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We want to know who settled, for what amount and if the asset changed ownership, if so - what asset was gained on sale of the asset. And no we don’t want to be referred to an arbitration where all the parties involved have been completely suspicious in all actions taken thus far to cloud the waters and keep shareholders in the dark. An arbitration by the way where none of the parties can be held liable for misleading information such as the bogus $125 million number.
Cisco was ordered to put $1.9 billion for a tech that was much less influential than UOIPs… and somehow there are some here that believe the $125 million. Or push that idea for their own reasoning.
So it’s very simple. Unseal - why would you keep everything sealed if the amount is already in the publics hands? It’s clear there is nonsense going on. Otherwise why fight so hard to keep everyone in the dark.
Yeah they pounced on this delay as usual. Hopefully we do not have too many idiots falling for it. However, likely they will because most on the OTC are short-sighted people that are trading for grocery money.
It's amazing to see the dumpathon from a granted IPR for Samsung by the PTAB. Samsung and Google are clearly trying to push this HUGE problem off on each other. Their only defense is by delay in the PTAB. Claim 16 will be challenged again for prior art by Samsung and the likely outcome is another failure by Samsung. I understand a dip from delays. By the price dropping 30-50% in a day? Pretty mind boggling people are so short-sighted. Good luck getting back in at these prices after Nov. 4th.
Hilarious stuff. This is never ending
It would be wise of them to begin thinking about a plan of how to make shareholders feel they walked away from this as fair as possible given the circumstances. And if they continue to try and hide the truth, it could mean hard time. This is all assuming the new Judge continues on the path he has already started and acts in good faith of the law. This is the first good news our side has seen in probably years at this point.
Beginning to wonder if Chuck cares that his company has been draining 3-5%/day for a couple weeks now. This thing has fallen off a cliff a lot quicker than I thought possible. Zero buying pressure.
Also, inquiring minds would like to know why CBV continues to carry on with this lawsuit against Deidre/Carter when they claim to shareholders there is only $125 million to fight over - pretty well designed process they have here, creating that whole facade with the arbitration as if they actually believe in the $125 million number. And continue to spend likely $100s of thousands on lawyers to continue pursuing their "fair share". If the $125 million is real, after all parties receive their amount - there would not be enough left over to fight for between Carter/Leane/CBV to be worth the cost of continuing to fight legally.
But it would make sense for CBV to want shareholders to assume there is nothing to fight for at that $125 million so that they give up and walk away - thus leaving them one less party to fight over the likely much larger number of green bills on the table.
Not sure how these simple facts are not addressed for some.
It's a real delight to see that this Judge is actually doing his job and questioning Deidre/Carter's team of con-men on their reasoning for having everything sealed.
It's also hilarious that a party releases information in an arbitration (where there is no penalty for total lies) about a $125 million number - but yet demands all documents be sealed and heavily redacted. Does that not interest you? What say you Mr. Zomby?
Pretty coincidental that Cisco's tech assets jumped $1.3 billion in July 2020 for year end in June 2020 (quick reminder this case settled in June and the asset was "sold"). Right about that time - Raskin told CBV how much the settlement was(you know, again, where the document is redacted for the total amount). If you go back 2 years prior to this fiscal year end change - Cisco had zero changes to their tech asset on the books.
Inquiring minds want to know - why keep everything sealed if there is nothing to hide according to their $125 million claims in arbitration and their willingness to release this information recently. Pretty weird that a major player in this entire case suddenly added $1.3 billion worth of assets to their tech portfolio. I'll bet at this point that the $125 million is a total bogus number, or a global settlement number contingent upon the sale of the patent.
Care to debate?
What did Rader do that was wrong? Show me where Rader was ever disciplined for what happened? You cannot, because he did nothing wrong. He was sent information (by design, but claimed by sender to be an accident) and then sending party tried to pursue him legally thereafter for not complying with their orders LOL!
Seems to me the con group of lawyers are getting very antsy. I would be too when this Judge is actually doing his job and questioning why everything has been demanded to be sealed to this day. Why have everything sealed? NDA you say? Show the executed NDA with the MSOs, and please don't forge an agreement Mr. Brauerman.
The con group of lawyers actually just tried to misconstrue the entire circumstance with Rader with a fake story, better hope the Judge doesn't do his job on this one and actually read the filings. Looks like a real oopsie by that side - but I assume they will claim they made a mistake LOL!
This thing might be under $2 even before my original statement of Thanksgiving. Everyday it's the never ending drip lol. I guess at this point MMs have full control and we go where they take us - which will probably be as low as they can before any real buying pressure comes in so they can continue printing their dollars.
Good luck to us getting anywhere as we are approaching halftime through October with no updates.
