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Well, I guess I would have lost my bet. I really thought if the tanker was on site by late May, we would hear something in the way of a PR within 2-3 weeks. Basically, just arrival of tanker or startup of production. Who knows, maybe they are waiting for full production of 2500+BOPD to announce or even their next lift. Geez, personally I think these guys need to go back to business 101 for running a public company. They must have played hooky during the class on keeping shareholders informed about material events affecting the company. Time will tell.
Funny you should comment on the 1000 at .21 (mine) and immediately followed by 100ss at 19.5? to show no movement. Just MM games.
Well? Any thoughts? If production started late May as suggested, we should be back at 2000+BOPD within 1-2 weeks. Surely it won't take longer this time than it did originally (Jan-Feb 2001) to get 6-7 wells back on line.
Assuming production was being restarted towards the end of May, I am guessing we are now within that two week window for a PR. (JMHO or guess) Thanks to the information that Denval and a few others have provided, I would hope that Fortune has finally got their act together. That would mean steady production for more than 3-4 months at a time.
May Good Fortunes Smile Upon You All!
Chris
100% certainty huh. Buying a few extra shares before the beans are spilled on our new tanker and production. Can't blame you. Averaging down/buying a few trading shares (short term) myself.
Volume 122K+ with average size 12.2K. Looking more interesting every day. Buys or sells I can't tell but a little volume and hopefully renewed interest in this stock can't hurt.
Little bit of volume today 55K+. If production has restarted, I would expect a steady increase in average daily volume for the next two weeks (my guess) or until our next PR. IMHO Time will tell.
Yep! My thoughts exactly. A few weeks and the start of a beautiful summer. Don't ya just love that black gold, texas tea flowing into our tanker. Time to eat that pizza and Bigskank to eat her words.
Nah! Just hoping they can start and maintain production this time. Then maybe Fortune can start a steady climb back to a few bucks a ss. As long as they stay in the "BLACK" both in profits and production of that black gold.
Thanks, one of my favorite tunes also. Lets hope that song plays over and over and over again.
Silly me, I rode this one all the way up to $4.70 and back down to .18. All along thinking management would restart production much quicker (both times -- CSI?? and now the tanker fiasco). Almost 3 years later (August) and now that I have 4 times the number of my original shares averaged in at .60+, I am ready for some steady production, revenue and appreciation in our shares.
Let's kick the tires and light the fires Big Daddy! I feel the need for that liquid gold!
Not much volume today again. All I see so far is the 2500 trading shares I picked up this morning. I was really expecting volume to pick up this week as we draw near to production restarting and another PR. Oh well time will tell.
Startup may well be by Victoria Day but I don't really expect a PR for 1-2 weeks after production begins.(i.e. early June) Just my guess.
All I can say is "Where's the beef? - I mean oil"
Anybody notice that the web site has been down about 2 days? Waiting for update or just my internet access on the blink??
Everything APPEARS to be coming together. Personally, I believe Nunn will get Fortune's act together soon and hopefully steady production for more than 3-4 months at a time. Time will tell.
Agree 100% Dennis! I am personally expecting an actual PR (remember those things - its been so long) within 30 days of the tanker arriving in Camar. If your info is anywhere near correct, I am guessing soon is the operative word. Also, I am pleased that it only took 30-45 days max to convert the new tanker for moorage at Camar (assuming they acquired/chartered it around the first of March).
Maybe I am too optimistic but you can only hope after all this time.
Looks almost like a stalemate in Fortune - no volume. Longs are already loaded up and unwilling to sell at these prices and no new investors willing to take the plunge until the company releases something substantial. Comment made on RB about warrants. Didn't consider it before but the outstanding shares will obviously go down if the share price stays under $1.25 through June. 17.4mil with warrants and 14.64mil (approximately)if they expire worthless. Of course, we have no clue how they paid for or chartered the new tanker (private placement???).
