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Frankey,
Do you know if the other system's customers get a reduction from thier insurance company's if they install the cheaper system? Just wondering as I spoke with a person in my area's school district and I was told, at this point, since we did have an incident some years ago, the school district requires all busses to be checked at the end of the day by the driver and a completely different employee. The person I spoke with said that it would be cheaper to install a system, especially one that would reduce insurance costs, rather than pay for manpower to "double check" each and every bus daily.
The prospect of an insurance reduction seemed more attractive. Not only would the school district enjoy a reduction in insurance costs for the liability but also they would be able to reduce man hours for the "re-check." This might ultimately also lead to a reduction in overall manpower needs without increasing liability exposure.
I am currently trying to find out who to approach that might have the ability or the knowledge to bring ATWEC's products to the attention of the school district at least for consideration.
TIA,
Nez
amechi,
I apologize for any overly critical thoughts I may have had, when you voiced you opinion about ATWEC and background about your, IMO, negative experience with them.
IMO, by posting the "news story" and the fact that it may very well have a positive impact on ATWEC shows you are a fair and forgiving individual who recognizes holding a grudge or anger is of less value than helping the public learn about a problem which threatens children as well as a solution for it. If I had experienced what you and your family did I honestly don't know if I would be willing to spread the word about a situation which might benefit those who wronged you. I know some may say it is just because your relative may still has an investment in ATWEC but I choose to believe you are the kind of person who sees that in spite of being treated in the manner you and yours were, you are more concerned for the welfare of children than hanging on to anger.
FWIW,
Nez
Hi guys,
Sure is nice to click to upbeat posts finally! I think if they (ATWEC) have been accumulating positive and firm information, for release "after" something constructive happens, then today may be much more than a simple rain storm. It must have taken a large amount of guts , in conjunction with high levels of confidence based on facts, to be able to sustain a "black out" for as long as they have while watching the pps dribble to all time lows.
Looking at the result from past prs as well as the fact that it is a Friday, the information in the "update" should have sent us past the bottom of the toilet and into the main sewer line but so far so good.
JMO,
Nez
arizona1,
IMO, that is the key. Not sitting around wringing ones hands and then scratching ones head trying to figure out what to do. Find customers and sell the product.
Oh yeah, tell someone who might be willing to invest in your efforts about how the company is doing.
JMHO,
Nez
One more OT:
Check this out.... if the images are moving very fast, then ATWEC may not be a stock for you LOL!
Nez
http://www.wonderfulinfo.com/amazing/optill/pg7.htm
OT
Will this be the feeling that folks who "have had it with ATWEC" will feel after their initial loss of selling?
Automobile
George Seldon received a patent in 1895 - for the automobile. Four years later, George sold the rights for $200,000.
Taken from:http://www.wonderfulinfo.com/winfo/facttech.htm
Nez
OT a little levity:
I thought, from past posts, spelling was important? Check this out!
The Phenomenal Power of the Human Mind
I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid! Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh, and I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt.
Nez
JMO, but X'ACTLY!!!
Nez
JMO,
but as long as we see "odd" movement in pps, to me anyway, this is an indication that entities with enough financial influence to cause the pps to move in unexpected ways...buy at ask, pps drops...whack the bid, pps drops,
information comes out.. pps drops, all in the absence of any factual information. Also, there is a fairly strict channel or spread, regardless of the lack of news, facts, volume or lack there of.
I can only assume that this is a company that provides professional traders with a certain level of confidence in the company and they feel it is worth the time and effort they put into its control.
Keep in mind also that through this board, the people who seem to influence the stock simply just needed to monitor this board to get a general idea of what level the pps needs to be before we see a great amount of selling or panic. We have also "telegraphed" the levels at which we want to sell so they can dump before us. This all translates to me that we are at their mercy and have placed ourselves there. I am as guilty as the next for providing this information to those who want to profit from a situation in which they can control and predict to a certain extent the pps and trade accordingly. The pps seems to be kept in a range in which those holding less than 5 - 10 million shares can't make much money flipping. In other words, they know the limits needed to be maintained in order to keep us hostage.
What IMO needs to happen, in addition to the past posts about solutions, is for "longs" to do something unexpected. Unfortunately, as long as we are on a financial leash, this doesn't seem to be possible as "they" already know that we (longs)are about tapped out both financially and psychologically.
