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No..as I said the flippers are stuck and the
longs can wait and buy more when and if the choose...veno
Really??
"Well there are now serious doubts about whether or not this was a pump and dump."
Who says so..the flippers?? I don't believe it was a pump and dump..I do believe that the flippers flipped it and have now reloaded and are stuck..Good for JD..as the longs can wait for the news and will just buy more when and if they decide..
His post a sticky so put it up...veno
His post had nothing to do with the product..
In fact it was all about financing which hasn't changed..It should be a sticky note..Put it up...veno
Can we also make this a sticky note..
The wording is perfect and I do believe that SBB was telling the truth in his reply to the moderator..TIA...veno
Posted by: Santa Barbara Broker Date: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:58:43 PM
In reply to: seabiscuit who wrote msg# 36763 Post # of 61553
"Renee thank you for a clear and concise explanation of essentially why anyone knowledgable of the pinks, the OTC market and weary of the parasitic slime inhabiting the executive offices of 98% of their listed companies could still make a case for an investment in EXPH. Are the financials and capital sourcing perfect? No. Is the operating capital sourcing completely transparent? No. BUT, is that operating capital generated using discounted floorless convertible debentures laundered through offshore toxic funders? Also NO."
"EXPH is such a refreshing departure from the normal wretched greed, financial corruption, internal self interest and disengenuous management doublespeak of the majority of pink sheet and OTC corps that it is almost worth the investment in it soley to watch how it plays out. I've studied and observed the Dark Side for the better part of two decades. It would be so very enlightening and educational to catch a glimpse of that one in 10K micro-business model that actually succeeds and makes it to the NASD manifest itself in EXPH in real time. IMHO."
SBB
The manipulators used E-trade and nite..
but that got canned..Now they are using Etrade ETMM..Like 4Ks said..lets see how long E-trade continues on letting buys go through..before they shut down as well..38% of all trades are done by traders bypassing their brokers with their brokers permission..Manipulation at its best...veno
Seems you fit into the groundswell
that was mentioned..Thanks for proving a point..I'll go with the dividend and the added revenue for EXPO and stay long holding and buying...veno
I Do my own investing and DD..
"I'm with the groundswell movement of holding JDB accountable for his own words ."
It would seem that the groundswell you speak of haven't contacted the company and are simply upset because the pps went up from tripple zeros to a few cents and has drifted back down..The majority of your 90% down was caused by flippers who have bailed and have manipulating the pps..The posts since the company went silent are well documented to the intent of selling to drive the pps down..
I havn't sold a share because I still believe as you posted..who is more accurate..posters or the big banks that back the company?? I'll go with the banks and LOWES and you can go with the "groundswell" as you call it..I have other names for that group that I will not post...veno
Yes..lets rexamine your post..
It would seem that you decided to examine the part you could change..Now lets examine the part you can't change..
"As such , Expo Holdings is regarded by the most prestigious Industry Leaders known to mankind and the success of Expo Holdings is not dependent on the stock . Lowes , Home Depot , Stanley Tool , area Governments , etcetera , and three National Banks EVIDENTLY don't care a rat's puhtootie about EXPH the stock or their elective SEC Financials Filings . There is your incessant demand for PROOF ."
"EXPO/EXPH has the rarest of all commodities for most OTCBB's and OTC's ....bank loans that have no encumbrance against the trading equity whatsoever . That is very profound proof of company viability ...you know , the ability to pay back the loans from revenues and not by share sales like all those other stocks . You would have everyone believe that your due diligence and your indignant concerns are more accurate than three Nationally Chartered Banks ????????????"
So are we to believe that "your due diligence and your indignant concerns are more accurate than three Nationally Chartered Banks ????????????"
Nothing has changed except that pps went from tripple zeros up to a few cents and has drifted back down and is still above its lows..The CEO has decided he is through with the games being played by investors that manipulate the pps with every bit of news that comes out and has implemented new proceedures concerning information desimination..I for one applaud him for that..There sure is a a lot of complaining posts by the flippers of this company..Could be because they caused the two brokers to say no-no on buying through two brokers using nite..
