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Please tell me what date exactly, should I come here and alert you that the trial date has been moved back again (or dismissed like the other cash grabs for lord emu of eGipped? I'll be sure to give you a notification, to help you see, even more, what gives...
"US patent law sets no maximum for damages. Those hoping for 1 million and 2 millions award, check VPLM's the preliminary 2017 estimates for VZ, T, AAPL.
VZ estimated damages were $2.4 Billion in 2017. Update the 2017 estimate by adding appx 10 years of damages to make it current, 2024"
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Above doesn't sound right to me. To begin with, the "preliminary estimates" were made before 2017, whenever the lawsuit was initiated. I don't remember offhand, exactly when that was but the reason I say it was before 2017 is because I'm about to show you the actual updated and recalculated estimates by Vplm which they posted in 2017. Point being that I dont think the updated figures came in the same year as the original figures with the original lawsuit. It could've been only a few months in between but I think it was longer than that. Regardless, in May of 2017 Vplm published the updated damages along with how they were determined. For Verizon and att they were far higher than the $2 bil you mentioned. Way way way more. And the total revision for the 4 or 5 companies being sued at the time, came to over $102 BILLION! And that was 7 yrs ago. It would/should be much higher now, all things considered and then, when incl all 60 or so named companies by Vplm, it becomes vividly apparent that the figure of a trillion dollars or so, that I have suggested for several yrs, as a figure I used to help me make my argument that the whole thing is one big phony farce......is very reasonable. Here are those 2017 revisions, excerpted from what the company posted back the...
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"The newly revised potential maximum total award to Voip-Pal to over one hundred two billion dollars ($102,570,231,360) .
Applying the updated damage award calculation method to Verizon and AT&T, the current damages sought from Verizon of more
than two billion dollars ($2,382,872,100) would in////crease to over seventeen billion dollars ($17,262,042,011) .
The current damages sought from AT&T would increase from more than one billion dollars ($1,804,795,745) to over thirteen billion
dollars ($13,540,863,431) .
Applying the maximum potential punitive damages, increases the maximum potential award from Verizon to more than sixty-nine
billion dollars ($69 billion) .
Applying the maximum potential punitive damages, increases the maximum potential award from AT&T to more than fifty-four billion
dollars ($54 billion) .
The complete monetization analyses and damage calculation methodologies are linked below." (I haven't included that here)
As noted many times..... Alleged nodal test results have never been revealed afaik. You can add to that something I've been claiming for years regards efficacy, which I've pointed out that patent "validity" does not include efficacy. I've pointed that out due to the apparent belief by so many that patent validity means it does what it claims, ie, is "all that". Sorry kids, but it doesn't. Here's a couple of key sentences regards this critical thing...
"Does a patent application have to prove its efficacy?
No, an inventor doesn't need to prove that an invention works to get a patent. Instead, they only need to show that they had the idea. However, the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) may request a working model if the invention is novel, non-obvious, or defies expectations. A working model can strengthen a patent claim and increase the chances of making money.
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People also ask
Do you have to prove something works to patent it?
An inventor need only show that he or she had the idea; the discovery that an invention is reduced to practice (i.e., actually works) is not required to prove the date or content of the invention.
Therefore, the entire question of whether or not a patent of this type can actually do what it claims to be able to do......would be IF the USPTO requested a working model. I've asked before and no one seems to know.....is if the USPTO did indeed ask Vplm for such a working model? My understanding is that they usually do not ask for. Thus, if they did not ask for, then you can now see and understand how patents can be obtained that make unsubstantiated claims, which in turn, allows A STORY to be SOLD!
I anticipate at that juncture, some would claim such claims lacking efficacy, would've been proven or disproven one way or the other in the IPR trials. To that I say ok...were any working models that could've demonstrated workability required/requested in this IPR trials? Debates between lawyers before the court, that dealt only with the patent verbiage, such as or similar to what happens in a markman hearing, would, in my opinion, not prove anything in terms of proof of workability, but rather, would simply bear out the meanings of this, that or the other verbiage used......and that......STILL.....proves nothing and only establishes the court accepted definitions of various terms. I see it as, in the end..........a major loophole, waiting for someone like lord emu of eGipped, to come along and exploit, or attempt to, just like he did in his BS Avatar claim. He learned some important lessons in that debacle, ie, that he was almost immediately shot down with proof by Cameron, thus he learned to present something big that was impossible to prove to be bogus.....unless the USPTO had the sense to require from vplm, a working model, which in turn, would require many working models since there are many different patents. So what it comes down to is if he was able to get over on the USPTO procecutions, by... how's that saying go? "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, you can baffle them with bullshit".......or something like that.
