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Yeah, but that 01 break is fake in my eyes. When they open us that way (18.6% lower than we closed yesterday) it's a clear sign to me that some games are being played to cover... There's no way that .0083 was the highest ask/bid at the open. I don't think it mattered if somebody would've had a buy order in at .01, they still would've sold them for .0083 to drop the ask, then immediately stack under .01 to hold it..... Just more OTC games....
We need something to bring that retail buying volume back and we'll be all good, but for now I think you're correct with .01 as resistance. They'll keep stacking at .01 and lower until we have some volume to combat it..... Could be a rough day here.... Figures. I finally bit the bullet and take small position, only for more OTC games.... However, if they take it low enough, I don't think I'll be able to stop myself from avg down and adding, but we shall see....
I get the feeling there is still quite a bit of covering that needs to take place, so we'll see a strong attempt to keep this under .01 all day (but that's just me). I love how they opened us almost 19% lower than we closed yesterday..... Closed at .0102 yesterday, then they open us at .0083 today? C'mon..... Tells us you're desperate to cover without telling us you're desperate to cover!
Gotta love the OTC games that never seem to end, regardless of ticker.....
The biggest challenge I see with this or any other ticker that makes the kind of move/run shown below, is that ASCM and others short it into oblivion on the way up (range circled in white), so if/when the buying slows up, they spend all day every day trying to control the bid and ask to drive it back to a pps where they can cover and make a mint in the process. When volume is low, it's very easy for their algos to accomplish. We need the stock to consolidate, but at the same time that consolidation period also helps the crooks like ASCM achieve their goal.
Anyway, we just need the buying/volume to pick back up before they push us too far back down; and I'm personally betting that we'll eventually see it. Hopefully sooner vs later....
Hey ST - I didn't know you were here too.... Good to see you here and hope all is good! I agree with you too, as I'm hoping this one takes us on another fun run. Although I don't own anywhere near the qty I did in that other one, I can still make out pretty good here if/when this goes.....
Have a great day!
Possibly. However, If any big news or PR is dropped or we see "Volume before price" type of buying to fend off ASCM's shorting/covering, this could go for a nice run.
Sure, of course I wish I could've got in as cheap as possible, but like I've said, I only took a small position and I'm still happy with my pps cost. I think I'll be fine. I don't like averaging down, but when the pps is down here, I'll do it if it comes to that. Although I don't believe it will. I think we just need to let it finish consolidating and then we'll start moving back up.... All Good Here....
Although I still think I got in at decent pps yesterday, I kinda had a feeling that I jumped the gun. I think this still needs to consolidate a bit more and obviously ASCM still has shares they need to cover, so had I waited until today, I could've got more for cheaper. Oh well.... I was worried that if I didn't get in when I did yesterday morning, with my luck it would've taken off... Oh well.... Let it consolidate and then we'll see what happens. Although I will say that nothing would make me happier than seeing something BIG drop that squeezes ASCM.... As we can see, each time we start moving up, they are quick to drop that ask and setup up shop on bid, which tells me they're still shorting/covering..... I'd love nothing more than to see them get demolished.
Back at ya Doc. I don't own anywhere near what I did in that other stock, but if this one takes off I'll re-assess whether to build that other one back up. That other one just really worries me. I believe they have ultra-valuable tech/IP, but I have trouble seeing any of the true value realized under the current ticker (I think Charles will separate it at all costs one way or another, and that worries me). However, we shall see about that one...
With this one, I just bought in today and only have small position, so I need to spend some time over the next few days digging in to some dd to quickly determine whether or not to take a larger position. Based on this chart, I think we could have big spike/run coming, but I just don't know enough about this one yet to fully commit... However, hopefully I will over next few days.... But this chart and the way this ones been trading reminds of our fun run on that other one back in 21....
Time will tell...
LOL... It's all good, but thank you.... I actually can't see her posts. I only came across it through another reply....
With that said, I genuinely do my best to live my life by the Universal Rule of "you receive what you give" and/or "what goes around comes around," and I have no doubt that Karma will pay her a visit at some point.