Warrants from May 2000 - 583,333 x 2 at strike $1.05 = 1,166,666
Warrants from June 2000 - 1,6000,000 at strike $1.25 = 1,600,000
Total: 2,766,666
Chris
Denval, thanks for the info - I like your status even better than maniacs. Been a long 6 months without an update from management. Hoping for the best but prepared for almost anything after the last 2+ years in this stock. Looking more towards tech stocks right now. (except for one other oil stock - HHLF)
Getting production at Camar going will finally give management the time and money to explore other opportunities. Should be fun to watch. First and foremost though, they must START AND MAINTAIN production for more than 3 months at a time.
Retro, your post just highlights again the potential of Tuban and its strategic location when/if management gets its act together. Major deals for gas sales to Singapore/Malaysia being made by our neighbors (Gulf Indonesia - Conoco, etc.)
Aaaahhhhhh!!! A breath of fresh air without BigMo stinking it up.
Still waiting for that pizza delivery truck?
Also, previously the board of choice to get away from the rift raft was stockhouse. Investorshub appears to be nicer every time I visit.
Chris
Interesting volume and strength of late. Appears that lots of new investors (some p & d players) and many old longs are loading up. September could finally prove to be an interesting month. Come on Nunn, spill the beans.
Are we opening this thread back up?? News is in fact due SOON!!! Hopefully, more than just the recent lift but atleast that will show they are back on track and producing 24/7.
Thanks, nice chart. Will be watching closely as full production numbers are released, hopefully this week.
** UPDATED DD INSIDE **
For newbies, all I can say is do your DD and make your decision quickly! FOGC has commenced oil production from 4 wells at 2200+BOPD with 4 more wells to be brought online within a week. Great oil play with production costs below $5.16 per barrel and only 17.3mil ss outstanding (including all warrants). See recent PR below.
Press Release
Fortune Oil & Gas, Inc. Announces Production Results
VANCOUVER, B.C.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 23, 2001--Fortune Oil & Gas Inc. (OTCBB:FOGC - news) is pleased to announce that oil production at its Camar Field has commenced.
As announced in the Company's News Release of Jan. 17, 2001, production start-up commenced on Jan. 16, 2001. During the past seven days of partial production the Company has produced 15,504 barrels of crude oil.
As of Jan. 22, 2001, the Company has reopened four of the existing wells located at the Camar Field. Four additional wells were expected to be reopened during the first week of production activity, however due to the inclement weather conditions and therefore safety concerns related to moving heavy equipment and personnel to the WPP platform, Fortune Management decided to delay the reopening of the remaining wells until a more suitable time. Subject to favorable weather conditions, the Company fully expects to reopen the remaining wells during the next seven days.
David Nunn, president of Fortune expressed, ``great delight at the early production results and fully expects the Camar Field to easily meet the production targets that Fortune Management expected for Field production once all wells are operating and producing.''
No major difficulties or non-weather related delays were encountered during start-up of the operations and during the first week of production. Nunn stated, ``This is primarily due to the diligent and carefully prepared start-up procedures established by the Company during the pre-production period.'' He went on to say, ``Management decided early in the planning stages that a full maintenance, inspection and upgrade program would be completed during the pre-production period, enabling the Company to substantially reduce the risk of possible equipment maintenance delays during production. This would dramatically increase the possibility of uninterrupted production.''
The Company will continue with its production efforts and announce production results on a regular and timely basis.
Please refer to our web site: http://www.fortuneoilandgas.com for updated pictures and information.
Fortune Oil & Gas, Inc. 305 - 1656 Martin Drive, White Rock, B.C. V4A 6E7
Safe Harbour Act Notice: This press release may contain ``Forward-Looking Statements'' within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act and Section 21E of the Exchange Act. All statements other than statements of historical fact included in this release may constitute ``forward-looking statements''. Although the Company believes that the expectations reflected in such ``forward-looking statements'' are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Actual results may differ materially from the Company's expectations due to changes in operating performance, project schedules, oil and gas demands and prices, and other technical, political and economic factors.
This press release is not intended to be and is not an advertisement for any securities of the company.
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Contact:
Fortune Oil & Gas, Inc.