They know the people who understand the potential of the company are now the ones who want out, not due to lack of confidence in the product, but rather due to the apparent lack of ability by the company to keep investors informed. I guess I feel that as long as there are indications of people, whoever that might be, spending time and effort to exert control over the pps (I doubt people like this would do anything without doing and re-doing their homework) then this in and of itself, is an indication that we have a legitimate company here. I am also intrigued by the recent mention of ATWEC filing to become a "minority" owned company. This is something that will give ATWEC an "edge." I am guessing that Mr. Wiley didn't do so before as he felt that the product would carry the day on a level playing field. Now that we are hearing rumblings of finally becoming registered as a minority owned company, this may also be an indication that Mr. Wiley now realizes that he is not on a level playing field and needs to take advantage of everything that may help. Just some thoughts.
JMHO,
Nez
Came across these ideas and at this point for the many who are into the stock, IMO, nothing has changed with the stock except possibly the manipulation of pps by those who can. This is something that is not in our control. After buying in at prices higher than they are now and knowing the company is still what it was when it was invested in, why sell at a loss now when most know it is just a matter of time before the pps moves up?
JMO but I feel there is no chance Mr. Wiley would take the chance of exposing himself/company to possible accusations, litigation, freezing of all the company's finances and worst case scenario, prosecution due to using or allowing to be used, his long time efforts to build a company. Check out the following rules of one investor. They are not all applicable to ATWT, but I highlighted the ones IMO, which are. FWIW, the reason I am staying in at a level I am comfortable with is because I feel the demand for the products will increase and I also feel there are other markets not yet identified by we investors, where ATWEC's products can be utilized. I am sure people with experience in other industries have said "gee, I wonder if that devise could be used here?" If ATWEC is interested in being successful, then IMO, they would be searching and trying to identify other customer bases. Yes, some have broken some of the following rules but at this point why settle with the sure losses that will accompany selling now when one could enjoy gains from, what in my opinion has a greater probability, and that is that the odds of a rebound are quite good?
JMHO,
Nez
http://stockcharts.com/education/TradingStrategies/TradingRules.html
Richard Rhodes' Trading Rules
I must admit, I am not smart enough to have devised these ridiculously simple trading rules. A great trader gave them to me some 15 years ago. However, I will tell you, they work. If you follow these rules, breaking them as infrequently as possible, you will make money year in and year out, some years better than others, some years worse - but you will make money. The rules are simple. Adherence to the rules is difficult.
"Old Rules...but Very Good Rules"
If I've learned anything in my 17 years of trading, I've learned that the simple methods work best. Those who need to rely upon complex stochastics, linear weighted moving averages, smoothing techniques, Fibonacci numbers etc., usually find that they have so many things rolling around in their heads that they cannot make a rational decision. One technique says buy; another says sell. Another says sit tight while another says add to the trade. It sounds like a cliche, but simple methods work best.
1.)The first and most important rule is - in bull markets, one is supposed to be long. This may sound obvious, but how many of us have sold the first rally in every bull market, saying that the market has moved too far, too fast. I have before, and I suspect I'll do it again at some point in the future. Thus, we've not enjoyed the profits that should have accrued to us for our initial bullish outlook, but have actually lost money while being short. In a bull market, one can only be long or on the sidelines. Remember, not having a position is a position.
2.)Buy that which is showing strength - sell that which is showing weakness. The public continues to buy when prices have fallen. The professional buys because prices have rallied. This difference may not sound logical, but buying strength works. The rule of survival is not to "buy low, sell high", but to "buy higher and sell higher". Furthermore, when comparing various stocks within a group, buy only the strongest and sell the weakest.
3.)When putting on a trade, enter it as if it has the potential to be the biggest trade of the year. Don't enter a trade until it has been well thought out, a campaign has been devised for adding to the trade, and contingency plans set for exiting the trade.
4.)On minor corrections against the major trend, add to trades. In bull markets, add to the trade on minor corrections back into support levels. In bear markets, add on corrections into resistance. Use the 33-50% corrections level of the previous movement or the proper moving average as a first point in which to add.
5.)Be patient. If a trade is missed, wait for a correction to occur before putting the trade on.
6.)Be patient. Once a trade is put on, allow it time to develop and give it time to create the profits you expected.
7.)Be patient. The old adage that "you never go broke taking a profit" is maybe the most worthless piece of advice ever given. Taking small profits is the surest way to ultimate loss I can think of, for small profits are never allowed to develop into enormous profits. The real money in trading is made from the one, two or three large trades that develop each year. You must develop the ability to patiently stay with winning trades to allow them to develop into that sort of trade.
8.)Be patient. Once a trade is put on, give it time to work; give it time to insulate itself from random noise; give it time for others to see the merit of what you saw earlier than they.
9.)Be impatient. As always, small loses and quick losses are the best losses. It is not the loss of money that is important. Rather, it is the mental capital that is used up when you sit with a losing trade that is important.
10.)Never, ever under any condition, add to a losing trade, or "average" into a position. If you are buying, then each new buy price must be higher than the previous buy price. If you are selling, then each new selling price must be lower. This rule is to be adhered to without question.