"Without a trial, how exactly is infringement confirmed or potential treble damages applied? Or doesn’t that matter to anyone?"
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Duh..... Obviously, with licensing or buying, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter with settlement either, because THAT'S what a settlement means, ie, bypass trial and settle on an agreed number..........um, unless I'm missing something... It's (settlement) same as admitting infringement but without weight of judge, jury, treble, etc.......but then again....WTFDIK?
"That would be an indication that Hudnell and Emil don't want to go to trial."
haha lolol..... That's exactly what I've been telling yall ever since I came to the realization that I was wrong about Vplm being an actual patents troll and how that is just a front for the real deal, that being a share selling sham. I began telling yall several yrs ago now, that vplm does not want nor has any intention of going to trial, which is what you have been seeing play out, while in the meantime the blind faithers are led to believe it's the alleged infringers, who are the sole trial delayers. I told you this would happen. In fact, I told you between 5 and 6 yrs ago that there was at least 10 more years of this Tom fool-u-ry left to play out... So as it is happening just as I predicted, you can expect at least another 4 to 5 yrs of it. I think I can guarantee it. It could conceivably go longer tho, considering what a madoff level masterpiece lord emu of eGipped and queen sellsalot have pulled off. I also have been warning 24 to 72 hrs ahead of time, in most cases, of the impending, incoming monkey wrenches that keep causing more delays and frustration. Undeniable. It's all in the posting record. The key to unlocking the rest of the sham was realizing the patent trolls they became APPARENTLY, was part of the front and a diversion from the real deal. Everything has been easy to predict ever since.
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"Please read the filing and you’ll notice the new witness isn’t available until the week after the August trial. Therefore, Hudnell is asking for a continuance, possibly after the November trial. This is the paragraph before “conclusion”. Thus, causing a “possible” delay."
HOW CONVENIENT!.... ISN'T THAT SPECIAL?
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" Let’s face it, the Alice win has the defendants on docket scared witless."
Bullshit! None of the defendants are scared. If they were, they could've easily ended by purchase or license or settle.
Monkey wrenches anyone? Lolol
What happened to vplm in the ptab that you want to prevent?
So, reading your post, that must mean that had you the money, you would immediately buy the patents, right?
Vplm........ Fake patent troll. They became an apparent patent troll when they threw all their promises and alleged goals under the bus around 10 yrs ago.
They then became what appeared to be the poster child of patent trolls. In hindsight, that was part of the scheme.....it was a front for the real Vplm, the fiat share printing/selling/insider ATM. Meanwhile, the big farce continues to play out, doing it's great job of diversion. Standby for incoming monkey wrenches. Get your helmets on...
Yeah right.... Like that's gonna happen..... Like they never would've thought of it if it wasn't for you.
Vplm has never advertized themselves because it's not part of the plan. The plan does not include selling company or patents.....it includes selling fiat shares hand over fist, day after day, year after year. It works perfectly! Don't forget to donate....
They are indeed keeping their eye on where the money is.....
....and making sure it goes straight to where they want it to go....
.....into their pockets. That won't change. That's the PLAN
Oh yeah....WACO....place to be....where the rocket Docket, lololol....turned out in truth to be a rock sitting on a dock, watching the ships go by.... and the the vaunted judge had to be admonished for stealing all the cases for himself. Go back to the beginning and read what the most assured expectations and beliefs were here for this judge. Yeah, Waco....place to be.....there was another groups who thought the same about Waco and also followed their guru cult leader there and look where that wound up. No correlation intended other than the obvious ones above but still, Waco...? Big deal... No, wait....its not a big deal.....its a 27 yr old pennystock worth a penny +. For more than a quarter century, this company, in all it's iterations, has tried to be a voip company.....and failed miserably.......until you realize it's latest iteration is not that goal at all, but just a FRONT for selling fiat shares. 25 yrs is a long time to fail but it hasn't failed, it has done very well for lord emu and partner and some bod members. All the rest, over the yrs have quit for little or no reason once, in my opinion, they realized the farce they were part of. Most were smart knowledgeable peeps but the patents have alway been shrouded in secrecy in terms of test results, failure to fold into Vplm voip platform as promised and the fact that as knowledgeable as they were they still couldn't tell if the patents actually worked as advertized because if they had the necessary knowledge to know it, they themselves could've developed the patents and written the code, as opposed to that most likely bs story about digi-phony-ca paying 20 voip engineers upwards of 17 or 18 million dollars to do so..........AND THEN........for no good reason, sell them for cheap to vplm.
The naivete' abounds....
