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"Unfortunately his actions are ambiguous."
no they are not...kim does not spend money unless he believes that it is absolutely the right thing to do and he believes in what he is doing with it...not that hes always been correct, but his hirings are not at all ambiguous...he is spending a lot of money hiring the people he has and he has a finite amount of money to use...that makes a huge statement to me...i am not wondering about what it means...AT ALL..i know what it means...
"or he could be grabbing for a lifeline for a company on the brink of failure."
most naysayers think kim is just using kblb to line his pockets...if that were the case, would he be spending all that money "grabbing for a lifeline"?...i doubt it...he would do something else and hold onto that money for himself..............but hes not doing that...thats tells you something....it sure tells me something...
"The truth will only become apparent when we learn more."
its apparent to me right now...
"If my numbers are accurate, these people are still in the black."
they dont sound accurate to me...i doubt any of them are in the black...i actually dont see how its even possible that anyone's shares could be at a average pps of below .03...
i know that yorkville got their shares at a discount...but i dont believe they sold shares to investors at a discount...
"WebSlinger could probably produce far more accurate information."
i wouldnt believe him if he said the sky was blue...
"Their average investor cost/share is worth pinning down."
not to me...i dont care what it is...i only know they havent sold...no info is going to tell when they will...
"If these well-heeled investors start to lose confidence and begin selling off their positions"
they havent...because they know more than you and me...when they do start dumping, why, will be a mystery to you and me until we finally find out what they already knew...
"If these investors know more than we do, they are trading illegally based on insider knowledge. "
which will never be proven...thats how the rich get richer...by knowing more than you and me...its like thinking politicians dont line their pockets with cash from lobbyists, fat cats and PAC's, when in fact, probably 90% of them do...every once in a while one gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar because they got greedy or stupid...
" KBLB stated quite clearly in their SEC forms that no one had been authorized to disclose information beyond what was in the SEC filings."
is this a joke?...
"The only thing they know is that Yorkville was willing to provide this offering and they probably trust that Yorkville thought it was good for their investors, but they probably don’t know any more than that."
yorkville would have been privvy to just about everything that kim knows...business and financial...those wealthy investors knew enough to buy and they know enough to continue holding...they aint doing it on a big "maybe"...
its ALWAYS been this way...it aint new...
"so he sold at least 4 million of his stake, an inconsequential reduction, but it speaks to his partial lack of confidence in KBLB."
it could have been for taxes...a boat...pay off a bill...a vacation...it could have been for about 10 million different reasons...but trying to say selling 4 mil shares shows a lack of confidence while still holding 56 mil shares?...
that doesnt compute...at all...
"Now I'm split 50/50 just because they might be able to get it for $20 a share."
LMAO!...thats freakin HILARIOUS!...
$10 BILLION for fcel???...a PENNY STOCK that is bleeding tons of cash and isnt even close to profitability and is making a few million in revenue?...
just a clue....the patent portfolio is filled with lots of patents that no one cares about...the rest are co-owned by exxon or licensed to them....thus exxon has no need to pay money for something they already have....lol
more buys than sells and hitting a new 53 week low, dropping 7.5%...
dilution
YAWN!
same old tired bullshit...
you realize 1.03 is a new 52 week low?
stop boring the shit out of everyone with the same old bullshit...you are like a comic who keeps repeating the same handful of jokes...quit being so gdam lazy and think of some new crap...
what does it matter if Exxon is looking for more M&A opportunities?...
if they bought fcel, it would not be for any more than $1.40 today...if anyone can make any money with that, good for you...but NO ONE here will make money with that buyout...not many plug shareholders will either with what Exxon will offer...nor will any of the others...
look how much they paid for pioneer...i think Exxon is paying 2.32 shares of exxon for each share of pioneer...which was about $253 per share...a few weeks ago...
but since exxon's pps is dropping daily, the money shareholders will make is also dropping...
like the chick from exxon said " A deal has got to be what we say is ‘one plus one equals three’."
lol...i cant believe she actually essentially said exxon will only do a deal if they can punk the shareholders of the company they buy...