11.)Do more of what is working for you, and less of what's not. Each day, look at the various positions you are holding, and try to add to the trade that has the most profit while subtracting from that trade that is either unprofitable or is showing the smallest profit. This is the basis of the old adage, "let your profits run."
12.)Don't trade until the technicals and the fundamentals both agree. This rule makes pure technicians cringe. I don't care! I will not trade until I am sure that the simple technical rules I follow, and my fundamental analysis, are running in tandem. Then I can act with authority, and with certainty, and patiently sit tight.
13.)When sharp losses in equity are experienced, take time off. Close all trades and stop trading for several days. The mind can play games with itself following sharp, quick losses. The urge "to get the money back" is extreme, and should not be given in to.
14.)When trading well, trade somewhat larger. We all experience those incredible periods of time when all of our trades are profitable. When that happens, trade aggressively and trade larger. We must make our proverbial "hay" when the sun does shine.
15.)When adding to a trade, add only 1/4 to 1/2 as much as currently held. That is, if you are holding 400 shares of a stock, at the next point at which to add, add no more than 100 or 200 shares. That moves the average price of your holdings less than half of the distance moved, thus allowing you to sit through 50% corrections without touching your average price.
Think like a guerrilla warrior. We wish to fight on the side of the market that is winning, not wasting our time and capital on futile efforts to gain fame by buying the lows or selling the highs of some market movement. Our duty is to earn profits by fighting alongside the winning forces. If neither side is winning, then we don't need to fight at all.
Markets form their tops in violence; markets form their lows in quiet conditions.
The final 10% of the time of a bull run will usually encompass 50% or more of the price movement. Thus, the first 50% of the price movement will take 90% of the time and will require the most backing and filling and will be far more difficult to trade than the last 50%.
There is no "genius" in these rules. They are common sense and nothing else, but as Voltaire said, "Common sense is uncommon." Trading is a common-sense business. When we trade contrary to common sense, we will lose. Perhaps not always, but enormously and eventually. Trade simply. Avoid complex methodologies concerning obscure technical systems and trade according to the major trends only.
Written by Richard Rhodes
Gotta reply here as I need to take a break from my Pwr Pont!
When we did the "zip" it, IMO, the MMs or who ever they were went ballistic. I remember thinking that we were protecting our shares from being "borrowed" but I also remember thinking that someone wanted to send a strong message that they were po'd and in control.
Just the way I remember it and the older I get I'm probably wrong! But the is the thing I remember, we really pushed someone too hard.
Not sure and JMO,
Nez
Nite all,
nez
Your "credibility" just went down the tubes as I notice that despite that fact you said and I quote, "This was the last of mine."
Seems you are a bit confused about the definition of "truth?"
GLTY,
Nez
Sure do. One other difference, there are things that are real and not just ideas this year.
JMO,
Nez
I guess many are not aware of the "Daily List?"
Works for me.
Nez
He most likely isn't but I'm sure others who are close to him are.
Nez
Derekz,
I don't know from my own experience but many who are good chartists have indicated that it is rather hard to tell from charts what a PK is doing or going to do. I do know that the company is available for communications and that there is no sign of panic except on this board. Want to set up a scam, then be careful that one of the companies you use to scam people isn't a well know insurance company with many, many, many lawyers being paid ON RETAINER NO LESS!!!!! I can only imagine you will cry uncle before them!
If you have had no experience with lawyers or insurance companies, especially ones that have survived through the countries greatest period of overall law suit increases ever seen, then you, IMO, aren’t seeing things accurately.
JMO,
Nez
P.S.
GOT THE FOLLOWING IN A E-MAIL. JMO but I think its a good read and very applicable to ATWT. Just because the company has attracted the attention of people with enough money to take control of the pps, doesn't mean anything other than, "if you have the money, let the little guy find the good companies, then scare them and take advantage of the fact most want "it" now and you can control the pps level as well as investors, even making them sell at a loss and be happy! What a country!!"
This too, is JMO,
Nez
Patience
Patience -- by Bill Kraft
Copyright 2007, Makin' Hay, Inc., All Rights Reserved
Bill Kraft
Editor
When I was a kid, my mother used to tease me saying: "Patience is a virtue possess it if you can; often found in women, but never found in men." Perhaps that is the reason why women often make better traders than men. Impatience can definitely be the enemy when trading the market. All too often, I have seen students rush to begin trading with real money. I regularly receive e-mails from subscribers inquiring about making real money trades using strategies they have never attempted before. Invariably, my advice is to learn the strategy first by paper trading and only after the paper trading is successful should they consider trading real money. In these cases, impatience is fueled by greed. Forgetting that positions can be losers as well as winners, the trader just can't wait to put money at risk. A little patience can go a long way. Knowledge can go a long way in making a successful trader. Knowledge can only be gained through patient study. You have probably heard, and I have often said, if you are willing to do for six months what others won't, you may be able to do for the rest of your life what others can't. That approach requires patience.