Fact o matter is I've been promising you monkey wrenches for yrs now and I have delivered... I don't really me "I", it's just a figure of speech as it's not I that deliver them, it's Vplm. I say it tho, to demonstrate that I have this bitch figured out long ago and could fairly easily predict what would happen.......and have been doing so for many yrs. after seeing thru the mirage. Doesn't matter if you belive me or not or think it's crazy or stupid or lies or. any of the myriad of rude crude and disrespectful often made by those who don't know the point and purpose of the board and/or don't have good social skills so they come here where those that run this joke of a board, often allow anything goes and do so more than ever before because they are failing and need more advertising so they allow most anything nowadays to boost the ads and clicks. I personally saw one of them (so called admins) say exactly that to ppl who question the tactics of the newest deal over on the QA board. Couldn't believe it at 1st but the more I thought about the way things go here, it made more and more sense. Anyway, back to my ability to call, sometimes more vaguely, sometimes more specifically, whats about to happen and I do so on a regular basis and it's very easy to check the validity of that by simply checking the board posting history. The further back you go and if you read fwd without making gaps, the more you see the predictions of monkey wrenches coming true over and over. The most significant aspect is how COMPLETELY and TOTALLY the monkey wrenches that do come, without fail, WERE UNEXPECTED and NEVER SPOKEN OF, in terms of lots of specific things. For example, no one has ever thought or predicted that there would be multiple so called settlements which are more ghost settlements comprised of nothing as far as we are concerned because we are on a need to know basis and lord emu of eGipped decrees that we dont need to know anything EXCEPT HIS POLLYANNA WORDS IN PRs, eZINES, fake OP-EDS, FAKE CONFERENCE CALLS (infomercials), TV SPOTS, ETC, WHERE HE KEEPS FOR YRS TELLING YOU HOW GREAT VPLM IS, THE PATENTS THAT IS, AND HOW FIDUCIARY HE IS (in spite of having been found guilty of the opposite by a jury of his peers), AND HOW ALL YOU NEED, YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR...IS PATIENCE.......YOU KNOW....LIKE THE PATIENCE HE AND QUEEN SELLSALOT HAVE IN SELLING SELLING SELLING....LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW......BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT NO TOMORROW IS CONTINUOUSLY ON HAND AND COULD COME LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT.
So what you read is everybody and their uncle and mandrake and Carnac and the rest of the ridiculousness that ALWAYS TURNS OUT TO BE WRONG WITHOUT FAIL...... starts predicting something big about to happen and the the excitement builds and you become so sure of the good about to come and then I call monkeys wrenches and what happen?.........stupid secret dismissals with no explanation no PRs no nothing including no improvement in the pps. That's happened several times now. I always know it's gonna happen because actual trials are not what is wanted by either side. And I have specifically posted that before. Trials are only desired when the charges are based on a truthful foundation of what the company is really about. It's not about patents or infringement and the coming events will continue to bear that out. It's a freaking big, mean, green, share printing, share selling, personal ATM machine and AS SUCH, no way lord emu and cohortage want want it to end. It has worked like a charm for them and the cabal for many yrs now and they hope it will continue to support their lifestyle. They feel very entitled but don't feel same about you.
If good stuff was on tap, they would at least wait for the price to go up. They actually did do that in recent days with lots of renewed share selling as the price was up a little.
That's another thing Ive been able to predict with a perfect record for years, that being the price always comes back down to same or lower levels.. It never maintains or keeps rising like you would expect with the bs claims of billions and billions in value and damages etc. This time over the past week or so, the spike up was very limited and the fall back is happening a little slower than usual but it's still same ol same ol. And due to the boy who cried wolf syndrome, it has become more and more difficult for news or empty speculation to drive it up..
Now the next big thing is July. Let's see what happens. PLEASE MAKE ME BE WRONG! PLEASE GIVE UP MY 50 CENT.
Kinda reminds one of what he did and the outcome in his 2 avatar court incursions... Except this time he's making sure he gets a payoff before disappearing...
As usual, the cult followers, of course and again....think this ("settlement") pickpocketing is a good thing. Lord emu thanks you again and again and again for such generous donations to his Vplm go fund me page and the lifestyle you gift him and his queen sellsalot with. He rests easy knowing how well he's got you wrapped around his little finger. And they both know they'll continue to collect in this way for some time more, by continuing to have known>88 these fake settlements, so don't be surprised as it keeps rinsing and repeating.. How many times so far? This is how I see it and it's my opinion. If you don't like it, feel free to bitch, holler and complain...until the cows come home or Vplm gets shuttered.
Hahahaha.... You can forget that filing stuff. Vplm has a major habit of not filing when they should or never unless they are forced to and then it's often years. I think the emus motto is: "we don't need no stinkin filings". They don't foget to sell shares like there's no tomorrow tho. How can a settlement be a "non event"…??? What a shifty joint this is... Yall hand it to them on a silver matter.