For everyone that doesn't like what the CEO is doing there are trading options..If you didn't get out when the pps was high then to each their own..I am in for the dividend shares and I am quite content to wait..I believe that "three Nationally Chartered Banks" and companies like LOWES are more accurate in their assessment of EXPO than posters that speculate and manipulate the pps with multiple trading accounts and names...veno
Nothing is gained or lost by the company in all
of the discussion today..Certain posters have certain opinions and it would seem the main theme today was the company staying quiet for so long..Nothing said here is going to change when the next news appears..It has already been stated that new procedures were put in place by the company as far as putting out information is concerned..Everything posted as to why..is pure speculation and so is everything related to what the numbers or contracts will be when they are released..
I still agree with what our esteemed moderator posted in reply to lurker concerning the pps.. the reporting of filings by EXPO and EXPO as a company in general...veno
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=42254669
Posted by: seabiscuit Date: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:23:08 AM
In reply to: Lurker from Mars who wrote msg# 45502 Post # of 61431
"Lurker : In my prior posts I have delineated between company and stock ."
"If a company's success is entirely dependent on the success of its stock then all of your personal issues with EXPH would have merit . That would pertain to most of the other OTCBB's and OTC's that have no evident business operations and definitely no revenue viability ; thereto the need for TOXIC FINANCINGS ."
"As such , Expo Holdings is regarded by the most prestigious Industry Leaders known to mankind and the success of Expo Holdings is not dependent on the stock . Lowes , Home Depot , Stanley Tool , area Governments , etcetera , and three National Banks EVIDENTLY don't care a rat's puhtootie about EXPH the stock or their elective SEC Financials Filings . There is your incessant demand for PROOF ."
"EXPO/EXPH has the rarest of all commodities for most OTCBB's and OTC's ....bank loans that have no encumbrance against the trading equity whatsoever . That is very profound proof of company viability ...you know , the ability to pay back the loans from revenues and not by share sales like all those other stocks . You would have everyone believe that your due diligence and your indignant concerns are more accurate than three Nationally Chartered Banks ????????????"
"When a public company is successful it is only a matter of time until the public company's stock becomes successful .
That would be EXPH ."
"Try not to grandstand off my posts about claims of .05 and .10 as I have NEVER made any PPS projections for EXPH's PPS other than the stock will catch up to the respectability the Company has earned in the national business community ."
I agree and you make a good point..
that as long as you have a majority shareholder not wanting his information made public that would nix the idea of form 3s being filed.
However..there is no reason that I can see that form 3s couldn't be filed on JD and Glenn..
That said..again if that were to happen..then it would be up to them if and when it will happen..
They don't have to file them in the first place..It has been a courtesy to have them file certain items in the past and they have said that the new company would be fully reporting...veno
Well..there is the difference..
"If I were a shareholder I am not sure this would make me feel any better about Expo."
I am a shareholder and it doesn't bother me in the least..
As far as keeping investors in the dark..I do believe that most investors that wanted updates did call or email and received back replies..I don't feel that I am in the dark..I feel the company has changed their operating proceedures to put out Prs when they see fit to put them out..I believe from what I have heard..that those proceedures that are now in place..That they will in the long run benefit all Shareholders of the company..However I do feel it will not be favorable to those that wish to trade in and out daily from this point on...veno
Well..they will never investigate
if their actions aren't reported..Are you suggesting that posters who believe that infractions have happened not report them..It would seem that more than just 4ks have seen the MMs play games and reported the actions..I have as well..It would also seem that at least two brokerage companies have restricted the buying side through a certain MM..
I would say that with the recent news that 38% of all trades are now done without the brokers input and help..might just suggest that MMs and traders can and do bend or break the rules at times..In fact if that wasn't the case the SEC wouldn't be considering action to stop those practices...veno
I couldn't agree more..
"Seeing as this was two days before the qtr. ended I don't see how anything too unexpected could have hurt these numbers."
Since we have heard updates that nothing material has changed since we last heard from the company in a pr..I would say everything is just fine...veno
Hilarious??
You mean like posting that nite will no longer be making a market for EXPH?? If so..then I would agree...veno
There has been no mass exodus because of the spin-off
The volume disagrees with you..The pps can and has been manipulated and was shown to us how it was done a couple of times..At least two brokers shut down the buy side of trading which I am sure caused more than some excitement..Ceratinly after it was reported to the board that nite would no longer deal with EXPH trades which the poster said is not good news for EXPH in several posts..That of course proved false and misleading..
