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Could be Stockton, but I personally don't believe that's it. They immediately arrived and synced up with OTCN the millisecond that we broke .10. Also, if you watch them, they usually don't buy or sell much of anything, and instead just use their algos to control/push down the pps. For example, if they're on the ask showing 10K, and somebody hits it for 100 shares, they immediately disappear and wait for all buying to stop, then reappear to drop it further. However, when VIRT disappeared again a little while ago, OTCN sold 1M+shares via their magical-never-ending 10K lot (different from January 2022, as neither VIRT nor OTCX/N sold back then). Now they're back and not selling again. As soon as the ask is hit, VIRT disappears and waits for the buying to stop, then reappears the second it's over and drops it further (see bottom 2 snippets below. Notice they OTCN+VIRT synced up at .095 ask, but then the second the ask was hit for lowsy 2800 shares, VIRT immediately disappeared. They are 100% only trying to control the pps, not buy nor sell. Just control/hold.. It's a brutal algo, and you see in snippets below how they are perfectly synced to the millisecond with OTCN.
I honestly cannot believe we're going through this again. Unfortunately I think we're gonnna need some additional news/PR's to hold above .10, because off-the-charts-insane-volume/buying is our only chance against that synced up algo.
For those who were here back in January 2022 and have any one of my many posts explaining how "the pattern" began and/or how VIRT+OTCX synced up their algos to drive us from .16 under .10, pay attention to VIRT on L2. The second we broke .10, they immediately showed up (1st time since driving us under .10 back in Jan 2022), and appears they're running the same algo. It doesn't actually buy or sell much of anything, if even anything, and instead just tries to control the bid/ask to ensure we're held under .10.
We're back in the 097's currently, so VIRT has disappeared, but watch what happens if/when we begin to approach/break .10 again.
That makes 2 of us! I couldn't agree more!
Agree 100% falon... In fact, I'm hoping to see a partial of that this afternoon. Not saying it's gonna happen, but that's what I'm hoping for. The past few days both PUMA & ASCM have taken control in the afternoon and held it below a certain level. Today that level appears to be 09.
A little while ago, once ASCM shorted it back under 09, they've been holding it under ever since. Each time we get close to breaking back above, those 2 (PUMA + ASCM) take full control of the bid & ask, with their magical never-ending 10K lots on the ask, and ensure we're held under. It's like musical-shares from .088-.09, as they all keep moving around, but ensuring it's held in that range. I'm hoping that changes here shortly with a huge burst of volume that hits out of nowhere (we're due for one of those monster closes), busts us above 09, and keeps going into .10's, .11's, .12's, etc..... Although it's been a while, it still wouldn't be the first time that it's happened, so I don't believe it's outside the realm of possibility.... 1.5 hours left in the trading day, so we'll see soon enough....
I hope the IPF works out for you the way you need it to. I've been taking it (Enzoimmune first, then IPF once available) since we were able to order from Bulgaria through Rosetta, and I can genuinely say that I am beyond satisfied with how it's helped my R.A.
Deportes - I want to see "one of those closes" and/or "one of those days" where we have an unbelievable/astronomical power-hour (double daily volume, L2 having trouble keeping up with speed/qty of trades, +50-100% in last 45 min, etc...). I think we're long overdue for one of those, and the best part is that if we had one, we'd still be undervalued when it was finished..... Lots of room to move up where we should be....
Yeah StocktonCA, ASCM definitely playing their games again today, and why I posted earlier that I was hoping we could keep them off of the ask. Once they get their shorting algo running full force, they can drop/push it down quick (as we just saw). However, with the volume we're seeing today, we still have beyond a good chance of breaking back over 09-095 (or potentially even into .10's) and actually closing up there.....
Roughly half way through the day, and already just shy of 23M in volume, and up .017+... Not too shabby.... I'm not saying that this is going to happen, but how awesome would it be if Charles dropped a MAJOR mid-day bombshell PR? 2.5-3 years ago, Charles gained somewhat of a reputation for dropping "surprise PR's," but then it went away over the past 2 years. I'd love to see that come back out of the blue and catch everyone off guard!
Also, if we keep going as we have been so far this morning, we could break .0988, which was our high on 4.28.22 during the second uptrend shown in the snippet below. That would be the 3rd "uptrend high" that we've broken over the past 1-1.5 weeks, and a great sign/indicator of bigger/better pps to come.....