Few may very well have thrown in the towel and made the decision to dilute the crap out of fcel to put hundreds of millions of dollars into the company's coffers and just let the pps drop as far under one buck as it needs to...
after which he will do a r/s and bring all the numbers back up....that will be fine for the company...but it will crush current shareholders...
new shareholders like myself, if i see a reason to buy, will be just fine and dandy...
buys and sells are even today...but the pps is down 8% and hitting new lows...
smells like dilution to me...
but according to some here, Few is their friend...
Few is sacrificing shareholders in favor of the business...many think whats good for the company is good for shareholders...and it usually is....
but not when it comes to dilution and reverse splits...
and there are 500 mil shares he can and will dilute...
what an idiotic and utterly meaningless post...especially while the pps hits a new low at $1.03...
who was it that said, on wed, the selling looked like it was abating and if so, the .03's would return?..
oh right...that was me...the same guy that said he was buying shares under .03...
800k shares traded so far today and nothing under .03...
but you keep whining and see how much money you make off of that...
you cant fix stupid....
“eventually you will be correct. “
Agreed…it’s only a matter of time…
“A wearable prototype or two, worthy of showing the public, would most likely go a long way to proving proof of concept.”
No…it would not…I never gave a crap about the nonsense the others put out since it wasn’t spidersilk and they couldn’t mass produce…
The keys are spidersilk and mass production…THAT is the goal…nothing else matters…kblb needs to get to focus on getting that done…
I don’t need to see anything else when it comes to the clothing part of the business…
"You do understand that, correct?"
i think you understand exactly what i said....but you want to divert attention away from all the hard to answer issues and narrowly focus on ceo compensation instead because you have no way to argue the real points i made...
you can argue ceo compensation with yourself...
“Luckily we live in a democracy, and cherish our freedom of speech.”
There’s a limit to free speech.. you can’t yell “fire” in a theater if there isn’t one…
You also can’t implore people to remain seated while the theater burns…
Hedgehog presents himself as a sophisticated investor who knows the stock market, fcel and the industry…
He has urged investors to buy and/ or average down from $29 per share…he insisted he knew what he was talking about and anyone who didn’t agree with him were liars, short selling or mentally challenged…
There is free speech and then there is speech that is harmful…
But no, I don’t think he should be censored on this forum….people are allowed to follow whom they wish and can lose as much money as they choose…
“Which is the conclusion that any sane-minded person would make.”
This is coming from someone who has spent the last 6 years posting 7,800 messages about a stock he has never owned and a company he believes is a scam…
I don’t think I’ll be using your concept of sanity…
“There is NO commercial production. There is NO revenue. “
No shit…really?…what a revelation!…got anymore inside info?…LMAO
“There haven't even been any limited runs (ties, beanie caps, etc) to show proof that they can do anything that they claim.”
What do you care…that would do nothing to change your view of Kblb or it’s prospects anyway…so what does it matter?…
“And some (if not most) of that is due to people quitting.”
Post your source for that info…my guess is you won’t…because you can’t…you are once again just pulling bullshit bashing nonsense out of your butt…
“They claimed to hire 2 personnel, but it turns that the headcount only increased by 1.”
The headcount is even higher now…
“So giving himself about $1 MILLION per year is "frugal". What a joke!”
He has always over compensated himself…I was talking about money spent on the business…but you already knew that…
“Please show us proof that anyone (besides Mr Gill) is holding onto their shares. You can't.”
I don’t need to…you verified the truth of what I said yourself in the next post…
“Did you see the pathetic volume today (235K shares)?
Or the pathetic average volume for the past 3 months (< 500K shares/day)?”
According to you, the volume is absolutely pathetic…yet you want to claim that hundreds of millions of shares have been sold by wealthy investors….how?…when?..
My proof that they haven’t sold is that hundreds of millions of shares HAVENT BEEN SOLD….LMAO
Now you show proof that they have since that is your contention…all while kblb’s volume has been utterly pathetic…
Good luck
if i thought you werent completely close minded and not really serious, i would make more of an attempt...you are seeing the same things that i am...the same pr's, the same news, but you refuse to believe any of it...
i have already posted everything i believe...you can reread my posts if you want...