Thanks buddy..... I'm hoping this is one, but truthfully I have not my usual dd on this yet, which is why I only took a small position. I figured it was worth the risk for the small position I took and would allow me some time to dig deeper before going bigger.....
With regard to the noise, I have 99% of it blocked out. I only came across Whales post through somebody else response...
But.... I agree with you..... "Lets rock here too…..IGPK in 2024!"
I am not afraid to say that I stand corrected on that one. I must say, that was a lesson well learned. All I had to do was literally click sell and I would've been set for life. I let greed get the best of me because I was living in IL at the time and I only had something like 40-50 days and my shares went from short to long term capital gains tax, so I held. Life Long Lesson and will never make that mistake again....
Yeah, but if we approach or as we approach .0109 they'll reappear. The pps is back down now with plenty of padding between current and .0109, so they're gone unless we start moving back up...Been doing it all day.
Hope I'm wrong, but I don't believe VIRT will allow this close over .0109 today. However, stranger things have happened, so you never know. Maybe we'll see "one of those days" where volume & buying skyrocket out of nowhere in the last 15-20 minutes? I'd love to see that!
ASCM yes. But if you watch, VIRT will not absorb shares on bid. Once the bids above them are whacked/knocked out, they'll disappear the same as they do on the ask, then reappear shortly after and move under the next lowest bid. Wash+Rinse+Repeat.
Here's a great example of what I was talking about with VIRT and their algo.
They stack under the ask as shown in 1st snippet below:
Then, if the the asks above them get hit they immediately disappear from the ask (because they don't actually want to sell any shares) as shown in 2nd snippet below.
Once buying slows or enough MM's stack above them, they immediately reappear to help stack, but ensure they have enough MM's/padding above, so they don't get hit. Shown in 3rd snippet below. Same algo every time and regardless of whay anyone says, what they are doing is NOT "making a market." It's an attempt to control the ask.
I believe that Mutat! However, like I said earlier, I missed the run to copper, so I'm late. But usually after runs like that, we'll see consolidation for a little while before the next pop (unless we're surprised with big news first), which is where I believe we're at now. Either way, I only took a small position, but I still think I'll make out good on it.... Time will tell...
Thanks DM56!
LOL... I never said that I wasn't familiar with yield signs. Just that I either somehow missed seeing it on here or I had checked OTCM prior it being up, so when I checked OTCM today and saw it, I was curious.... No big deal though... Like I said, I only took a small position, and I'm not that worried about it.
I hope you're right. Although I think we need to consolidate a bit more first. Also, we'll need some significant buying to come through for us to get past VIRT's algo which appears to be doing it's best to keep us under .011. That's why I asked in previous post if we're expecting any big news/PR anytime soon.
Need a little more wind in our sail to drive the buying.... Also, I've literally only been here for about an hour, so I'm no expert, but I do believe if we can break .019-.02, we're off to the races with another BIG run... I don't know where it will stop, but I do think it will be big.... Just need to finish consolidating first and/or get some kind of positive PR/news.....
LOL... And now it truly is identical. They're back with their tagteam buddy "OTCN." IDENTICAL to that other ticker. They just have their algo's set to match the lowest ask, so each time somebody else drops the ask, VIRT+OTCN drop their ask simultaneously to match it....
That's what pisses me off so much about that tagteam. It may be a lot of things, but "Making a Market" is not one of them. They literally just use their algos to pop in/out without buying or selling, and only to control the ask.... Oh well... I still think we're consolidating and potentially have another run ahead...
Thx 29. Back at ya. I wish I jumped in earlier, but got sidetracked/busy with some other stuff. Truthfully, I don't know much about this one, but saw several talking about it, so I took a look. I like the chart and I personally think we're consolidating right now, as well as still have a nice run in front of us, but I guess we'll see what happens... I just hate seeing VIRT on L2. I've been watching since last week and they appear to be running same algo they used on that other ticker we're on. Each time this goes up, they appear to control the ask, and if the ask above them gets knocked out, they immediately disappear, wait for buying to stop, then reappear and drop ask. If it drops, they disappear until it starts going back up. However, they never actually buy or sell. Just pop in and out... Identical to what they did to us on ENZ?
On a separate note, are we waiting for and/or expecting any BIG news/PR's here in the near future?