For the trader, the need for patience manifests itself in many ways. A good trader will wait for the right entry. If a stock, for example, is still moving down it is probably not the right time to buy it. Instead, the patient trader will await an upturn before entering a position. When a stock is moving down, no one knows when the direction will change. Why not wait until it does and you then have at least some information indicating a reversal up. Trying to catch a falling piano is not a good idea.
Inexperienced or unsuccessful traders may also be impatient to find a trade to enter. Isn't it better to wait until the chances for success are greater than to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade? While there are good trades available every day, not every trader is capable of finding them. In order to achieve success, the trader must learn strategies and when to apply them. The impatient trader is unwilling to devote the time to learn the strategies let alone when to apply them.
Impatience can also be the enemy when exiting a trade. That is particularly true when a position is making money. All too many traders become impatient and take their profits way too early They see a move in their direction followed by a little retracement and immediately bail out. Often times after the bail-out they watch the former position skyrocket to significantly greater profits. The impatience is kindled by fear; fear that they will lose the profits already gained. The patient trader realizes that there will be retracements and follows the position with some rational exit strategy whether it be a stop loss, a stop alert, a contingent stop, or a trailing stop. By utilizing those types of orders, the successful trader removes the emotion from the decision-making process. Good decisions are made out of the heat of battle so that both emotion and impatience are removed from the trading equation.
Just because someone, anyone, likes a particular trade, do not jump in without understanding and agreeing with the reasons for entry yourself. Again, as my mother used to say: "if Danny jumped off a cliff would you jump off a cliff too?" For the majority of us, our money is important to us. No one cares more about it than we, ourselves. If we are going to invest intelligently, we must be patient in selecting the vehicles in which we are going to invest, in determining our entries, in learning our strategies, in setting are exits, and in managing our money. Failure to exercise patience in any of these areas can lead to some very unhappy results. While the exercise of patience, alone, is no guarantee of success, it is certainly more likely to lead to good trades then is impatience.
Good Trading!
Bill Kraft
OT
As to previous posts, "Interesting, hmmm."
Nez
I'll be calling him at the time I was told to, by the person I spoke with. I plan on volunteering any insight and since I am an licensed Airframe and Powerplant technician of over 20 years, I will offer to show him the ideas floating around in the industry, in person. I'm sure if we could go in this direction, HLS as well as the airlines and airline, airport insurance carriers won't complain.
This needs to be done wherever "security" is an issue. The option or solution that ATWEC offers, if ignored, would be a huge mistake to look at in hindsight.
Even without the issue of security, I have never driven or navigated one of the many aircraft specialty support vehicles, whether it was a run of the mill pick up or a very high tech aircraft push tractor, platform lift, de-icing truck, generator, a/c, heat supply...all of the equipment, the airline was not very worried about things like mirrors, wipers, heat, etc.
When an air carrier is looking at the prices for fuel and airport taxes as they are since 9/11, the first thing that is overlookedis something that the operator can adjust for. Unfortunately, it gets old, cold, wet and painful to walk the extra distance to check out the immediate area of operation.
I feel for kids on buses, but heck if you have ever looked out the window to the ramp while waiting for departure, you will notice it is a very dangerous environment to just walk in!
When in it, you had better be in constant swivel motion or you WILL get hit.
That simple.
Costs the companies a lot in lost wages but more in lost experience and time.
This could be a great "single" example of what and how this is going to happen!
The construction industry, private airport hangers, or anywhere else where high value and fragile items are stored, should have the system randomly positioned and moved frequently as well as having it being very high profile. This alone would deter at least the drug element or vandals.
To me it is too good an idea to let pass and Mr. Wiley has too much time to not have worked most of the angles.
I wish I would have kept more of an Israeli company which developed a device to detect tunnels. I have two shares left and they went from .001(X) to now $3.00. They are also very difficult to buy.
Point is that the layers of uses for this product are very timely and need the right push or to be pointed in the right direction.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is all moot as the thing is gonna have at it.
I'd rather have a big booth next to Microsoft to make sure that as many people as possible saw my product.
Absolutely JMHO, Nez
Be-trader,
I would have Pm'd this so as to not to give the appearance of "pumping" but one application I see for the ATWEC system has nothing to do with kids left on buses, but security of aircraft parked overnight at "gateways" for minor maintenance.