There are many that believe in the spin-off..Just because the pps declines on low volume and lack of any news doesn't mean there is a mass exodus..The mass exodus occurred on the launch date of the cabinets not on the news of the spin-off..check the volume and pps moves for the dates around and including those news days..Proof is is those numbers and not in the current pps..
Your pure speculation on where you believe the pps will be for years to come for EXPO is just that..
You have no idea what ETC will do for EXPO revenue wise and you have no idea what contracts EXPO will sign in that time frame..Therefore you can't project profitabilty or not and what the pps will do..No one can...veno
In other news..There is no short interest as of Jan 15th..I would say that we are even closer to the news of the spin-off...veno
There is nothing privy about pictures
of ETC cabinets..LOL..It is already on the website that they exist..
"Is it just for bathrooms?"
"No, etc. can be used for complete kitchens too. Etc. can be used in homes as well as in commercial industrial buildings including"
Just because he took the time to call and request pictures didn't preclude you from doing the same thing..
I like the cabinets and I like the idea...veno
You know this for a fact or this your opinion.
"The names are just put there in the corner. They don't mean anything."
I like to call them ETC cabinets and do believe that soon we will see them for sale at several very large retailers..I have to go with those that have actually seen them and from some that are working in the industry and their take on how well they are made..
It would seem that this part just got answered...veno
"There are still no pictures available for upper cabinets, double units, or corner units."
Nope..I have seen all that
several times...veno
Much better than the speculation we have
been hearing here lately...veno
I am not selling..
That must be you..Good luck with your nickle and dimes..I prefer the larger profits...veno
Seems quite a few have been in touch
with the company..I do like what I am hearing..Thanks for all the PMs...veno
Again his choice..
I don't have a problem with waiting for a combined filing...veno
Four buyers and no sellers..
thanks for that...veno
To begin with the "traders"
or flippers (or whatever term is used to define "them") of EXPH are long gone."
LOL..You haven't read many post here I take it...veno
Not as of the 22 of this month..
Posted by: TAKI Date: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:45:06 AM
In reply to: Lurker from Mars who wrote msg# 60057 Post # of 60948
I DO THE MATH AND IT SAYS AS CEO SAID HE ESTIMATES 9M$ TO 11$ M IN REVENUES FOR EXPH NOT ETC, BUT EXPH FOR 2010.THAT IS HUGE NEWS FOR
EXPH.NOT MANY PINK SHEET COMPANIES TRADE AT THESE RIDICULOUS PRICES,AND TALK THESE KIND OF REVENUES.EXPH SHOULD BE TRADING WELL OVER .01.IMO.AND IT PROBABLY WILL SOON IMO.
I like those numbers as well..Thanks for your support of the CEO and that company...veno
"JD should have gone ahead
and put them out so that it would have been done and put behind,"
I didn't say they were good or bad..I said it would have been just one more volume increase to trade up and down on or vice- versa..
Like I said..the complainers seem to be the traders..The majority of shares are still being held or bought and that is a fact...veno
Yes and it was one order..
One also today..again thanks...veno
Well if it going to be huge in 2010 by
your own admission I am willing to wait...veno
Posted by: TAKI Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:12:48 AM
In reply to: None Post # of 60923
"EXPH will be hugeeeee in 2010 Imo"
Actually I don't care about the pps day
to day unless I am buying..I am a long term holder and by this post of yours..The future looks great...veno
Posted by: TAKI Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:12:48 AM
In reply to: None Post # of 60923
"EXPH will be hugeeeee in 2010 Imo.1)Website state of the Art is coming up.2)3Q report is coming up.3)4Q and year end results also will be due soon.4)divy is coming up.5)(RETAILER'S NAME IS COMING UP.
A LOT TO LOOK FOR ON EXPH, AT THESE ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS PRICES.
ESTIMATED REVENUES FOR 2010 BETWEEN 9 M$ AND 11 M $ FELLAS.I DO NOT KNOW MANY PINK SHET COMPANIES WITH THIS KINDA REVENUE.
FOR THE 6 MONTHS ENDED JUNE 31ST 2009 EXPH IS PROFITABLE.
WE WAIT NOW FOR 3Q,AND YEAR END FINS FOR 2009."
Now if the pps was ridiculous on Jan 24 it is even better today and at any pps lower by your own admission..Thanks for the tip...veno
I am buying on any dip..