If there are legitimate offers on the table then I would agree they need to be logical and consider taking it. This would cease the continued legal costs and they could focus their efforts 100% on developing the business further instead of using loads of their time assisting legal to get to a finish line. Not to mention the funds could be used for further expansion and upgrade to a big board instead of sitting in the mud down here in the OTC.
Who knows, and frankly, at this point who cares. This thing has really dumped to oblivion. Was hard pressed to think we would ever be trading under $2.50 again. Now I'm not sure this holds $2 through Thanksgiving. There is absolutely no momentum in this stock for what seems like months and everyday is a little more drip.
I find it hard to believe this is trading at a MC of $500 million or so given the things on tap for this company, but I guess the legal mess is expected to take many more years given the corrupt court system this country continues to showboat. It's really getting to the point where the growth on their current business model alone is worth more than it is trading for.
It's pretty crazy the market cap for NLST has fell to under $600 million now. I guess the market is just in a bad place and people might be moving their funds into ultra safe things at this time. Not to mention the MMs can do what they want with this right now as the levels of support fall so easily. They mash right through the bottom at will right now.
So the MMs held their short positions for over a year? LOL
Couldn't have said it any better.
Kudos to the "We should be talking about moving forward and not waiting forever for the odd chance the Dems forget their contributions to them which might move these forward." remark. This is spot on. Funny how this party continues to win with all of the serious problems we have in plain sight. Looking pretty bleak for the senate race this year as well.
Regardless, getting pretty frustrating to watch this thing take a nosedive day in and day out - clearly many are frustrated as the selling is relentless.
Be nice to get some sort of news on this at some point. It is hard to keep averaging down on something that has shown no signs of life in 5-6 months.
Problem is I don't think there is much to talk about at the moment. They don't normally comment much on current business activities outside of what is required for filings. This thing has been on a permanent drip everyday for the last couple of months. Granted the broader market is recently on the downs due to inflation concerns again, however this is getting pretty worrisome that this will get shorted/sold into oblivion. We now need a 100% run just to get back to prices several months ago. Looking very bleak here unfortunately - especially with the snail court system in the US that doesn't care to address the little guy's issues with the tech giants stealing everyone's patented tech.
Hard to watch, but at this point it's very hard to do anything besides watch as buying doesn't make much sense to me and my current portfolio until I see some positive action here, and selling doesn't make sense with the huge potential upside.
Good luck to all.
It is pretty comical that everyday now there is action pre market and it’s always under the previous close to try to get the ball rolling downhill early on day in and day out. Before pre-market action was very rare. Clear intentions to continue bashing this thing to oblivion while they can.
As the stock continues to drip to new 52 week lows every single day, I have to say the silence is frustrating. Regardless I feel selling at these basement prices is pretty comical as well. But the MMs will continue to apply pressure everyday because they are making out like bandits. This chart looks awesome for MMs right now. Getting pummeled through the floor every single day.
The only parties who have gotten anything out of all of this are those who have abused the other parties, not those who have flattered other parties. The only flattering Carter and Leane did was early on when they wanted a deal from the inventors. After that deal was in place, they essentially disappeared and now have abused their way to potentially a windfall and no repercussions. What have the inventors got to date by playing the flatter game besides abused for years and now looking at a fraction of the fair sum?
Hilarious stuff here.
Seems like it’s a never ending drip on this thing. No matter what news comes it gets pounded out right after. Pretty depressing for shareholders.
Cannot imagine how incompetent management is with this company LOL. Imagine letting an opportunity like COVID pass you by with your business model being selling disinfectant tech/product and have nothing to show for your company. Total failures.
I respectfully disagree. The more encouraging side of this is the operations and growth the company is currently experiencing. They have really taken off from the operational standpoint since the SK Hynix suit was closed out. The lawsuit could take much more time. Meanwhile the price dwindles with little to no PR activity while their fins have been very encouraging and they should put a spotlight on their achievements. My take is that they are hard at work and know where they are going and could care less about share price for now. Which is a bit unfair to current shareholders and they should keep that in mind as people don’t stay loyal forever.
There is definitely loyalty on this stock. You can tell it's being shorted and still it's a slow drip instead of huge downswing days (knock on wood). Hopefully they do something to refine their PR which would go a long way in my opinion.
There is a very clear reason why they continue to keep everything sealed, but leak this $125 million settlement garbage to the public. You really think they are stupid enough to risk another lawsuit from the defendant for leaking settlement details when there was a NDA in place. Not to mention why keep everything sealed at this point if your willing to announce the most important detail... the value of the settlement. It's pretty amazing this is even a debate.
And again, you don't pursue a lawsuit for $130 million+ from the 1 infringer you are currently at court with (who happens to be a small amount of infringement amongst the group of 13) to then accept $125 million globally. If Carter wanted and needed money so bad that he was willing to accept $125 million, he would have got that a long time ago. The defendant had zero leverage giving up on the first day of trial realizing they were going to get their butts fried. There were other powers that be here and Carter had to make sure he got everything he could to pay off all of those he owes in his honorable lifestyle.