Guess I'll have to wait til 2morrow to find and post some of my historicsl Vplm notes. Some are 25 yrs old... Ignorance will dispute regardless... Guaranteed.
You should be included in my last post about doing exactly what they comain about. Here's to your point and is only a tiny example of you having committed what you complain about. Many more available...
129830, 129804, 129681, 128696 (where you haven't a clue what you or I was talking about, but act like you do), 127962 (like you sometimes do?)
In any event, have you heard the rumor going around that vplm has won the gold medal in the old farts downhill slolam in "failures in fiduciary duty" AND "unjust personal enrichment"? Correction: they indeed have captured the gold! Go team Vplm!
Congratulations on the finest example of committing each and every negative you whined about in real time, as it was written, that I've seen in a long time. Don't get me wrong....you are not the only one who has derived such a talent here, but it's definitely the finest example I've seen this week.....month......year?
I mean the way you so deftly nailed ea and every one at the same time of typing it, is uncanny and funnier than hell! Thus I must tip my hat and thank you for the good laffs. Laughs are invaluable and priceless things so I hope you are able to keep up this service. No whining from me, all you. I'm happy. It's one, but certainly not the only, reason I come here......lolol hahaha.... and ppl want to know why. Too funny.
Incidently, has anyone mentioned lately that vplm is also a great example..........of being a front......an eminence front......its a put on! Glad you could come and join the party, but can't help but wonder why you shot your self in the foot and then put foot in mouth?
If Vplm was still in the casting business, I'd have them make up a small trophy for your awesome example of cutting nose to spite face. A true shining example.
Meanwhile, don't look now but your your favorite daytime soap opera, Vplm, aka "as the stomach turns", is busy picking your pocket.
I do not get to see it but I was told some less than knowledgeable goof disputes my well earned knowledge as to the history of 27 yr old Vplm so I will have to school not him/her, but those who may've seen their misinformation and know better in the future who slings the bs. I know this stuff due to my deep DD in the past about this company, and I can say that vplm (incl it's former names) was not a modeling or talent company or whatever was said. (I know it was something to that effect). It was a casting company that made toys (maybe the ignorace came from thinking casting was a casting couch or something, DUH). In fact the original name had the the word casting in it, but they also were already in the beginning, involving themselves with voip services. But I will try to dig up my DD notes from that time so as to post the facts better than just my memory. Everything I have posted as in a fact form, on this board has always been backed up and supported by documentation, either alongside the posts or waiting in the wings in my files. I have never made up anything and no one has ever been able to show different since it doesn't exist. Oh sure there's a couple nasty, rude, disrespectfuls, you know who they are, who have tried and have posted pure bullshit lies or twists of things I've said and most of them are merely copycats, posting things they nothing of except were put upon by you know who, to do so. They are followers who can't even get there facts straight yet have reposted the same bs many times as tho it's true, when it isn't and is easy to refute. But I have done so in the past and don't keep refuting the same dumb things. If readers want to blindly accept the bs and not ask for proof, then they deserve to exist in an illusionary world they live in. Not my problem. But when something new comes up, I'm happy to refute and show the facts once anyway. I forget what I was told but something about Vplm being a modeling agency or a talent agency. I have documentation, from the time, that speaks to what the company was into and I've never seen anything to do with modeling or talent scouting or whatever. If it exists, love to see it. I can, however, surmise how some dummy with no discernment skills could have seen something about modeling and/or the casting of toys and their limited mind translate that to talent scouting or casting couching, lol. I have tons and tons of notes and documents relating to vplm history and I may not be able to dig up all of it in a timely manner but I'll try to find at least some parts I can post quickly that show not only was Vplm making toys and such but that my contention they were into voip services pretty much from the beginning, is correct and based on facts documented. And that this joker is plain full of crap and has zero knowledge about Vplm history which began in 1997.
That was pretty funny. You gave a factual correction straight from their website and current to at least last few months. Indisputably making the original posted crap to be flotsam and jetsam. Let me go collate the apologies....oh wait.......there are none....only the desperate insistence you're wrong. Happens to me several x per day. It's great entertainment especially when the company never has anything good to report except crap and fluff disguised as good stuff. By the way, isn't 12 mil way more than 2 or 3 magnitudes? Are magnitudes linear or logarithmic? I thought it was linear like 2, 4, 6, 8 etc. but I never looked into what it means exactly. Sounds like maybe I had it wrong... Sounded like the number of emoyees was inflated by roughly 60x? small mistake...lol
"I wonder how you managed to find seven like-minded souls to like the post without even bothering to check if it was true or not?"
Just SHOWS-TO-GO-YA..........how many on vplm msg board....find it so convenient.......to go "where the weather suits their clothes"....lolol!