For example, if we start approaching .011, they'll immediately appear on ask, but won't sell. Just playing their usual game, and I'd love to see them gone....
ASK DROPS, SO VIRT DISAPPEARS FROM ASK
LOL... All good.... I've been watching this more since last Wednesday (when I finally bit the bullet and transferred funds to buy, but because of Monday holiday didn't clear until this morning), and the only thing that stood out to me which I didn't like is seeing VIRT + ASCM on L2. ASCM I expected because of the run up (notorious for showing up to short runs), but I'd like to see VIRT disappear for good.
I haven't been watching this for long, but for the time that I have, each time this has a good green day, the run potential seems to be stifled by VIRT popping in/out to control the ask (they've done the same on ENZ? for the past 2-3 years). However, we do appear to be consolidating, so I guess we'll see soon enough....
Also, looking at the chart, I get the felling that if this can break 02, we may see a bigtime run...... At least that's what I'm hoping for, since I'm a bit late to the party...
Ok thanks... I must've looked at this prior to that and/or missed it somehow.... It didn't stop me from taking a small position, but just curious...
Doc - I agree with you, but as I've mentioned several times, I don't believe it has anything to do with NDA's. I genuinely believe that Charles does not want to disclose anything big while BGEN remains under ENZC. Once he is officially able to separate BGEN (holds the value that Charles & Chandra led us all to believe would be realized under ENZC), I believe we'll learn more. However, after the 180-bait/switch that Charles pulled with that first SAGA PR, I don't think he see's ENZC as anything more than a dumping ground for conversions and a buffer for lawsuits.
It literally sickens me to the core to think about this, but given everything we've seen unfold, coupled with the ongoing muzzle-silence and depreciation of our investments, I just can't see it any other way right now. There are no words to accurately depict how badly I hope/pray that I'm wrong, but unfortunately I just don't believe I am... Time will tell...
Here's to hoping/praying that this becomes more than a lottery ticket scratch-off.....
Have a great weekend!
That's great Wick, but I think this is where we may disagree. While I would love to see partnerships, I do not want to see anything even close to something resembling that SAGA deal. I don't want to see everything that I held for and passed up 7+ figures for, separated from ENZC. I would like to see Charles & Chandra follow through on what they were feeding us for years prior to SAGA, and that certainly never involved separating C3, AI platform, etc... from ENZC.
However, if you're suggesting that you believe we'll have 10-20 suitors for partnering with us (true sense of partner, not selling or separating BGEN from ENZC), then I would hope/pray you're correct.
archilles I wish that were true, but we were told and led to believe these things were coming to ENZC for years prior to the SAGA deal/first SAGA PR. In fact, the first time that we learned C3, AI platform, and other mABS would not come to light (true value realized) under ENZC as we were led to believe for years, was that first SAGA PR. For 2+ years prior to that PR, we were all waiting to see the audit, SEC Reporting, out of pinks, & partnerships/licensing deals because that's what they led us to believe they were bringing to us under the ENZC umbrella.
Agreed. Although the main problem that I see is this (this is my opinion based on actions and words of CC).
I don't believe Charles wants the value of ENZC to move up, and I personally believe it is related to the lawsuits. Until that very first SAGA PR, Charles and Chandra had been leading us to believe the following:
ENZC would be audited
ENZC would go SEC Reporting
ENZC would move out of pinks
ENZC would start dropping partnerships and licensing deals
Then we got the first SAGA PR, which basically pulled a 180 bait/switch. BGEN holds the value we've all been holding for (C3, AI, and other mABS), so unless BGEN remains under ENZC (I don't believe it will. I believe Charles will separate it the second he can), I just don't see what PR can be dropped for ENZC that will provide the type of return that we were all led to believe was coming.
We're roughly 1.5 months into 2024 and trading in the .01's.
Nothing but silence on ENZC front. Maybe Charles will drop another fluff piece at some point or Chandra will tweet some bs, but unfortunately I don't believe it will go beyond that. I hope/pray that it does, but I think the odds are stacked against us and Charles is just waiting until he can officially separate BGEN.
Guess we'll see at some point.