Tony Shinkawa, 604/531-0385
Fax 604/531-0387
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010123/fortune_oi.html
See co. web site for further DD:
http://www.fortuneoilandgas.com/
Great place for bid/ask quotes on FOGC and pinks:
http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/quote.jsp?symbol=fogc
Raging Bull message board, best info/discussion on FOGC:
http://www.ragingbull.altavista.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=FOGC
Join the email support group for FOGC administered by Johnny Angel, an internet PR/laision
http://www.egroups.com/group/FOGC
Link to photos of oil rigs taken by FOGC management:
http://fortuneoilandgas.com/photos.html
PR's on Purchasing Camar Field and Financing:
http://www.fortuneoilandgas.com/press.html
Explanation of Bawean Oil Fields:
http://www.fortuneoilandgas.com/bawean.html
Sedar web site, Type "Carmanah Resources" to see filings by previous owner of oil fields: (Especially Annual Info Forms to Read About Wells and Production History)
http://www.sedar.com/
Popular FOGC board at InvestorsHub. Like RB board but no bashers and easy going:
http://investorshub.com/willywizard
Popular DD Site with Easy To Access Detailed History by WhoopyDee & FOGC Longs:
http://web.one.net.au/~dingle/
Popular Chat and Info on FOGC at Yahoo:
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/adaytradersdream
Great Write Up in Oil and Gas Journal: (Independant Review)
http://ogj.pennnet.com/Content/cd_anchor_article/1,1052,OGJ_7_NEWS_SUB_73270_1,00.html
Link to Mike King show "Not for Widows and Orphans" live.
http://www.princetoninv.com/index1.html
(Featured FOGC/CEO David Nunn on occasion)
Bloomberg.com: Another Great Independant Review on property purchase
http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?s=AOUhK6BUGRm9ydHVu&T=marketsquote99_news.ht
Raging bull, longs board (No Bashers)
http://www.ragingbull.com/mboard/viewclub.cgi?board=CLB00238
Current technicals/charting:
http://quotes.barchart.com/texpert.asp?sym=fogc
The following link is from the Energy Information Administration:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/fore_keywords.html#petgas
The following extract from a World Bank report on the Indonesian Camar field. Surely this is a
good authoritative independent source that should satisfy those expressing doubts about the
company. Extract from report and indonesia link as follows.
http://www.seen.org/wbreport1/extraction.en.html
Brief summary of link: Reserves/Production;
Southern Sumatra's Corridor Block holds reserves of 1.5 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
Southern Sumatra's Camar field holds an estimated 70 billion cubic feet of gas. The Natuna
natural gas field in the South China Sea holds over 200 trillion cubic feet of natural gas (46 tcf
commercially recoverable) and will eventually feed into the national pipeline system. Thus, at least
47.57 trillion cubic feet may feed into the Bank-financed pipeline system.
Another good place to look for Energy DD:
http://www.energyconnect.com/assoc.htm
**My Reasoning to Buy FOGC Now!!**
1. Minimal debt acquired in the acquisition (only 5% gross royalty for existing wells and 2.5% for new wells to Carmanah). Still waiting for the S-1 filing for actual details.
2. 11% to Pertamania leaves FOGC 84% of gross revenue until over $160mil in prior expenses recovered.
3. IMHO Production at Camar may exceed 4000 BOPD once all 8 wells are online and before any rework/multilateral drilling. Also, several additional wells are drilled but not completed.
Oil at $28 = $28x30daysx4000BOPD= $3,360,000 gross
3,360,000x.84= $2,822,400 gross to FOGC monthly
Previous conversations with management (not in PR's) estimated (roughly) monthly expenses/costs at 400K.
(2,822,400-400,000)=2,422,400x12mo=$29,068,800 yearly
Say $1mil for admin and $1mil in payments for tanker (guessing??) leaves $27,068,800 net income or
27,068,800/17,300,000 (all warrants incl.)= $1.56 per ss
5000 BOPD would add about (1000x28x30x12)x.84= $10,080,000
or an additional .58 a ss or total of $2.14 annually.
Use your own pe ratio and make your own decision. Just remember, that doesn't even include possible multilateral drilling for increased production, new wells on PROVEN property(some already drilled), or gas sales/joint ventures. :~))
PROUD MEMBER FORTUNE LONGS INVESTMENT GROUP
**My Personal Reasoning to Buy FOGC!!**
1. Minimal debt acquired in the acquisition (only 5% gross royalty for existing wells and 2.5% for new wells to Carmanah). Still waiting for the S-1 filing for actual details.