I personally had the experience of being "nabbed" for not paying attention to the aircraft on the next gate.The mechanics, at night, are responsible to ensure no unauthorized access occurs.
I did notice a black car and two "suits" go up the air stairs of a 727, so I jumped down from my lift and followed them on the aircraft and I did "challenge" them.
Unfortunately, I was so covered with fuel grease and oil, I had left MY ID in my tool box and when they curtly showed me their miles of badges and then asked to see MY ID, I knew I had failed.
The ATWEC system, pointing down the aisle of an A/C, could do a better job than mechanics on duty and the industry knows it.
As long as the system was set up to be removed and would not alter the aircraft, it would be ideal as the airlines since 9/11 are hurting financially and the ATWEC system would remove the responsibility from the "union members" while at the same time saving the money it costs to keep an aircraft "live" throughout the night. Even if they don't run the APU for power and burn all that fuel, they still have to go through the trouble of keeping the A/C plugged into ground power or if it is not near another electrical source, such as a ground power cart which is the only alternative and is manpower intensive as well as a waste of fuel. Don't forget the added hours and wear and tear on this expensive equipment. An APU on a 727 goes for about $150,000 and regardless of the condition, when its hour is up, it has to be torn down, inspected, and re-built. Buku bucks.
This is one of many ways that are out there, right now and I would bet my bottom dollar, that Mr. W stays up at night, more often than us, considering the endless different applications. This is one of the reasons I found it so exciting to learn ATWEC was interested in the world of security.
If one thinks about or is familiar with the "airport" environment and I mean the outdoor environment, then they too realize that it is just a matter of time before these systems are put to use in ways we never dreamed.
I am also glad to hear the "legislative" efforts are being redirected as that made me nervous. Those folks come and go and it seems their ideas go with them.
IMO, it is much better to spend time, looking at areas, that need watching at a cost effective price. Interesting that if we don't, insurance pays for the avoidable losses.
I don't consider this a "pump," as I know Mr. W is being cautious and now that he is moving his focus away from the "wet dream city" and legislative efforts, we will see things get going much more quickly. The more time "aides" or "interns" spend quietly and slowly "analyzing" such an idea as using a cheap, available and proven detection device and alert system, the more time they can spend under, or I mean "at" their desks, "networking".
All speculation on my part with some educated "drift," and of course, JMO, but if I had an expensive piece of "heavy equipment" staying overnight, in unlit and remotely and sparsely populated areas, I would adapt or have ATWEC adapt a system to alert ADT or some such company via radio, satellite, cell signal or even hard wire. At the least it would be LOUD!!! If a drunk tries to sleep on the seat, there would be more attention brought down than at Saddam's execution.
Give me a soldering iron and a lot of wire or an LF transmitter and the bus system could be adapted easier than movie stars change their mates!
Unions know the use of such a system can only help the employer save money and that translates into jobs. It will happen anywhere an unattended highly expensive and valuable machine is. Locomotives spend many nights alone at a siding waiting for the nest load or conductor. GPS or an ADT like system coupled to ATWEC's devises will do and I bet there are those who when they read this will go "dang, we need that!"
MTJMO but the cost, relatively cheap production price and the beautifully simple, effective idea will be joined to the technology, needed until now to make the system complete will cause a freeing of man to do other more important tasks like maintain, monitor and service the system. Full service anyone and wasn't something mentioned in the past about such a need but who could envision it involving just cars and SUVS? That is another reason the airport parking lot security business together with the insurance need, makes this a huge outstanding endeavour. Just think, they may not be just making products but building a whole new business classification.
When America needs a job done, it gets done even if the task has to be mechanistically accomplished from scratch and I believe that Mr. Wiley is just such a man to make it happen. Remember the "invisible fence?" They are doing gangbuster business and it all started by an older person falling over a fence.
JMHO
Only down side is for teens eyeing the "liquor" closet! Let your mind run amok and everyone will I bet come up with an application!!!! lol
Just messin as I have a long way to go until I come close to the folks who have carried this company through the silence,
JMO,
Nez
sorry to say but I did my parts.
No one can follow with a lousey 10,000? All these wonder aticks like fccn, paim, lleg, come on there must be some one that feels it! (good stuff is coming), no one as hard a head as Mr. W. is going to stop.
JMO,
Nez
amechi,
Wow, that's some pretty weird, off the, wall stuff which unfortunately, I assumed was too far our to be true. If it is really true why not put up the information source?
Could you help me with the links where you found this information as I will be glad to check it out as I need to learn. Why does it "look" that way? Is what legal, that one family could work hard enough and have high enough character to be building two companies? Or is it legal that there are people out there who use the gifts they were given for nefarious reasons, like floating "trial balloons" which have a slight flavor of the truth but are in fact only figments of imaginations? If they are not and someone wanted them to be embraced as the truth, post the proof and let us make our own mistakes.