"I’d suggest there is zero evidence"
and thats says it all for you...it really doesnt matter what i say, you simply wont believe it...you see the pr's but you simply refuse to believe any of it...not really sure why you are asking...
but heres a couple things anyway...for others who may still have an open mind...
kims hiring...he hired a number of scientists and others and then he hired more from Notre Dame...when has kim ever been characterized as being frivolous with money?...never...he has in fact been extremely frugal...yet hes hiring....and for a small company, hes hiring a lot...and for having a limited amount of cash to work with, he is, based on past experience, lookling almost reckless with the money...
but that is not how kim handles money...so if hes hiring like he is, it has to be for a reason...hiring indicates growth...you cant get bigger until you have the manpower to get bigger...
kim has hired experts to figure out the best ways to incorporate other fibers with DS...to make the best materials...does that sound like he has no spidersilk or believes he wont be able to mass produce?...he hired experts in sericulture to manage production...hmmm...wonder why?...hes made improvements in management and put the people he wants where he wants them...theres more but i wont go any further...
many look at all this and see nothing...others see kim grasping at straws...
i see kim making preparations for a company about to succeed....
the other thing ill add is that there are hundreds of millions of shares in the hands of wealthy investors due to the yorkville deal...they quite likely know more than you or me...and they are not selling...
i could go on...but i wont....im not trying to convince you or anyone...just giving a hint as to why i believe this company will succeed...
i have asked others to explain the things they say...they refuse...most likely because they cant...
i can and i did...even if not fully...
"And in my previous post, I already showed that the share price is down 11% from last year at this time."
stocks go up or down everyday...the pps is essentially the same as it was a year ago...all the charts, graphs and percentages you are trying to fool everyone with are irrelevant...
THE PPS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS IT WAS A YEAR AGO...theres nothing you can do to change that fact...
"And I had predicted that would happen, and .... it did."
you predicted dilution last year?...its been happening for the last 13 YEARS!...EVERYONE KNOWS THAT...but YOU predicted it??...LMAO
the dilution i was talking about was the hundreds of millions of shares that were created with the yorkville deal that EVERYONE knew involved huge dilution...saying you "predicted" it when it was in the FREAKIN FILING" is ridiculous...LOL
"Of course it would."
news of progress DOES NOT always raise the pps...i have even seen news of contracts signed that didnt raise the pps...
"If actual commercial production ever started, there would be a good pop in the share price."
no shit sherlock...have they pr'd that yet?...i was speaking of what they HAVE pr'd...not what pr's you are DREAMING about...SMGDH
"I never called for the Douchebag CEO to stop the "fluff" PRs. "
sure you have...
"Intelligent investors don't care if one or two people are hired."
then you apparently have no clue what intelligent investors think...when a small biotech hires more scientists, it is indeed something that investors want to know and take into consideration...and kblb has had more than 2 hires...
"They just want to know what is going on with commercial production."
and that effects you how?...you are not an investor in kblb and you never have been...what concern is it of yours what kblb does or does not put out?...
You said:
"Sells have outweighed buys almost every week for the past year or so."
But you post the monthly stats…why not the weekly, which was you claim?…
Lol…you can post silly percentage numbers for the day, week, 3 month, 6 month and year…what you can’t do is change the fact that on Oct 25, 2022, the pps was .034….
Beyond a year ago, we were dealing with a large amount of consistent dilution…we all know that….it isn’t a secret nor is it a shock that the pps dropped because of it…
“No, there hasn't been ANY significant news at all this year.”
Sure there has…
“First, if there any news of significance, then the share price would be rising.”
Wrong…significant news of progress won’t always cause a rise in the pps…but that doesn’t make the news any less significant…
“But instead the share price has been falling.”
WRONG….the pps has remained in the same channel it has been in for the last year…
“Second, there have only been 6 PRs this year. In comparison, last year, there were 21 PRs. ”
So what?….you were calling for Kim to stop what you considered “fluff” pr’s…now you are crying about wanting more…make up your mind…
“Third, 4 of the 6 PRs had to do with staffing”
Having a need to hire more staff is a bad thing?…investors wouldn’t want to know?…i what world is that the case?…smh
“one had to do with filling out paperwork for an RFI”
Even naysayers were saying that kim should do so…and then many were wanting to know if he did…so it was pr’d that he did…
And now you are complaining that he did…
Go take a nap… you seem cranky…
Getting really nervous about Kblb success, aren’t we…
LMAO
"This POS ticker is dead"
do you never tire of being DEAD WRONG!...LMAO
"Sells have outweighed buys almost every week for the past year or so."
no they havent...but stocks do fluctuate...they go up and down...its not exactly unusual or unknown...