(many of whom hold trophy's in bandwagon jumping on...) hahaha
Valid yet still worthless... What a revoltin development that is...
These so called settlements are Vplm taking a what are essentially bribes to dismiss, take some cash and use it to buy more half cent shares to sell later at double, triple, whatever, profits. The lord emu and emette go fund me page, is justa raking in the cash for their well known "self enrichments". It works smoothe as butter. As predicted, the trials don't happen cuz they don't want trials, they want moolah! Lol! Stay tuned for more mutually agreed upon dismissals. How many is that so far. Comedy-tragedy-comedy-tragedy-comedy...
Huawei........ There ya go kids, another sellout/cop out... Every day their pickin your pockets and giving more and more of the main deal away. Yipee! How quaint.. It instills record confidence, eh? Let's give em a round of applause... The mirage is fading...fadi.. fad....fa..
Can you possibly be that inept? Vplm is 27 yrs old, has been in the voip biz pretty much from the beginning FYI and yes, almost all of their promises and predictions have been a bust. Duh...
I kind of wondered about that claim myself but couldn't care less so didn't bother to fact check cuz it doesn't and won't mean anything anyway regardless of the numbers. It didn't sound right tho. They must be tiny compared to Samsung and Apple, no?
With a fan club.....so infatuated and preoccupied with me it's no wonder that vplm has so many shareholders who don't have a clue and are so far underwater. Vplm breeds them and has ever since the beginning of the lies they have told. Instead of focusing Vplm, they focus on my every word. A captive audience, lol. I'll keep posting about the company Vplm and they will keep posting about me... Too funny!
Vplm msg board is a reflection of the farce Vplm is. Vplm patents are worthless and their shares are almost as worthless at a little over a penny. Just like little kids believe in Santa Claus, so too are many of the subjects of cult leader lord emu of eGipped and his trusty share selling sidekicks. He could come right out an admit the fakery and they would still pay homage.
All the promises and predictions have been wrong for 27 yrs. I haven't been wrong about them yet but I wish I was. I hope my wish comes true but not holding my breath on that one. Meanwhile someone needs to sell the peanut gallery some new material.
Where's my 50 cents? No, I'm not going to lower it, even tho cost was far below that and then became 0 cost. Anyway, can't wait till July when the monkey wrenches will be flying like the Leonid meteor shower...
Maybe same reasons you do...
I don't claim to be a shareholder. I am a shareholder but it doesn't matter in the tiniest whether anyone believes it or not. Why would I care about that? The only reason I've stated it is some accuse me of not being one. Bottom line is it doesn't matter if someone here is a shareholdero or not when you come right down to it becsuse it's not a requirement to be here. So just for the s&g's, let's say I'm not a shareholder or any other poster isn't.. So what? What would that prove? I'll tell you what it proves... It proves that you mistakenly think that the veracity of a posters beliefs, ideas, opinions, conclusions, could only be valid if they were a shareholder but if they aren't, there's no possible reason for them to be here unless they are a paid trasher or a shorter or who knows what other fantasies brew in your mind? The FACT of the matter is wrong or right ideas are not predicated upon shares ownership, just like bought and paid for politicians quotes and deeds are worth only what and how much they were paid. I have supported everything I've said here with logic, facts, common sense, balance and fairness.
No one forces you to read......except you.
By the way, I almost forgot... Welcome to my fan club! You have 13 total posts and 10 of them are about me and the others about someone else. Zero about the company which is what this board is for. Would you like to buy some autographed 8x10s?
That's very INTELLIGENT of YOU to use this board to insult someone's intelligence. I guess it's the best you've got...
I think it was you or someone who recently said the same thing about my reason for being con on Vplm, by wrongly assigning YOURS, NOT MINE.....assumption that my opinions/conclusions are based on the idea that things are gonna happen cuz they haven't happened yet. I've never posited such a lazy, silly idea, to stand on its own. My conclusions are well documented to connect many different dots. If you read them, you wouldn't make such lazy and false accusations. That said, 27 yrs of nothing certainly does say something by itself......and it's been saying the same rhetorical propaganda for the entire time, ie, "IT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN".... "IT'S IMMINENT"......S&P 500 AND OTHERS ARE FALLING OVER THEMSELVES TO GET OR LICENSE OUR PATENTS!......"VPLM IS FOLDING THE TECHNOLOGY INTO ITS OWN VOIP SERVICE PROVIDER PLATFORM"....... "VPLM WILL IMMEDIATELY Begin COLLECTING UP TO $200 MILLION PER YEAR IN ROYALTIES!".........etc etc etc.
