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“ That includes the 8-K that announces the sale of the patents and the license revenue to Attis”
Seems you still haven’t found the 8k filed by Attis where it states that GERS gets more money for their shares if GERS has higher earnings in the years to come. Keep it up Sherlock.
“Do I need to guide Kevin's hand while filling in the missing 10-K, 10-Q, and 8-K forms?” In reply to “Does he need to guide your hand while typing a search string in Google?”
Like, ‘Is the pope catholic?’
I think the most important points are missing in your reply:
“Most posters here share information with sincere intentions.”
“If you doubt the information, it’s okay to ask where the information comes from. If one refers to the 8k of a specific date, it might be enough. If you’re still unable to find it, just ask for help. “
So? You did get a different link, and a place to look for more info? Does he need to guide your hand while typing a search string in Google?
To be factual, you aren’t asking for a link. He’s asking if you need one, and you are answering his question.
The beauty of this board is that we can help eachother by sharing info. Most posters here share information with sincere intentions.
Maybe it’s a matter of a different way of upbringing, based on culturelal differences. But I would say...
If something is not clear, just ask for more info. If you doubt the information, it’s okay to ask where the information comes from. If one refers to the 8k of a specific date, it might be enough. If you’re still unable to find it, just ask for help.
But this board isn’t a encyclopedia. And we aren’t payed posters. We are just here to help eachother and to make better investing decisions based on information we share.
By keeping this board and the replies honest and respectfull, this board can be it’s own diamond. And I’m told some here know their diamonds.
I will help you a bit, since it seems hard for you to find the info, and it seems like you need it before you can answer the questuion why they would include the possibility of a higher price based on future earnings, If they sold the main patents.... But you’ll have to do some work yourself, since you told me once I would have to pay you if I wanted you to all the work.
Find the 8k of attis around June 2nd and my post here at that date.
Why? I gave you the facts. The more GERS earns in the coming years, the more they will get for the deal.
The price isn’t fixed. Now the question is, what good would that deal be if GERS would have sold the patents seperately.
The selling of the patents seperatly is pure speculation. The price of the deal being based on possible higher future earnings isn’t.
I suppose you ask me to share a link because you like ihub to be as complete as possible, because I don’t think you didn’t know this part of the deal. You’re to smart for that, not to have figured that out yet.
I’ve shared that text before. It’s easy to find. So if you really need it. It should take only a minute. But I wouldn’t know why you need it to answer the question.
Tell me, if greenshift doesn’t own the patents anymore, then why was the price of the deal based on a possible higher future income, and not on a fixed price?
“What is the difference between a Technical Report prepared in compliance with Industry Guide 7 in the US and NI 43-101 in Canada?”
That if it was compliance with Industry Guide 7 there would be other reasons to burn it down.
Good luck, nice entry point it seems.
It doesn’t say it’s illegal in the red text. It just warns people to be cautious because it ‘might be’ a red flag, but doesn’t have to be.
Still no link to the quoted examples. Fake news I guess!
Please provide a link to the documents containing these examples to see if they differ from mexus reports.
How can anybody talk anybody out of this, if you can not sell? No reason to tell them to hold either, you have no choice until real news hits.
Welcome to hotel California. You can check out anytime you like but you can never leave.
"Being able to google mistakes is no substitute for an understanding of the law"
These are almost 86.000 mistakes. And if Mexus makes one it's a crime LOL! FAKE NEWS!
https://ec.europa.eu/assets/jrc/minventory/country-summaries029c.html?country=Serbia
It doesn’t even have to be Canadian. “In some cases, companies supplied data to the State using an international code or standard, such as PERC or NI-43 101, which are also aligned to the Serbian National code”
Sorry, still don’t get it I guess.
Even in this filing http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=12793101-1285-21948&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=11718&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fcik%253d949721
Every involved company seems named, and btzo isn’t one of them.
I hope you’re right. Time will tell. Hopefully soon.
That’s a creative way to think of it. But I prefer to make the more likely assumption that GERS still owns those patents. IMO the chance to that is over 99%
“GERS made the deal with Attis, not Bitzio”
Wasn’t it Flux who made the deal(sold 80% of their JV) ? And GERS was involved through that deal?
Can be, but that wouldn’t explain to me why GERS is named and BTZO isn’t. Because FLUX was bought, and in the past FLUX owned BTZO, and BTZO owned GERS. So why name GERS when the deal is about FLUX and not about the companies underneath, unless it involves only the named companies.
Also BTZO wasn’t named in the Genarex deal. It seams off to name all these other companies, and no where name BTZO if they are also bought by ATIS, or if they have sold GERS to Attis.
“The litigation process is a public process. Any filings and rulings that are made inside of an appeals court courtroom can be seen and reported.”
So wouldn’t GERS selling the patent to a different party require GERS to file such info to the court? And doesn’t the lack of such filing show there probably hasn’t been a change of ownership of the patents?
Why expect differently, if there isn’t any reason to think so?
It’s like saying “could Apple have sold their patents to samsung, because they didn’t file it?”
It seems like nitpicking in reverse to me.
I don’t expect the patents would have been sold apart from GERS since GERS seems still the main party in the litigation.
Also GERS seems (partly) sold to Attis, as part of the FLUX deal (as shown in previously linked documents) so why sell the patents seperatly. It doesn’t make sense to sell the patents and then sell the empty company that owned the patents to the same company.
IMO GERS is still holding the patents, Attis is owning most of GERS, KK still owns 20% of FLUX (and 20% of 80% of GERS, or less if BTZO is still involved, wich I don’t expect, since they aren’t named in the Atis deal)and common share holders still own 20% of GERS.