2. 11% to Pertamania leaves FOGC 84% of gross revenue until over $160mil in prior expenses recovered.
3. IMHO Production at Camar may exceed 4000 BOPD once all 8 wells are online and before any rework/multilateral drilling. Also, several additional wells are drilled but not completed.
Oil at $28 = $28x30daysx4000BOPD= $3,360,000 gross
3,360,000x.84= $2,822,400 gross to FOGC monthly
Previous conversations with management (not in PR's) estimated (roughly) monthly expenses/costs at 400K.
(2,822,400-400,000)=2,422,400x12mo=$29,068,800 yearly
Say $1mil for admin and $1mil in payments for tanker (guessing??) leaves $27,068,800 net income or
27,068,800/17,300,000 (all warrants incl.)= $1.56 per ss
5000 BOPD would add about (1000x28x30x12)x.84= $10,080,000
or an additional .58 a ss or total of $2.14 annually.
Use your own pe ratio and make your own decision. Just remember, that doesn't even include possible multilateral drilling for increased production, new wells on PROVEN property (some already drilled), or gas sales/joint ventures. :~))
** UPDATED DD ON FOGC **
All I can say is do your DD and make your decision quickly! FOGC has commenced oil production from 4 wells at 2200+BOPD with 4 more wells to be brought online within a week. Great oil play with production costs below $5.16 per barrel and only 17.3mil ss outstanding (including all warrants). See recent PR below.
Press Release
Fortune Oil & Gas, Inc. Announces Production Results
VANCOUVER, B.C.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 23, 2001--Fortune Oil & Gas Inc. (OTCBB:FOGC - news) is pleased to announce that oil production at its Camar Field has commenced.
As announced in the Company's News Release of Jan. 17, 2001, production start-up commenced on Jan. 16, 2001. During the past seven days of partial production the Company has produced 15,504 barrels of crude oil.
As of Jan. 22, 2001, the Company has reopened four of the existing wells located at the Camar Field. Four additional wells were expected to be reopened during the first week of production activity, however due to the inclement weather conditions and therefore safety concerns related to moving heavy equipment and personnel to the WPP platform, Fortune Management decided to delay the reopening of the remaining wells until a more suitable time. Subject to favorable weather conditions, the Company fully expects to reopen the remaining wells during the next seven days.
David Nunn, president of Fortune expressed, ``great delight at the early production results and fully expects the Camar Field to easily meet the production targets that Fortune Management expected for Field production once all wells are operating and producing.''
No major difficulties or non-weather related delays were encountered during start-up of the operations and during the first week of production. Nunn stated, ``This is primarily due to the diligent and carefully prepared start-up procedures established by the Company during the pre-production period.'' He went on to say, ``Management decided early in the planning stages that a full maintenance, inspection and upgrade program would be completed during the pre-production period, enabling the Company to substantially reduce the risk of possible equipment maintenance delays during production. This would dramatically increase the possibility of uninterrupted production.''
The Company will continue with its production efforts and announce production results on a regular and timely basis.
Please refer to our web site: http://www.fortuneoilandgas.com for updated pictures and information.
Fortune Oil & Gas, Inc. 305 - 1656 Martin Drive, White Rock, B.C. V4A 6E7
Safe Harbour Act Notice: This press release may contain ``Forward-Looking Statements'' within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act and Section 21E of the Exchange Act. All statements other than statements of historical fact included in this release may constitute ``forward-looking statements''. Although the Company believes that the expectations reflected in such ``forward-looking statements'' are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Actual results may differ materially from the Company's expectations due to changes in operating performance, project schedules, oil and gas demands and prices, and other technical, political and economic factors.
This press release is not intended to be and is not an advertisement for any securities of the company.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Contact:
Fortune Oil & Gas, Inc.