A year ago the pps was .034...in the last year, the pps has dipped below .03 a number of times...and each time you tried to convince everyone that the sky was falling...it hasnt...and it wont...the pps is right about the same that it was a year ago...
we are all waiting to see if kblb will succeed with mass production...the difference is , many are hoping it does...those who have sold and are crying a river of tears hope that it doesnt...you have never owned a share...you have ALWAYS wanted kblb to fail...and it refuses to...
im sensing a change in your posting...you are getting a bit desperate...beginning to realize that you have been dead wrong all this time...
enjoy what little time you have left on this board...
"There has been no news of significance at all this year"
sure there has...and you know it...
"and there isn't any coming "soon"."
sure there is...and you can feel it too...cant you...that sense of dread creeping into your being...doesnt feel good, does it?...enjoy...lol
"The share price will continue to drop through the end of the year and into the 1st quarter of next year."
nope
selling has slowed down...lets see if it picks up again...if not, back to 3's we go...
"God damn you're smart."
yes...i know..
"China is not a threat."
correct...it is not a threat...to kblb...
is china a threat in other ways, to other countries, militarily, politically, etc, yes...do they want to steal AI info..of course...
but listening to those clowns talk about the China threat is like listening to children who have just had their bike stolen from their front yard and have just realized the world aint all fun and games..."so you say China is trying to steal info?...yes"...
geez...yea...but only like for the last 75 yrs...and guess what?..we do the same damn thing...EVERYONE is doing the same damn thing...and its not news to anyone...or at least shouldnt be...and heres a clue...individual companies do it also when they feel the need and think they can get away with it...
thats why safety precautions are just the norm...
bottom line is China will be able to do what kblb does soon enough...i said that many times over the years...and its a fact...however they manage to do that...they will...thus they will be the 800lb gorilla in the industry...you need to get over it...its a done deal...its going to happen...and it doesnt matter...kblb will still do just fine anyway...
sheesh...its like conversing with frightened children...
and the other issue is, most of these people professing so much fear about China stealing trade secrets are the same ones who claim that kblb is a scam and have nothing...
so whats the big fear that China will something...STEAL WHAT?
LMAO
"So theft is not a threat?"
no...it is a normal issue that every company in the world must always consider...whether real or not...which is why they all take precautions against it...and it isnt limited to one individual or country...considering and taking precautions against theft is simply common practice and good business...
"Doesnt that debunk "China is zero threat to KBLB"?"
no...its more of a childish boogeyman mentality...
what do you have that specifically makes China a "threat" to kblb...the fact that China may succeed and do well does not constitute a threat to kblb...it is in fact a given that they will do well...and it will have ZERO effect on kblb's success...
"The statement that China is zero threat is ridiculous."
so you keep saying...explain why...if you can...
"Why is it so hard to admit the obvious around here?"
because what you percieve as "obvious" is in fact, not...it is merely an opinion you keep repeating but cannot seem to explain...repeating the same sentence over and over is not an explanation...
"You do realize KBLB has predicted production so many times their predictions have become worthless."
you do realize that you have repeated this so much that it is just meaningless anymore...it has zero impact...
"Hence, I will believe it when I see it."
you can do what you like...im not sure anyone really cares...
"So you are also in the delusional state and believe China is zero threat to KBLB."
explain why its delusional...
"Even the CEO has expressed concerns about China."
thats his job...to be worried...i expect him to be...
but i believe his greatest concern was that China would be first...his competitive nature...
i dont care who is first...there is plenty of business out there for kblb...plenty of money to be made...China can succeed and so can kblb...China will be the 800lb gorilla...but if kblb also succeeds, the pps will be in the multiple dollars...
so what is there to fear from China?...explain...
China is the 800lb gorilla in normal silk...yet many companies and countries still manage to make a lot of money producing normal silk...
so, rather than just repeating the same statement and reveling in truth's agreement, how about explaining WHY you feel what you say is true...
that is, unless it is just a complete bullshit statement that really doesnt mean a damn thing...
“Yes it is... On oh so many levels. “
But apparently, you couldn’t think of any…
Lol
"Not a single soul on this board knows what happened to the shipment of eggs in January to the 3rd party contractor?"