This might be an interesting read on ‘how to catch up on missed filings’
https://www.theventurealley.com/2015/08/sec-guidance-on-catching-up-delinquent-filers/
“With a few calls to Corp Fin and the Office of the Chief Accountant, the staff would generally permit companies just to file the most recent Form 10-K and any subsequent Forms 10-Q... This week, the SEC staff has amended its Financial Reporting Manual to embody this approach.”
Read all:
“SEC guidance on “catching up” delinquent filers
Andrew Ledbetter
By Andrew Ledbetter on August 26, 2015
Posted in IPOs and M&A, News and Recent Events
Every so often a public company finds itself unable to file periodic reports for a protracted time. For example, a company may upgrade auditors and the new firm may advise of the need to re-audit prior years, which can take significant time. Until there is a reliable starting point for financial statements, new filings are in limbo. As time marches on, the older missed filings have less and less signficance to investors but would still entail the same amount of effort and expense to complete as any periodic report.
Over the years the SEC Corp Fin staff has developed ways of simplifying how a delinquent company may “catch up” in its filings. With a few calls to Corp Fin and the Office of the Chief Accountant, the staff would generally permit companies just to file the most recent Form 10-K and any subsequent Forms 10-Q. This approach facilitates getting to investors the most relevant, recent information. There remains some theoretical liability, as discussed below, but sometimes that is bearable for a company.
This week, the SEC staff has amended its Financial Reporting Manual to embody this approach.” to embody this approach. The manual now states that Corp Fin generally will not issue comments asking a delinquent registrant to file separately all of its delinquent filings if the registrant files a comprehensive annual report on Form 10-K that includes all material information that would have been included in those filings.
The manual also reminds delinquent companies that negative consequences, including legal liability, could arise from not filing all missed reports. The company may still have liability under the Exchange Act for failing to file all required reports, and Corp Fin’s general position does not foreclose the Enforcement staff from seeking enforcement action for the registrant’s filing delinquencies. In addition, until all missed reports have been filed, the company would not be “current” for purposes of Regulation S, Rule 144, or Form S-8 registration statements, and the registrant would not be eligible to use Form S-3 until it establishes a sufficient history of making timely filings.”
Thank. No problem. However, with the question a I’ve asked if I did miss any news, I meant company news, not TA. But your input is appreciated.
We’ve had that more often, like golden crosses without such results over years. It can be a reason, but I was asking more about company related news.
I’ve cleaned up the house a bit.
No offense meant.
http://ihwiki.advfn.com/index.php?title=Handbook
Please read the handbook to see what is or isn’t alowed. Also a post can be removed because it violated the TOU or the posts were removed because it lacked context to stand on their own after the removal of the other post.
Let’s keep this board on topic please. #GERS
Slashnuts did also share this info on the GERS board, so that would mean we might know soon if and howBTZO is still involved in GERS. And if not, if and how BTZO might be compensated. Then we will also know what it might mean to BTZO:
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=142475530
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Kevin To Bring GERS Current On All SEC Filings!$!$
Thanks for the link SkunK!
http://greenshift-gers.blogspot.com/
"Seller’s (GreenShift's) SEC Filings. Seller shall use commercially reasonable efforts to bring its outstanding filings current, and to thereafter file all reports, schedules, forms, statements and other documents required to be filed by it with the SEC under of the Exchange Act (all of the foregoing filed prior to the date hereof or amended after the date hereof and all exhibits included therein and financial statements and schedules thereto and documents incorporated by reference therein, being hereinafter referred to as the “SEC Documents”).
Seller shall file in a timely manner all reports required to be filed with the SEC pursuant to the Exchange Act and the regulations of the SEC thereunder, Seller shall not terminate its status as an issuer required to file reports under the Exchange Act even if the Exchange Act or the rules and regulations thereunder would otherwise permit such termination."
Registration Rights. Buyer and Seller shall enter into a registration rights agreement in substantially the same form as the form attached in Exhibit 6.5 hereto (“Registration Rights Agreement”), pursuant to which Buyer shall use its best efforts to register the Series G Stock, Series G Conversion Shares, and Buyer Closing Shares on a TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE basis, but in no event later than August 31, 2018.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/949721/000121390018007157/f8k052518ex10-1_attisindus.htm”
“So, is dilution and a reverse on the horizon so that only new investors receive gains”
I don’t know why you would think that? It has been very long since there has been dilution here. And all developments point at a brighter future so far.
You’re the link person? What was that news at July 18th?
Harry, we have seen a lot of volume even after the filings stopped. Also when they still filed. But the volume wasn’t concentraded around the filings, but around the moments important court news was expected about the pending lawsuit.
Before and after sec filings stopped.
Sounds like a nice way to spend some time meanwhile LOL
I was hoping for some filings after Attis got involved
This might help to get GERS being traded at all brokers again too.
Thanks for sharing Slashnuts. Sounds like good news!
And here you'll find the FORM 8-K
http://getfilings.com/sec-filings/180601/Attis-Industries-Inc_8-K/
Attis did file with the sec. As the new main shareholder, they did that job. Flux didn’t need to file maybe. Because they aren’t publicly traded.
No news...??? We had volume today. If that isn’t news, what is?
Since the ownership of the main shareholder has changed, it will be interesting to see, what update they will file, and if it will be of influence on GERS lack of filing. They have until August 15th to do so.
Let’s see if that brings anything. If it doesn’t, you’ll know it’s still the same.
I don’t expect (and care) too much.
Because I think what ever hapoens might be in our best interest in the end. But for those who just want a ‘normal’ company. That might be their cue.