Post the proof that supports your accusations or just stop!
If I am wrong and you are posting truthful, fact based, information please share it and you have my apologies.
JMO,
Nez
Bama,
28 years ago, there was nowhere near the level of litigation or for that fact laws and regulations that now have made the need for a transportation company to protect itself and also take every precaution possible, to protect its passengers.
IMO, Mr. W was simply farsighted regarding his recognition of the fact that with improved technology and increased legislation, there would also come an increased responsibility for bus operators and manufactures to make buses as safe as possible, first for the passengers and second to protect operators from lawsuits.
He seems to have kept his eye on the ball with this regard but it appears his concerns about "investor perception" have slipped a few notches on the priority list.
IMO, is possibly due to the fact that Mr. W is experiencing less financial pressure as the product begins to sell.
He might also think that if we (investors) don't get it by now, then we either are day traders or flippers who could care less about long term possibilities.
If this is the case, then he might be wondering why he should shift his focus from building and seeing through a business dream and vision, which he has worked hard and long to achieve, simply to make "traders" and MM's more money.
JMHO,
Nez
According to this: TBLUX Nature of Business. telcoBlue, Inc., formerly Better Call Home, Inc. ("BCH"), a development stage company, was formed in Nevada on August 2, 2002, to operate an Internet based long distance telephony network using state of the art Voice over Internet Protocol.
http://ca.us.biz.yahoo.com/e/060516/tblue.ob10-q.html
Then it became - (same link, (16-May-2006 Quarterly Report)
Promotional Containers Manufacturing, Inc. ("PCM"), a private Nevada company in exchange for 28,700,000 shares of telcoBlue, Inc.
This I believe is what your post refers to and this is also the thing I am thinking about:
GMB since its beginning in 1906 has expanded its product offerings from photomounts and other related paper packaging items to padded folios, wedding albums, baby albums, and today offers more than 2,000 products to its current clients....Promotional Containers Manufacturing, Inc. ("PCM"), a private Nevada company
I wonder if the company is able to transit from voIP to wedding and baby albums and then to promotional containers MFG, if it would not be a great leap to morph the company into a "packaging, printing and shipping" type of company that might be able to "distribute" PLNI's products?
Just some thoughts and I hope to see some type of conversation to explore this possibility. I wonder how much PLNI, Semco, Promold etc spends on making the packages, using photography to make the shipping containers part advertisements and also be using the same technologies to package product?
I am just posting "snippets" from the filing but I encourage you to go and read it yourself.
JMO but could it also be a "plus" that all of the companies Jim T. is involved with, use plastics? JMO, but I think this would be a plus and here is the link to the 10k. I am just trying to stimulate discussion about this. I think it could be an issue of "if the glass is half empty, then the previous posts about PLNI putting itself at risk for a "picture frame" company is a possiblity or if the glass is half full, then PLNI is also building another important aspect of business and that could be packaging and way to accomplish distribution of products, "in house." I am not interested in a vitriolic argument but rather a constructive discussion.
JMHO,
Nez
Did someone suggest that "TelcoBlue, Inc." is not owned by the Turek Family?
I'm not sure that is a correct assumption after reading the following,(NOTE)make sure you check out the "HIGHLITED PORTIONS and also pay attention to the similarities....ownership, consulting company, vacillations about the purpose or stated intent of function of TelcoBlue, from the start and similarities in the wording and projected dates of events, etc. Check it out but IMHO, I think that TELCOBLUE, Inc. is going to play a very important part in the future of PLNI, SEMCO, PROMOLD or all.
JMHO,
Nez
TelcoBlue, Inc. Posts 2005 Audited Financials
Friday January 19, 8:30 am ET
Company Increases Net Income $779,745 for 2005
LEXINGTON, KY--(MARKET WIRE)--Jan 19, 2007 -- TelcoBlue, Inc. (Other OTC:TBLU.PK - News) is pleased to announce that the Company has posted their 2005 audited financials. The Company showed a net income of $246,382 for 2005, whereas in 2004 the Company lost over $1 Million. In addition, the Company was able to eliminate their outstanding debt of $536,264 in 2005 and is now debt free.
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During 2005, the Company entered into settlement agreements with various vendors that resulted in the reduction of its outstanding debt of $536,264. This forgiveness of debt has been included as other income in the statement of operations. TelcoBlue, Inc. reduced their general and administrative operating expenses by $695,594 from $985,476 in 2004 to $289.882 for 2005.