Thanks to all that wish to sell..Who is that by the way???veno
Silence is golden and I am all
for JD putting out information on his own schedule and not on the wishful hopes of flippers..I hope the practice continues..The company used to put out news every week and the pps did nothing but a roller coaster ride with the flippers causing the ups and downs..
This company doesn't have to report any quarterly results..JD said that it will be months before he feels they will be ready to do that on a timely basis..Right now I would imagine that all the attention is on the spin-off and the continued orders being completed to current customers..
The amount of negativity in posts has increased many times over once the news stopped..The fact that the flippers can't play their games as much..to me is the first step in JD's plan to move EXPO forward..
4ks is right IMO..The documents are still at the TA..The spin-off is taking more time then they thought it would..Some seem to forget that the TA has to account for all shareholders of record..Once the TA is finished with all they need to do..I believe we will see two things happen quickly..The TA will be ungagged and the dividend will occur..
I am 100% behind JD's decision to stop PRing every little detail..I would much rather get news when JD is ready to put it out and let the flippers guess as to when that may occur instead of warning them in advance..We now know that the 3rd quarter and 4th quarter numbers may be combined..I say great..I am in no rush although there are others hoping for great volume in any direction to make their play and I am sure the 3rd quarter numbers would have created just one more play for the flippers...veno
Wow!!
You questioned his post which said the documents where still at the TA to call Finra when they get them and ask about the process..
Your reply was..
"question...your assertion was that docs will be sent from Expo's TA to FINRA and then FINRA will assign a date for the dividend."
"How does that fit in with rule 10b-17 where the company is required to give"..
I answered your post that Finra does assign the dividend date..
4k's was right and your question was answered...veno
I will add..
After this discussion and knowing now everything to know about dividends..LOL..the record and payable dates could have been set some time ago..It was the companys intention to have the spin-off happen around the first of the year..Knowing that..it could very well be that the record date is now in the past..As it has been discussed the ex-date would be before that date..Now I wonder once the dates have been submitted and if the process took longer than anticipated..if the dates could be amended to a later date?? The company has notified the shareholders that it was their intention to spin-off ETC and the vote passed..The documents could have been sent out a long time ago..Maybe this is a question for Finra or a TA that isn't gagged..Or maybe a poster here knows the answer already?? in that case TIA for any input on that scenario...veno
My posts
stand as they are..You might want to go back and see what promted your question, which I answered for 4k's in the first place..
by 4ks
"here's a tip .. when finra gives a yay
as in the div docs are *there* .. give
elson a call .. and have a chat re: the
process"
Your post questioned Finra's participation..I pointed out their particpation which you left out..
4k's was right, which resulted in responses that tried to paint that he didn't know what he was talking about..Again..she was right..veno
LOL..the date Finra assigns is the
ex-date..You can state it any way you want..You were refuting Finra's involvement which was 4ks message to begin with..Nice try...veno
That is not at all what you posted..
This is what you posted..
"question...your assertion was that docs will be sent from Expo's TA to FINRA and then FINRA will assign a date for the dividend."
"How does that fit in with rule 10b-17 where the company is required to give"
i.Title of the security to which the declaration relates;
ii.Date of declaration;
iii.Date of record for determining holders entitled to receive the dividend or other distribution or to participate in the stock or reverse split;
iv.Date of payment or distribution or, in the case of a stock or reverse split or rights or other subscription offering, the date of delivery;
"It would seem to me that the company decides the date, not FINRA," but maybe the conversations had by *some* can clarify this."
It is great to see that you now agree that 4ks assertion was right and that Finra assigns the date for the dividend not the company as you wrongly assumed..
For futher clarification..The company provides the documents with the record date..Finra usually assigns the dividend date two days before..It doesn't always..I have received many a dividend over the years and have witnessed where the ex-date was up to a week off of the record date..Therefore the word usually means most of the time but not always...veno
I answered one of them..Do you care
to acknowledge that you were wrong about who assigns the Ex-dividend date??? veno
Like I said it took two hours of trading before they
took my buy at the bid..You might want to check the trades that happened after I placed my buy and before they picked it up...veno
My trade took almost two hours..
Still looks like more want to buy then sell...veno
Filled at 12:01 at .0034 and the bid was immediately lowered
at 12:02 to .0032...veno