" The work that we started in late 2022 with the first cross-hybrids, blending our spider silk technology with commercial silkworm strains, has now expanded to nearly a dozen strains of robust production silkworm lines. These strains were sourced from around the world and selected for their strong genetic background and cocoon performance. With these additional strains in-house, we are now starting to cross-breed our spider silk transgenes into these various commercial lines.
Over the next several months, we expect to create enough unique strains of spider silk transgenics to implement a multi-line “double hybrid” production system. We have already begun this process of breeding spider silk-producing variants of the first of these commercial strains that, when crossed with each other, should produce the largest and most robust production silkworms in the Company’s history.
The program to increase robustness in our spider silk transgenics remains on track and is proceeding as scheduled."
"That is an absolute ridiculous statement."
why?...
"Yep, potential. KBLB is king of potential."
then you agree...
"I'm used to it also. That's why I've taken the stance of I will believe it when I see it with KBLB."
good for you...
"Still just hope."
there are levels of hope...theres more reason for hope now...more reason to believe...imo, there really was none previously...
"KBLB still has not proven they can mass produce quality consistent fiber on a mass scale cost effectively."
no shit...do you think theres anyone on this board that is unaware of that?...lol
"My opinion. Last best chance for this round of investors."
why?
"If production fails with the multi strain hybrids will it be back to the drawing board again? Or just more tweaking?"
then clearly, either way, its not their last chance...
"Either way dilution will be coming."
more chances before that happens...
so anyway you try to correct that statement, it doesnt add up to being their last chance...
"They sold out quickly. It was a great success."
LMAO!....3 hoodies, 5 t-shirts and 2 pairs of torn pants?...no wonder they sold out quickly...what a success...
post a link to the press release...
"Why would they have products on their website if they are sold out."
i didnt say a thing about any websites...i was looking for how the sales was going...or how they went...
"They bury KBLB in the investor money they have received thus far."
which is why, since they are now selling product, they should shout their success to the world...im sure their investors would love to see what their billion dollars in Spiber have accomplished......
instead....crickets...
"I dont completely disregard them. China is a much greater threat than spiber thou."
China is a zero "threat" to kblb....i have always believed they were likely to be first...and that has been documented many times on this board....many thought all the others would need 20 years to catch up to kblb....i said China was the 800lb gorilla in the silkworm business and it was going to be the same in the spider silk business...absolutely no doubt about it...
but kblb could still do extremely well...the military wont want China's spider silk...thats why the AF is looking to see who they can fund to get it...kblb could do just fine with nothing but the military alone...
but then theres that other Nation's military that is interested as well...it isnt just the USA that doesnt want China's spider silk...
"I'm much more perturbed with the lack of results and piss poor communications from KBLB."
im rather used to it....im GLAD kim isnt putting out his hopes and dreams as being imminent...i find it odd that so many bought all the hopes and dreams for so long and now when there actually IS hope, they refuse to see it...lol
no wonder so many invetsors lose money in the market...
"This could be their last best chance to succeed at mass scale production."
why?...why would it their last best chance?..
"Failure and it's going to be a long cold winter."
winter comes every year and its always cold...that doesnt depend on what kblb does or does not do...
"I will give credit to spiber for actually putting out pictures of clothing at least"
yea...cause thats a big deal...they couldnt buy a happy meal with that credit...
"but I'm not concerned about spiber."
me either...i dont consider them competition to kblb and i cant make a dime off of them...assuming there is money to be made at all..
but truism has been touting them non stop for a very long time....now that its time to see what they have done, why, it was only a project and he didnt expect spiber to release results...
what a bunch of baloney...
"Not me. The way I viewed it, they would announce the global launch, have some press and it's on to the next project."
oh...so NOW, thats how you want to say you viewed it?....LMAO
you were talking it all up so big...but when nothing comes of it you want to say you really didnt think anything would come of it...
SMH
heres a clue....
spiber is in BUSINESS to make and sell product...they reached the point where they are selling product...but all of a sudden, after all the marketing, they dont want to say how well they are doing...
and you want to call it a "project"...
ill bet their investors didnt consider it a "project"....
lots more buys than sells...pps should be higher...instead, its pretty much in the red the whole day so far...
not how it should be....still smells like dilution to me...
thats a nice stunt...
but didnt spiber launch their Fall collection back in Sept?...online and in pop up stores?...
havent seen or hear anything since...couldnt find anything about it on their website...
rather curious, wouldnt you say?...
they pr'd nonstop about about the fashion shows they attended, the clothing they had and when they would start selling them...
but no results?....i bet if they were flying off the shelves they wouldnt hesistate to say so...
