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Yeah, chose the 6min one due to short attention spans here.....No doubt the kid was an amateur in his narration but content was very similar to other writings on the subject.....Maybe you'd have to debunk them all, a trait in all collapsing societies....
NASA
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/heres-how-nasa-thinks-society-will-collapse/441375/
MIT
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/heres-how-nasa-thinks-society-will-collapse/441375/
Turchin
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/can-history-predict-future/616993/
https://eand.co/how-societies-collapse-91fcd98f03d3
Our buddy Hanauer on pitchforks (add the h if you want to watch)
ttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI
Modern Society can't take an uprising.... Be it left or right.....I can now see the left getting riled up if Trump should win and then met with opposition.......Look at how vulnerable society is by using the beginning of the pandemic as an example.....Anyhoot, all agree, society's never see it coming till its too late....
The 'Poseur is a nice touch, you have your opinion and I have mine...Progressives do have a reputation, not sorry in the least to speak it out loud....
To take the opinion further, you and yours do more to divide the country than anyone else.....And somewhat Quoting Maher they 'act like a bunch of 'mean girls' .....Not a good look and certainly a break down in manners and civility....Not much at setting an example either......
Well you're back into pure progressive style.....Must say it doesn't look good on you....
Enjoy,,,knew what I'd see if I checked back in....But enjoyment of this kind in the world, goes to show where we're at and where we are headed.......
Particularly like Glubb's list, the complexity part and maybe our trigger, the pandemic, you'll like the first two segments also
Edit: Its how he governed especially at the beginning and most of all at this point in time....Bad move in my opinion...
I don't mind liberal thinking in the old context of years ago...To me progressives have gone overboard on what they advocate for now days....And they paint the dem party as such......
Guess it boils down to the primaries and who controls them for both parties....Now the center loses out with the 2 party system....
(Remember, 70% didn't want Biden to run again, and 70% didn't want either to run again)
Let you go for now, you all enjoy
GN
Yep and that author confirmed what I said, what we've seen and there is much more as I said, whether you want to believe it of not has no bearing on it.......Maybe you are just more progressive and he seems about right to you...
Put plainly, someone deserved that insult, its was kind considering....I don't engage in the insult thing personally,,,But the one in question was funny and well deserved.......
Yes, Biden is governing as a progressive. But that shouldn’t surprise you
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-05-16/joe-bidens-governing-as-a-progressive-thats-a-surprise-only-if-you-werent-paying-attention
I'm not going to look it back up but it was a legal scholar on all the trump cases about the more you attack him thing...common sense also comes into to play
Be as condescending as you like, that doesn't change matters or make you right,,,,Id be obliged if you cut that crap out..
Oh and if you care to look, much a has been written about Joe and the progressives,,that one had a good headline and shows how he governed right out of the gate
I call BS on the 'insult',,,,,someone has quite the history, to say the very least....
Great time to be offended, lol.....But someone else is even more so,,,,so their was a little medicine back...
Like I say, progressives can be quite the hypocrites, especially in the offensive category.....
Good on the past,,,Gallop has the current numbers as posted and others saying the same....
Edit..I didn't say trump was a centrist......I said Biden should have governed like one.....Even just for politics sake, independents are up to 49% and then there are Moderates in the 2 parties......Note his approval rating overall, and his approval rating on all the issues but one....
Trump represents an anti everything to people......Many are at the point they don't even like him much.......
Pointing out congress is good and you're right....But its an anti establishment vote,,,,And dems aren't so different, their candidates are more and more to the extreme progressive side.....But you don't see older dems leaving like they probably should.....Guess that's why they look like the status quo on top of their governance......
I don't disagree with you about the craziness, still its a result from....I can understand you and dems being befuddled by it all.....But that's all the further you have been willing to go and has been since he hit the scene....
One person put it well, the more everyone goes after him, the more popular he gets......Thats how it was in 2016 and how its shaping up now...
Ok, now its just talking points....Joe gives a good speech on those subjects around election time...Those bills are also full of lawyer speak as Ive pointed out to........Dems killed bipartisanship with adding BBB to Infrastructure right after it passed the senate.....Bowing to the progressive wing....And have had a largely progressive agenda when it was time for a centrist one.....That and some missteps like Afghanistan and Joe last press conference... (One of only 33 for his presidency)
An always and expanding the social net is not what the country needs nor can now afford.....We are in another K shaped recovery, thats what people feel (again) and the indicators don't show how people are feeling the economy...All the indicators were great for the other K shaped recoveries...Just good for whom?