On the contrary, do you have any proof the settlement was with anyone outside of Cox? I guess you wouldn't as none of us would and that is why we are pursuing all information and details. But yet for some reason many here continue telling us it is absurd to continue pursuing.
Another note: Do you have any proof there was not a separate agreement in place with any of the defendants including but not limited too: Arris, Cisco, Comcast, etc. A purchase agreement contingent upon the settlement agreement with Cox (covered by their providers indemnification clauses). This is very standard information that is missing, but yet we are told to stop looking LOL!
Single digit billions is more likely scenario here (settlement or award). Obviously award total could bloat due to 3x multiplier potential on willful infringement. However, being this company is currently sitting around $750 million MC that is huge upside just off of sheer cash award/settlement, not mentioning the huge revs to follow from royalties. You can see how NLST could easily be trading at $100+ in a hurry.
I don't think it can get much worse than the current manipulation. This thing gets pounded everyday for a couple more % points as there is little support on most days and then it just flies up 20-40% over a couple days to then bleed off for weeks again. It's pretty frustrating, but easy to hold knowing what is coming.
As explained prior - $125 million settlement makes zero sense. The $125 million settlement was likely a settlement with only Cox and then there was a separate agreement in place with the settlement to buy the patents. This is why the patents were "sold". Otherwise there would be ongoing royalties attached to the settlement. They wouldn't just settle for $125 million and allow these companies to continue using the tech for free. Not to mention $125 million is less than they were pursuing just for Cox ALONE. Cox is a tiny fraction of the problem in reference to Comcast. This is why there is a search for more information.
Again you don't get to the very end at trial where the defendant gave up on day 1 with valuation experts at trial showing at minimum $ billions in damages and then settle for $125 million. The defendant had zero leverage at that point and the defendant is loaded with cash troves. This is why there is a search for more information.
Agreed, unfortunately, as we know from some other ones you and I have been involved in, the legal system in this country is very inefficient both in quality and timeliness. It seems commonplace for slam dunk cases to get thrown out on technical nonsense or delay after delay with ease on the opposition's side. Hopefully NLST gets through this hurdle soon and really open up the throttle on the way up. A move to the NAS would be very big for the share price, but LT holders have a lot more to gain after that.
Let's be clear, their take was to finance Deidre and Billy's lifestyles as they awaited the bigger payout and screwing the inventors and shareholder's for everything.
I'm not to worried about exposure on NLST. That will take care of itself - the main hurdle is getting through these lawsuits and getting legal recognition at a broader level. Their product is currently unmatched and in high demand which gives their earning power limitless potential at the moment once companies stop stealing their product without paying for it.
NLST has real potential even on the OTC. The Naz just gives it that much more upside and more importantly STAYING POWER. People who are optimistic about this company (as easy as it is to be optimistic here) should be grateful that continue to get buying opps at these prices. I'm becoming very leveraged on this company which is normally a no-no, but this is a grand opportunity considering the position of NLST in it's market and potential windfalls from pending lawsuits.
Your remembering someone else bud. Unfortunate you continue throwing mud.
By the way... scooped another 2000 shares of NLST today. How many did you get?
You just contradicted yourself to render me wrong for no reason lol. Netlist total loss would be getting nothing and having spent tons of more money on legal costs to get to the nothing decision along with not being legally recognized and Google and Samsung continue using their patented tech without consequence or benefit to Netlist.
As stated this is a very unlikely scenario, but nonetheless a scenario. My post clearly states the company is growing rapidly regardless of those court proceedings. Fortunately some of us are realistically optimistic.
But of course due to the extreme short pressure on this stock, a little announcement about 1.2 million shares to be registered in reference to employee compensation - the stock price does dwindle.
I would say Netlist does need to do something more with PR in effort to stop the constant bleeding from tough short pressure on this ticker. There hasn't been a whole lot of direction given from the top lately. Only influence on this stock lately has been reaction to delays in court proceedings. Hopefully someone at the decision making level will realize it's important to communicate with shareholders in effort to maintain share price - which obviously matters as they are all shareholders themselves and also compensation packages include shares.
I fail to see downside in this ticker unless they face total loss in the Google suit. NLST has already shown it's potential with the continued YOY growth in revs and profit. They are clearly taking a more dominant position in their market as they are finally recognized legally after the SK Hynix battle. They turned SK Hynix from a enemy to a partner and have only grown tremendously since that partnership began. I think we can all agree Samsung is strung up by the balls right now and Google is on their way to the same position based on the most recent updates. Glad we continue to get these dream prices at a $750 million MC when this thing has upside of $10s of billions over the next 1-2 years.