Southbank. Malak gets almost everything. Phony degrees. Phony bio facts. Unprofessional spelling, grammar & use of terms in white papers. Now old promise to be reporting turned out to be nothing more than hot air. No real valuation. turns out MS doesn't give a crap about the LI after all (was just a ploy). Candy refuses to identify himself with vplm while around the world prompting all things voip (what a freaking joke that is...). The whole fortune/s & p 500 tour turned out to be bogus BS. I could probably go on for the rest of the nitd by just thinking, but my fingers are hurting.. Promise to incorporate the techno into our supposed (contrived?) "cutting edge", VoIP telephone company. Magic jack affiliation turns out to be another fallacy (while magic jack itself, continues to make sales everyday to this day). Recent report posted here which reveals a booming legal intercept business for everybody but vplm. Promise to update us on the progress of Southbank, in a timely fashionable turning out to be another empty promise, no confidence around anywhere except a few "wishful" stockholders who got in so cheap it's hard for them to ever feel the losses too seriously. Oh man, I can't even hold the phone up anymore... A chill that never gets lifted. 5 or more major legal teams whose work has achieved what for us...squat? All the sold off shares. Only negative buying, as the pps continues to tank, tank, tank. PR's filled with mystery and ambiguity as many here agree. Conference calls that aren't conference calls at all, but really just infomercials & all scripted. Gotta stop for dinner. Getting dry fingers... One hell of a bag o goodies, I'll say. Anyone care to add to this list?

Delusional based on illusion. Twisted facts (for convenience--saying you have no dog in this fight is like saying I have no car, except this one I'm driving--fuzzy logic). There's been PLENTY of news--on a regular & ongoing basis...but all secretive, ambiguous, misleading, mistaken & unsupported & not a shred of it has been shown to come to fruition... They report "news" & then there's no followup ever....hmmm....a HALLMARK of technique derived from "the handbook", perfectly delivered "tenants" of the playbill??

Stating "It will remain a good investment" is not only just a wishful thinking opine, but is couched like advice, but actually isn't such hot advice at this point for others.. What have you to back up such a claim?..."stellar board"?.."MS tried.. "?.." foundational, world-changing patent portfolio"?.. 'Southbank throwing around their heavyweight'.. A reported "offer to monetize", lol, lol, lol.. "in talks (or not) with F500's or S&P500" &and/or several/multiple big players?.. WHAT?? Please list your basis.

"...one doesn't just throw a penny in the fountain, close one's
eyes and wish. That's not what investing is about..."

condescending & grossly assuming, as if all the DD done as best as we all could do, amounts to something that falls far short of your own personal level of DD & investment smarts. If your pocket is currently in the black, congrats, if not, blowin smoke is all... And, since time has PROVEN nothing solid w/this company (outside of the fact that a set of patents exists...big deal), then you also did nothing more than throw some dice, period.

I don't WANT to be negative, for the sake of itself, as you clearly suggest is the how many are dealing here.. If the facts are negative, it's negative facts, not negative ppl. Conversely, one can employ all the positive nrg they want & that is just fine, but it makes for a positive personality, not a positive fact. If it works, great, but it doesn't seem to be working too well here..

"...and there are some minor points that I hear... "

Characterizing all the hard work, DD, facts, which have not been debunked, such a long & serious list as it is... as "minor points", and calling it as nothing more than "sour grapes" is insulting & reveals the blinders.. For EVERY so called "negative" I have posted, it was preceded by a hopeful, faithful, believing POSITIVE commentary made, but then the actions, lack of actions, unsupported, unfulfilled promises, created the vacuous conditions to make followup comments. I defended every word & action first, before THEY made a mockery of themselves & I explained ea & every negative opinion, rather than make shallow, passing zingers. As well, many others here have done the same to one degree or another & I defend & applaud their efforts to dig to the core truth, ESPECIALLY in lieu of much proven truth from the BOD & the comic book PR's.

"...nothing but sour grapes and FTW.
Failure to wait."