Maybe you didn't know these things said by Vplm? Or maybe you did know but you so easily forget, that they need to be repeated and repeated and repeated over and over. There's much more but you're already to overloaded with facts to remember. That's ok, you can just stick with "go Vplm".....that's pretty intelligent......oh shit, wait, someone else has that one. How bout "I think we can! I think we can! I think we can!
No, it's a simple matter of delegating.. The shares are currently (not for long) worth .017. The patents are worth nothing. No one will buy them ever since they were created (except of course digi-phony-ca and Vplm). Not even license.. That is the true and undeniable test of value, ie, whether or not a product on the market, in this case, for many years...can sell OR NOT. VPLM is a definite OR NOT! The fact o matter is Vplm sells shares not patents. They couldn't sell a patent to a shoe leather company... Vplm is in the shares business and always has been. The patents, incl 573 ipr wins are nothing more than a story, a front to bounce off. Do you want to buy any Vplm patents?? Shareholders own shares not patents.
The shares are worth what they buy and sell for but the patents themselves are worthless. They have proven that by never having made a dime since they were created. The only thing that's made money IS THE BULLSHIT STORY that you believe in.
Vplm creates shares out of thin air. It's called fiat shares. They are backed by zippo. Then they tell the shareholders and/or potential shareholders, big whopper stories to get them believing and buying. They also have taken many shares for themselves and sell them at great profits. That's known as the insider personal ATM.
The patents have no value whatsoever and that's why no one has ever bought them or licensed or settled in the near 20 yrs since they were allegedly created at a cost of 17 or 18 million dollars. The only entities who ever saw any value in them was digi-phony-ca and Vplm, who got rid of them as soon as they got them, realizing what a hot potato they were except Vplm hasn't been able to off them because that's not their true goal anyway. Their goal is to keep working the story and selling shares. They have done amazingly well at that.
It's both amazing and uncanny, how many if you lie, twist and mislead about what I've said. I've never said I used to be a shareholder, I've always said I am a shareholder. Obviously, you either don't comprehend too well or you don't even read and just rely on what others tell you.. Or, you simply choose to lie. I think you're guilty of all of them whenever your lips are moving, so to speak. I also never said I made huge profits. 1st I recouped my on paper losses, then made a good profit and I also used the money for things I can show for it, so I did good and had plenty left over. Your above statements are as bogus as Vplm is. Then, you go on to say that after I made my profits, I stuck around to troll others who want to do the same. Lololol.....omg, where is the logic in that? That's truly ludicrous thinking. You don't know how to think straight thus you come up with utterly ridiculous scenarios like that. What would I have to gain to turn my losses around and make good, which I most certainly did do....and then decide the thing to do next is to hang around for years and try to stop others from doing the same! Wow...! How backwards can thinking be? Apparently, you're expanding the envelope. I get alot of entertainment here. It's one of my reasons to be here, but that kind of thinking sounds like drain bamage... And then, as if that's not crazy enough, you top it off with the mommy recognition thing... Its a good thing that ppl like you step up and show the world what you're about. The dumbing down of America (as well as other places) is very very real.
And will you apologize for totally misquoting me and misleading others? Of course not cuz that's the kinda guy you are... But considering who the cult leader is, ie, lord emu of eGipped and the lies and misdirection he and other bod have promulagated, and how good he's been about it, it's not surprising the type of following he's garnered, so there's that.
VPLM IS A MIRAGE... THE CLOSER YOU GET, THE MORE IT WILL FADE AWAY...
VPLM PROVES THE FACT THAT NOTHING IS REALLY SOLID...SOLID IS JUST AN ILLUSION.
Right, all I'm saying is the trials are not about validation, they are solely about infringement. And strangely enough, I think it's possible to show infringement even if the patent is a dud and can't do what it claims. If it can be shown, regardless of that possibility, that the defendant is indeed using the patented technology, then he still could be found to be infringement. That's my opinion, my guess because it's logical. But I'm not a lawyer or judge. It's an interesting concept. The trials are to show infringement. So what if infringement can be shown and later, it can also be shown that the patent doesn't actually accomplish its stated abilities? Would that automatically invalidate the patent and reverse the infringement ruling? I doubt it. And what if an infringement ruling is made "with predudice"?? Whatever the case may be, it should be interesting. But hey, it looks more and more every day that ea case will have a settlement similar to the Amazon case, ie, another JOKE ON THE SHAREHOLDERS WHO WILL BE PISSED ON.
First, you saying "as you claim".... Implies you don't believe what I say, so no point in answering your questions, now is there? Duh.