So thats what people feel and its up in the middle class now too...And its been building and building
One I remember with distinction was his Gettysburg speech.........Now we are more divided than ever, just listen to the pundits and both sides of media.....
I like Joe too....More as a grandfather now, lol.....So if I want to just fall in line, I might do as you say I left the entire article....
Many of our discussions are a little deeper than just rhetoric and pats on the back......Ive been talking with some of these people for years......Agree with them on many issues.....Know they are wrong about many to now.....
So unless you want to make the discussion a bit deeper, Ill add more to the over 1100 posts in my mail box that aren't read by the first 8 words alone....
Not that I don't think you shouldn't express yourself, others will read it.....But I think too many have fallen in line on both sides and that's one of the biggest problems we face.........
Ok, I get you and have,,,,,,What does history say, and has shown, about what happens when income inequity gets out of control......Can I point out Hitler, The French revolution, china, Cuba and so on.............
Everything you just said is true its just the result of,,,,And nothing dems have done will lead them to think things wont continue, just keep the status quo and slot of people are now sick of the status quo or there wouldn't be a trump in America of all places......
It never ends well
Repubs did start it, but dems joined in, as I've posted and proven, thats the part you and dems don't want to see and why things aren't changing as far as trump is concerned
Think Carville is right?
Carville: ‘Too many preachy females’ are ‘dominating the culture of the Democratic Party’
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4552950-carville-too-many-preachy-females-are-dominating-the-culture-of-the-democratic-party/
Democratic strategist James Carville argued “too many preachy females” in the Democratic Party could be to blame for President Biden’s bleeding support from key voters.
In an interview published Saturday with New York Times opinion columnist Maureen Dowd, Carville voiced concerns about the culture of the Democratic Party and how it could be impacting Biden’s support among voters, especially those that are male.
“A suspicion of mine is that there are too many preachy females … ‘Don’t drink beer, don’t watch football, don’t eat hamburgers, this is not good for you,'” he said. “The message is too feminine: ‘Everything you’re doing is destroying the planet. You’ve got to eat your peas.'”
Carville, who was a strategist for former President Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign, argued this culture and rhetoric is not addressing the concerns of male voters.
“If you listen to Democratic elites — NPR is my go-to place for that — the whole talk is about how women, and women of color, are going to decide this election. I’m like: ‘Well, 48 percent of the people that vote are males. Do you mind if they have some consideration?” Carville said.
When it comes to Biden’s low approval ratings, Carville quipped, “When I look at these polling numbers, it’s like walking in on your grandma naked. You can’t get the image out of your mind.”
Carville in recent weeks has also expressed concerns about Biden’s falling support among voters of color and called it a “problem” for the incumbent last week.
According to a Gallup poll released last month, Democrats’ lead as Black Americans’ party of preference has fallen 20 points in the past three years, while their homes among Hispanic adults is at its lowest point since 2011. A CBS News poll from last month showed Biden’s support among Black voters was down from 87 percent in 2020 to 76 percent this year.
Despite his worries about the president’s campaign, Carville noted he “actually likes Biden.”
“He’s a tenacious guy that’s had a real life. He’s a state school guy. He doesn’t have an iota of elitism. He doesn’t even know what ‘woke’ is. He’s been demonstrably the best president that Black America’s ever had, Clinton and Obama included,” he said. “You look at incomes, employment, poverty rates, access to health care. It’s not where whites are, but it’s closer than it’s ever been.”
The Biden campaign is ramping up efforts to reach voters of color, and last week, it launched ads of Biden directly speaking to Black voters in battleground states. The campaign argued another term for former President Trump would be a “disaster” for the demographic.
The campaign later announced a program to engage Latino voters, whom Biden called “the reason why, in large part,” he beat Trump in 2020 while fundraising in Arizona last week.
The Hill reached out to the Biden campaign for further comment.
There is more to it and you know that too......Dems had their three year and are still dead even with trump...Ive given my opinion as to why with many a link to back it up over these months and even yrs...
So, you tell me opinion of why America is where its at today.....
And you know better than it was just the Republicans..... Thats why they now represent the working class...