"The Company is very pleased to provide the financial community with the audited financials for 2005. We are working towards having our audited financials current and plan on having the quarterly financials for 2006 available soon," stated Jim Turek, President and CEO of TelcoBlue, Inc.
TelcoBlue, Inc. Company Profile
From... http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/116/116190.html
telcoBlue has switched from phones to photos. The development stage company, inactive since its founding in 2002, acquired Promotional Containers Manufacturing, Inc. (PCMI) in 2004 in an all-stock transaction. PCMI makes photo packaging products, such as wedding and baby albums. Originally known as Better Call Home, Inc., telcoBlue had planned to operate an Internet-based long-distance telecommunications network using Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) technology. James Turek II (the son of the company's president) holds three quarters of telcoBlue's stock.
About TelcoBlue, Inc.:
TelcoBlue, Inc., a Nevada corporation, is a professional photo packaging operation, specializing in wedding albums, baby albums and photo mounts.
This press release contains "forward-looking statements." Forward-looking statements are statements concerning plans, objectives, goals, strategies, expectations, intentions, projections, developments, future events, or performance, underlying (expressed or implied) assumptions and other statements that are other than historical facts. These forward-looking statements are only predictions. No assurances can be given that such predictions will prove correct. Actual events or results may differ materially. Forward-looking statements should be read in light of the cautionary statements and risks that include, but are not limited to, the risks associated with a small company, our comparatively limited financial resources, and other factors that may adversely impact us. These or other risks could cause actual results to differ materially from the future results indicated or implied in such forward-looking statements. We undertake no obligation to update or revise such statements to reflect events, circumstances, or new information after the date of this press release or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated or other subsequent events.
Contact:
For more information:
Investor Relations
1-866-THE-APPL(E)
Source: TelcoBlue, Inc.
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Source: TelcoBlue, Inc.
rvs,
Thanks for the feedback.
"No it wouldn’t, ATWEC does not want to jeopardize it’s business, no need to jump the gun. It’s what got them in this situation. Now that I am here that is not going to happen anymore."
IMO, the above statement is a very accurate and honest statement. I may be mistaken but I seem to recall past discussions on the board identifying "jumping the gun," as what got us into the current situation. I thought I remembered being happy that the problem was identified and there were efforts to address the problem underway.
Honestly, I didn't think things through as to what might transpire after the situation was identified. I guess I allowed my thinking to stop at "ID the problem and fix it" and the pps will go through the roof.
I now see that I let myself become emotionally blinded and the desire of a quick "kill" to cloud my forward thinking. Had I not done so I may have thought about the fact that this is a company still being built and it is not selling a product that clears $1,000,000 per unit. Therefore, in order to make really good money with this company, it will definitely take patience. I see this clearly now and have decided to, against traditional wisdom, to invest in ATWT as a long term investment in spite of the fact that it is a PK at this point. Therefore, I will only be keeping track of it through the website and "the daily list." I will continue to read and post here, but for my own sanity, I am going to continue to acquire when levels such as the current ones are available (possibly higher) All with the future in mind and not the short term. It is just the way I am going to handle it, but if I don't, I will go nuts and also miss other opportunitites in other plays. When I do come across any information that is not just "fluff" and useful to all, I will post it.
JMHO,
Nez
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Mac,
Please feel free to check my posts as I know I do have many problems in the area of grammar and spelling. I hope unless I become aware of my mistakes the chances are that I will continue to make them.
Pointing out and focusing my attention on mistakes I make will at least put me on the road to avoiding them!
As far as complaining goes, I think I "snivel" fairly well but if I can improve here also, all the better! LOL!
Thanks,
Nez
This was a surprise and I am grateful for the folks who are selling, while "buying" me time to accumulate at prices I never guessed! Thanks.
IMO, companies like "West Bend" and "Richlonn's Tire & Service Centers and their business relationships," who with things like accounting departments, access to legal departments/access to Lexis-Nexis and possibly departments that do nothing but research or DD would not be tying their wagons to ATWT in any way and putting their own reputations at risk if there was anything going on here but frustrated holders. These companies didn't get where they are without doing big time research on ALL their alliances, especially an "insurance" company! Think about it.
In a backhanded way, patience is doing nicely for me.
I really envy those with 3 or more million shares (that's my minimum goal) and really feel frustrated when I see that there are some throwing away the incredible amount of effort and patience they have displayed while doing so at a loss, but to each his own.
I am not criticizing anyone but just venting as I watch people throw out what I would like to have.
I will accumulate, just wish I could do so faster!
JMO,
Nez
rvs,
I agree and also, the way you state the issue, reminds one to remember that when dealing with the kind of numbers of people that must be involved, there must be things or issues which change on a daily basis. I guess I'm just looking for a decent reason for the delay and thinking out loud.
