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Does anyone else have pacer who can post the ATVI response-thx!
just saw that jerz thanks, volume starting to move nicely there.
Hopefully this is something that isn't "secret." Not sure how much more secret stuff I can take
He posted essentially the exact same message on the VRNG board this morning. Don't even bother with this guy.
They said they did not need to depose him at the time but may elect to later as I recall. JJ should slam them on this motion but he may not.
Here is my no holds barred opinion. The subject matter is as dry as _____ and you can get pretty creative in that blank. Having said that, it is precisely this kind of krapp that people overlook (like me) and then lose money. I think Ed knows this material is hard to swallow but he must have some opinion that there will be some people who do understand this stuff reading it. Maybe they are people with more money than me
Can't see how anyone could have gotten through it all yet. I'm still reading!
I just wish the friggin thing would come out, geez. The volume seems super low and maybe people won't buy until they see that he remains positive. Patent Plays over on SA did an about face on VRNG because of GOOG's so called workaround so anything's possible.
Give it up dude...every post you make is about it going down or buying lower. This biotch is about to light a fuse-I can feel it!
thanks Virgo. After reading all the way through I think there is no way JJ grants that. GOOG looks desperate at the end of the email chain too...if we can't have another two month will you at least give us two weeks! Those guys are pure sleeze. Hope JJ crushes them!!
JJ what does your experience tell you here? Are we in for yet another delay? And do we see an opposition motion from VRNG tonight?
Have to be a stooge to sell here. This thing looks like it could go to .75 really quick.
I just went back and read what he wrote and he says soon after-probably the following week. JMO
Wow. Just grabbing some coffee CB. This is some awesome digging by you. Good stuff!!!
Can't wait to see it CB!
No doubt about that Spanky-hope we see it!
I hear ya-just one person's opinion. I don't believe in FU's either:)
Agree with that Spanky-I think the $5 comes in with other would be defendants. No reason for him to seel right now unless he got his price!
I think it is a pretty reasonable theory. My issue with Newbie is that he attacks so many others with reasonable theories also. There are a ton of "shoot first" commentators on the VFF site which gets unappealing and predictable after a while. Most of them trash the commentary on this board. JMO
No the 15th! The only thing that made me think the ruling would be swift is the Judge saying that after the motions were in they would be ripe for judicial interpretation or some such thing. Anyway, it sounded like he was ready to get on with it but maybe you're right. This whole process sucks-and to think they are called the rocket docket.
redux, since VRNG's answer to Google's brief on RR is due April 25th do you think we hear from JJ in April?
I don't think they are thinking to buy them out entirely-maybe the patents though. MSFT knows that VRNG is going to at least get 3.5% so I can't see what there is to wait for. They can base their settlement on 3.5% now but if the RR is greater they will have to pay more. Also, what if GOOG surprises everyone and makes an offer to buy the patents. MSFT is then left out. The GOOG appeal may work as a cover to make MSFT believe they aren't doing anything. This whole thing is a game of thieves believe me. No one can trust anyone.
These appeals are about positioning. They don't by any means preclude a settlement. You are also missing that Microsoft could settle at any time just to get this over with. Since that was not expected this early it would be a significant shot in the arm to Vringo. If VRNG gets a bigger RR and agrees to drop their appeal GOOG might drop theirs and settle. No one knows what is coming.
I agree and the folks over on Stocktwits are giving that article credit for bringing this back up so quickly today. The guy is not infallible but my money (literally) is on him in this case.
Hey Joe, I'm assuming you mean something learned from outside of the company that would impact it not something gleaned as an insider, no? It could still be material just not inside info. Is this something that you expect will be made public or at least magnified for the rest of us at some point soon? Thanks.
MORON ALERT: The conversion price was set in the notes. Nice try though! Come back another day when you want to try crazy again!
ok. you mean you think it will actually go down some more? thx.
yeah i get that.
alright, thanks. i'm just kind of pissed at how long it is taking-sheesh
hey bhonda are you following the vrng case much? if so do you have a sense when the damn judge will rule??
Thanks for posting that MountainMom & welcome aboard! I think he's right that we will see a groundswell of movement when the VRNG case is done. People have to be factoring that in now-or at least one would think!
thanks XLT!
XLT is there a basis of comparison on any short squeeze that you have seen before that this could be like? If we get positive news and lets say the stock was going to double from here anyway what more fuel could a squeeze with this many short shares yield? I know it is not an exact science just curious as to your gut instinct. Thnaks
If that happens JJ shorts are screwed. It will gap up and they will be racing to cover 16M shares. Some people may understand the impact better than me but lets say the stock was going to gap up to mid 5's and climb to $6-7 anyway. The squeeze could take it well past $10 it seems. Anyone who understands the impact of a potential squeeze better please comment. thx
That is sweet but how do you know that Celtics?
ok that i what i thought but you have more experience than me so i have to check myself and make sure i'm not crazy:)
Bhonda wouldn't it make sense for someone with real $$$ to jump in at this level and buy a ton in the open market? Maybe that is naive but if .35 is sort of the floor and these big dudes won't make real money until it is well over .75-or at least the kind of money they would want to make on something like this, doesn't it make sense that we would see a flurry of activity at these levels??
Hey Celtics,
Isn't like 80% of the conversion at .50 & .75? Can't even believe it is down here. This seems like a ripe time for Dr. Frost and his cronies to buy shares on the open market, no?
I agree with that postyle. I just went back and read that post you were referring to on his blog. He was discussing the nature of multiples in relation to some other stocks in the space plus added in the Nokia Patents and pretty clearly said he could see a value in the future of___. I have not seen him throw around rediculous or unfounded numbers that he wasn't at least basing something on as a reference. He may not be an analyst in the sense of a Cramer or someone like that but those people are tools and all out for themself. I got into VRNG deep cause of him and WDDD deeper and even though I can't put my figer on it there is just something trustworthy about the guy. I think a lot of people will be thankful to him (me in particular) if the Judge rules as he says. Again JMO and I don't mean to cause any arguments cause not everyone has to agree.
Serious question for Spanky or Celtics or Smitter, Bhonda, etc. What factors need to be in place for this to have a one or two day movement that takes this first over .50 and then a big push from there, maybe to .60-.65? since the financing has a first warrant conversion at .50 those dudes don't want it sagging down here for long, right? I really don't have a firm grasp on this and it seems some others here do. I just like the story so far!!!