You always say all trump voters,................Well its more than that, Dems now look like they are the Establishment, to coin the 60s term.....And that's as much of the problem as anything...
Nice to hear you admit the income inequity problem.......Dems had a big hand in it and all people are hearing out of Biden is more of the same that they heard for the last 40 yrs....
And I do agree with you about the repubs and trump, always have....Now its crunch time,,,,but probably past that now too
If my opinion is different than your beliefs, it doesn't mean I'm lying. I just don't believe as you do...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-purpose/201810/what-actually-is-belief-and-why-is-it-so-hard-change
This social silencing, this depluralizing of America, has been evident for years, but dealing with it stirs yet more fear. It feels like a third rail, dangerous. For a strong nation and open society, that is dangerous.
How has this happened? In large part, it’s because the political left and the right are caught in a destructive loop of condemnation and recrimination around cancel culture. Many on the left refuse to acknowledge that cancel culture exists at all, believing that those who complain about it are offering cover for bigots to peddle hate speech. Many on the right, for all their braying about cancel culture, have embraced an even more extreme version of.....
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/opinion/cancel-culture-free-speech-poll.html
Cancelled culture is another reason trump is dead even,,,,May get back to the origins of America and free speech,then debate......I'll stick to my opinions on where we are today and why and my opinions of progressives...Thank you
America Has a Free Speech Problem..NYT
For all the tolerance and enlightenment that modern society claims, Americans are losing hold of a fundamental right as citizens of a free country: the right to speak their minds and voice their opinions in public without fear of being shamed or shunned.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/opinion/cancel-culture-free-speech-poll.html
Dems are struggling with minority voters and youth,,,they need them to win against trump....seems they want more than to be treated like automatic votes based on racism.....
And no opinion on progressives? Like opinions I hear here everyday about WV and stereotypes, Trump voters, independents who have a differing opinion...
Are you going to start the cancel culture part?
May read this its not so simple.....
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174102073
Democrats Lose Ground With Black and Hispanic Adults
BY JEFFREY M. JONES AND LYDIA SAAD
https://news.gallup.com/poll/609776/democrats-lose-ground-black-hispanic-adults.aspx
I also posted Dems are losing Latinos.....May read it.....
Also I have a right to an opinion as I see much of it here......Progressives tend to not like differing opinions, they get down right hateful
Research legal migrants and their opinions on the border and how their support for dems is slipping...My article was one of many....
Anything not far left is far right to progressives.....
Newsweek is a credible source, so no misinformation, just a fact you'd rather not hear
Newsweek,,,,center bias
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/newsweek
MSNBC....left to far left bias
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/msnbc
Keep spouting those, it only shows exactly what Im talking about
Remember those polls dems keep ignoring.....The modern economy is not working for the majority,,,,,,Its just another K shaped recovery and people know it.....And they know, dems don't get it....
Back to that anti establishment undercurrent that is swelling...
Pretty soon you'll be flying a different flag there
I did live there for 25yrs,,,,Even worked the oil patch with Global Marine.....
During the 80 recession you couldn't find a Texas license plate, anything north of Conroe was considered a Yankee, Lol
Texas may well seceded, just not the way most think
81% of Black Americans Don't Want Less Police Presence Despite Protests—Some Want More Cops: Poll
Dems no longer represent the legal Latinos..... Blacks and other minorities grow tired of being treated as if they are one trick ponies.....Civil Rights was a great cause, but the country has made great strides.....Dems trying to drag people back to the 60s and ignore modern issues, they ring hollow.....
81% of Black Americans Don't Want Less Police Presence Despite Protests—Some Want More Cops: Poll
https://www.newsweek.com/81-black-americans-dont-want-less-police-presence-despite-protestssome-want-more-cops-poll-1523093
Dems have become the the kings (or queens) of stereotyping just read the posts here....Most off America is well past it...
Latino Voters Are Leaving The Democratic Party
You're Texas Proud? You don't even take up for your own state......
Im positive most native Texans would love to ask the likes you to step outside........You can't hide behind their good manners and undermine the state at the same time........