"Actually, I skipped through half your comment when you started talking about proof."
no you didnt...you read the whole thing...you just cant come up with any logical response so you pretend to not have read it...lol
"What ever mojo"
yup...thats about all you could come up with...
"You shouldn’t have jumped back in"
are you kidding?...lol....whenever the pps gets real close to .03 or less, i buy more...
"We know absolutely nothing about what is happening with Kblb. Only Kim's 'news' releases."
you know what kim has communicated to you...you know what he is doing to get to mass production...he has pr'd his hires, what they are doing and have accomplished...he has given timelines for what he is doing and has updated that they are on schedule...
if you know "absolutely nothing" its because you dont believe what he is telling you...
he hasnt actually told you that kblb will be successful...but he HAS informed on what is going on...he is not going to inform the world of all the mistakes and failures if he does not have too...no ceo does that...
im not exactly sure what info you want to hear?...you want kim to tell you whether or not you should buy, hold or sell?....he wont...thats up to you...
kblb is still a risk...nothing is guaranteed...act accordingly...
"We have been lied to time after time."
i have accused kim of being many things, but i dont believe he has lied to anyone about the production of spider silk...imo he believed everything he said...it just didnt always happen...hes been wrong...and probably shouldnt have expressed certain things as being imminent or soon...those were mistakes...not lies...imo
"Shame on me for for being so naive to believe these untruths."
okie dokie...
"Mojo , you have absolutely no idea what’s going on with this fiasco."
never said i did..nor do i pretend to know...the fact is no one knows except those in the company who have a need to know...
but i DO have my opinions...and i will state what they are, and why, when asked...and at times, even when i am not asked...but i am hopeful...and i believe there will be success...
beats me why that seems to bother some people...personally, i think they know that i have been far more right than wrong when it comes to kblb...and they are scared that i will once again be right and they will look even more foolish than they already do...
"The proof is in the PPS."
what "proof" do you see in the pps?...proof of what?...the only thing the pps is proof of is the fact that kblb has not yet succeeded...but no one has to look at the pps to know that....
if no one knows, then the buying and selling of shares is being done by those who dont know...there were 1mil shares traded on Friday...half were buys and the rest were sells...what do you make of that?...
what i look at is the fact that there are 1 bil shares in the hands of investors and company officials....and the average daily volume is 430k shares...what does that tell you?...
when i see TRUE heavy volume on a consistent basis, THEN i will will look at the pps to tell me something....and im not talking about 1 mil shares in a day...i mean TRUE heavy volume...
in the overall scheme of things, 400k shares on a 3 cent stock is nothing...1 mil is nothing...whether the pps is rising or falling on those paltry amounts means nothing in particular....
"It’s a sad situation imo."
not for me it isnt...
"Now its Extremely Oversold."
maybe...dont think so...but even if true, im thinking more downside to come...
"Coupled with the huge volume ( 31.46milsh ) and whatmight be "capitulation" as I described in my prior post Friday, there's a pretty good chance of a decent bounce in the stock."
flucuations possibly...but still downwards imo.....21 mil shares bought and 7 mil sold....yet, pps down all day long and ended down 6%?...
smells like dilution to me...if dilution ends, might get a bounce...
"As far as we know, Prodigy has been shut down all year as well. This strengthens the case for silkworm diseases playing an important role in production issues."
this is hilarious...just making assumptions and then using it as proof....LMAO!
" As far as we know"
this means, YOU DONT KNOW...you have just decided to pretend it means what you want it to mean...
and who the hell is "we' anyway?....cant say "I" because you cant stand on your own?...did you take a survey?...lol...unless you have ruskie and mullet sitting on your lap as you post, then its just you and YOUR opinion...
"This strengthens the case for"
how does something you DONT KNOW, strengthen any case you want to make?...lmao...
stop pretending you are speaking for anyone else and stop acting like you have proof of anything...YOU DONT...it just YOU and YOUR OPINION...
I’d say it more like dilution…