Tony Shinkawa, 604/531-0385
Fax 604/531-0387
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010123/fortune_oi.html
See co. web site for further DD:
http://www.fortuneoilandgas.com/
Great place for bid/ask quotes on FOGC and pinks:
http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/quote.jsp?symbol=fogc
Raging Bull message board, best info/discussion on FOGC:
http://www.ragingbull.altavista.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=FOGC
Join the email support group for FOGC administered by Johnny Angel, an internet PR/laision
http://www.egroups.com/group/FOGC
Link to photos of oil rigs taken by FOGC management:
http://fortuneoilandgas.com/photos.html
PR's on Purchasing Camar Field and Financing:
http://www.fortuneoilandgas.com/press.html
Explanation of Bawean Oil Fields:
http://www.fortuneoilandgas.com/bawean.html
Sedar web site, Type "Carmanah Resources" to see filings by previous owner of oil fields: (Especially Annual Info Forms to Read About Wells and Production History)
http://www.sedar.com/
Popular FOGC board at InvestorsHub. Like RB board but no bashers and easy going:
http://investorshub.com/willywizard
Popular DD Site with Easy To Access Detailed History by WhoopyDee & FOGC Longs:
http://web.one.net.au/~dingle/
Popular Chat and Info on FOGC at Yahoo:
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/adaytradersdream
Great Write Up in Oil and Gas Journal: (Independant Review)
http://ogj.pennnet.com/Content/cd_anchor_article/1,1052,OGJ_7_NEWS_SUB_73270_1,00.html
Link to Mike King show "Not for Widows and Orphans" live.
http://www.princetoninv.com/index1.html
(Featured FOGC/CEO David Nunn on occasion)
Bloomberg.com: Another Great Independant Review on property purchase
http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?s=AOUhK6BUGRm9ydHVu&T=marketsquote99_news.ht
Raging bull, longs board (No Bashers)
http://www.ragingbull.com/mboard/viewclub.cgi?board=CLB00238
Current technicals/charting:
http://quotes.barchart.com/texpert.asp?sym=fogc
The following link is from the Energy Information Administration:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/fore_keywords.html#petgas
The following extract from a World Bank report on the Indonesian Camar field. Surely this is a
good authoritative independent source that should satisfy those expressing doubts about the
company. Extract from report and indonesia link as follows.
http://www.seen.org/wbreport1/extraction.en.html
Brief summary of link: Reserves/Production;
Southern Sumatra's Corridor Block holds reserves of 1.5 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
Southern Sumatra's Camar field holds an estimated 70 billion cubic feet of gas. The Natuna
natural gas field in the South China Sea holds over 200 trillion cubic feet of natural gas (46 tcf
commercially recoverable) and will eventually feed into the national pipeline system. Thus, at least
47.57 trillion cubic feet may feed into the Bank-financed pipeline system.
Another good place to look for Energy DD:
http://www.energyconnect.com/assoc.htm
ULTRA conservative estimate for next year assuming:
1. Oil falls back to $23 a barrel.
2. Only one well (NOT two) producing 2500BOPD.
3. No gas sales/joint venture.
4. Allow $3mil for FOGC admin.
5. No additional wells drilled.
2500BOPD x 30day x $23 Price per Barrel = 1.725 mil/month
FOGC NET = APPROX. $1.17 Million USD/month
(company provided estimates based on $23/barrel after costs to produce and Pertamania/Carmanah's cut)
$1.17mil monthly x 12 = $14.04mil annually
$14.04 - $3mil for admin = $11.03mil net profit
11.03mil / 17.3mil ss (after all warrants) = .63 per ss
Say 10-20 pe and we got a winner: $6-12 within a year.
Rough week but still her with my small position but LARGE percentage of my portfolio. Looking for a great Christmas and even happier new year.
***New Investors*** DD Inside
News on escrow is out/finalized! FOGC subsidary, Indo Pacific, now owns GFB Java and associated oil fields which it purchased from Carmanah Resources LTD. News coming for actual production any day and listings (off pinks) soon. Don't get caught looking -- do your DD now!
Conservative estimate of potential earnings for 2001:
The calculations are simple: (Based on FIRST of 2 wells producing estimated 25OO BOPD.)