Latino Voters Are Leaving The Democratic Party
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/11/1014967344/latino-voters-are-leaving-the-democratic-party
Why Some People Strive to Justify the Status Quo (a social-cognitive analysis of system justification motivation)
Dems don't have a clue about modern issues like how the economy affects the majority and the effects of immigration even when it arrives at their door steps.....Youth, minorities and the working class are growing as anti establishment as the kids of the 60s..........Dems are befuddled why the same old, same old is working against them....Its as simple as they are the republican party of years past when they represented the rich and the status quo......
Just dig into to the old bag of tricks and pander,,,,,It falls on deaf ears,,,Maher made a good point again that dems will ultimately ignore, just as they do the modern economy and immigration.......People are tuning out those same old BS talking points making the anti establishment undercurrent grow........Toss in the abuse of power 1/2 the country sees plainly and add in all the extreme progressive issues dems chose to prioritize........ And you have an anti establishment movement not a political one....
Why Some People Strive to Justify the Status Quo
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-justice-pacifists/202106/why-some-people-strive-justify-the-status-quo
There are many ways of looking at income inequality, but they all tell the same story. Over the last 40 years in the U.S. and other capitalist nations, the rich have gotten much richer, while the middle and working classes have stayed the same or gotten poorer (Stiglitz, 2015). In the United States, one of the richest countries in the history of the world, 34 million citizens live below the official poverty level.
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Some neighborhoods are doing better than others all throughout the country and cities........We only see the headlines from NYC.......The Guard in the subway, the immigration problem there now, the shoplifting in parts of the city.....Just read the population there lost 78k in 2023.......And I did read about billionaires row........
So good to know rent is going up and restaurants are thriving in your part of town.....I know the cost of living is high,,,,,As the city told the migrants, go somewhere else, its too expensive here...
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/14/nyregion/nyc-population-decline
The city lost nearly 78,000 residents in 2023, shrinking its population to 8.26 million people, according to the estimates, which were released on Thursday. In 2022, it lost more than 126,000 residents. From April 2020 to July 2023, the city lost almost 550,000 residents, or more than 6 percent of its population.
My bad, misread in a hurry....Truthfully I hope all goes well or NYC...
It's a possibly... And people grow tired of the progressive whitey crap....Dems seem to not look outside their own bubble.....Had they, Trump would be mere after thought...
If you're going to be repetitive, allow me.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174097171
That there may be one more unintended consequence...... Thats my point.... Just like the unintended consequence of that fire sale brought us to where we are today as a nation.....
And when they do take those businesses will a message will be sent to all of NYC homed business.....
You see the exodus of retail and mom and pop businesses from certain cites due to relaxed petty crime laws.....Will the same happen to NYC based big business........Tax base and employment effected... Empty buildings once full.....
The city is already under stress due to immigration and the small retailer outlets...Not to mention population dropping after the pandemic.... Will big business decide its time to move on,,,,,
NYC just may join the realm of much of the country that lost its tax base, population and small business due to the fire sale of American Industry....
Search,,,Dems losing minority and young voters....
‘The Elite’s Destruction of Civic Customs Is Complete’
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/07/trump-indictment-roundup-future-00090838
In Tuesday afternoon, against the blue-sky backdrop of one of the first spring-like days in New York, Donald Trump’s eight-car motorcade arrived at the Manhattan district attorney’s office. He was there to turn himself in ahead of his arraignment on criminal charges related to hush money he paid to an adult film star, Stormy Daniels, during the 2016 campaign. His indictment marks the first time a former — and certainly the first time a former and possibly future — president has been charged with criminal conduct.
After almost a decade of Trump’s rewriting most of the rules in politics, his indictment could blow up another norm: The perception of the legal system’s independence from politics. Conservatives and Republicans have argued that Trump’s prosecution was politically motivated, coming from a liberal DA who campaigned on holding Trump accountable. (Even some liberal analysts have pointed to the flimsiness of the 34 felony counts Trump has been charged with.) Meanwhile, most liberals and Democrats argue that it’s a triumph of law and order over a president who has long evaded consequences for his actions
Will this prosecution change politics as we know it?
POLITICO Magazine reached out to a group of the sharpest legal and political minds to get their take on how the charges leveled at Trump could usher in a new era of politics, with consequences that will reverberate long after Trump’s trial, long after the 2024 campaign and long after Trump is out of office — or, as the case may be, out of prison.
The last time everyone had it out for Trump like this, he became president.