2nd, "cutting nose off to spite face" is dumb assumption. Easy to show why.. I am a long shareholder and I'm far from stupid, so why would I share my sentiments. You figure it out. I already know why and like I said, no point in explaining anything to those who don't believe you. That would be dumb. I'll say this though... Anyone who believes that what peeps say, in general, on this msg board.....greatly affects the pps, well..... I think that's dumb....in general, unless the person who speaks his mind here has very good points and info that is factual and believable and important. In that case, then yes, there's gonna possibly be some effect. But by the same token, if it's pro sentiments posted and they are convincing enough, then same applies to pro or con posts. And......there are far more pro posts than my negative ones so the net effect would be to drive price up. BOOM! And you don't hear me whining daily about THEM, now do you? No, you don't. So that leaves you deep in the dust where you don't know why I post my sentiments AND I am not doing a thing to the price which is easy to see. That said, if I ever cause someone to not buy into this ripoff debacle, then I did good. But that has never been my purpose. That thought has never crossed my mind. I have no desire to cause anyone to buy or sell any stock, especially not this one. I've stated that numerous times. It's against my better judgment to give ANY buy/sell advice. Afaic, that's wholly the decision of the potential buyer/seller, period.
So as you can see (well, you can't see because you're blinded by your disbelief in what I say, so for the sake of truth in spite of you...), you're batting 1,000. Minus 1,000, that is. And don't look now but it does indeed make sense, just not to you. I can only wonder, if to you, it doesn't make sense, then you must have SOME kind of conclusion... Hmmm... what could it be? Must be that overused, worn out and lowbrow idea that I'm a paid shill or something along those lines. Sorry, not the case. But what if I was? So what? Would that change my right to be here and say what I will? Of course it wouldn't because this board is not your pollyanna playground. It's not expressly for cheerleaders. It's not even for shareholders only. It's for anyone who for any reason wants to come here and express themselves or share what they believe to be useful info or to be pro or con.......as long as IT'S ABOUT THE COMPANY. And I post about the company. You are posting about me. I have backed up everything I've had to say about Vplm with whatever proofs, beliefs, connected dots, opinions, that I have, rather than just throwing them out there. And I've also said many times that 8 could be wrong and hope I am WAY more than right, since I'm long. In fact I have zero hope that I'm right, I simply call it the way I see it. And I see very straight.
Lastly, I have previously on many occasions, posted ALL the reasons I here and post here. Not my fault if you don't believe. I'm not here to make anyone believe anything. I'm here merely to express my thoughts. Don't like it? Don't read it. Pretty simple.
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Reading your posts, it not surprising you are so confused, even though I have liberally explained everything many times. I would ask you why you feel it's your business to ask me why I spend any certain amount of time here (as though one needs to explain that in the 1st place). I'd add to that I find you to be wasting your time here. As for me, you might explain why I shouldn't be here. By the way, I'm glad that I manage what time I spend on this, that or the other? Maybe you, on the other hand, choose to have other ppl choose for you. Obviously I choose to spend my time because I want to. I'm also a shareholder. I would love to hear your honest explanation why you have a problem with me being here.
If you need to question whether or not I'm fully negative about the company, I'd say you're not paying much attention.
I don't think truly smart investors would ever get heavily invested in otc pennystocks, esp not one with this record.
I got involved with many pennystocks. The vast majority were losers. Vplm has been a 27 yr loser. The ceo has been a past loser on numerous counts. All past bod, who were not part of the shenanigans, most likely, all left, most without a reason or good reasons. The only one left was the biggest liar ever in vplm, ie Chang. The company has put out so many lies and half truths and misleading overall, the count is long lost. Their avg pps over the 15 to 20 yrs with price quotes online, is about 1 or 2 cents at best. They told the biggest lies imaginable starting with the beginning of the acquisition, in order to aquire many shareholders and sell them many shares to kick off the big farce of the past 12 or 13 yrs. They had nothing but trouble pre acquisition when they were allegedly a voip service provider and all their partners in that endeavor accused them of being a ripoff in one way or another. That can all be found here in the history. They've never made a dime selling product as far as I know, certainly not in the past 15 yrs or so. Above are all docuemented facts. There is miles more to the list... They have never been able to maintain any price jumps which are ALL ALWAYS followed by dropping back down. Does not sound like a winner. The market knows.
Patent validity is not in question. The patents are valid. They were valid when they became patents. There have been numerous challenges to that validity and all those challenges were lost, therefore the patents always have been and still are valid. Patent validity is not the issue. Patents can be legally valid, yet not have any value, nor be useful in the real world, nor be necessary to the operation of voip. Also, in the past, many valid patents have later found to be invalid by virtue of information not previously found or brought up.