Nez
FWIW and I know things are beyond "getting old" but
I will be glad to wait as long as needed for an "error-free" PR. The last thing we need is to have a PR or two and then have to go through the process (which I don't even want to think about) of a retraction, correction or some other type of correction of an avoidable mistake which was overlooked due to being overly anxious to release something, regardless of how good it is.
At this point I highly doubt there will be any slack cut to ATWT for mistakes, inaccurate statements, typos, miscalculations etc. of any kind. In fact if a PR with any mistakes comes out, I predict it will be used to beat the pps like we have yet to see pounded. This is why I will be extremely patient regarding a PR. I know I don't have to urge all longs to do the same as probably seems what I'm saying is easy, especially for a person with under a million shares.
In fact I feel as if it is arrogant of me to even be posting with so many people with so much more invested in ATWT than I have. Just remember, 500,000 shares may not seem like much but it is the better part of my "PK" money budget. Some seem to be able to invest more money in ATWT than I have available to invest in everything! In investing anyway, things can be relative! The fact that there are so many with far more shares than I hold and have stuck it out is one of the reasons I will be adding more shares when the money becomes available. It is almost "tax return time" but I'm not planning on waiting that long. I think when W-2s start showing up, things are going to get interesting if they haven't already.
JMO,
DLT,
Good observations! Wonder how a casino would handle the type of "ranting" we see here after each person who loses a few hundred bucks and starts public crying.
Being one who was in PLNI for a while, got out and now I am back in, I can tell you that even with the limited amount of investing experience I have, I don't expect to get the "multi-bagger" from every other PK I go into but I do still try and find that rare one out there and PLNI is one of the companies I am willing to invest in with realistic expectations (you know, never invest more than you can afford to lose?) I'd feel worse plopping 1k down at a black jack table in Vegas and losing it than I would here. I guess it is because I feel there is a "little;)" more going for the player here than just odds and the length of the shoe!
Go PLNI,
Nez
Kaz,
I have to correct you, but...I am apparently the last to know about this!!!LOL
Thanks for the link and you're right, it does feel good to see something current!
Nez
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Good job guys!!!
GO PLNI,
Nez
success,
Thanks very much. I hate to do it but one only has so much time and any help will be needed when we get going as I think we are all going to have many PLNI posts to go through each day! Reading the same message only worded differently gets old and I end up giving into the temptation of playing tit for tat. That is a game, one can only lose, when it is not ones forte, LOL! Thanks again and GO PLNI,
Nez
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rrm,
If you have a moment, could you direct me to where to get instructions for placing a person on "ignore." I have never used it here on I-Hub but I did on another board and ironically, I need to use the feature for the same person! If I have used the feature here, I have since forgotten how. I don't feel I am doing any "censoring" but rather "filtering."
Also, if you know, is Rodney (he used to handle PLNI for Big Apple when I was in last) still with them and handling the PLNI account for Apple? One thing is for sure and that is when the "bashing" began climbing last time, the pps followed. We shall see!
TIA,
Nez
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Kaz,
When I first came across,
---- http://www.novakcapital.com/bashers.htm----
I was very satisfied as it made so much sense and IMO would be very helpful as a tool to shine the light of truth on this particular issue.
However, like any other useful tool, it is only as effective as the one wielding it.
I gave it a whirl but at best my efforts were "weak."
I just wanted to let you know that of all the efforts to use the information, IMO, you by far, make the best use of it! Together with your way with words, wit and intelligence, the combination is perfect!
My hat is off to you and I hope you will continue your efforts.
Thanks for all you do and I hope you will continue with your eloquent vigilance.
Keep up the great work,
Nez
500,000...pitiful! Looking to get more though. Switched to chicken pot pies and am saving some here and there!!
Nez
Shorts,
You must be one of the largest holders of PLNI.
Why in the world would a person spend so much time on a message board if they weren't?
Don't worry, you will be rewarded for all of your hard, consistent work.
Heck, I have been in PLNI over a year and I know you blow most posters out of the water for constant vigilance on the board albeit negative.
This is why I feel you must be "#1 (or close to it)" holder. The level of negativity you demonstrate can only be taken to indicate you are heavily in the hole with PLNI.
This could explain your level of vehemence, IMO, or it could be explained by one of the following:
the level of money you have invested here indicates massive frustration with pps, massive shorting on your part or the people you represent,
massive vendetta against PLNI and company or
you just don't have the guts to take a loss and move on.
I guess there is also an outside chance your are the "pinky police???,LOL"
All JMO, as I am puzzled more by your actions than PLNI's,
Nez
No..Nez is still here and nothing anyone can say will discontinue my presence.
Patience, Patience.
Nez