In the United States, no citizen is privileged above any other. The problem for Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg, therefore, is not to show that Donald Trump was indicted despite being a former president but to prove that Trump wasn’t indicted because he was the former president. Trump isn’t above any law, no matter how relatively small, but he also shouldn’t be below basic notions of fairness. Even after Bragg unveiled the 34-count indictment and 13-page statement of facts, it is still not clear what the legal theory of this case is. And that is a problem.
The DA has brought a charge that is on shaky legal ground — and in all the explanations he provided this week, he has not specified the elements he intends to prove at trial and has left open questions about what evidence he has to prove basic parts of his case. Despite some wishful thinking I’ve seen from some folks online, I can tell you these are not signs of strength from a prosecutor.
This gets to the political ramifications of these charges. By bringing a case that is so open to criticism from lawyers across the political spectrum, Bragg has left himself open to criticism that he has brought charges against Trump because Trump is a politically popular target with his largely liberal constituents. During his 2021 campaign, Bragg emphasized the importance of the Trump investigation and of electing someone who could hold Trump accountable.
The predictable result is that Republicans — both voters and Trump’s potential rivals for the nomination — have responded to these perceived political attacks by circling their wagons around Trump despite the fact that his alleged conduct, paying off an adult film actress, would seem to put him at odds with most social conservatives. Meanwhile, Democrats are quietly rooting for Trump to be the Republican nominee because they believe he is the easier candidate to defeat in a general election.
And if all that sounds eerily familiar, it’s because it is. Last time, it resulted in Trump being elected as the 45th president of the United States.
“Local Republican prosecutors may explore whether they, too, can criminally pursue national political leaders from the opposing party.”
I think the situation surrounding the prosecution is too unstable and unprecedented to venture any firm predictions for how it might affect politics in the short term, including the 2024 election. Trump and his supporters have been touting the fact that many of his supporters are rallying around him, but that gives us only a partial and potentially very misleading picture of the political impact across the entire U.S. voter base. It is useful to recall that during his presidency, Trump would tout the fact that he had high favorability numbers among self-identified Republicans even though national polling consistently showed that he was well underwater with voters across the country, and of course, he went on to easily lose to Joe Biden in 2020.
I do not have a crystal ball, but I find it hard to believe that in the aggregate it could help a national presidential candidate in this country to be under indictment. Indeed, at the moment, Democratic voters — at least judging by my inbox! — appear just as energized by the indictment and just as uninterested in questions about the strength or propriety — or even the underlying facts — of the case against Trump. Many of them believe (not unreasonably) that the man is a uniquely dangerous political figure, and after years of many liberal legal pundits telling the public that Trump could easily be put in prison if only some prosecutor had the courage to do it (which has always been far too simple-minded), they seem to believe that the prosecution is justified in large part because it could help prevent Trump from retaking office. They may ultimately be right about that.
Over the long term — and here I am talking about years, if not decades — I expect local Republican prosecutors may explore whether they, too, can criminally pursue national political leaders from the opposing party, even if the case appears literally unprecedented. Needless to say, we do not know whether Trump will be charged by the Justice Department in the ongoing investigation into January 6 and the classified documents stored at Mar-a-Lago, but if that happens, that could dissipate the short- and long-term political effects of the Manhattan DA’s case.
It could also re-focus the country’s attention on where I think it should have been immediately after Biden came into office — ensuring that our presidents are subject to swift and robust legal accountability from our only nationally representative prosecutorial body. Such an outcome in that case, I believe, is more likely to secure broad-based public and political support, more likely to demonstrate strong and compelling legal cases and more likely to obtain significant sanctions upon a conviction, like imprisonment.
“In the coming months, we shall see pro-Trump forces using the same corrosive tactics — or lose utterly.”
Anyone who spends a single second treating this case as a legal action is either wasting his breath or participating in the program. At the upper levels, our juridical condition changed forever on November 9, 2016, when the unexpected, the impossible, the unthinkable happened, and the “power elite” haven’t recovered. The very fact of Trump’s victory proved that the system itself needed a correction.
It was necessary to manufacture the undoing of Trump, the withdrawal of legitimacy, the reversal of history by other means. And so we got allegations of collusion with Russia, Stormy Daniels, “RESIST!,” impeachments, lawfare of various types, the Jan. 6 show trial, the Mar-a-Lago raid … and now the indictment. They’re all of a piece. Who cares how much these actions have distorted and vulgarized the public square? If they demoralize Trump supporters, the Great Unwashed, so much the better. Anything to discredit and topple their leader, no matter how flimsy and perverse the aggression.
