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I think there are a lot of
con men involved with this stock. Some of them are sheep in wolves clothing FMI.
Ren that was a good post.
Right now I'm trusting that I have been scammed. I only know for FACT what the company has put in pr's and has failed to deliver on. What I know as word of mouth is much greater.
Anyone want to take a guess at salaries? I'd wager 10K a week or higher for Paul, Ron, Carolyn. Just a guess? Any other guess? Maybe we will eventually get to find out.
Ren,
"Riley we never could find because we couldn't be sure on how to spell his name."
I wonder why.... Perhaps they knew this all along?
Well Stated.
the only thing I am certain of is that I got duped!
Now why not post a link
to Ron Blackburns background to round out the conversation?
PBLS want's to blame shareholders for a depressed stock price? LOL That is very very funny.
Hey PBLS why not pay a dividend? Why not give up the pref III shares which were supposed to be a poison pill? why not put the shares at the 815M shares you promised?
BTW if all this is so true about Mike and Vince why did PBLS hire them? Don't they do their DD?
This is nothing more than a scare tactic to try and bully investors into being quite. LOL...not a chance.
Lake it was a long hard
lesson for me. I wish I had been more open to you, mthead, Imirish, Cowboy, Asus, Rover, coydog, and many others on this stock.
In the end I learned a heck of a lot about trading pennies on this one....time to move on and apply the knowledge to making money now.
Edit Isn't it at least in the realm
of possibility that some things can't be proven? I'm not trying to be a smart arse, but how do you prove a phone conversation? There just simply isn't a link for everything?
Yes everyone should question everything. Some where in the mix of everything lies the truth. Don't make the mistake of discounting what some say because there isn't "proof". By the time there is actual proof it will be far to late for most shareholders to recoup any loses.
BTW I agree with you that asking for proof is good, but sometimes the proof is in the pudding so to say. Let's take chilar as a great example. Up until a week or so ago have you ever seen him post something overly negative on this stock in 3 years? Maybe there is something to him being upset now...doesn't mean there is a link to post...it just means that one very large (over 20M shares at one point) shareholder has discovered reason to be extremely displeased with this company.
Anyway I really do gotta get of this board. I have nothing positive to say about this company and I fear that over the next several months many of you that are still here are going to suffer very large losses....That is simply my opinion, but it is an opinion that is based on about 2 years worth of information.
Also I'd like to point out that when people post positive conversations with the company or "other" people no one gets upset. Everyone just put's on the rose colored glasses and say's weeeeeeee! But when some of the largest shareholders (way way larger than I ever was) turn negative everyone want's to flip out. If there is one thing I learned on this stock is that I should open my ears to what everyone on both sides of the fence is saying...it just might save me money in the future.
Why should he prove anything to
someone who is clearly being hostile towards "the other view"?
BTW I still say this is like talking to myself a year ago...and that is sad...very sad....because I got suckered out of a lot of money because I flat out refused to listen to another point of view.
Instead of challenging everyone that posts something you don't like why not see if you can disprove their claim instead? that would not only ease your mind, but it would also put an end to the conversation. Plus it puts the focus back on the company and not on each other. It's not the shareholders that are the bad guys here.
I'd actually have to amend that one.
The actual email only said:
"I am assuming that you are totally out of PBLS now, because if you are long PBLS, it makes no sense for you to seek out Brenda and post partial info that may shed a negative light on PBLS..."
which is extremely funny because it was PBLS that totally made the pr sound much better than it actually was
However when I called him about it many other things were said that aren't worth mentioning because anything on the phone doesn't exsist as far as the law is concerned.
...anyway I'm not posting any more emails at this point...and yes there are plenty more. I'm out for the night
I don't think there is anything worth
undeleting... I was more making a point about Mulshine asking me to take action with regards to posts on the board. It's been over analyzed to death at this point! sorry to stir the hive as one poster noticed.