LOL... Was literally typing as you posted that Jim... Nice buys/volume starting to come thru. Hopefully it keeps going throughout the day and we can keep ASCM+VERT+PUMA off of the ask. I see PUMA sneaking up the bid right now, but praying they stay off of the ask with their magical-neverending-10K Lots.....
Ooops, and there is ASCM on the ask, likely getting ready to short us some more...
Yup... completely agree findit.... All the "players" here today, but yes.... ASCM & VERT specifically, are responsible for pushing/holding this back under 08 today. However, as I mentioned in earlier posts, we actually broke "The Pattern" today.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that we're home free and off to the races, but I do consider the fact that we finally broke a 1.5-2 year pattern a very, very, big deal. Now we wait/see what comes next. I personally am expecting to see a bloody cliff-drop/takedown (mix of shakedown & profit taking), likely started with a pre-market fakedown (drop opening ask significantly under prior close) at some point over the next couple of days, but how we come through that will be a great indicator of what's to come. If we can hold above 065 during this time and keep moving up afterwards, that will be a great sign! If they're able to push us back into 05's and hold it, not such a good sign. I guess for now, we wait to see what tomorrow brings.....
Honestly, your guess is as good as mine. Based on what we know and what we have (Cure for HIV), $3 is nowhere near out of reach (I personally believe that were already worth that much, but just haven't been allowed to realize it yet). It literally could be as quick & simple as 1 major PR that pushes us there (BP Partnership/licensing, Clone 3 results curing HIV, etc....), or it could be continue to be drug out over several more months/years. However, we are still missing certain pieces to the puzzle, which I believe are needed to bring the level of retail volume required to push us there (combat/beat the games & control by specific firms)
* DESPERATELY NEED to go SEC Reporting. That will bring much needed legitimacy, and more importantly, specific protections for commons shareholders, to ENZC. I personally believe that this will help bring a significant number of retail & institutional investors off the fence.
- Need to know why the AS was increased by 1/3 (900M shares) of OS.
- Need an update or updates on where we are with Clone 3 mABS for each of the viruses/diseases. However, I believe the NDA's are currently blocking this, so there's nothing that can be done until they're able to talk on it.
- Obviously need clarification/details on dividend/$250M SPAC deal, as well as need that to become definitive (not Non-binding)
The volume over the past week or so, especially today, is great, but a large part of that volume is still coming from non-retail (VERT & ASCM Shorting Games, PUMA, & INTL). Volume is volume, and if it pushes us up, that's great, but when it's coming from these MM's in particular, they can easily erase it all just as quick as it moved up, so it's always 50/50 whether or not it holds. In fact, this is what we've grown used to over the past 2 years, as it followed a very, very, very predictable/cyclical pattern. However, the good news is that this pattern was finally broken today when we went above .079, so the next few days/weeks just got a bit more exciting/interesting (at least for me).
I know this doesn't exactly answer your question, but just pointing out that there are many factors that could impact how long it takes us to hit that mark. Again, based on what we know and/or what we know that we have, I genuinely believe that we're already worth more than $3 per share ($8.7B MC), but we just haven't been allowed to realize it yet. The ways I see it is that where waiting for 1 of 2 things to happen.
1. When the players who are and/or have been in control of our pps are ready, we'll finally begin realize our true value.
2. Charles goes SEC Reporting and drops a Major PR (BP Partnership/licensing deal worth $billions, test results showing clone 3 cured HIV, Clone 3 gets EU approval, etc....)
However, back to your question, I unfortunately have no idea when that will be, but obviously hoping/praying for sooner vs later.
At what point would enzc push to around 3 dollars?
BY - To answer your question, conservatively I believe we should easily be trading at > .30+ and not so conservatively somewhere around 0.79. Remember, Clone 3 for HIV was projected at somewhere around $100B over the first 11 years, which breaks out to roughly $9.09B per year, which would give us a pps of $3.15.
Seeing as how that projection is just for Clone 3 AND just for HIV, I figure trading at 10% of that (0.30) is considered conservative, and trading at 25% of that (0.79) is a little less conservative, but still doesn't factor in any other diseases/viruses/etc...
Also, keep in mind that when the $250M deal was announced, we were already trading at 05, and adding another $250M to our market cap should've added another 0.086 to our pps, putting us around .13-.14. So really, any way we look at this, even with the recent increase in pps, we are still trading at a severely undervalued & discounted pps....