A day or two after Trump won, I stepped inside the Union Square subway station in New York and discovered a long wall covered with post-it notes, thousands of them, all from Trump opponents, each bearing an expression of pain, dismay, fear or rage. This is not a sane reaction, I thought. None of the authors would worry if a newspaper broadcast an allegation against Trump using only one anonymous source, or if a prosecutor bent the law to absurd lengths to get an indictment. Rule of law, equal treatment, due process, democratic process, a Fourth Estate suspicious of the power elite … such norms don’t apply to a malignant agent. As a result, Trump opponents have become so illiberal, tribal and fixated that they’re ready to accept gross violations of civic tradition in order to take him down.
Those who support Trump must acknowledge this new illiberal reality. The elite’s destruction of civic customs is complete. In the coming months, we shall see pro-Trump forces using the same corrosive tactics — or lose utterly.
“The start of a new era in which no one is above the law.”
indictment might have a somewhat counterintuitive effect on the 2024 nomination race: His legal troubles might encourage other Republicans to get into the race, as we saw with long-shot candidate Asa Hutchinson last week. So far, we haven’t seen a stampede of new candidates. But if that does happen in response to any perceived vulnerability on Trump’s part, having a larger field of candidates could help him win the nomination by splitting up the non-Trump vote.
The connection between politics and presidential accountability is an even more interesting one, in my opinion. We don’t have a monarchy in this country, and presidents are supposed to have the same status as everyone else. But the presidency has long had an air of ceremony and statesmanship, signifying the power it holds. This makes the politics of holding the president accountable especially painful, for their political supporters and the country as a whole. Part of the logic of President Gerald Ford’s pardon of President Richard Nixon after Watergate was to end our “national nightmare.” But in 2023, things have changed. Politics often feels like a nightmare anyway, so there’s no sense in trying to dodge the conflict inevitable in a post-presidential investigation. Polarization has helped to erode some of the mystique of the office, and that might be a good thing in the end.
It’s impossible to separate law from politics entirely when charging a former president. It’s going to be messy, but possibly the start of a new era in which no one is above the law — not even those once charged with executing it.
This prosecution may be the only way to avert a slide into authoritarianism.
As I wrote for POLITICO Magazine precisely a year ago, the cost of not indicting Trump would be a presidency without guardrails. Today, the stakes of this prosecution are arguably even higher, as he’s now a candidate for the 2024 presidential race and favored for the Republican nomination. Numerous polls have him at a double-digit lead over Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.
Trump deserves credit for one thing, at the very least: He says what he is going to do, and he does it. If he is the GOP nominee, there are two possible outcomes. Both are deeply disturbing.
Trump could lose the election again. If that happens, he won’t go quietly. Nor will his supporters, who could revert to violence. A survey conducted for CNN last month showed that 63 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents still believe that President Joe Biden did not legitimately win enough votes to win the presidency. A study by the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project and Everytown for Gun Safety Support Fund found that, over the 18-month period from January 2020 through June 2021, there were 560 events where demonstrators brandished firearms, with violence erupting 16 percent of the time. The authors find that armed demonstrations are nearly six times as likely to turn violent than unarmed ones, and that the majority of armed demonstrations are driven by far-right mobilization and reactions to liberal and progressive activity.
The second option is that Trump wins the election, either legitimately or with the aid of Republican state legislatures’ caving to pressure to cancel popular votes for the Democratic candidate. GOP members of Congress could also refuse to gavel in a Democratic winner in January 2025, and successfully halt the vote count. Assuming he manages to take office, a second Trump presidency is a terrifying prospect. Just this week, Trump argued for defunding the Justice Department and the FBI, and he has previously planned to empty the national security and intelligence apparatuses and the State Department and replace staff with loyalists — a plan reported back in July. In 2019, Trump tweeted that his supporters could “demand” that he not leave office after two terms.
If any of that happens, America will no longer be a democracy. One way to prevent these outcomes is a criminal conviction for Trump, which will make it much harder for voters to support him and for GOP allies in Congress to continue their unabashed support. For now, we best not avert our gaze from the possible dangers ahead.