Edit--Shiz,
I don't know about you but looking back on it I find it odd that an IR firm would say:
"Please put in your own words, but a clarification posted could be helpful."
to someone on the boards? Why couldn't he just post the clarification? Why contact me to ask me to do it?
Very little substance
unless it is considered in light of the situation. I never made the claim that Mulshine broke the law with an email to me did I? I also volunteered up the emails myself did I not?
Anyway I'm not going to argue with you...It's kinda like arguing with myself from 2 years ago.
I don't think that will be the case.
Bold but not Stupid
I know! lol
I was pizzed off about that...I think PNEW got banned for a couple of days over that.
I have no idea what the
actually legality of any of those emails are. Probably not much would be my guess...it will likely just be one small grain of evidence in a large pile of gravel.
No doubt about that cowboy.
BTW:
The title of that email is:
PBLS - Convert now! Dividends for March will come in April!
Here's another.
I actually agreed with Mike on this...but I was clearly asked to delete a post:
XXX, XXX,
Someone posted this counterfeit News Release on iHub. I believe this kind of thing is totally illegal... PLEASE have it REMOVED !
Mike Mulshine
green, I don't think so,
but it was awhile ago. I can give the dates of the emails if the mods want to go back and check the deleted post logs from that period?
How about another one?
XXXX,
I've seen some speculation on iHub regarding Cherokee Environmental
Construction. Perhaps you might let "Renevatio" on Post # 34230 know
that he is right. Cherokee Environmental is a part of the Cherokee
Investment Partners organization he identifiled in his post. Phoenix is
clearly proud to be working with such a fine organization.
http://www.cherokeefund.com/pdfs/2005SustReportWeb.pdf
Mike
Greenmoster here is one such email:
XXXX,
I saw a comment on the BB that suggested you might have to wait until June for a first dividend check. This is wrong! If anyone gets their Shares into PBLS early, like prior to March 1, 2007, I understand they will receive a dividend check for the last month of Q1 in April, so the first check will be paid for just the days of Q1 that conversion was covered, then they will get full quarterly dividends for future quarters, paid within 30 days of the end of each quarter.
Please put in your own words, but a clarification posted could be helpful.
Mike
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I'll keep looking...I have a few actually.
Nope,
You shouldn't trust anyone when it comes to this stock...especially the company. I'm not going to spell out every lie for you but you could ask yourself how that dividend is coming along, or were the pit cam is...or why the OS was not 815M shares as promised, or how close PBLS is to doing a billion dollars on the oil side of the business, or were the AF's are, etc, etc, etc.
If there is one thing I learned from being invested in this stock for 2 years is that the people that look trust worthy initially often turn out to be sinister and often times the "bashers" and irritating people turn out to be far smarter than I.
I can assure you that many of us have had very deep connections to this company. I've spoken with Ron more times than I care to admit, when I was moderator of the board Mike Mulshine would actually call me to delete posts...THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MY FIRST CLUE.
Basically what I'm telling you is to not trust me, or anyone else. Do your own DD...and for the love of God realize that calling the company alone does not warrant DD. If I had realized that last sentence I would have made 150K instead of loosing 50K on this stock.
Oh
Actually I own a million
and I have no clue who Wayne is....but he is very much right.
Why?
When is the last time a shareholder got the truth from either of them?
BTW. I heard the same rumor about Best Jets. If you want the truth on this company then I suggest you QUIT calling the company and start asking the hard questions as Wayne suggested.
If Paul and Ron don't go to jail the PBLS might emerge as a company, but with 2.5B shares combined with the pref III shares how much do you think it will actually be worth?
It's amazing how much clearer the glasses are once you sell shares. I was blind as a bat on this stock for a long time.
well I can certainly say
that I learned more about penny trading on that one stock than all other trades combined. I was one of the people that didn't like mthead... At the time I had my rose colored glasses on and didn't want to hear all the negative aspects of the company. I can honestly say that I didn't delete very many posts while I was a mod...I actually undeleted several the Shiz and FMI were deleting...until they got me booted.