I beg your pardon - - see above! And "FTW"...is only a valid argument up to a certain point...and then becomes nothing more than another common but empty catch phrase, all too transparently stubborn... Although I will give that we were basically promised (pretty close to) a sale or other action that would make us all happy by the end of the year. Sounds great for 5 minutes but they have a way of leaving me more wondering & doubtful almost as quick as the PR mill churns out the good news gospel

"There is a legitimate and rational reason for a delay right now. Speculate to
your heart's content, but not a single one of us has the true inside
information... "

Thankyou...for such a beautiful example of your circular & self propping logic. 1st you DECLARE there are legit reasons for delays, something that you cannot support with any known facts & blame "speculation", and then you answer to your own fallacy, by immediately following that by declaring it's ALL speculation, including your own declaration that there is a "legitimate reason". I find THAT to be nothing more than crafty wordplay. Either there's "a legitimate reason" OR just you SPECULATING, sorry, ya can't have it both ways.

"...not a single one of us has the true inside
information... "

That is more doublespeak, illusionary, baloney, sliced too thin, not buying.. The truth of the matter is that ALL OF THE INFO WE HAVE... HAS... (wait for it...) been GIVEN TO US BY THE INSIDERS!!!!!! (and then, and only then, when the crap doesn't pan out, in one-way or another, a combo of facts & speculation naturally follows, quite RIGHTFULLY so..). So what "sounds childish to you" is really your mischaracterizations of the legitimate reactions to the disappointment action/non actions of the company.

"Those who wait, and play their hands
looking at what IS happening, not what one hopes to happen will be
rewarded. "

More talking out-of both sides of your mouth. Remember, what Is happening...is, according according you, nothing beyond pure speculation (when what you ACTUALLY do is cherry pick what is fact & what is speculation, to suit your theme ("..goin' where the weather suits my clothes", lol, lol). Where do you get your RIGHT or AUTHORITY to guarantee stockholders that they WILL be rewarded, if they hang tuff? Isn't that famous last words of shucksters.

"The portfolio is worth something far greater than it's traded now."

Is THAT a FACT? can you offer proof of it, any reasonable proof?...or is that more not your wishful thinking, SPECULATING?

"If the company were put on the market for.12 there would be a line out the
door of buyers just to put a lid on these patents and make them go away.. "

More pure speculation & quite unlikely based on the fact that no one but us, has demonstrated an iota of belief in the patents to be what theyve been cracked up to be, and in fact, seem to have simply ignored the patents and voip-pal, as clearly evidenced by the recently posted here (by a "child", right?) article about the huge legal intercept MARKET that is & has been...marching on their merry way, without our patents or voip-pal. Thems the facts, not speculation.

And you cap all this off then, with: "but trust me"... too funny

Nice list...I also like the list of "tenants" in the white paper. Maybe you should fwd this list now to "down under" so they can read it too! (I think it takes twice before it gets all the way to southern hemisphere...) No worries.. Stellar board..and surely MS is almost ready to pounce (within another year or three..) and they're real patents, really, Really, REALLY! Im not kidding

Looked him up, saw his site, seems genius in this endeavor. Have no doubt he's the artist, so noted. But he doesn't sign his work or ask for any recognition. If you recognized it as such, Thx for giving credit where due.

I didn't forget to acknowledge anyone. Several times on this board, I made reference to the experience I went thru w/another stock, not a penny, that was built up for many yrs to be a heleva investment, but eventually went belly up & was shown to be a scam at least with respect to the ceo & biggest money raiser, both busted by the SEC. I tried to use the example of that company here, as a cautionary tale, regardless of the fact it was a totally different type of company, because the pertinent part, was how a stock & it's PR's & it's msg board promoters, could look great for many years, only to eventually wind up being a loser for the majority, to the tune of hundreds of millions of $. The point was not well rcvd here, but I tried. The graphic was posted on that site, for that company. It was not signed (as far as I can see) & there was no other reference or acknowledgement made to any such author. It appeared to be a kind of stock photo, where you can put whatever company name you want to it, which is what I did. While it is sad to all those who lose money on these things, I found the picture hilarious & very apropos, potentially. I have no idea who created it.

"There is virtually no
exposure anywhere else on the web involving VPLM."
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I don't think that's actually true. Every single PR (of any importance) has been published all over the Web for a long time, to all the major financial news agencies. I have reprinted them here a couple of times. WSJ, NYT, WASH. POST, plus many many of the large & small so called analysis reports online. Bottom line, vplm is no secret, guaranteed. The whole story is well known to any & all of the major players. For crying out loud, supposedly there was the "battle" between MS & VPLM, for the patent.. c'mon...

But don't forget... Candy went all over the world speaking to all the big dogs about the now & the future of VOIP!!! but guess what....he all but denied the existence of anything named VOIP-PAL!

GIVE ME A BREAK