So MP what's your conservative and not so conservative opinion where this should be trading right now ? Thx in advance
I think they're shorting Frank. If you watch their algo, they drop it further and further and further, the second buying lets up. If buying picks up again, they sell a little then move out of the way, and as soon as it slows again, they immediately drop it further while moving up to top bid to cover. I've watched them do this with several prior PR's. Once they're active and running this algo, it takes a lot of buying pressure to knock them out. Hopefully the buying continues strong and that's what we see..
Agreed. It appears that "the pattern" has finally broke! I'm not saying that we're 100% home free just yet, but the cyclical pattern that we've been held to for 1.5-2 years has finally broken! Looking Good indeed!
There's step 1 to breaking out of the pattern! We finally broke 065, so now to see if we can hold it and break 079 next. This will depend on what happens when the profit taking begins. We know that we're gonna see some profit taking likely today/tomorrow, so we'll need to see what happens afterwards. Will be pushed back down and see these gains erased or will we continue climbing? Either way, good see to the 065-break for now, and I'll take that as a good sign....
My predictions haven't changed BT. As I've posted more times than I can count, we are stuck inside of a very cyclical and predictable pattern. I won't post the entire thing again, but a while back I posted a snippet of our chart from Jan 2022-current to show exactly how it works, and what needs to happen to finally break out of it. If we can break above 065, I'd interpret that as the first step into breaking free, but I'm not so sure we'll be able to do that. If you look at that chart from Jan 2022 thru current, what you'll see is that each up trend immediately reverses and we're pushed right back down as soon as the RSI breaks 70, and the high of each uptrend is lower than the previous uptrend. The high of our most recent uptrend was .065, so once we break that we might begin to see a break in the pattern, but until that happens, I don't expect much of anything to change. however, the next few trading days should be interesting, because our rsi is just about to break 70 again.
Don't get me wrong, I like these green days, but I really don't too excited over them because of the pattern explained above.
We’ll, what’s new. INTL with unlimited shares is not gonna let this move up, and will likely push us back to or under 052 before close.
I hear ya wick, I hope you're right, and any green is good green, but INTL + PUMA won't allow this to break/hold .052. We need retail volume to move this, and without anything new/major/tangible dropping, I don't believe we'll see it.
I don't know who INTL+PUMA are working/loading for, but I don't think they're close to being finished yet. I still expect to see a very noticeable change in PUMA buying strategy prior to any sustainable increases, and at least for right now, they are still in "nonchalant-mode." Also, I'm not sure what we'll see, if Charles allows that yield sign to go to a stop sign, but it certainly won't help our volume.
Lastly, as it stands right now, with the exception of longs on this board, twitter, and discord, it doesn't appear that the market trusts that this $250M deal will go through. If it did, buying as well as our market cap, would reflect it. Instead, we're still trading at a MC that is $100M less than the deal. It doesn't make any sense/add up.
I know I've been a bit salty/negative, but I'm still not going anywhere. I just thought we were past the self-inflicted wounds (extensions, yield signs, over-promise/under-deliver SEC Reporting).
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Hmmmm... Looks like might've been right back in July 2022 about what they'd use/release for Plandemic 2.0.... I can't remember if ENZC is producing mABS for Marbug or not, but I think it would be a good idea if they did....
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/virax-biolabs-group-limited-has-entered-into-an-agreement-for-the-distribution-of-marburg-virus-pcr-testing-kits-301801695.html
Good Morning ENZC! When will the chokehold end? When will Charles follow through on SEC Reporting? When will ENZC actually file something on time and avoid extensions, yield, and stop signs? When will retail commons see a pps that accurately reflects our value and/or even halfway reflects it true value?
Yeah, yeah... .I know.... I guess I woke up a little salty this morning, but honestly all I'm looking for is what they told us was coming for 2+ years. SEC Reporting... I could care less about the QB uplist they promised, as pinks vs QB won't make a difference, but for the love of God just make the change to SEC Reporting as you told us you were going to do! That would provide the "PROTECTIONS" & "legitimacy" that's needed to bring that new retail off the fence, but instead we wake up to the following, which will just ensure that the chokehold & pattern continue:
- Still showing yield sign
- Still no SEC Reporting
- Still no explanation on 900M AS Increase
- PUMA and/or INTL still in control
- Still stacking against the artificial 052 ceiling
- Still trading at a market cap $100M less than SPAC deal
- 6-12 months for "Monumental Shift" has come & gone without the "monumental shift."