Anyway it was a tough lesson, but some time the hard lessons are the ones we learn the most from. Luckily I didn't loose so much that I couldn't live to trade another day...I know some that last 280K on that stock...not to mention 3 years of their lives.
And definetly
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd like to add a word a few words to your list
syndicate
Phoenix
PBLS
Certs
Buy, Buy, Buy
Mulshine
etc,
blah blah blah...lol
Personally,
I think we'd be better off if he said nothing. As soon as a company starts publicly challnging scam artists it's usually down hill. Just run the company and do the things that need to be done and the pps will take care of itself...
I say 6 cents.
Shoulda held off on the original buy this am...I have another order in for 6 cents.
Probably forcing
a minimum cover of .069. It looks like everytime VRDM get's close to an inside bid NITE and gang raise it up a bit. I think everyone is just waiting for the covering to start....what I don't understand is why don't they just go ahead and run it...force the price to a dime and watch VRDM scramble to cover their shares?
Wow
"Once the sp breaks thru .035 it will be above .035 until it breaks back below it."
That's some amazing insight! j/k :)
I tried, but no luck,
Perhaps we will get another chance before going north again?
Good advice.
It could take even longer than that for the margin call to be acted upon tho.
So how do you see this
imbalance playing out? What kind of time frame are you looking at? I bought a few around .08 this am for a quick flip. Just starting to look into the story a little bit right now.
PSPJ
I'm in for a little on this one. Should bounce to 20 cents or so would be my guess.
I'm thinking ANRC is looking
very attractive at the current price.
greenmonster,
I'm pretty sure we are talking to the same people at this time. I have agreed to provide what-ever help I can. Honestly I just hope the legal system moves fast enough. If not I'm afraid they will leave the country and then no justice what-so-ever will be paid.
I've always said I can stomach loosing money on a bad investment decision. It's being scammed...out right lied to that gets me.
Interesting story I heard from an ex-employee of the company. The guy walked into a part store to buy a replacement part for a piece of equipment. He said the guy behind the counter was very friendly and they were yucking it up. However when this now ex-employee went to pay for the part with a PBLS credit card the person behind the counter told him to leave and refused to sell him the part. That's just a tiny taste of what I've heard.
I honestly hope the friends I have that remain in this stock get some miracle run so they can get out with a lessor loss. The clock is ticking and lawsuits are building. Letters are going to the SEC and it's only a matter of time for the clock strikes midnight. I simply can't believe that I was such a pumper for a scam of this magnitude. For Christ sake Mike Mulshine used to call me and send me emails about "posts" on the board that were wrong and I needed to delete them. I was used in this scam just as Shiz, FMI, mastercraft, chillar, Asus, and many many others were. They lied to everyone of us...and by doing that they convinced us to go out and pump this stock and talk about how great it was to be helping to rebuild New Orleanse, and how we were all gonna be millioniars playing golf in vegas...sick. It's just sickening that this kind of scam can occur for this long.
greenmonster
like I said the final resting point of the pps will be .0001. I don't know how long it will take but I'd guess 6mo - 1yr max. Much much sooner if the SEC brings about a halt to trading.
As you said many more lawsuits are being filed as we speak. The information is out there for the people that want to hear it. At this point ANYONE that calls the company to find out what's going on might as well be donate their money to a good cause.
PBLS will owe millions in payments for services. How will they pay dividends? Oh I'm sure the pref III will get a check, but what about the pref II?
My real question is how long before Paul and Ron leave the country? As I understand it this will be strike 3 for one of the parties involved and that ain't gonna be pretty.
Thanks...not sure what went wrong.
Edit AENP Weekly charts
I will by this if it hits 25 cents. This has been a pretty good trading stock for anyone buynig in Nov-Dec the last 3 years.
Chart not displaying...take a look at the 3 year weekly.