2500BOPD x 30day x $23 Price per Barrel = 1.725 mil/month
FOGC NET = APPROX. $1.17 Million USD/month
(company provided estimates based on $23/barrel)
Oil at $30,add $441,000 to FOGC NET
($7 x 2500 x 30 = $525,000 x .84 FOGC cut = $441,000)
(.84 = 100%-11% to Pertamania & 5% to Carmanah/previous owner)
(1.17 + .441)= 1.611mil x 12= $19.332mil annual NET TO FOGC
Say 1 mil for FOGC administration (guess) and that leaves
$18.332mil/17.3mil ss outstanding(all warrants exercised)=$1.06 eps
Second well, add another $19.332mil/$1.11 eps to bottom line or $2.17 total eps
Say $2 eps for 2001, use your own pe ratio (23 industry standard??) and don't forget about potential gas sales next year as well.
Link to photos of oil rigs taken by FOGC management:
http://fortuneoilandgas.com/photos.html
See co. web site:
http://www.fortuneoilandgas.com/
PR's on Purchasing Camar Field and Financing:
http://www.fortuneoilandgas.com/press.html
Explanation of Bawean Oil Fields:
http://www.fortuneoilandgas.com/bawean.html
Sedar web site, Type "Carmanah Resources" to see filings by previous owner of oil fields: (Especially Annual Info Forms to Read About Wells and Production History)
http://www.sedar.com/
Popular DD Site with Easy To Access Detailed History by WhoopyDee & FOGC Longs:
http://web.one.net.au/~dingle/
Popular Chat and Info on FOGC at Raging Bull:
http://www.ragingbull.altavista.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=FOGC
Popular Chat and Info on FOGC at Yahoo:
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/adaytradersdream
Great Write Up in Oil and Gas Journal: (Independant Review)
http://ogj.pennnet.com/Content/cd_anchor_article/1,1052,OGJ_7_NEWS_SUB_73270_1,00.html
Bloomberg.com: Another Great Independant Review on property purchase
http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?s=AOUhK6BUGRm9ydHVu&T=marketsquote99_news.ht
Raging bull, longs board (No Bashers)
http://www.ragingbull.com/mboard/viewclub.cgi?board=CLB00238
The following link is from the Energy Information Administration:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/fore_keywords.html#petgas
The following extract from a World Bank report on the Indonesian Camar field. Surely this is a
good authoritative independent source that should satisfy those expressing doubts about the
company. Extract from report and indonesia link as follows.
http://www.seen.org/wbreport1/extraction.en.html
Brief summary of link: Reserves/Production;
Southern Sumatra's Corridor Block holds reserves of 1.5 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
Southern Sumatra's Camar field holds an estimated 70 billion cubic feet of gas. The Natuna
natural gas field in the South China Sea holds over 200 trillion cubic feet of natural gas (46 tcf
commercially recoverable) and will eventually feed into the national pipeline system. Thus, at least
47.57 trillion cubic feet may feed into the Bank-financed pipeline system.
Another good place to look for Energy DD:
http://www.energyconnect.com/assoc.htm
What's the word??? Update or actual production news this week??
Still haven't heard if repairs/modifications to tanker are complete. Can't pump oil without a place to store it. :~))
Well guys, is the tanker on the way or not?? I would imagine that no real flow testing or pumping will occur until the tanker arrives. No place to store the oil otherwise. Looking more like early next week for the big PR.
GREAT NEWS!!! If the tankers are in place (or soon), then we should be pumping oil and putting out that PR REAL SOON!
With the tanker in route, I would guess they are ready to pump oil, adjust choke size for best flow rates, calculate average flow rate and put out our long awaited production PR. :~))
Rumors/email from Nunn being posted on Raging Bull saying production soon. Also, it was posted that a permanent moored tanker to receive oil once production starts is in route. Maybe now maintenance is complete and we can pump oil. By next Friday us FOGC longs might have a big smile on our face. :~))
BB: Thanks for posting updates from Nunn/Jerry. This one's time is coming and SOON! I can almost smell that oil now. Black Gold Texas Tea! Looking for 5000+BOPD if both platforms are on line.
Thanks for sharing the email BB! Looks like our wait for production and relisting will be over SOON!!!