- New Retail still sitting on fence
Gee.... I wonder what tomorrow will look like? Hopefully they at least take care of the yield sign and dont allow it to turn into a stop sign...
Yeah, they've been holding that artificial ceiling at .052 for the past week.
Friday 4/21
Monday 4/24
Today 4/25
They're just holding the artificial ceiling at 052 to force retail sellers to go lower. It's as obvious as the day is long.... After all of those 052s get slapped (shown above), they stack it further, then drop the ask to 0515 (shown below). Same games, different day...
Giwarr - I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying, but only as it pertains to why we're not seeing retail volume/buying. The "over promise-under deliver" has had a major impact on retail interest, trust, and overall buying. Couple that with the coordinated control of several non-retail MM's (STXG, PAUL, PUMA, INTL), and retail trust/buying will continue to be non-existent until Charles delivers and/or follows through something major/tangible that will change it.
Now I don't believe anyone actually cared or cares about moving from pink to to QB, but I do believe people care about not following through and/or sitting on SEC Reporting. I personally believe that following through on their plan to move SEC Reporting, as they stated they were going to do a long time ago, would help to restore a lot of the trust lost over the past 2+ years. However, the way that they snuck into the most recent PR that "ENZC will continue trading on pinks," did the exact opposite and once again provided us with yet another over-promise-under deliver moment. I personally believe that we'll continue to be stuck in this ridiculous range/channel until Charles moves to SEC Reporting.
That said, I disagree about the pps being correct. I'm not suggesting that we should be trading at our full value right now, but as I stated in prior post, I very strongly believe that we should be > .40.
Like you, my average is in the trips (0.00041), and I've been watching for 3+ years now. What I saw take place in early January 2022 with the VIRT+OTCX tagteam to drive us under .10, was the most obvious control/coordination I've ever witnessed (I won't repost everything again, but somewhere in my older posts gives a detailed view of exactly what they did). From that point forward, we have been held to a very predictable, very cyclical, and very coordinated pattern. Based on that pattern, I'm expecting to be pushed back under 05 and into the .045-.0495 channel that they seem to want us in. Also, from what I've been watching over the past 7-10 days, it appears that INTL does not want this breaking above .052 for any reason whatsoever.
Lastly, I'm not sure about the Regeneron connection either, but I do believe there is some BP connection behind the scenes. There's a reason why we haven't seen/heard anything pertaining to clone 3 in a very long time, and I'm confident that whatever NDA's are currently in place, are in place to hide whatever they have going on with Clone 3. Whether or not that involves Regeneron is anyones guess.
Agree 100% Mutat, and I believe that is still a conservative estimate. We know that Clone 3 for HIV only was valued at roughly $9.09B/yr, which puts the pps based on current SS at roughly $3.15. If we just took 10% of that, it would put our pps at 0.315, then we'd still have to factor in everything else.
My point being that we are so severely & intentionally undervalued, it's not even funny. We're supposed to believe that our current market cap (for everything - C3, ITV1, AI, etc...) of $149M is accurate, when there's a $250M deal on the table for only a small piece of it. LOL...
Honestly, based on everything we currently know, I believe that we should be trading between ..45-.80, and I still consider that extremely conservative.
With the new deal-IPF-ITV-1-mAbs for several different diseases and animals along with the AI program we should be around 40 cents or so in this market today.
Agreed Catpole. Definitely not retail. INTL, PUMA, PAUL, VIRT, & JANE are not retail. For the past 7 months, PUMA has been in 100% complete & total control of the pps, with exception to 1 week (they must've been on vacation), when INTL took over.
I'm not sold on the control/coordination being ENZC buying back shares, but it's also not outside the realm of possibility. I personally am leaning more towards it being an undisclosed partner (related to C3) accumulating shares in a very specific and very undervalued range.
The way I view all of this is that the control/coordination/hold that we're experiencing today, all began back in January 2022 when VIRT+OTCX drove us from .16 to under .10. From there, it hasn't stopped. We dealt with months of PAUL controlling us and pushing down, and once they were finished, PUMA took the reigns in October 2022 and are still going strong to this day. As of 1-2 weeks ago, INTL joined the party and became much more active, and seems to be working in sync with PUMA to ensure the pps remains in this very tight/specific channel. In other words, I believe they're holding us in this channel to force any/all retail sellers to jump them and sell lower.