Well, it appears I could've been correct about this last week. VIRT has re-joined the party, which over the past 3 years they've done every time the ceiling is dropped. I'm guessing that we'll see them executing their magic act (appear + disappear from ask all day without actually selling to ensure the ask remains below a specific pps) all day. When buying comes in, VIRT disappears, then when it's done, they pop back in to drop the ask back. The pattern literally never changes here.
Just another day in the life of an ENZC common....
Hate to say it Doc, but I'm pretty sure that's where we're heading. Stacked under .015 now. The second I saw Monday's open I knew that we'd close out the week with a new artificial ceiling (.015), and the 3-year pattern shows that they've been dropping it in increments of .005, unfortunately making .01 next. Looks like we're about to see another cliff-drop close too (likely a bunch of bidwhacks to take out the 1.6 bid, leaving nothing to help hold us up).
Hard to believe, but I genuinely don't think Charles will do, say, share, file, etc... anything that will drive this up. I still think that he's going to whatever he possibly can to separate the value (BGEN) from ENZC that we've all been holding for. We were led to believe that value was going to give us the following, only have a 180 bait/switch pulled.
Audited > SEC Reporting > Out of Pinks > Partnerships & Licensing deals
It truly is unbelievable (sickening) that we're 3+ years into this and trading in the 0.013's. We just keep going down. Nothing has changed in 3+ years. Same pattern over and over and over and over and etc.... again. Never ends.
Also, gotta love Monday's pre-market fakedown open (shown below) which cleared the way to ensure the RSI stays above oversold as we continue going down. As I mentioned Monday, I'm pretty sure that .015 is now the new ceiling, which means (and I can't believe I'm saying this) that .01 is next, which would take us back to sub-penny.
0.013's! Unbelievable!
You and me both jng33. I did the same feel horrible about it. Most of the family/friends that I encouraged, bought in at a much higher pps; so the odds of them making the amount of $ on this that we were all originally led to believe, are stacked against them.
Like I've been saying, this has become the equivalent of a scratch-off, but I'm still hoping/praying for the best.....
Honestly I can't remember, but based on everything we've seen and now know, it sure does appear that the entire time we were being fed the following, Charles had every intention of separating them from ENZC
#AUDIT, #UPLIST, etc...
Being told that Audit was of the utmost importance, so they could go SEC Reporting, get out pinks, move to partnerships and licensing deals. The part Charles left out was that he was planning on separating the value that we were all holding to see realized under ENZC.
Oh well. Like I said, at this point, to me ENZC is the equivalent of a scratch-off. Hoping/Praying for that original plan we were fed to come back into play...
I pray that it's abandoned and Charles goes back to what we were told for 2+ years.
1. ENZC Audited
2. ENZC goes SEC Reporting
3. ENZC out of Pinks
4. Partnerships (With ENZC or subs, while they're under ENZC) & Licensing Deals
5. At some point would love to hear about C3, testing results, etc...
Anyway, I genuinely and sincerely hope & pray that we move forward as ENZC, and BGEN & VIRO (mainly BGEN) move forward under the ENZC umbrella.
Yes I agree that some details/clarification are due (overdue).
Your guess is as good as mine SA. Although I've seen it often here on ENZC. I'm not saying that it's anything for sure, but I always find those trades strange, especially so many of them.
Actually, now that I think about it, I'm wondering if today just dropped our ceiling from .02 to .015? Guess we'll see, but definitely not a great way to start off the week or year. We'll likely see some fluff PR or BS Chandra tweets over the next few days, or maybe both. To say that this has become disappointing would be an incredible understatement.
Let's see what tomorrow brings. I'm pretty confident that it will definitely bring more silence from Charles as it pertains to anything non-fluff, but other than that, I'll have to wait and see.....
Forgot to throw this in. Again, this is part of why I coined "Groundhog Day" years ago. Same pattern. Today is great example. Every time they open us with a pre-market-fakedown (drop opening ask under prior close to ensure it opens lower without impacting RSI too much), we're held under that opening pps all day. Same thing every time and today was no different. Very easy to see here....
In other words, that how we drop 15%, but the RSI only drops 6.6 points, but then we'll have +3%-5% day, and RSI jumps 15-20 points. Gotta love it!