I’m not the best at political prognosticating. For instance, I never expected that Trump would survive a full term in office. And on the merits, he shouldn’t have. (Remember the first impeachment?) What I didn’t expect was the GOP’s craven complicity in his serial misdeeds. With few exceptions, they have slowly allowed themselves to be boiled alive in the toxic stew that Trump created — and kept refilling.
Will this historic first indictment of a U.S. president snap them out of it? I doubt it. Before even seeing the indictment, a large swath of the GOP and conservative media were condemning New York City’s district attorney, Alvin Bragg, for what they claim is a politically motivated prosecution. The criticism has hardly abated since the arraignment, either. Part of the problem is the complex, connect-the-dots nature of the crime alleged — paying a porn star “hush money,” but doing so by allegedly falsifying business records, which in turn is alleged to have been done to hide the story during the end stages of the 2016 presidential campaign. This isn’t the sort of crime that most people can really wrap their heads around, so Trump’s supporters can continue to trash the prosecutor. Even Utah Senator Mitt Romney has joined the condemnation choir, accusing Bragg of “stretching” the law to “fit a political agenda."
But maybe this first indictment is just proof of concept; that, after well over 200 years since the founding of the country, a U.S. president can be held accountable. The dam has broken. And there are other, more significant investigations that may soon lead to further indictments — both by Fulton County Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis, and by Attorney General Merrick Garland’s Department of Justice. Whether our dismal political landscape may finally begin to shift will likely turn on whether these cases lead to further legal jeopardy for the former president, and whether the GOP will be made to pay at the polls in 2024 for continuing to ride the Trump train until it derails for good.
“The end result is long-term damage to the public’s confidence in the rule of law.”
Donald Trump now faces criminal charges in Manhattan, and soon he may face charges in Fulton County, Georgia, and perhaps in one or more federal courts. He has been attacking prosecutors and judges long before these criminal investigations were initiated, and he has already started making personal attacks against the judge and prosecutor in the Manhattan case. His words and actions have sown distrust in our criminal justice system and distract from the charges brought in Manhattan, which may soon be eclipsed by weightier charges brought in other jurisdictions.
A Secret Service officer standing behind a barricade outside of Trump Tower, with another man walking in front of him.
After almost a decade of Trump’s rewriting most of the rules in politics, his indictment could blow up another norm: The perception of the legal system’s independence from politics. | Bryan Anselm for POLITICO
Regardless of how those charges play out, the end result is long-term damage to the public’s confidence in the rule of law and the ability of the criminal justice system to police corruption in politics. We will ultimately pay a higher price than Trump does.
“This prosecution marks an end to the era of conflict avoidance with Trump and his fellow travelers.”
Will Stancil is a policy researcher at the University of Minnesota.
It’s about time. A terrible legacy of Trump’s presidency is how he taught the worst political figures that they could bluff their way into total impunity. It’s become self-perpetuating: Authorities looked at the system’s inability to hold Trump accountable and took it as proof of his untouchability — or worse, assumed that accountability risks devastating political backlash.
Trump hasn’t wriggled his way out of various legal jams so much as law enforcement has talked itself out of putting him into those jams. It’s telling that the conspiracy at the root of Trump’s New York charges was also the subject of federal investigation — an investigation which has seemingly vanished into Merrick Garland’s filing cabinet. And of course, these charges are the least of Trump’s crimes.
We endanger ourselves when we won’t impose consequences on the powerful. This prosecution marks an end to the era of conflict avoidance with Trump and his political fellow travelers. That’s bad news for someone like Donald Trump, but a happy day for America.
Think that was a Trump endorsement? Or just a truth that's not complementary....
If you want to be honest about anything you have to look at both sides of issues.....Not just defend one and act as the other party does....It does the word honesty no favor....
James made a purely politically motived charge by stretching the law past any norm.....That sir is damaging the institution of what we call the rule of law.....
Wield the law with integrity, be above reproach and all will be well, you will have proven your honesty beyond a doubt
Can't say politically motivated, lol.......Since she ran on it she had to come up with something, oops no money laundering, nothing else...,,,So lets help out that division thing she spoke of with 'trumped' up charges....did she help or hurt? And hows that no bail and 1000 shoplifting thing working out, ask those retail outlets and mom and pop stores....
But you can't say it was politically motivated.......
Duh,,,She ran on Get Trump....