Additionally, the cases are not about patent validity, they are about infringement. Whether or not the companies are using the same technology that the patents contain in their voip products. To your point, it's possible the patents may, at some point still be found to be invalid in some way, but I don't know if legally, that would automatically cause a loss of the case for Vplm because there still might be infringement happening. In other words, just because part of a patent is found to be invalid at some point, currently oes that mean it can't be infringed on regardless? I don't know. It's complex. My point is the patents are all currently valid but that does not give them any value nor does it mean any are being infringed upon. So if the alleged infringers know this and the market know it, then of course there's not a high pps. More importantly, if the alleged infringers knew the patents were not only valid but also were ALL THAT in terms of what vplm has claimed for them in terms of being foundational and necessary to the very operation of voip.......THEN........THERE IS NO WAY IN THIS WORLD THAT THEY WOULD RISK ALL THEY ARE RISKING BY NOT LICENSING, SETTLING OR BUYING THE PATENTS AND/OR WAITING AND WAITING, AS THE LONGER THEY WAIT, THE MORE THE DAMAGES WILL BE PLUS THEY WILL LOSE THEIR PRODUCT AND LOSE THEIR ABILITY TO COLLECT THEIR OWN DAMAGES. So it's actually more than merely risky, it's very close to an inevitable certainty that the above mentioned things will befall them. Therefore, it is my contention, via inference, that they must know that the patents are not ALL THAT and that they are not infringing. If that was the case, then ppl ask the valid question of the why do they delay and fight in court. I believe that's because when you're charged you must put up a defense so as not to be found guilty by default. Also because even tho they feel they are innocent, it's not unusual for judges or juries to find for or against litigants IN ERROR or another factor is concerns about appeals. So there do seem to me to be reasons to fight even if you know your innocent.
Another falsity spread by out fearless leader with a handful of cult followers is...... He managed to get ALL the online stock news sites to list him as the founder of Vplm......which of course he most certainly is not! I think he says it on Vplm site as well. Blatant lie but I know, I know, it's ok, no biggie, he's perfectly within his rights to lie like a rug........you know why?
Because you allow him to thus encourage him to and so he knows he has some wrapped around his finger and they will support him 100% no matter what he does or says........just like someone else you all know...
"Anything "material" should be made public."
Oh, like Amazon, right?
To be honest, SF, I'm not sure where you got the "billions and billions of ongoing infringements the emu has talked about"... I'm fully aware of the billions and billions of dollars in damages alone, that they have not only spoken of but they gave specific damages amounts in line with that twice now. I don't remember the year, but their 1st published damages was put out when they sued the 1st handful of company's. It was 4 or 5 companies I think and using that 1st metric/formula, I believe it came to approx $12 bil in damages sued for. Around that time, I think prior, they had named approx 60 companies as infringing. Quick basic math is easily many billions and billion, in the company's own words. Years later however, they decided to revamp the metrics used for figuring damages. That was around 2017 or 18. I recently posted those figures direct from Vplm published PRs. In that revision, again around 4 or 5 company's were used and this time it came to roughly $102 bil. Multiply that against the 60 or so companies and I know there exists more than 60 sizable voip service providers, of which Vplm stated that ALL voip service providers were automatically infringers......and you can see why some time ago I attributed the company's alleged value just in damages, to be upwards of a trillion bucks... It was very realistic using vplm's own published numbers and if you consider that those numbers were from 6 or 7 years ago, and consider all the inflation since, those numbers would be even higher. If you sliced it by 90%, it would still be billions and billions. The irony is Carl Sagan never said that, BUT VPLM DID!
Now, if you consider all the alleged infringers and the number of phones they sell with allegedly infringing abilities and crunch the numbers, not hard to see how that would add up to billions and billions of ongoing infringements, but I never heard Vplm put it in those terms. If they did, when, where? It goes without saying anyway, as shown above. It's all a bunch of silliness anyway. It's like how you could be dying of thirst and be drawn to a desert mirage showing a pool of water. It's all good til you get there...
As to your pharma analogy, it could very well be far more than just an analogy... Lord Emu of eGipped has stated many times that he founded or confounded a cancer research company in Germany years ago, still in operation according to him. He has given the name of the company which escapes me at the moment, but when he 1st noted it, I did a very extensive search for anything about this biomedical research company. I really searched hard, hi and lo for it, even specific Germany only searches. I could never find a single word naming or about this alleged company. What if someone had important info for them or wanted to make a donation. It does not appear to exist, then or now. In my research, I did find an American cancer research company of THE EXACT SAME NAME but they have no affiliation with the emu. I have asked for anyone who has any info regarding the mere existence of this company to let me know. Crickets... I just remembered the name.. It's Thorne biomedical. So happens that Thorne is a very famous name in American cancer research. So that's just one more thing to add to the list of emu failures, fantasies and schemes. The list is real, but some as yet unproven and significantly long.
The name should be changed to VPLMW aka voip pal monkey wrenches.