The only way to break free is with a MASSIVE increase in volume/retail buying pressure, but unfortunately I just don't see that happening until Charles follows through on SEC Reporting, and delivers something major/tangible that restores confidence while enticing those on the fence to take the risk and start buying.
Once again, at least for the time being, we don't have much of a choice, other than "hurry up and wait."
Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe OneLavi received IPF on consignment, and sales will go on Q1? Just a guess....
I haven't checked OTCM over the past few days, so I'm wondering if maybe the fins just showed up and OTCM just hasn't updated/removed the yield sign yet?
I believe there are a lot of people on the fence waiting for that "right time" to buy, but those in control have spent the past 2+ years destroying their confidence with the "cheaper tomorrow" strategy. Obviously ENZC has made a few mistakes along the way (days to weeks, monumental shift in 6-12 months, uplist upon audit completion, etc...), but regardless the following makes zero sense.
- Good News/PR = Devalued
- Big Name Partner/Collaborators = Devalued
- Patent Submission = Devalued
- Patent Publication = Devalued
- Excellent Test Results (Better than industry gold standard) = Devalued
- Most recently $250M deal on the table for only a piece of ENZC, yet our MC (including our crown jewel Clone 3 & AI, which aren't part of the deal) remains roughly $100M less than the $250M/piece.
The only way the above happens is intentionally, not organically. However, if Charles would follow through on what he told us they were going to do long ago (SEC Reporting & Uplist after audit completion), I believe that would provide many on the fence with the confidence needed to jump in and start buying.
Xtremetz1, I hear what you're saying about the full $250M, and I would love if that actually happened. However, I believe the main objective of this sale is to provide them with the necessary funds to push Clone 3 trials and other projects over the finish line. This is why I believe that "if" this deal goes through, shareholders will only see a small percentage of that $250M via dividends.
I would love to see them split it 50/50 (50% to dividends/50% to funding C3), but I personally believe the dividend percentage will be closer to 20%. Based on current O/S, that would give us roughly 0.017 per share dividend, or $17K per every million shares owned. We'll need to wait/see what happens, but regardless, the full $250M should be applied to our MC, which "should" increase the pps. Truthfully, we should've already seen a decent increase in pps based on this, but those in control just won't allow it. Considering the deal is still non-binding, I wouldn't expect to see the full increase (0.087), but we absolutely should've seen a .022-.0435 increase in our pps (25-50% of the $250M).
On a somewhat separate note, I would still like to see Charles stop sitting on SEC Reporting more than anything right now, as I believe that would provide those on the fence with the confidence to jump in and start buying, but based on the continued pattern, as well as PUMA + INTL ensuring this remains down here in laughable-land, I'm not expecting it anytime soon. Guess we'll need to continuing doing what we've learned to do best over the past 2-3 years, hurry up and wait some more. However, for the time being, it appears INTL will continue holding us.
LOL…. No, just a stock image I found online…
Hey Wick - The pain you were feeling in the base of your thumb, was it in the spot that I've circled on the pic below? The reason I ask is that roughly 1.5-2 years ago I began getting pain in that specific area (base of thumbs, both left and right), and as time went on, it moved to my knuckles. Both my thumb and fingers/knuckles were swollen beyond belief. I finally went to the doctor and they did some testing and told me I had Rheumatoid Arthritis. They tried to put me on all types of prescription meds, which I declined. I eventually got an appointment with somebody at Dr. Brian Ardis's old practice in Frisco, TX, and she put me on a bunch of different vitamins/supplements; and then when IPF (enzoimmune) became available through rosetta, I added that to my regiment.
The IPF/Enzoimmune definitely had a positive impact on my R.A., and I've been taking ever since. Still to this day, I have not had to take any of the R.A prescription meds that come with 1,000+ side effects. The supplements (Tumeric, Collagen C, Ligaplex II, Cardio Plus, & Vitamins B, C, D, & K2) coupled with the IPF have worked better than I ever could've hoped for.
Anyway, I bring this up because it all began with that pain in the base of my thumbs....
That makes 2 of us PB, and why it concerns me that he continues sitting on SEC reporting. It leads me to believe that he is trying to avoid a rule(s) that SEC Reporting would bring.
On a separate note, it only took roughly 2 hours to push the pps back down to the artificial 05 ceiling. Now we see if they're able to push us even further, back into the .045-.0495 channel by close, or if we wait until Monday for that? I literally & genuinely don't know how they could be any more predictable.